Birth Certificate questions

That is the only record needed for now. REFUSE the SSN.

And get the people attending the birth to sign a notarized document that your child is your child, and that he/she was born at date/time X at location Y. Then get that thing framed, laminated, digitally scanned, and stashed in a hyper-safe place.

Get mutliple birth certifcate copies from the state. Get them scanned and saved off also.

Passport without SSN is not a problem.

Medical insuracne can be done without a SSN. My son is on mine without one and has had no issues with mutliple companies since brith.

You lose tax benefits, big deal. The rest of the stuff can be dealt with later.

It’s not as big a deal as you think I used to be very gung ho about this stuff and studied and researched it quite intensely for many years and applied some of it in my life. It made very little difference and mostly made things much tougher because of the ignorance that abounds.

I don’t buy the adhesion contracts argument anymore because you are not legally or lawfully bound by any contract that was not fully disclosed up front. So you cannot enter into a contract by deception or unwittingly. There are simple methods of informing the supposed contracted parties of such non-disclosure nullifying any implied contract.

I understand the sentiment behind what you want to do but still it will change little because government will still assume jurisdiction because they have no understanding. Doing this sort of thing is not what will change things for the better, educating enough of the masses and getting involved in the political process and taking the reins is what will. So I would not sweat it too much.

Having said that if you refuse to sign the forms for a SSN or name the child at the hospital they will try and intimidate you by saying you can’t take the child home or what ever they come up with, but they have no jurisdiction. If you stand your ground there is nothing they can do legally, you just have to politely insist they give you your child. If they get out of hand you can threaten to call the police for kidnapping. Check the laws in your state it is possible they could have slipped some statute in requiring this albeit unlawfully.

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Trouble is when you go to get your first job, and also when you get your driver's license. I don't know how folk like the Amish or Indians on the reservations deal with issues like this, but possibly whatever they do might work for us. Once again, I find myself thinking of the free state project, but I think more in community terms, and no I do not mean socialism, I mean the old ways of neighbor helping neighbor, of their own individual choosing.

We just had a baby in the hospital after being transferred by the midwife due to complications. We refused to name our baby to the birth certificate records person. We have a certification with a blank first name, blank middle name and only a last name. We also did not sign the certificate.

is it possibly to erase my child's ss#? I had no idea this would be an issue or would have never done it. Also wouldn't you have to show proof of birth certificate for a passport even if they didn't need a ss#?

No humans can govern other humans without consent and contract. Today's Corporate American government is not the original government of the United States. When every child is born the birth certificate and SSN are essentially contracts that parents unwilling get into with the government over their property (your child). Your child, with understanding of the law of water, will basically be able to do anything he wants within the realm of common law (law of the land). This means that unelected officials will have no authority over him, police officers, CIA agents, FBI, etc will no be able to impose their will upon him. Only sheriffs will be able to dictate to him (because they are elected) and even when they do they are not allow to fine him for violations. Oh and by the way, he can kiss taxes goodbye. Income, property, licenses, anything that the government "requires" is essentially null and void. Oh, and judges and courts are null and void as well.

I plan on trying to get myself out of the government cancer.

I reserve the right to govern myself.

Another question... what is a "Family Bible Record" that is referenced as an alternative to birth certificate. Is it just an entry in a bible, or is it something specific?

baptizm without a record also. They now have access to this information also.

had their last two children without both. Of course, they homeschool, so that isn't a problem. They had a home birth, and even though the midwife of one was legal, one doesn't have to send in the filled out birth certificate the midwife fills out. In the old days, the proof of birth was just written in the family Bible, with signatures of those who attended. (I suppose one doesn't need a Bible, just the written information and signatures). They only had one temporary problem when one needed a doctor's visit. The idiot receptionist when making the appt., couldn't make an appt. because she couldn't get past the ssn on the computer screen, when my daughter said "just put in 000-00-0000". And it worked, and the child got his appt. When people came over to our country to emigrate years ago, they needed a certificate of baptism at Ellis Island. My husband's father did when he came over. That was all.

You absolutely can get a passport for your child w/o a ssn. If you look at a passport application there will be more info. This isn't a problem.

You may have read the information at this link in a previous thread...

http://teamlaw.org/family...

The Record of Live Birth is the kicker. Become a mid-wife...of course, that's easy to say.

at least a thousand years ago when I go mine, the first one required a birth certificate.
We seriously considered doing the smae with our son, who was born at home. We caved in to the notion that such a life-altering decision should not be made without his consent, which he clearly could not give. I regret it, at 25 years old and wide awake about what is really going on, he wishes with all of his heart that we had NOT let anyone know he existed.

It would be an odd life, home schooling would be a must. Traditional healthcare is out of the question, try to befriend a sympathetic, retired physician with giant balls. No financial transactions would be possible in their name. They would basically be in a shadow world, but they would be free in a way you and I can only imagine. A go-between set of friends would be required, and the more people you bring in on such a secret, the harder to hold the secret. However, a child so isolated from society would need a very strong support group, if a small one.

In the end, I suspect you will cave as we did. I wish I could paint you a rosy picture and tell you "go for it" because I believe it is what needs done. I cannot even convince my daughter to skip the SSN on my budding grandbaby.
Consdier the very title of the beast: A Birth Certificate.
If the birth occurred, is not the fact there is a human here "certification" enough?