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UPDATED - Gold & Silver Government SMACKDOWN! Don't worry...

So maybe you're worried because you saw one of the worst days in U.S. economic history and you own metals. You saw Gold surge to $987 an ounce... up almost $17 after a great day yesterday... looked at the Dollar go down uniformily and everything looked great.

THEN.... mysteriously... Gold gets smacked down to $969 while the dollar was still down and you wonder what the hell is going on here???

Let me tell you (and you shouldn't be surprised).... the Fed smacks it down artificially right after the London market closes (hmmmm) to SCARE you away from owning metals....

If you own metals and watch prices daily, you better have a strong stomach! Try not to worry too much though... just be patient....
I'm sure you already have seen the beginning of the rush... everywhere you look you see the commercials... "Sell us your unwanted jewelery!" .... its only getting started...
There will be a day where the public is saying "I HAVE to buy metals" and that is the day where YOU want to be the person on the corner selling it!

Have faith folks!!

UPDATED - They're at it again! - Gold goes from about $980 to $960 in minutes while Bernanke is saying that we're screwed until at least 2009. It just blows my mind how OBVIOUS it is that when as soon as the London market closes, they smack down the prices. So evident and shameful. I think today is a good day to buy!

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This Gold Rush seems like another boogeyman

I've lived through several boogeymen:

1980's: the Japanese were gonna buy up America (when actually the Dutch had been buying US land 100x more for decades)

1990's: urban crime was gonna destroy the infrastructure (when actually crime was going down that decade)

2000: Y2K was gonna wipe out our computer systems (when actually it was nothing)

So now we *must* buy gold...because...our economy is going to collapse?

Let me tell you something conspiracy people. If there is one conspiracy you need to believe in, it is that the powers that be want us working as much as possible with little distraction as possible. They would never disrupt our apathetic work-lifestyle, because many of us would wake up and challenge them. Sure they lie to us to get us to go to war and pay more taxes and stuff...but they always lie to us in a way that doesn't disrupt our apathy...in fact, they get us to go along with whatever they are doing.

But they can't destroy an economy without destroying our apathy. And Americans, dispite what many believe, still has a rugged individualistic culture. We won't fold like Russia, Germany, etc.

So if the economy is gonna fold...great. Americans need to rediscover their love of home building, argriculture, militia, building communities, etc.

Also, instead of buying gold, you should pay off all your debts first, get an education first, buy land first, etc. If the sh!t hits the fan, it WON'T be a major breakdown, it'll just be problems with employment and cost of living. And having no debt and a good education will help you out 100 times more than a pocket full of Swiss gold coins.

No Conspiracy

I don't think there is a conspiracy to collapse the dollar. In fact I think the financial elite and their politician puppets would stop it if they could. But they can't. Their fiat money shenanigans have finally run them up against an iron law of economics - you can't create wealth by printing money. And there is no more real wealth and no way to get more. At least not without a slow and painful rebuild process.

They have looted the country and destroyed our work ethic in the process. The bills are coming due and we have nothing to pay them with. The government will go on trying to pay with funny money, but the day will come when that will not work. And it will come soon. And then the dollar will be worthless.

When the currency collapses, there will be barter. But guess what? Barter sucks. It is terribly inefficient. That's why money was invented. So when the currency collapses and forces us into a barter economy, the market will quickly issue its own currency. And it isn't going to be diplomas or land. It will be what it always has been - gold and silver. If things get bad enough, it will also probably be things like cigarettes, ammo, and canned goods.

This is not speculation. This is history repeating itself. Fiat currencies fail. Always. Gold and silver are money. Always. Use this information how you wish.

So

Does anyone have any advice about mining company stocks? I've been watching Pan American Silver (NASDAQ:PAAS), Jaguar Mining (NYSE:JAG) and a few others. The share price seems to have a pretty clear correlation with the metals price, but I'm not sure how I can expect them to perform with the stock market the way it is.

This is a great

thread, thanks. I am new to this and even I can see what they are doing. It just makes me wonder how people who have been dealing for years when did they first see the obvious manipulation begin on precious metals? Peace

Magic De-Bolding Fairy Visits

While the information in this thread is important indeed, the Happy De-Bolding Fairy is stopping by for a quick visit to return the thread to regular type.

And with a wave of the wand... PING!

If only we could get rid of Bernanke so easily.

Hi Magic Fairy!!!

Hi there Magic Fairy!!
How did you do that??
Do you have Magic powers???
If so... PLEASE get rid of Helicopter Ben.... & Bush, Cheney, Rice, Wolfowitz and the rest of them (thanks for getting rid of Rumsfeld & Powell by the way)

"Whether you think you can or think you cannot, you're absolutely right!"

My concern..

What happens when Big Bro tries to take it all away? When only criminals have guns and only 'terrorists' own/buy gold and silver?

Will the Gov. go after independent buyers who can only afford a few ounces a month or will they go after the coin dealers first? Will they let the licensed dealers stay open and crack down on individuals trading for FRN's for rent?

I do not have the mind for the stock market... (Yet, But I am studying). But I do have enough common sense to know that something that has held the same value for over 6000 years will likely hold value for the next 60 years of my life.

I don't know...

but I do know a time will come when the Gov't will take the opportunity away from us (AGAIN) to own precious metals... its written in the (UN)Patriot(ic) Act.
They can go into your saftey deposit boxes and take your guns and metals... OH YES... they'll pay you for them.... in worthless FRN's that you can use to build your fires...

"Whether you think you can or think you cannot, you're absolutely right!"

Financials have been doing this for awhile

The last purchase of silver I made was $19.82 right before its high. Then the US market started making it drop like a rock. I noticed the same thing as the other poster. After Wallstreet closed, the global market ran silver up again and then the next morning, when the US market opened, they drove it back down again. This is obvious manipulation and Wallstreet knows that most of us HOLD silver and can't get the global prices if we want to sell it, only the US market price. They think we are a bunch of fools.

Another thing I've noticed is that Congress, the FED, Wallstreet and the Administration deny that the low dollar and market speculators have anything to do with the price of oil going up and they claim that the price increases are due to supply and demand. Yesterday proved them wrong. At one point during the day, oil was down $10.00 per barrel. The speculators and futures are manipulating the price. The supply and demand theory can't be true because supply and demand yesterday was no different than the day before.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize that they are controlling commodities and are nothing but a bunch of liars.

lol they tried to bust it

lol they tried to bust it down today but they are not having much success!
this is funny!

as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD

Thanks Sierra!

I dodn't think it was that funny until you said that.... I guess its pretty funny when you know in your heart that they're going to fail!

"Whether you think you can or think you cannot, you're absolutely right!"

Whose worried?

___________

Lisa C.

“Elections are short term efforts; revolutions are long term projects.”

--Ron Paul

Join the rEVOLution here: http://www.campaignforlib...

That's funny...

You know I'm glad you're not worried... you shouldn't be...
I started this thread because everytime Gold & Silver gets "smacked down"... people start freaking out... especially the ones that are new to the metals... so I was trying to be proactive... looks like it worked!! No topics with people freaking out!!

"Whether you think you can or think you cannot, you're absolutely right!"

Or not many who own gold.

I've had years of smacks.

Be right and sit tight.

___________

Lisa C.

“Elections are short term efforts; revolutions are long term projects.”

--Ron Paul

Join the rEVOLution here: http://www.campaignforlib...

Sorry Lisa...

I know what you mean (I think).
After a while you kind of get used to it, huh?
I've learned over the past year that cliches are made for a reason.
"What doesn't kill you makes you stronger" is the one that really could not be more precise.
Hang in there girl!

"Whether you think you can or think you cannot, you're absolutely right!"

Regarding naked shorts ...

It was a smoke screen. They are in pursuit of evidence that it occurs. They will be studying the trade data from today with a fine tooth comb.

They are not even sure if other parties do the same thing that they do.

It was an admission of guilt more than anything else.

WAHOR!!

We all have our roles!

Glad you explained WAHOR below!
Maybe you could use "We all hide our rifles!"
LOL

"Whether you think you can or think you cannot, you're absolutely right!"

I will stick with mine but ...

I do like yours as well.

WAHOR!!

Okay Dumb Question here...Gold and Silver

How do we know that one day, the Government(s) who manipulate the price of metals, will not be able to continue to do so any longer? Couldn't they just continue the practice forever?

Not a dumb question....

With the dollar collapsing and the end of our economy as we know it on the horizon.... they can't.
Bottom line is.... they're broke!

"Whether you think you can or think you cannot, you're absolutely right!"

They are obviosly broke now

yet here we sit contemplating National Health-Care, which would require borrowing and/or monetary inflation- especially if we are talking covering illegals as well as uncovered Americans....plus "National" this that and the other thing and now even an apparent "blank check" (on the citizens of course if used) to bail-out Fannie and Freddie just as the previous bail-out of Bear Stearns tips toward costing taxpayers now. Still, they manipulate somehow or another.

That's the worst part!

If the American public KNEW that every time the Fed "bails out" a bank... they do it with OUR MONEY!!!

If everyone knew this, people would STORM D.C.!!

"Whether you think you can or think you cannot, you're absolutely right!"

money created out of thin

money created out of thin air that devalues the dollars that we worked hard for and paid taxes on becomes worth less and less!

as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD

So if we just added 5 Trillion $$$....

to our National Debt and we'll pay for it in the form of inflation later... does that mean my Gold is worth $1,800 an ounce now??

"Whether you think you can or think you cannot, you're absolutely right!"

It used to trade on par with platinum.

___________

Lisa C.

“Elections are short term efforts; revolutions are long term projects.”

--Ron Paul

Join the rEVOLution here: http://www.campaignforlib...

Real Price of Silver/Gold

For fun, I did an analysis of gold and silver based on the inflation figures on shadowstats.com where they use the same formulas the government used to use prior to 1983. I estimated a rough interest rate for each year from 1983 until the current year (4%, 5%, 5%, 2.5%, 2.5%, etc.). I gave gold and silver a base cost of $300 per ounce and $5 per ounce respectively. This was, I believe, a conservative estimate given their historical prices and trying to ignore the spike of the early eighties. Looking at the fact that every year the dollar has lost value due to inflation since 1983, the price of gold and silver should naturally increase. Admittedly, there will be some error in my figures as I am estimating based on the graphs presented and not the actual figures, and also this will not take into account changes in production of gold and silver in the interim.

Here are the results:

Using the government inflation figures, gold should be worth $665.15 and silver should be worth $11.09. That seems to be in line with those who think silver and gold are overvalued.

HOWEVER, using the actual CPI figures that were calculated prior to 1983, gold should be worth $1763.64 and silver should be worth $29.39. This is based on a low starting point of $300 and $5 respectively.

(edit) I can send a spreadsheet out if you are curious how I arrived at these exact numbers, but these are merely estimates and not meant to be precise.

No spreadsheet needed... great research!

"Whether you think you can or think you cannot, you're absolutely right!"

Ahhh yes

they do, helping to create that little buy low, sell high cycle that I play daily. But in reality it is not just the Fed. They are a miniscule part of it. There are numerous factors involved in this cycle. Far to numerous to mention all of them here.

Naked Short Selling in SLV and GLD...

is their methodology. This is illegal as the ETF's were licensed to be backed by a set portion of physical metal for each share outstanding from treasury stock. Normal short selling requires that the seller "borrow" already issued and outstanding shares, backed by inventoried metal at a prescribed ratio, from their broker to sell into the market.

Again, these should be already issued and outstanding shares and are backed by the requisite metal. Instead we have illegal naked short selling where non-existent shares, un-issued from treasury and unbacked by metal, are being used to to depress the price that would be apparrent if all of these phantom illegal shares that are trading disappeared.

All day long they have shown their fear over the use of such an artifice to ruin IndyMac and they will do something about naked shorting in the financial's in the near future.

Hopefully the silver-bugs will initiate legal actions against the fund managers for allowing such manipulation as we will see and end to such manipulation.

Don't worry...the space shot is coming.

**“The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them.” ~ Mark Twain **

Sorry if my point was not clear.

Thank you.

WAHOR!!

What's a wahor?

**“The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them.” ~ Mark Twain **

Here ...

Rhino...

Can you please tell me what is "WAHOR" ?

per Rhino @ LLF...

We All Have Our Roles!

Professor Bernardo de la Paz

Could you imagine if they enforced the "no naked shorts"

policy concerning precious metals ETFs like they just did to Fran & Fred?

WAHOR!!

That would be suicide for them!

"Whether you think you can or think you cannot, you're absolutely right!"

Yes, it's been admitted

that the MMT(Metals Manipulation Team) is a part of the overall PPT(Plunge Protection Team), that the gov't uses to keep its house of cards afloat.

you hit the nail on the

you hit the nail on the head! good post crazy! everytime i see it get whacked I hope my like minded liberty loving patriots are taking advantage of the gift they are being offered to purchase, or purchase more!
reading Ted Butler since 2003, I know just about when these things will occur.. he always hits it with the COT's reports! I know what they are doing and some day soon they won't be able to... when that day comes I'm going to go buy my island... probably KUAII! when the metals get smacked down it is a gift take advantage of it! GOLD IS CHEAP! SILVER IS OUTRAGEOUSLY CHEAP! with the money that will be made in metals,
it will help support to rebuild after the socialists programs of the last 80 years are destroyed!

as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD

Thanks Sierra!

I totally agree with you on how Silver is WAY below true value...
Historically... Silver was 16 to 1 to Gold and today its about 50 to 1!!
Silver is hard to come by right now and we use alot more Silver in the marketplace than Gold and has alot more upswing potential than Gold.
My portfolio is about 65% Silver & 35% Gold. But if Big Brother is reading this post... I sold it all yesterday!!!!

"Whether you think you can or think you cannot, you're absolutely right!"