Jesse Ventura speaks out on two-party system, Libertarians, Ron Paul
Posted July 14th, 2008 by Michael Nystrom
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Jesse Kicks ass
He is very well spoken, and he gets it. I don't understand the comments below...I don't get it? He speaks clear and concise. He is very accurate!
He is 100% pro Ron Paul!
Jesse is just another jerk
I listened to Jesse on Larry King live, and I can tell you my assessment is that he is just another government hack who does not understand.
His fundamental flaw is that he thinks you just need to tune government and it works. It does not. He is fundamentally no different than Obama or McCain, just a toned down version.
Government is force. The more force, the less freedom. So Jesse wants less force, but he buys the fundamental belief that government is superior and has the mandate to run our lives.
What else do you expect from someone who lacked the morals to refuse to go kill gooks in the Vietnam invasion? I would not piss on him if he were on fire.
Did
you even listen to the entire interview???
Hmmm?
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Anarchist much?
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I feel Jesse needs to change the title of his book
We started the revolution without him. He has a great opportunity to join in and to lead. Instead he is turning tail and running back to Mexico. Well I say good riddance, it is obvious that he only wanted to promote his book and then leave. Seems to be another politician that needs to line his pockets and say to hell with the U.S.A.
Exactly...
where was Jesse when Ron Paul could have used support for name recognition early in the primaries??? Jesse knows full well his weight with "independents", because of his name recognition. why did he not jump in and help since he could not run himself?
You had a great opportunity to contact RP,HQ,JV. Did you?
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"My role in the revolution is to wake up the lemmings of this country, who sit back and accept the pablum the media feeds them"
Jesse Ventura
Ventura/Paul 2008
NO
I never felt Jesse was a good choice in the presidential field. But a senate run would have been a great place to speak out. I think all he has wanted to do is promote his book.
Have you read his
Have you read his book?
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And I read Ron's book. But I didn't see Ron Paul running to Mexico after he promoted his book. I see him still fighting as hard as ever for our constitutional rights! And really, Jesse is a big blowhard. Really full of himself. We probably have enough of those types in Washington already.
Ron has a day job and there
Ron has a day job and there are plenty of Americans living outside the US so what.
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lol, wninja probably not.
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"My role in the revolution is to wake up the lemmings of this country, who sit back and accept the pablum the media feeds them"
Jesse Ventura
Ventura/Paul 2008
and thank you so much for
and thank you so much for answering for me, ignorance.
Can we get together on this?
I wish Ron Paul would ask Jesse to be his VP.
It would start a wildfire of attention and media headlines.
I think it would take him to the White House.
It is too late for Jesse to run for the presidency because there is not enough time to get on the ballot in all the states. But Ron Paul is already on the ballots and it would be a home run. Adding Jesse Ventura to the ticket will cause an uproar of excitement and enthusiasm.
THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO FOR VICTORY!
Will you help push for this?
Anybody who can contact Ron Paul run it by him...
Why not wait
until the RNC is over. Then drop it!!!
Talk about timed publicity!
Ventura/Paul.... could they do that?
He lost me...
...when he started talking about border issues. He sounds just like all of the other elite's on this one. Americans aren't opposed to immigration, they are opposed to invasion. Two amnesty's later and 15 million illegal aliens presently residing in the U.S. is NOT immigration. His attempt to blur the distinction between the immigration and illegal immigration is as disingenuous as it gets. This is the standard operating procedure for the open borders crowd: To use the term "immigration" or "immigrants" as synonymous terms for illegal immigration. When the justifyable anger of the American public is expressed, the elites characterize that anger as racism or a lack of tolerance rather than contending with the real issue- injustice. For all of his supposed honesty, Mr. Ventura's characterization of the immigration issue is fallacious.
Life is good for wealthy Americans in Baja - it's kind of like living the colonial life. His self-righteous piety is the piety that we have had far too much of already with our pols. in this country. They use the power they hold to re-distribute the citizens wealth and they use their power to circumvent the law in order to gain power and massive, intoxicating ego strokes for their benevolence. If Mr. Ventura is so enamored with his new country and the plight of it's citizenry, then he should push for reform and revolution there. Let's see how that works for you Jesse...
Ironically, he appears to prefer saddling the American public with the consequences of Mexico's rampant entrenched corruption and abuse of power. I'd really like to see him exercise his so-called courage and take on the ruling powers in Mexico... For now he appears to be quite content with his idyllic fantasy of his adopted country. It seems to serve his narcissism well.
As for fences... A fence on the border is not the ultimate solution. Certainly, a fence across the entire Mexican border would be a gross waste of dollars and would not end the problem. However, a strategic use of fences in certain areas has already proven to be very effective. The new fence in San Diego county works quite well. Ultimately however, a fence is just a distraction if our elected officials and bureaucrats are hell bent on suppressing protection of our borders at every turn. As Dr. Paul says, "Why are we protecting Iraq's border and not our own?"
I shake my head every time I hear the argument against any kind of border fencing. If fences aren't a deterrent, then how come they are universally used to protect property? I wonder if Mr. Ventura ever had a fence around his property ?... Fences play a significant role in deterring unlawful entry. Or should I have said "undocumented entry"?
To protect my property I have a fence. I also have the right to protect my property with reasonable force (until the government takes that away..). As an ultimate arbiter of my rights, there is law enforcement and the courts to enforce the law and the protection of my property. Why is it that with illegal immigration, our leaders have attempted to disembowel each of these elements of deterrence, protection, and national sovereignty?
Of course, all of these measures will be limited in their effectiveness unless our leaders stop their betrayal of our sovereignty and actually enforce the laws already on the books. There in lies the question- why is Jesse Ventura and the majority our leaders so opposed to the rule of law and the protection of our borders her at home?
While I wait for an answer to that question I look forward to Jesse Ventura taking the Mexican government to task.
.....To all crickets: chirp away
On Jesse
There was nothing in the interview that I was offended by. Some very religous people may have been offended, but should not have been. He was stating the Constitution where gov't and religion should be separate. Religion is used to manipulate if the less open minded allow it. I'm not saying it's bad or good, just that it should not be used in "state" decisions.
As for a fence, I don't even know that Ron Paul is totally in favor of that. It would not hurt my feelings, but not sure it's the best solution. As Ron says, the only solution is to not give incentives for people to cheat the U.S. citizens by coming here to and taking advantage of U.S. taxpayers: birthright citizenship, free school, medical.....it's a joke and a bad one at that. You can't blame these people for coming here and taking advantage of freebies that our boys willingly give them.....WITH OUR MONEY!
Where has sanity gone?
I'll answer your question
First a question for you.
How many times have you said something stupid,based on your ignorance of the subject?
The difference between JV and our corrupt Govt. officials,is that JV is ignorant of the plans for the NAU,and the larger picture...
Our corrupt officials are hell bent on destroying the sovereignty of our country. They want to make us a 3rd world nation.
Jesse V has a sympathetic viewpoint,as he has lived 6 months out of the year in Mexico,and has a good relationship with the Mexican people.
I do not hate RP for avoiding the 9/11 issue. I know he is learning,just as JV is learning. Both of their hearts are in the right place. We can work out the rest. That is all that counts for me.
We have got to stop looking for perfection in our candidates,or we will never find one.
NO ONE IS PERFECT,including you.
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"My role in the revolution is to wake up the lemmings of this country, who sit back and accept the pablum the media feeds them"
Jesse Ventura
Ventura/Paul 2008
Ignorance? I'll take you to the mat on this matter....
Let me quote you:
"First a question for you.
How many times have you said something stupid,based on your ignorance of the subject?"
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Answer: On this issue- very few.
I've lived in border states my entire life- 44 years. With the exception of four of those years I've lived in Arizona and California- 40 years. The remaining four years in a state on the Canadian border. I've spent many weeks surfing in Baja and I've participated more than one community service project in Mexico. I've studied the issue very intensely and I'm affected daily by illegal immigration. My wife is an executive in a hospital and is on the front line of this issue as it relates to healthcare and the associated issues.
If you want to go a few rounds on the subject of illegal immigration, I'd love to. As for now, you appear to be only capable of offering up the same emotional platitudes that Mr. Ventura and the open borders folks recite.
If Mr. Ventura has a sympathetic view point on the matter as you say, why is he does he hold the U.S. citizen responsible for Mexico's woes? If he was truly sympathetic to Mexico's plight he would speak out against the Mexican government. If he was truly sympathetic, he would push for reform in Mexico, and ultimately revolution if reform fails. But no, (perhaps unwittingly) he parrots the Mexican governments position in using the U.S. as a pressure relief valve to circumvent reform and/or revolution. Maybe he's just afraid to jeopardize his cozy casa y rancho? I dunno.
Besides, how can someone in Ventura's position be ignorant of the NAU? Or the larger picture for that matter?...
Contrary to your assertion that Mr. Ventura is "learning" about the issue and by implication, pliable on the matter- I heard nothing equivocal in his statements about our border policy ( were we listening to the same clip?). Incidentally, this is not an issue of looking for "perfection" in him, but being dismayed by a clear and deliberate position on illegal immigration that contradicts his other stated commitments to small government, the rule of law and just governance. Your assertion that I expect "perfection" is a straw argument.
His position on this matter is a gross systems failure, not a mater of
imperfection.
Also, In the future reconsider your approach. Starting out a post with insults right off the bat doesn't do much for civil discourse. To be clear, I have nothing against Mr. Ventura, I'm glad he can still command media attention for the cause of liberty. However, his position on illegal immigration is deeply contradictory. Hopefully his ignorance will abate, and he'll replace warm sentimentality with the clear thinking that has made him a welcome personality on the American scene.
Let me end my comments with a quote familiar to you:
"My role in the revolution is to wake up the lemmings of this country, who sit back and accept the pablum the media feeds them"
-Jesse Ventura
He would be well served on the immigration matter to heed his own advice.
First of all
My question was simply a question. It was not intended as an insult.
How many things have you said at the age of 18,that you look back on at the age of 30 and said WTF was I talking about?
I have lived in Texas all my life,in CENTRAL TEXAS aka northern Mexico.
I too have seen the destruction illegal immigration has caused. We are not in disagreement here.
My beef is not solely with the Mexican people, I would do the same if I were in their shoes. I too,am upset that they don't take responsibility for their own Govt. before trying to milk us.
The Mexicans must have a revolution,just as we need one here.
My beef is with the ones here and elsewhere that continue to bicker about this flaw or that flaw in candidates ( Barr / Baldwin) that haven't a snowballs chance in hell.
My beef is with the fact that we had a perfectly viable,popular,vocal,unafraid candidate that could have brought our issues so much farther into the forefront,and we pissed it away.
Jesse Ventura,by his own words,apologized for not being more aware and active on the issue of 9/11. I believe he could have been brought into the light as far as the immigration issue was concerned.
We could've been more supportive. That is all I am saying.
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"My role in the revolution is to wake up the lemmings of this country, who sit back and accept the pablum the media feeds them"
Jesse Ventura
Ventura/Paul 2008
Mexican Revolution?!?!?
Mexican Revolution?!?!? Effing brilliant!!! Seriously! What a loop that would throw into the globalist agenda.
We already know the RPR has world wide appeal. But really what is needed is a World Wide Revolution.
This idea deserves much global strategic thought. We should keep in mind that the worlds elitists are not just destroying the US but spreading their dominion threw out the world as know it. Our world wide meet-ups need to grow their numbers and every country that is under the thumb of the elitists needs to get privy and rise up.
We should be helping them awaken and help them figure out how to advance this idea of freedom.
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Quote: "The Mexicans must
Quote:
"The Mexicans must have a revolution,just as we need one here."
This is the heart of the matter- much agreed.
Did we do all we could for Ron Paul's campaign? Probably not. I could have done more for sure. I would'nt characterize it as pissing it away though, alot of folks really stepped up. However, you have to consider what we are up against. A MSM that really did not want to contend with him. Political coverage that is obsessed with power plays and gamesmanship to the exclusion of ideas, much less fidelity to the constitution. A populace that cares more about Dancing with the Stars than this Republics slow dance with tyranny. The list could go on and on.
The American public wasn't ready for the reasons outlined above. The real battle will be a long campaign of education, activism and determined vigilance. Already, Dr. Paul is casting a shadow that is much larger than it should be for someone has "dropped out of the race" . This is especially true as his warnings and wisdom continues to be proven out. It's kind of uncanny really.
The American public appears to now be aware that something is burning. They smell the smoke, ... but I suspect they still have little idea at how bad things are, much less that it's indeed their house that's burning.
I just look at this as a long term commitment. Man, I do wish that Dr. Paul was still in the race, it is a real bummer. Ultimately though, more than one man, and one president will be needed to restore liberty. It has to become a movement.
I am however, consoled by two facts:
1) I've been woken up to the real issues. The whole Matrix blue pill/ red pill thing.
2) and that, Ron Paul has started a ripple in the pond that just seems to grow and grow.
He's mistaken about "big L" and "small l"
Big "L" Libertarians are simply members of the Libertarian Party or registered to vote as Libertarians. They are all small "l" libertarians.
Small "l" libertarians are people who believe in individual liberty, but don't belong to the LP or register to vote as Libertarian. They may or may not be members of another political party or registered to vote as something else.
IMissLiberty
Anarchists
He's also wrong about all LPers being anarchists. Most aren't, but some are (including past candidate Harry Browne!).
Also, regarding the libertarians, a lot are zero-government...Just go over to LRC. It's not called "Anti-state, anti-war, pro-markets" for nothing...
That's true--he's describing
That's true--he's describing the old-school Libertarian party. The New Wave LP isn't even convincingly anti-state, let alone anarchist.
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Haha, so true...
I watched the debates, and it was kind of a joke how little they knew about the philosophy.
ps. Ventura is opposed to the chaotic version of a-narchy.
I wonder if he'd change his mind if he realized that the marketplace could provide protection agencies and dispute resolution organisms (DRO's), and that there thus could be order?
Ron Paul might have missed his best chance
to make into the oval office. When it beame obvious that the GOP was going to thwart his every effort to fair primary season, the Ron Paul team should have realized that they would have to be "unconventional". That means to think outside of the box. Look at reality first, Ron Paul is a man of integrity, genuine beliefs in the Constitution, and a capable legislator. But a political hardass, he's not. And neither did his campaign staff prove to be. But Jesse Ventura is, and he's popular, and he "tells it like it is". Early on, when the GOP was succeeding in keeping Ron Paul out of the limelight, he should have dropped a bomb on them by announcing Jesse Ventura as his VP running mate. The neocons would have had a hard time keeping Jesse silent. This might have been the aggressive tactic that would shake the media lapdogs into asking the question: "Why not?"
Well said Alaney
I am as frustrated about this as you are.
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"My role in the revolution is to wake up the lemmings of this country, who sit back and accept the pablum the media feeds them"
Jesse Ventura
Ventura/Paul 2008
I'm so disappointed!
I thought he was going to announce that he was going to run and then he didn't. What? Why put the rumor out there and create this big "to do" and this big build up yesterday and even on the show? For what? I was so excited yesterday about Jesse and couldn't wait to watch him announce. Then when he said he wasn't and all the reasons and the polls blah, blah, blah I couldn't believe it. I just felt like he wanted to vent and toot his own horn for 30 minutes. He's ahead in the polls but IS NOT going to run. Don't get me wrong, I like that he's getting out there and saying what he's saying, but he really needs to watch his ego. I senced it all being more about him than about the revolution and his country. This is how I saw it and what I felt and I am seriously bummed out. He blew it in my opinion.
Yes, and why not endorse Ron Paul when he was running? Not a true patriot.
HOW DARE YOU!!
not a true patriot?!?!
The guy gave at least 14 years of his life devoted to public service. As a mayor,a Governor,and as a Navy Seal.
What have you given for your country that compares to this? I will bet NOTHING!!!
Easy for you to sit behind your computer and pop off,as an armchair patriot. You make me want to puke.
His daughter is sick,his wife has a disease,he had ZERO visible support from us,and you want to come behind him and kick him in the nuts with this insult.
Did you sign the petition? Did you write his publisher? Did you write HQ? Did you call HQ? Did you write Ron Paul? Did you even respond to the many threads that were made about him?
No, you didn't. Why? Because you are an armchair patriot,which is the equal to not being a patriot.
You should be mad at yourself and HQ for not getting behind this guy,not Jesse Ventura.
Jesse Ventura left more patriotism in the toilet this morning,than you could muster in a lifetime.
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"My role in the revolution is to wake up the lemmings of this country, who sit back and accept the pablum the media feeds them"
Jesse Ventura
Ventura/Paul 2008
relax relax relax
I really like Jesse. He lead the media and all of us on the Alex Jones show to believe that he was going to run for senate. Why did he then say that he wasn't going to run? What's the point all of that? I think he's great and was so excited to hear him come out and talk against the system. But, what was the point of the potential run and then sudden let down? Were you not a little bummed out last night? I'm just keeping it real here....
This video is old... I
This video is old... I remember watching it months ago...?
DID
Did Ron Paul "officially drop out"?
The correct terminology
I'm sure that I'll be accosted later for saying so, but the correct terminology is that he suspended his campaign. He could reactivate his campaign, for example if the Good Lord does us a favor and McAIPAC swallows his tongue while sleeping.
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No.
He only stopped campaigning.
He'll be back, watch for him -- "Ron Paul, Back With A Vengeance Tour".
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> Further curiosity <
Intriging...
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If Paul doesn't eek out the
If Paul doesn't eek out the nomination and we end up with Obama for the next four years. We need to begin drafting him for a run in 2012. In order to do this we need a party. So there it is you figure it out.
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Problematic--although I
Problematic--although I support Baldwin, I still favor our own party. There would be more unity, better fine tuning of the message.
We have lots of time to do it, and perhaps could even make some noise by 2010. If the Green, Constitution, and Libertarian parties can get ballot access, so can a Ron Paul party.
We have to keep moving forward. Why not our own party?
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State parties by 2010, national party by 2012. Hopefully there is still something left of this country by then.
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He sounds better and better
He sounds better and better all the time. He talks like he will probably run for something next time.
Hope so!
"The first thing a man will do for his ideals is lie"
-Joseph A. Schumpeter
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did he say if he is going to run for the senate
He was on Larry King tonight
No. He is not going to.
His comment about impeachment is gold!
Dammit, why hasn't Ron co-sponsored Dennis' bill yet? I guess he still has an ugly trace of partisanship in him...
It is not partisanship
there are other reasons he has not called for impeachment.
Oops wrong thread...
this comment is for his appearance on AJ on today. See: http://www.dailypaul.com/...
Jesse is just...
a patsy to try and take over the Revolution that Ron Paul started. He will use it for his own benefit...
after his 'Christians are week kneed', statement that he make while he was governor of Min. he shows that he really does not care about what makes this county great...which is GOD's blessing. i would never vote for a non-Christian...and most Christians will not vote for a non-Christian either.
Mr. Christopheer X
Brother, go to http://www.tektonics.org if you feel the need to debate Atheists and the like. There is a time and place for evangelism, but right now is the time to unite for what our founding fathers united for...Liberty, liberty to open-air preach and the right to...reject belief. So don't get side tracked we need to move forward with getting liberty minded people in office so we can retain our freedoms.
Lord bless you,
Warren
ummm...my comments...
were not about debating non-Christians. it was a comment on whether or not i would ever support Jesse Ventura. re-read my post. as for the reasons why...if some people cannot handle the truth, it is not my fault.
like i said...no one has yet answered how and why Jesse had a book ready to go about a "Revolution", at the same time Ron Paul's book came out. it would seem to me that Jesse was trying to overshadow Ron Paul to take away from the attention of Ron Paul's book on the NYT bestsellers list. it would also seem that if Jesse is not willing to jump in with both feet and support Ron Paul in the "Revolution", that he is either trying to divide the "Revolution", or just plain capitalize off of it. if he really saw the debates and liked Ron Paul...why did he not say so...say, at the times of the debates, when Ron Paul could have used a popular boost with voters???
Jesse is not making sense in what he is doing.
Good Questions
But if you are like me, Ron Paul's integrity is what won me over and I don't think an honest person who is informed will care about what stunts JV is pulling. OK enough, I have a message to spread. Liberty.
Later bro
integrity....
yes...more ought to have some...