Wayne Allen Root = Sociopath, Bob Barr = Little Napoleon, My Days at Freedom Fest
For those of you who do not know, each year an econ professor Mark Skousen from Florida puts on an event that he calls "freedom fest". Its billed as a Conservative / Libertarian / Investment event that brings together a lot of different voices and authors and give you and I the chance to mingle with these guys & gals, ask questions and listen to various debates. www.freedomfest.com
The professionalism of the production of this event gets better every year. The speakers bring as much integrity and honesty as they can muster. Peter Schiff, was there. You may know him from TV talking about Gold, the need to get out of the dollar and into foriegn stocks and even having many good words to say about Ron Paul. Then there was former presidential canidate and 15% Taxer Steve Forbes. There was the wonderful libertarian professor David Friedman (son of Milton Friedman) and even Penn of Penn and Teller fame. There were several big name libertarians there from various think tanks, and my favorites, Charles Murray and Michael Shermer where there. Christopher Hitchens also was there. Book sellers such as Laisse Faire books does a great business selling Ron Paul books, revolution books and other libertarian oriented books. For all of us in the freedom movement, if you were not out marching with Ron Paul this past weekend, you were at this event.
I have been to one other freedomfest event about 4 years ago in 2003 when Libertarian Presidential Candidate, a 6'4 well spoken self-made man named Harry Browne spoke. Harry, famous for his book, "How I found Freedom in an Unfree world" took on NeoCon professor Dinesh D'souza in a debate over the proposition "SHOULD the USA invade Iraq?" Harry Browne argued with heart, argued with reason, and most of all argued the Ron Paul non interventionist position with principled wisdom and warning. Yet Dinesh the NeoCon, argued with invective and fear and forboding. That night, I would say the audiance was split down the middle. Thanks to Mark Skousen's freedomfest, you may still purchase a video recording of the event.
As many of you may know, last year in 2007, out of respect for Harry Browne our Ron Paul took time out of his campaign to pick up the debate argue & debate against Dinesh over Iraq, and it was clear Dinesh like other right wing NeoCons, feel they have NOTHING to appologies for. They have NO feelings of "Gee I said this, I expected that, but we got this and that". Again, you can back order copies of that debate if you like and compare the two Dinesh's over the issue of Iraq and noninterventionism and "how best to protect America". Dinesh D'Souza simple is a man who is ALL Conviction with an NO integrity.
Well this years 2008 event entertained another man who is all salesman Conviction, with NO integrity. Infact I would say I think he is an out right sociopath, but I am not a professional psychiatrist and it would take several professionals in that field to come to that independant evaluation; Yet I am convinced Wayne Allen Root is a Sociopath. He stands about 5'8, maybe weighs a buck seventy, and has that look about him that always says, "where is the next party/Lets go!". He is a man of salesman-like passion (he loves that about himself) and he is a man with Conviction, Conservative NEO CON CONVICTION, and of course he has not one shred of Integrity.
Then there was even smaller, a little hunched over, shockingly short 5'7 and very crumpy Bob Borr. Thats Bob Borr, as in BORING as all hell. As in he needs a shave along the back of his beastly little nasty neck. I stood at the back of the 40 seat room he was going to speak. Many walked in and asked me as they looked at the small man in a suit giving us his back. He was bent over to write some notes before walking around to take the Podium, "Is THAT? Bob Barrrr?" "Yes, I think it is" I said similar amazement. There just IS someTHING about TV that enlarges a man, even a little man such as Bob Borring. Bob Borring is so short, his head barely rises above his own office chair. {www.bobbarr2008.com/splash/video/?s0618}
Seriously, choose any average American Male, which btw is 5'10, 175lbs, & about 50 years of age and he, with zero training in the art of boxing, could do away with Barr in a new york second. Seriously, Mr. Bob Boring could easily be taken down with one left jab to the nose and he is OUT Cold. That is right, any average american man of Bob Barr's own age could even take him. Facts are facts, he is a frail small man to be sure. That is something Bob has had to deal with no doubt all his life. At the Freedom Fest conference, one of his 30 something woman handlers or supporters (which was it?), all 5'8 and 180lbs of her, could if she wanted too, cat-scratch Barr's eyes out before he even thought to remove his thick black glasses.
Now why do I say those horrible things? Why do this and bring this issue up with Barr and Root? Why the "name calling"? Well first I do not think I am a name caller at all, see my other posts, but shame on me for doing so here.
The reason I bring this up is because I think it gives us a real insight into the man, the man's character. Further, it is very important if for no other reason than many NeoCon Republcans thought our dear Dr. Ron Paul as "slight and frail" and could not vote for him, just for that reason alone! Well Dr. Paul, all 5'11 and thoroughly in shape Dr. Paul--at the Philly event in 2007 and at a Phoenix event in 2008--could take him. While Dr. Paul is very much their senior at 72, he could take both these bozos on and finish them in time for lunch. This is the kind of stuff these guys think of.
This kind of thing does not matter to Dr. Paul, nor really to me, so just why does this matter? Well it does NOT matter for people like you and I or even Dr. Paul, ideas are what matters. So it is NOT OUR ideas here about "toughness" that at issue...., its theirs. For this very reason Jesse Ventura gives the GOP chicken hawks problems...... a hard as nails tough guy who is pro peace....That really messes them up. And so it is that small men like Root and Barr seek to become TOUGH through political power. Going to the gym? No these guys want "real power" over people. They want to feel big.
Big bad Bob Barr, the faux repentant conservative NeoCon, who cannot stand up and tell Sean Hanity to his face the standard libertarian position on the Drug War, --which would be: "YES, I would decriminalize ALL drugs, ESPECIALLY the hard ones because these people need medical & psychological attention immediately, not jail time. To force them to live the life of crime, makes matters worse, fills up the jails, and solves nothing." Or short little Bob Barr could have simply given Sean Hanity the Dr Ron Paul line on the Drug War, "We need to repeal the whole war on Drugs. It isn't working. We have spent over $400 Billion since the seventies. Prohibition (of alchohol) didn't work. Prohibition of drugs doesn't work. So we need to come to our senses and realize its a disease. We don't treat alchoholics like this, and we need to orient ourselves to this, that is one way we could have equal justice under the law"
But NO...NOT Bob Barr, the 'libertarian presidential candidate'.... Here is what we get from Bob Borring in answer to Sean Hanity's direct question. Hannity, "Ok say you got your way and its now the Drug War is a State issue....would you in your state vote for legalizing Herion & Crack?" Barr" No! I would not vote to legalize herion or crack Sean". Watch it all here:
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
Well even though his speech was lame at Freedom Fest and not well attended, I thought I should take the time to really hear the man out and see if there was more to him on this issue and others. After all he said to Sean, "there is a lot here at stake more than the presidency". But before I could do that I had to had attend the well attended (1000 plus packed room) Ron Paul video feed sent to us from Ron and the March.
Finally later I found the Barr booth amoung the 5 dozen or so booths. Comming from the Laisse Faire books table, I spotted Barr circled by 3 fans over at the Barr booth. I walked over and waited my turn to speak and shake his hand. When I got the chance I asked him, "I was not too happy with that response you gave hannity over ending drug war. Why would you not give the libertarian reason why we SHOULD legalize the hard drugs, especially Crack & Herion?" and the short little weasel said........ NOTHING. ZERO. He then looked away and found another man nearby to talk too. Now I know I am not an intimidating man, but that man was either intimidated, did not know the libertarian arguement, or did know it and still did not wish to discuss it. So he, I and this other man just stood there until Barr asked the man, "So who did you vote for in the past?"
He did find the other man more interesting because he kept asking him questions. "So you voted for Ross Perot, I see....so well, what can I do to get your vote?" And the man's response was, "Well I don't know, I don't like McCain but I don't like waisting my vote again either." To which Barr said, "Well we can't let them just keep ruining our party". They shook hands and Bob Barr took one look at me and then shot a look to his 5'8 female handler or fan who quickly jumped in to offer me a Barr sticker for my suit, to which I said "I will pass for now". Then barr promptly turned and walked away just as he could see that that I was about to redirect my question again.
I walked away from that booth thinking about what had just happened. He wanted the Ross Perot voters vote, not this Ron Paul libertarian's vote. He did not want to discuss his positions on drugs. Now what "libertarian" does not want to explain the tremendous damage this drug war has done and why the conclusion to end it, is better than the alternative to keep it going? No, Bob Barr wanted the Ross Perot voters vote, "because we can't let them just keep ruining our party".... which in hindsight only could mean, we "republicans" can't let them ruin our REPUBLICAN party.
So there you have it, Bob Barr, unrepentant little man, no libertarian, and he feels the that the party has left him, he has not suddenly become a wise old libertarian political philosopher like Dr. Ron Paul. For Bob Barr Big Govt Republicans are the enemy, he is thinks he is for small government, just a government that is still in the bedroom and in your drug cabnet, in your sex lives, and so on. He even says as much on TV, that the "Republican party left him", not that he's suddenly discovered the wisdom of Dr. Paul's libertarian message.
So first my impressions are one of shock. Shock that TV actually makes this little runt look good on TV. His deep voice helps him gain presence, or gravitas on camera. He also never turns his head, just looks straight on unflinching. Perhaps someone has told him to never turn his neck or the TV audiance will get a look at all that nasty neck hair. Further TV is kind to him. I never get a picture of him as short. One CNN interviewer talked to Bob Barr before his libertarian convention and said, "You were a big Republican once, you helped with the Patriot Act, the Defense of Marriage Act, the war on Drugs,...." He had no problem with being called Big, he did not even appologizes for it. Our Dr Paul on the other hand, is so humble, even when he does big things, he is humble about them. How many interviews have we seen where the Good Doctor refuses to take the credit for anything? Compare this character quality to Bob Barr's. To my way of thinking, Bob Barr is a little Napoleon who fell off his republican horse and his mad at his republican party. He hopes to use the Libertarians hard won 50 state ballot access to punnish his former Republican Party. See what I mean here: http://www.bobbarr2008.co...
Sure, he gives voters a choice, but it is not a libertarian choice. And most of all, its not a Revolutionary Choice.
Later that day I found the Barr booth again and introduced myself to VP Wayne Allen Root who was busy "working the floor" of passerbys. So I asked Wayne the same question. You can tell the man feels that when he talks, he has the "magic words" and you are supposed to go under their spell. So it was discerning to him when I failed to smile and nod my head yes, yes, yes. He so full of freedom-is-good BS it turns ones stomach because what he selling is as hallow as his understanding of it. And like a politician who had "bigger fish to fry" as he worked the sales floor, he and his handler spotted the highly respected economist Dr David Friedman. So like I was yesterdays soup, they turned quickly to walk fast to catch up to Dr. Friedman. I thought to myself, am I being insulted or entertained? Both....so I followed along with Root and his handler several steps until they caught up with Dr. Friedman. And like a car salesman Root sales, "What can I do to get your vote?" To which Dr. Friedman answered, "What good is my one vote? Why bother with it? You don't need it?" and they bantered like that for a while until Wayne said rather brazenly I thought, "If I don't get your vote this time, I will get it next time in 2012". To which Friedman replied, "So you are running again?" Root, "Yes, I am going to run on the Libertarian ticket for at least the next four cycles, til 2024". Dr. Friedman looked at my expression of "Oh REALLY? I had no iidea?" and tuned to him, "Then I wish you the best of luck." and walked away.
So there I was, just standing there, with just Root, his handler aid, and my self. Our prior conversation had not ended or really begun, but Root quickly bowed out saying he had to go talk with someone else. So I thought that was very amusing if not out right strangely rude. Lets face it, we have all seen Dr Paul and he never EVER seems one bit short with anyone. Granted he is smothered with people wanting his time, his handshake, even his picture, but he just never rushes anyone, let alone brushes potential voters aside. But here it was, twice! First with Bob Barr, then Root! Well perhaps it was me...or so I thought.
When I returned to the Laisse Faire book take to take a look at Ron's Revolution book and a friends Ron Paul Speaks book, I ran into Marc Victor, a freedom attorney. He began telling me how Barr just walked away, away from his own booth, as Marc began to tell him how he was not too pleased with Barr's response on Glen Beck when Beck derided those who would end the Drug War. "So it is not just me!" I blurted out in laughter. As it turned out, it was a lot of people.
Later that Saturday evening, I ran into libertarian presidential candidate Mary Ruwart. It was refreshing to meet such a sweet person. As she spoke at the book table people just naturally gather around her. She is very smart woman, you can see she has a doctorate just by the warmth and knowledge she has. She reminds me of Dr Paul, as someone who just enjoys enlightening and spreading the freedom message. She lights up about the principles of freedom and loves to explaiin how they work. I believe she said that Dr Paul wanted to appoint her to the FDA because of her background in that area of regulation. She took time to sign her book "Healing our World".
Then someone introduced me to a gentleman Steve Kubby, who also ran for the libertan presidential ticket. I had seen Steve through youtube and so I felt I knew him a bit and told him so. A friend of his told him how big I was into the Ron Paul R3VOLution, funding mailing campaigns to Iowa & New Hampshire and even the Ron Paul You Tube $4,000 video contest. ELiberty's NEW HOPE was the winner, if you have not seen it, watch it!. http://youtube.com/watch?...
There were other winners too like this one....
and this one
http://youtube.com/watch?.... Anyway, these guys came over to me as I was flipping through books that were for sale and asked me jokingly, "so, how many freeway signs did you put up?". For those of us inside the R3VOLution, that is not laughing question... we take that as a badge of pride, don't we. So in all seriousness and honesty I said, "393". These two guys stopped and I introduced myself, Treg, and then I added, "Our meet up pumped out a total 865 signs, I put up 393 signs and I think out of that at least 250 where major freeway signs to be exact".
SO daily paulers & Ron Paul forum people, please listen up, Steve Kubby said,
Kubby-- "So WHY IS THE REVOLUTION not getting behind the Barr campaign?"
I just laughed. Then they persisted.
Kubby -- "No really, you are guy who is realling into the Revolution, why are you not wearing a Barr 2008 sticker?"
Then I said, "Come on, who in here is wearing one. I have seen more Ron Paul T-Shirts and Ron Paul badges than barr stuff. Perhaps Bob Barr and Wayne Root, the next Libertarian Presidential candidate for "4 more cycles" should go up to these Ron Paul people and shake their hand? But they don't. They want Ross Perot voters, disaffected republicans like themselves."
Kubby's friend from NORML-- "No really, we really want you to explain to us why you Ron Paul people don't jump over to the Barr campain and help make that happen."
"make that happen?"-- I said
Kubby -- "Look, I am really close to Root, I can get him to come over here and you could talk to him. He will listen."
"Are you sure about that?" I said laughing.
"Look" I said, "I have had a talk with Root, and I don't think he knows the basic principle which libertarianism is based on"
NORML guy -- said, "Root thinks he can deliver you guys"
"He does?" I said
"Yes he does" http://youtube.com/watch?...
Ok, so he thinks that, so what?"
Kubby --- "We will bring him over here by these chairs to you, then you tell him what he needs to say in order to get you guys interested in him"
I said, "Wait, the way you talk right there is the problem. Look you don't want to know my first impressions of Root. I already met him. Not good".
Kubby & his NORML friend -- "Yes we do" they said.
Me --- "Ok, I am not a trained psychatrist but the man is after power, he does not seem to have a conscious.....well, I think he is a flat out sociopath... but who am I to say, again I am not a psychiatrist."
Yes, well you look like Dr. Drew! " he said laughing it off.
Then as if I had not said anything important, Kubby said, "You just wait right there I will go get him." The other guy and waited. He tells me that he was once the head of NORML and so "understood my concerns of the Drug War".
And I thought, "Ok this is going to be interesting. He is going to come listen to a guy he just hours ago blew off. Cool"
And so Wayne Root did came over, all salesman like. Did not blink an eye that it was me again. Perhaps he thought it was me trying to get an audiance with him. Yes now that I think about how Wayne Root is, I am certain that is how he saw it. Oh well. Whatever.
Root, ---"So they tell me you were big into the Revolution for Dr Paul. He is a good man. So what can I say to get you guys behind the Barr/Root team?"
Me --- "What can you say?" I said delaying for time. It was as if this guy was asking me for the "magic words".
"Well" I finally said, "Start talking and sounding like Dr. Paul or any libertarian".
Root, "But I am talking and saying things like Ron Paul already! I talk about freedom, government is too big, I talk about reducing taxes, I talk about the Constitution, I even talk about going back to a gold standard."
It was as if he was exasperated actor saying, "I am doing my best Ron Paul!!!".
So in response I said,"Dr Paul wants the income tax gone, he wants the Federal Reserve gone, he does not talk about RETURNING to a gold standard, that implies government will set the gold prince, no, he wants gold to be free to be used as money."
Root, "Ok"
Me--"What is the fundamental libertarian principle that everything is based upon?"
Root--"Freedom!"
Me -- "No"
Root -- "The Constitution!"
Me-- "No, I am asking for the keystone, the founding principle the Ron Paul's libertarian philosophy comes from."
Root---"Its freedom, democracy, free enterprize, property rights, the Constitution, I am all for that!!!"
Me--"No, the answer is its our equal Individual rights. And what are those rights exactly? They are Rights to Life, Liberty and Property. Which means { Root tries to interupt and say "I said that"} which means, that no man may use agression against another."
Then I said, "And so Dr Paul wants us out of Iraq now"
Root-- "That is were I disagree with Paul. Yes we should leave when the job is done and we should leave with strength, not weakness"
me -- "Well he is fully for nonintervention, not for attacking Iran. You are a New York Jew, correct? Why don't you be as brave as Doctor Paul and go against AIPAC and Israel. Israel can defend itself. At least they can't call you an anti-semite, right?"
Root --" Well look, I am trying to reach people like my catholic grandmother on my fathers side who does not want to see a weak America. There are millions of them who vote, and frankly few of you who vote. But yes I agree! Israel should be free to do what it wants"
me--"No I did not say that, it should be free to defend itself. Ron Paul never condones Pre-Emptive wars, but us or even by Israel"
Root---"What do we care. Let Israel do what it needs to do. It attacked Iraq, took out a nuclear reactor, right?"
me--"Yes and Dr. Paul was the lone vote that did not vote to sanction Israel for that preemtive attack, not because he was FOR Israel's preemptive attack, but because he does not think it is Congress's business to tell other countries how to behave"
Root--"I did not know he voted like that"
me --- "Dr Paul is not for attacking Iran. Iran is being played here by the international elites. They have an economic embargo, they have now a financial banking embargo that will surely bring her to her knees. Yet Bin Laden is in the hills of Pakastan and PAKISTAN is the country with Nukes! Not Iran. Iran hates Bin Laden. So who is our enemy here? You are a New York Jew, you say you where a millionare before thirty, get some body guards and call for the end of all foreign aid to Israel, for Israel to end its occupation of Palistine"
Root--standing up now and getting ready to leave so we all stand....and that short little Root says something to the effect that (and I wish I had a tape recording of his exact words or even a video to post up) but something to the effect that, "America should just let Israel alone, defend itself and go nuke the heck out of those Iranian cockroaches. Blow'em all up...just nuke the place for a thousand years"
SO then I turn to Steve Kubby and I say, "Millions of innocent lives, all dead? Ron Paul is not for pre-emptive war. That is just mass murder."
He turned to Root, and smiled and said, "Come on you are not for Pre-emptive war" as if trying to get him to come over....
And I said to Kubby so that Root could not hear, "Only Sociopaths can kill millions and sleep well at night."
The group walked on, and Root said something about needing to get Ron Paul's Revolution book and "read it cover to cover".
Well there you have it, Barr is a little man ex-CIA Nepoleon, and Root is a sociopath who plans on being the Libertarian nominee for the next "4 cycles".
Meanwhile some of you may be happy to know I talked with Peter Schiff. Charming, dapper, well dressed, and on his game, Peter talked about the Fed and the need to get out of dollars now. I asked him if he thought of himself as a libertarian, -- he did--and if he ever thought of running for President and if it would be on the Ron Paul platform. He said he liked the idea, that he could even fund his campaign himself and let the Revolution fund and do its own thing, but...BUT, he said while laughing, "I am a new york jew! I will get shot for saying those things". Then he said no, "No, no" and shook off the idea saying, "I can be someone's financial advisor and in their cabnet though."
Well there you have it. I think we in the Revolution need to be searching high and low for our next Ron Paul.
Perhaps our best bet is Dr. Rand Paul. We need to select some one with 100% integrity, and most of all, DOES NOT WANT THE JOB of President. That must be criteria number one.
To that end I nominate Dr. David Friedman as his Vice President,...he would resist it to the end, but then he never turns down a good debate. If we advance the most unusual and unconventional NON Politician in 2012 to go against President Obama, we just may change this country for the better.
If you have read this far, let me know your thoughts.
In Peace & Liberty,
Treg
What an amazing, insightful
What an amazing, insightful and engaging piece. I don't visit too often, but I remember the name Treg, and now I remember even more. I hope this kind of analytical, informative and well annotated articles can flourish here and everywhere.
Listening to Bob Barr in your youtube link, my gut tells me he is a regular politician type, no integrity and no principle, unlike Ron Paul.
From how you relate Barr's campaign and specifically on how they expect Ron Paul supporters to jump over to Barr, they expected us to be a bunch of sheep. These people are so clueless just like another thread I read regarding McCain's campaign expecting Ron Paul's endorsement "today".
You painted a picture of some megalomaniac and sociopath, if not psychopath running for LP ticket. These pair would be as destructive if not more so if elected into office--they might believe they deserve to dictate by virtue of people voting for them. What is more devastating if they win, is that it would reflect America as being composed of a total basketcase populace.
These kinds of personality and lack of character are the exact types of people we are trying to rid our government of.
Thank you for sharing.
P.S. We need a Frodo Bagins--one who does not seek power to carry the ring of power (alluding to "lord of the rings" fiction)
So Wayne Allen Root is a Khazar AND a sociopath
and Barr is a top-notch CIA actor.
"Twilight of the Psychopaths" (informative, succinct article)
http://www.proliberty.com...
Look up "Political Ponerology"– A science on the nature of evil adjusted for political purposes
http://www.ponerology.com...
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thought it was the perfect time to bump this brilliant analytical thread by Treg...who hopefully learned tonight why we won't be voting for Obomba, either. ;-)
peace, my brotha ~
Bob Barr Says Privatize Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac
Hi Treg, Just as Ron Paul agreed that Social Security could not be abolished immediately but needed to be replaced with private savings plans, Bob Barr thinks that the goverment needs to cap the public's liability with Fannie May and Freddie Mac, but that these organizations should be privatized to get the government out of the housing market. Here is the Barr press release on the topic.
Press Releases › July 15, 2008 3:35 pm EST
Oklahoma City, OK -- The latest financial crisis involving Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which guarantee home mortgages, demonstrates yet again how government intervention in private markets almost always comes to grief. Both Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are nominally private, but were created by Congress and enjoy significant advantages over truly private companies, including cheaper borrowing, lower capital requirements, and an implicit federal guarantee.
As a result, the two organizations behaved irresponsibly, confident that they were “too big to fail.” They own $5.1 trillion in mortgage debt, almost half of the nation’s total. With the sub-prime lending crisis in full swing, their losses are up, their capital is down, and their ability to borrow is falling. Immediate privatization is difficult because the markets doubt the organizations can survive without government support. Insolvency and a forced asset sale would roil both the housing and financial markets.
These problems are almost entirely the fault of the federal government. Congress created programs to artificially inflate the housing market, established Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to be exempt from normal scrutiny, oversight, and competition, and expanded their activities in response to the sub-prime lending meltdown. Government must get out of the mortgage business, but must do so in a way that least harms taxpayers and the economy.
In the short-term, government has little choice but to provide an explicit but limited loan guarantee, thereby capping the public’s liability, now widely assumed to be without limit. At the same time, Congress must restrict the number and size of loans by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and set more substantial capital requirements, while authorizing greater Federal Reserve oversight of their operations. The organizations must begin downsizing their portfolios, reducing their risks, and reestablishing their financial credibility.
However, the ultimate objective must be full privatization—with both organizations turned into private companies, responsible for their loan portfolios, and with access to government guarantees or other forms of support. Government should not be in the business of creating multi-billion dollar enterprises to manipulate markets for the benefit of one group or another—in this case, in order to shave the interest rates for selected home buyers by a quarter or half percent.
Finally, we must learn the lesson that government subsidy programs almost always end up running out of control, causing financial disaster for taxpayers. A Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac collapse could cost most than $1 trillion. The U.S. already has a $14 trillion national debt. Far worse, the unfunded liabilities of Social Security and Medicare top $100 trillion. American taxpayers cannot afford additional special interest subsidies and bail-outs.
Moreover, the entire economy suffers from the sort of market manipulation practiced by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, as well as the multitude of direct housing subsidy programs. Indeed, the impact of the sub-prime lending crisis has gone far beyond the housing market. The largely unaccountable Federal Reserve has made many of these problems worse, by extending further bail-outs and creating additional taxpayer liabilities. Congress must limit the Fed’s activities as well, and force it to act with greater transparency and oversight.
Well,
was Napoleon not a good or well known leader-general? Don't you think it is pretty lame to go into boring repetition about how short Barr is. I means you spend several sentences (paragraphs) saying something. Well, all know he is short. Tell me, where in the constitution is there a certain requirement for the president to be a certain length? I could see he is shorter than Dr. Paul. he is articulate and well spoken. He did say directly he is for an ending of the federal war on drugs and would let it to the states to decide, just like Dr. Paul BTW. He said the overreach of the federal government over the rights of a state was one of the main reasons he started to rethink some votes. I am sure Barr would not want to say or think he is perfect. He changed his position with a certain things, and with others - like 2nd amendment - he has a great consistency. Dr. Paul also changed his views on a few things, like the death penalty: this is in the sense of a politician that learns and acknowledges this. ANd it this not a good thing, after all? Face it, drug legalization of hard drugs is NOT going to be the main issue in the election. You obviously think so, but to most people not.
Many Ron Paul supporters were Ross Perot supporters before. I think Barr with his campaign want to concentrate on a few basic, most important issues, which I think is very important. He can as a conservative-libertarian also make the Libertarian party attractive to the masses, while adhering to the main policies of the LP: small govt, civil liberties, non-interventionist foreign policy etc. Barr was already uncomfortable with the GOP while in congress and having some distance, gave him better insight.
It is simply nonsensical to compare Barr and Root: there is a huge difference between them also. Root has zero political experience. I agree he is an arrogant SOB and I never like him. But you cannot mention him in the same breath as Barr or Paul. I really think Barr has improved every time with his TV appearances. You would not put him or Dr. Paul at the top of the Nolan chart. In fact such a person would never be electable, IMHO. Barr shares most of Paul's views, they are both "Old Right". I read several radicals that say Paul is not a libertarian also, just like they say Barr is not a libertarian. ANd this is nonsense.
Root did not want to be VP (according to what he told Kubby). When he saw he cannot win, he tried to make a deal with Barr, but Barr ignored him and walked away and wanted to make a deal with Ruwart or Gravel as VP. Such a ticket would also be very strong. I am not surprised about what you say about Root and would agree with that. However, he is only VP and will not play such an important role in the campaign at all. Yes, with foreign policy he still has neocon. tendencies, but Barr himself is NO neocon. DO you really know what a neocon is? SOme LP have the habit of calling most Republican politicians neocons, which is faulty. The GOP is not a monolithic party, it has three main groups. With Barr's reaction on Hannity, I think he does not want to give the impression he is for the promotion of hard drugs on every street corner.He cannot focus on that only. Barr is also always well-dressed IMHO.
Barr and Paul are closer in positions than Paul and Kubby, for instance.
Well, all know Barr worked for the CIA while he was still young, coming out of
college, from 1971-1978, many dacades ago. Dr. Paul also has CIA foreign policy advisers (Michael Scheuer, Philip Giraldie tc.) and is it not the CIA that said Iran has suspended their plans for a nuclear weapon and pose no threat?
The CIA is not a monolithic organization where everybody thinks exactly the same or has the same positions also, you know.
Dr. Paul does believe it is congress''s responsibility to provide sound currency, this is not something you can leave to the market!
D'Souza is a terrible
D'Souza is a terrible debater. I always cringe when Hitchens gives him props as a formidable opponent, especially considering that Hitchens has absolutely decimated him every time they've debated. Perhaps that's the point: D'Souza is the best that religion can offer to defend its position in the arena of ideas, so in relative terms he's a towering intellect and shining beacon of reason. *giggle*
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It's a cheap shot to make
It's a cheap shot to make fun of Barr's (or Root's) physical appearance, when there is so much that's genuinely disturbing. Stick to the issues, Treg.
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I agree Kevin, stick to the issues...
and the only reason I bring this up about Barr, his size and so forth, is when you look at that and look at his career from ex Cia Big Man to Bill Clinton impeacher Big Man, to Anti-Gay Anti Drug warrior Big Man, to being the BIG MAN that President Bush "had to get" to "sign on" to the Patriot Act.... I think a pattern emerges. Now Barr is the Big Man the Republicans have to "deal with" as the new libertarian spoiler. And besides, it is these very same guys who make such a big deal out of such things in the first place. The media will, at their choosing, have a field day with it. If a miracle happens and the two parties allow Barr into the Debate ( a real coup for Obama ) then America will get to see, via the MSM, that Short little Barr is talking to the Short McCain all the while the 6 foot plus strapping Obama will "look the part".
But you are right, I shall stick to the issues from now on. It was not fun to write that.
In Peace & Liberty,
Treg
Well, also, lots of people
Well, also, lots of people didn't read the bottom of your post because they tuned you out by then--you might consider reformatting the Wayne Root stuff into a new post.
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Hi Liberty Supporters,
Here are links to Bob Barr's TV interviews yesterday:
http://blog.bobbarr2008.c...
http://blog.bobbarr2008.c...
He did a very good job in the Fox and Friends segment by saying that America has achieved something good by having a small-government alternative to the stale two-party system. He also suggested a new word: McBama. Barr is becoming more relaxed and confident in these interviews and is assertive in a friendly way. In the C-span interview he was able to go into explanations because of the longer format and also praised Ron Paul for his great and inspiring campaign for liberty.
Bob Barr is a really good spokesperson for our freedom movement.
I heard that Baldwin gave a rousing speech at the Ron Paul March for Liberty but I don't have a link to it.
Best regards,
George Whitfield
Organizer, Seoul Ron Paul and Bob Barr Meetups
He sounds like a Conservative, not a libertarian! Yuck!
Look Ron Paul would NOT say we need to save Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac.
He would not say as Barr does, "we need to restructure it".
I have not the time, but I bet 2 things: 1) if you go to look through the RON PAUL Position Papers, you will find that some time in the past Ron Paul has written on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and 2) He said we should abolish or 100% fully privatize these government agencies.
I can hear John McCain saying the same thing Barr just said, "My friends, we need to restructure Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac and get government working again..."
That is the point, WE DON'T want Government involved in the mortgage business at all. And we DO NOT want the Tax Payers on the hook for what these agencies do or do not do.
In Peace & Liberty,
Treg
As a side note
Today is Bastille Day.
bastille day is nothing to france
they will laugh at you if you say that to them. they call it their fete nationale.
yes it is
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This is an interesting article imo.
"The first thing a man will do for his ideals is lie"
-Joseph A. Schumpeter
sorry, I didn't have time to
sorry, I didn't have time to read your whole post, but all I can say is this....
Yes, Wayne Allen Root is incredibly annoying.... but I'm not so sure he's evil.... but he's definitely very very annoying.
Bob Barr is kind of an idiot.... I mean, he can attest to his epiphany and say his libertarian positions are legit, and he may be telling the truth. But the fact that he did so much in Congress.... made so many mistakes, kind of makes me think he's stupid..... and therefore, his record makes him unqualified to be president.
But, we don't have to vote for him, and he won't win, so we also don't have to worry about them.
Still, I may end up voting for him (as a protest vote). Simply because, he likely has the best chance of the 3rd party votes to draw in the most votes, and it will look better if those votes are grouped together (or if there's just millions of 3rd party votes across the board for all the other candidates, but that probably won't happen).
Anyways, Barr may not be perfect, but the thing about him is that he's a candidate that the media will shed a little light on.... that will help the Libertarian party (so that we might break the 2 party system, which does suck). Also, he may have a bad record, but he'll be given a podium to spread the message.... so he can only help.
Exactly Right. Excellent post.
I have seen and heard Bob Barr and Root several times. I don't know what it is, but something about these two make the hair on the back of my neck stand up and my skin crawl. I cannot make myself trust those two. I believe your assessment is exactly right and hope that your post stays bumped for more people to read it.
I don't know who I will finally support for president. I am leaning towards Chuck Baldwin, assuming that Paul will not pull off a miracle and be nominated from the convention floor. If that does not happen, I will support whoever Ron Paul endorses.
Let us not forget the total lack of support for Paul by the Libertarian party, even though it was in their best interests to do so.
In any case, I hope that the Revolution stays united with a vote of solidarity for whomever Paul's choice is. As for the rest of the bums in office, I plan on voting every incumbent out and (when possible) for any party other than Democrat or Republican.
Thanks for the post. It was a good read.
"It does not take a majority to prevail... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." Samuel Adams
Thanks...
There was ...and I am guessing....about 1500 or so in attendance at www.freedomfest.com They said it was sold out weeks in advance.
Make sure you mark your calanders to attend this conference next year.
The comment, "total lack of support from the LP for Dr. Paul" is not true. The LP endorsed him, said they would hand him the ticket and make sure he would be on the ballot in all 50 states. They even extended to Ron's campaign their contact lists for fund raising and support. The LP waited and waited and sought out Ron to end his Republican run and welcomed him to come back to the LP. But, he has "been there, done that" and felt that campaign came ended (basically after Super Tuesday) he let many know it was effectively over. Still, he was wanted and respected at the LP, so I must disagree with you there. If anyone did Ron Paul a disservice, it was Reason Mag with their dredging up the Ron Paul letters. Then their follow up articles that went on a witch hunt for "who wrote them?" Most dispicable was reason writers who would not discuss if indeed any statements made were indeed "racists" or not. Totally beside the point for them, but hardly forgiveable considering they are supposed to be about "Reason, Free Minds & Free Markets".
In Peace & Liberty,
Treg
did anyone actually read this whole thing?
I don't have the time far too long and I'm still voting for Barr. Some day you'll understand the logic behind it.
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Please explain it to me...
The game of comprimise is a game of inches. Those who comprimised like the Bob Barr Conservatives inside the Republican Party, Lost. Reagan & Gold water Conservatives, Lost.
It seems to me that extremists win.
Dr. Milton Friedman pointed out in his book, FREE TO CHOOSE, that all of the Socialist Party Platform of 1920 (or so) came to full fruition by 1970.
No, they did not win elections, they won the world of ideas.
Indeed, we libertarians are still fighting the world of socialist ideas that they have successfully put forward.
The socialists got their full Retirement Care in the form of Social Security. They got nationalized education and many others. They have since lost some of the realization of some of their plans with the break up of Att & t ...that is they wanted nationalization of communications, energy, water and travel.
But they are holding dear to Nationalization of Medical Care.
As i see it, political parties are just tools. Winning the hearts and minds with the libertarian vision or the socialist vision is what this battle is all about. The shades of grey inbetween, the dems and republicans, are simply teams that carry our water.
To win this game, we must be better sellers of our ideas, .... to first the Intellectuals, then to the influencial, and then to the masses. That is how the socialists did it and to this day retain their power.
The power of the libertarian vision is gaining new strength and new life through three things....
1) the internet which so far disperses knowledge cheaply and
2) the world wide movement towards a middle class--the first in Mankind's history and
3) The sciences of Man...his biology, true nature and political economy
In Peace & Liberty,
Treg
excellent point
Fortune Favors the Bold
Didn't everyone already know
that Barr was being nominated for face/name recognition?
What did you expect?
Take everything with a grain of salt...
First off, either this man has a BRILLIANT memory, or he is talking from a memory with a biased perspective...Please keep that in mind...There are also a few inaccuracies, but I don't have time to point them all out.
Here is one of them: What Root said was incorrect? In his answer he mentioned life and liberty but not in those exact terms, but he did mention property rights. So how was his answer wrong?
Me--"What is the fundamental libertarian principle that everything is based upon?"
Root---"Its freedom, democracy, free enterprize, property rights, the Constitution, I am all for that!!!"
Me--"No, the answer is its our equal individual rights. And what are those rights exactly? They are Rights to Life, Liberty and Property. Which means { Root tries to interupt and say "I said that"} which means, that no man may use agression against another."
'Root' does not get the Root of libertarian philosophy
Wayne gave a general answer, "freedom, democracy, free enterprise, property rights, the Constitution".... but he did not get to the ROOT of libertarianism and that was the questioin. As a VP libertarian, he should AT LEAST know the correct answer, most libertarians do.
Where does all that [freedom, democracy, free enterprise, property rights, the Constitution] come from? From which principle does libertarianism start from to derive and get their positions? Root should know, but did not.
Answer: The principle of inalienable individual human rights: Which are;
the right to Life, Liberty & Property. And in making a claim for such rights, it means you will not deny them from others, hence the NonAgression Axiom.
Root should have known this, for to become a Libertarian you must sign a NON AGREESSION PLEDGE.
For those of you who signed on into the Libertarian party and read the signing statement before Joining, you would know this.
Further, the NonAgression Individual Rights Pledge means just that. It means you do not advocate or partake in any agressive actioins which would mean the taking of other human's individual Rights.
It is NOT a Pacifist Pledge. Should someone or group agress against you and take away your individual rights, you do have the full right of Self Defense and the right to take aggressive actions in response. Hence, Ron Paul's foriegn Policy is one of non intervention, which can be derived from this libertarian principle.
To advocate that the government respect Individual Rights, means the USE of Agressive Force is outlawed in civil society. Indeed, it is the very principle that makes society CIVIL.
Ron Paul's policies can all be viewed as being in accordance with Individual Rights principle.
Even Ron Paul's disagreement with Libertarians over their abortion plank, being ProLife and not Pro Choice, Ron Paul used the libertarian principle to argue for his ProLife position. He even took the time to write a small book on the subject. Some believe he made his case, others believe he did not. But they respected him for it, for trying to stick to the libertarian principle of respecting Life, Liberty & Property of everyone. He gained our respect and in 1988 Dr. Paul was as their Presidential candidate to carry the libertarian message.
The Individual Rights principle helps us. You and I can, when asked on just about any politcial question, such as.... "Do you think prostitution should be legal?" or "Do you think Gambling should be legal?" and give a reasoned position. And by the way, the Constitution does not out law these things, nor did most state laws at the time.
Well, you and I may know zero about prostitution or gambling, zero about all the surrounding issues, but with the principle of Individual Rights in our hand, we can say with confidence that as long as each adult freely acted without using force or fraud, that no individual rights where violated, then the answer is yes, prostitution and gambling should be a LEGAL activity.
Being a "LEGAL ACTIVITY" does not mean it is a MORAL or even WISE activity. The problem today is that political world loves to confuse the three and say this ..... if some activity is not WISE, (say playing a money loosing & addictive games that gives you only a 1% chance of winning) it should be illegal, and thus made against the law. If some activity is not MORAL, (say buying & selling sex), it should then be illegal, and thus made against the law.
The founding fathers where libertarians and deists basically. They were trying to design a society .... a fully FREE society, and they clearly understood the difference between the LEGAL, the MORAL, and the WISE. To build and maintain a FREE society, one must allow the Unwise and immoral actions of others --- that DO NOT VIOLATE INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS.
That is the inalienable Rights of Man that they talked about. That is the line in the sand, where you can say this is Legal, this is not. This was the principle upon which a free society is and was built.
We may not like our fellow citizens being UNWISE and IMMORAL, but we leave it to our freedoms to challenge them and talk to them and convince them to change thier activity. We have the point to make that they are ONLY HURTING THEMSELVES. Thus a compassionate & moral person can be kind & helpful, and suggest to the Prostitute that there is a better life. Thus a compassionate & moral person can be Jesus-like if you will, and suggest that some freely taken actions are Unwise.
With this in mind, you can see that by enlarging the scope of the LEGAL, one neccesarily takes away from the scope of the Moral & Wise. You could say, as government increases its LEGALLY permitted actions, then society is left with smaller areas of activity to be Moral and Wise. Government (LEGAL) increases at Churches (MORAL) and Schools (WISE) expense.
Freedom leaves us in society free to start and keep good traditions and customs. Holidays are special and have always been special. We take these occaisions to sometimes permit things we normally do no do. We should always look for ways to making stronger traditions and good moral customs. Good moral customs may be temporaily helped by making such and such "illegal" but in the end, over the long term, the good moral custom gets lost and all the remains is the Legal Law and plenty in jail. This makes for a society that is only held together by legal laws and threat of the police officer and jailer. This makes for a disfunctional society. So for those who want stronger Moral Customs, we must get immoral actions and unwise actions --actions that do not violate the Individual Rights to Life, Liberty & Property of another, LEGAL.
For those that believe in God, you must notice that God himself gives mankind WIDE latitute ..... our governments legal system should do the same.
In Peace & Liberty,
Treg
Treg, you're not at the root yet
You still need to show where rights come from!
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Thanks for your wonderful post and all your efforts! You confirmed what I already surmised about Barr and Root.
But..but..we're saying all the right things!
At least they think they are..... Ooo ...ooo...tell us what to "say" to win over the revolution! lol! C'mon people its not about being some smarmy snake oil salesmen jumping on the bandwagon of our growing revolution to "sell us" on themselves for thier own political agenda ( which is highly questionable..at best) They dont understand that they actually have to stand for the principles and understand the principles.. not just repeat what they think will "sell" us! lol! Enjoyed the post Treg! If I had seen Bob Barr at the rally in DC I wouldnt even give him a second glance....but of course he was not there...Chuck Baldwin was though!
P.S. Very telling Root decides NOW that he might better read Dr Pauls book! Hmmm...better put down the ones hes been studying.."How to Act Like a Patriot" & "How to Win Over the Revolution in Ten Easy Sound Bites"
Thanks for the post Treg...
gives great insight into these 2 "Libertarians". There is no way that true revolutionaries would vote for Barr/Root, no way.
Well thank
Well thank god we have Treg to snuff out the only remaining candidate getting media coverage who is spreading the message of limited government. Thanks for opening our eyes and making sure we support noone but Ron Paul forever even if it means destruction of our own movement. Great Idea. Lets all run to the nearest cliff and jump off so we can all remember the movement as absolutely perfect.
"The wicked flee when no man pursueth, but the righteous are as bold as a lion."
Great Post
THx for the report Treg!
I am sure Root didnt sleep to good as it must be obvious to him now that the rEVOLution will never support him. Lets hope we do not offer him a better nights rest by bombing Iran.
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I enjoyed these posts,
I enjoyed these posts, too.Politicians are going to have to wake up to the fact that WE have woken up and our BS meters are up and operational.
BS meters
I am not a writer or a debater, but one thing I am good at, is detecting authenticity. And I knew immediately that Wayne Root was a fraud and that he is stridently obnoxious...... And Bob Barr voted for the Patriot Act, so that says it all.
Republicans as a rule say that they put God and what's best for the Country first. No, they do not. They put the Party first. How else can they ignore or rationalize their leader's penchant for power grabbing and the evisceration of the Constitution by their elected officials?
Treg has shown me that the libertarian does not put Party loyalty first as I have recently started to conclude. Thanks Treg for restoring some integrity to the Libertarian party.
Great read....
I felt that I was there with you, walking around....I have not trusted Barr/Root and this read just reinforces my beliefs....I'm still in it for Ron Paul...
A FIne Un-biased Article...
I SWEAR IF I DIDN'T HAVE A BRAIN TO MAKE DECISIONS ON MY OWN AND I READ ALL THE ANTI-BARR RHETORIC ON THIS SITE, I WOULD THINK THIS MAN IS THE WORST POSSIBLE CANDIDATE IN THE ELECTION.
I LOVE how the article started off for a few paragraphs describing the man's stature and his looks and how they weren't up to par. Well, Dr. Paul himself isn't the most menacing, larger than life, Don Juan character which this thread writer thinks is the holy grail of all personal qualities.
PEOPLE WE NEED HIM IN THE DEBATES TO BE A VOICE OF LIMITED GOVERNMENT, AND FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY TO KEEP THE OTHER BIG GOV. CLOWNS IN LINE!
best post of the day
Treg that was so informative...
I also see Rand Paul as the future leader smart good looking(women votes)and very good speaker.
Barr and W.A.R.oot make me cringe....
peace
Yes, great post
That was awesome how you grilled Barr on his Hannity + Colmes appearance.
But that's really weird that he didn't even reply...he seems really uptight.
Yes, DDF for president in 2012!
We need a zero-government libertarian in office!
Typical Barr Hater
Talking crap about his looks. You are the kind of Paul supporters that give us a bad name. I would bet you are much more of a sociopath then Root. I want pot legalized, but the others need to just be decriminalized. Of course I disagree with Root on the war. But these little hit piece show me poeple like you hopefully do not vote and are really a 17 yr old.
Please Barr does not want your support.
I agree, but...
Barr is still a neocon shill, whether you like it or not.
People need to read this .....then realize that bar and his side
kick are not the real deal....PEACE--LIBERTY--AND FREEDOM....(where in that does it say pre-emptive war....)
"REVOLUTIONS OCCUR NOT BY 51% OF THE POPULATION....THEY OCCUR BY 3 OR 4 OR 5 % AND WE HAVE THAT NUMBER--CARRY ON!!"
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Freedom Fest
I just received this report on Freedom Fest from Steve Kubby, a true hero for liberty. I think Kubby provides a valuable perspective because he has changed minds for liberty, written laws that enlarged personal freedom and and successfully campaigned for their passage in the largest state in the USA, California, and who has had the courage to go to jail for his convictions, and emerged to fight for liberty again. Here is Kubby's report:
Dear Friends,
For the past four days, I have been attending Freedom Fest, where I suddenly found myself being enthusiastically introduced by, Richard Viguerie, to various conservative leaders. Less than two months ago, I joined several other Libertarian candidates in opposing Viguerie, an iconic conservative leader and strategist, as our keynote speaker for the 1008 Libertarian National Convention in Denver this May.
Viguerie, who has been dubbed the "funding father" of modern
conservative strategy, tells me that the conservative movement has been betrayed by the GOP leadership, who are corrupt and must go. Along with Bob Barr, he believes the federal government is out of control, the War on Drugs is a failure and the prisons system is a disgrace.
Like you, I find myself wondering what I have been smoking.
Seriously, the conservative movement is in chaos right now and leaders like Viguerie and Barr are determined to overturn the abuses of the Bush Administration. Viguerie tells me about a friend who is a four star general and even he is afraid of our government. Like politics, the battle to secure our rights and restore our liberty, makes for strange bedfellows.
Back in March of 2007, I officially joined Ron Paul as the second
presidential candidate to sign a pledge, submitted to all presidential candidates by the American Freedom Agenda (AFA). The AFA is described as "a coalition established to restore checks and balances and civil liberties protections under assault by the executive branch". It was founded by Bruce Fein (chairman), Bob Barr, David Keene and Richard Viguerie, all well known conservative leaders.
The ten points of the American Freedom Agenda pledge are:
* No military commissions except on the battlefield.
* No evidence extracted by torture or coercion.
* No detaining citizens as unlawful enemy combatants.
* Restoring habeas corpus for suspected alien enemy combatants.
* Prohibiting warrantless spying by the National Security Agency
in violation of law.
* Renouncing presidential signing statements.
* Ending secret government by invoking State Secrets Privilege.
* Stopping extraordinary rendition by the United States.
* Stopping threats to prosecuting journalists under the Espionage
Act of 1917.
* Ending the listing of individuals or organizations as
terrorists based on secret evidence.
On October 15, 2007, Ron Paul introduced House Resolution 3835, the "American Freedom Agenda Act of 2007" before Congress, which sought to legislate the aims of the American Freedom Agenda. The measure, which is co-sponsored by Dennis Kucinich, has had no action since November 15, 2007.
During Freedom Fest, I had a chance to spend some time with Bob Barr. I told Barr that provisions of the Patriot Act, that he helped to author, are being used to shut down bank accounts for medical
marijuana dispensaries that are legally complying with state law.
Barr suddenly turns beet red and he is visibly angry, not at me, but
at the arrogant abuse of a law that was only intended to be used
against real terrorist. Barr asks me if I can get him a copy of the
letters, but I tell him I have already tried and people are too scared
to give it out. Barr tells me to tell them to black out the personal
info and just send him the letter, so he can determine who wrote it
and who is responsible.
Later, Barr gives a speech that is being taped for a TV News crew,
about his lobbying work on behalf of the Marijuana Policy Project. He mentions that "this is a joint project" and, with the words still
hanging in the air, I call out, "no pun intended." Barr stops his
speech, looks over at me and just stares. Then he, and the audience get my joke and everyone starts laughing - including Barr who is LHAO. Barr looks back into the TV camera and says, "My friend Steve Kubby has a good sense of humor, and we need that in this business."
So why are Libertarians and Conservative working together? Is there a secret plan to take over the LP, or the GOP, or BOTH? For the best journalistic interpretation I've seen to date, please read the extraordinary recent story in Time magazine: Libertarians: A (Not So) Lunatic Fringe http://www.time.com/time/...
Let freedom grow,
Steve Kubby
Steve Kubby is either hired by the Barr Campaign
or he takes a deep person interest in advancing the Barr Campaign.
When I met Steve, it was he who wanted me to meet and talk to Root. It was Steve who wanted the R3VOLution to like Root.
In Peace & Liberty,
Treg
A fantastic blog entry.
Exceptionally informative and valuable. I've hand copied many of the points and quips, cut and pasted the entire lot... bookmarked and noted the page for many future references. But I didn't think much of your final wrap-up, as if 'RP is all done and we are suffering for a lack of leader replacement'... simply not true I say. Have you reviewed this last weekend's liberty rally in DC? I hold that Ron Paul is anything but done.
Yet overall... your floor exchanges, as relayed, were phenomenal. You give live-action debate a very good run. I mean that. I'm not kidding.
(but btw: The festering and metastasizing injustice of and standing upon 9/11 can not be avoided indefinitely. And for our own sake, we should take it upon ourselves to understand the subject at least as well as you have investigated Barr/Root, and demonstrated the ease with which fellers like that are either ignorant of the true underpinning philosophy of the labels they lay claim to, and/or the ease with which charlatans can hijack the minds of well meaning people by using such knowledge. Yes? No?)
Glad you attended. I wish I
Glad you attended. I wish I could have gone. I wish you had spent more time with Mary.
On Barr i'm just wondering if maybe you made him nervous. Like perhaps he viewed you as some kind of provocateur. I know a lot of people not just politicians will try to avoid those situations. Kerry would have just had you tased...
Root... well I'm not surprised in the least that he had not read the Manifesto. "What do i have to do to get your vote???" well first of all don't ask me what you have to do to get my vote! That's got to be the biggest red herring ever in the history of ever.
Okay, so this is what I have been beginning to see for a little while now. Barr may carry the ball just long enough to hopefully get Baldwin national recognition. We ought to also keep in mind that a 4 or 5 way split lowers our requirement to win. I think Baldwin, Nader, Mckinney could pull disaffected Obama votes. Barr/Root splits McCain votes. The R[EVOL]UTION supports Baldwin in the end...
Need to dwell on this further and crunch some numbers.
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I really believe this is the time, it is now or never. Keep up the great work.
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I'm afraid it is too late, but all we can do is keep trying.