~Democrats Say Ron Paul VP~
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Now that Hillary appears to be out of the picture and Barack Obama has turned his attention to defeating John McCain, it's time to start contemplating who Obama should pick as his Vice President.
I'll cut to the chase. While many people are pining for Hillary (she wouldn't' take it if offered and Obama would be out of his mind to offer it), Joe Biden (not a bad choice, at least he calls out Republicans for the corrupt bastards they are), or any of the other soon to be political V.P. flavor of the month, there's another intriguing choice.
Ron Paul.
Here me out. While Ron Paul is a Republican and former Libertarian, he has more in common with Libertarians than the current Republican Party platform of tax cuts for the rich, tax cuts for companies outsourcing U.S. jobs, perpetual wars, spying on American citizens, etc.
Furthermore, Libertarians have much more in common with Democrats than Republicans. The main difference is that the Democratic Party has historically championed larger government through social programs. The Libertarian Party believes in smaller government and protecting personal freedoms. But times have changed and Barack Obama is a different kind of Democrat. While Bush, McCain, and even Hillary have pushed for ignoring or destroying the parts of the Constitution they do not like, Obama's stance is much closer to that of a Libertarian. He's for protecting individual rights and not spying on citizens.
Paul has much more in common with Barack Obama than his current Republican Party. Both Obama and Paul want to bring about drastic changes in Washington. They both want to end the Iraq war, want a smaller government with balanced budgets, fix the health care problem, end lobbyist control, eliminate pork and earmarking, etc.
Their solutions can deviate wildly from one another, but one thing Obama and Paul both share is a passion for this country. Unlike Hillary, who says we need to "be real" when we discuss our hopes for the future then says everything will be great if she is elected, Obama and Paul have both been honest when discussing our future. They both are candid about the problems facing us, and that the issues will get worse in the foreseeable future. We need someone like that who has a plan to fix things and won't bury their head in the sand claiming things are great. And while John McCain says "there will be many more wars, my friends, many more wars", and that talking to Iran is "giving in to terrorists", both Obama and Paul want to avoid an Iran war, while McCain and Hillary have both openly said they are in favor of war with Iran. Paul doesn't even want us to have troops overseas, period. Obama wants our troops out of Iraq asap.
I also have a hard time believing an Obama Administration would manufacture evidence to go to war. We can already see McCain doing just that, and he's not even President. As Joe Biden recently said, there are only three options for our relationship with Iran: Talk to them, go to war, or maintain the unacceptable current situation. McCain has ruled out number one, that makes McCain's calls for bombing Iran seem all the more inevitable if he becomes President.
One other plus that Paul would bring to Obama would be the 5-19% of the Republican vote Paul has consistently received in the Republican primaries and caucuses. Of course, not all of those voters are likely Republicans, many are independents and some are Democrats, but for any true Republican, Ron Paul's platform is the traditional Republican core values - smaller government and lower taxes. That's much more appealing than John McCain's Neo-Con values of "Less Jobs, More Wars".
Realistically, a Vice President doesn't have a huge impact on a President's policies in office. In most cases the V.P. is a ceremonial figurehead, think Cal Ripken Jr.'s backup, they will likely never get in the game, but they do offer some protection. If the President becomes incapacitated, the V.P. would theoretically carry on with similar stances on the issues. But a V.P. like Ron Paul could have a larger role in changing Washington for the better than any V.P. in history. With his passion and constant search for the truth, Ron Paul, who would be the head of the Senate, casting the deciding vote on any ties, would be a champion of the American people and Barack Obama. He would be the best point man America could have watching over our Senate. And he would be a nightmare for a corrupt Senate who care more about personal pork earmarking than passing bills that help Americans.
The bottom line is, while there are differences between Obama and Paul, their similarities and passion for this country, as well as their history of working with others and just plain common sense overcome what on the outside looks like an odd marriage.
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Anonymous said...
I agree Obama should pick Ron Paul, for a number of reasons.
1. Obama has run on the platform of reform and unification what better way than to pick a vp from across the isle.
2. Ron Paul is mild mannered and would not detract from Obamas leading roll.
3. If the powers that are want to try another Kennedy stunt with Obama they will be less inclined to do so Knowing Ron Paul is the replacement and not LBJ.
4. Ron Paul has captured the hearts and minds of defecting white republicans and would bring them to any ticket he is on.
5. A salt & pepper team if you will. Unite the parties, unite the people and unite our country.



















You serious?
Obama wants smaller government with balanced budgets as well? Obama wants to increase government programs, which means increased spending. That means bigger government as well just in case you didn't know.
I don't want to say the T word here, but I can't help but think that this is just someone trying to come up with a reason to get Ron Paul supporters to vote for Obama.
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the other way
I am not the author of this artcle.
This is dems talking and I only posted it here.
We are going after Obama people trying to make new converts which is much easier now after FISA
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Advise?
Put the article in blockquote so that people understand that you didn't write it.
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good idea
thank you
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Sorry, but no!
First off, the only VP to actually have real influence over things is Cheney. That was not by accident, it was made that way so his agenda could be done. They are not going to allow Ron Paul to do his agenda if he's VP for Obama.
Ron Paul would have no voice anymore. They would not want him out talking like he is now. He is better suited being a congressman. His voice will be louder and he will have more freedom to do what he needs to do.
Your premise is right but
Your premise is right but your facts are short. Just look at Bush41 and LBJ.
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hard not to agree with you
I agree.
But raisng this possibility in the MSM would provide a lot of healthy coverage and bring new members into CFL.
I want big numbers of democrats to join CFL.
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Paul would never side with Obama.
Nor would Obama choose Paul.
lets send Obama Ron's book
I have an idea.
Lets send some copies of Revolution a Manifesto to Obama campaign staff key people.
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Ron Would Refuse
What makes you think that Ron would throw away his desire to end the warfare/welfare state and restrain big government with the constitution?
I say this not as an American "clinging to guns and the bible", but as an unarmed British atheist. A former card-carrying-communist who gave up cool aid for mayday.
I think alot of people like Obama because he is slick operator. Like him or loathe him, he is not a dumbass.
I agree with Jesse Jackson that the best course of action may be to "cut his nuts off".
Wasn't that little jerk-of-the arm absolutely priceless?
-"Ron Paul cured me of my predilection for Che Guevara T shirts."
Brit I am with you 100%
this is a revolution and nothing will stop us until we win.
Lets take those brooms and Clean the House!
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Ron Paul is totally opposite
Ron Paul is totally opposite of Democrats, he wouldn't accept VP from Democrats.
Why would he join the problem of big government socialist. He's trying to fix the problem.
I would not give Democrats any credit, they are just as screwed up as the Repubs have become if not more.
Paul and Barr would be nice ticket, so would Baldwin and Paul.
These would be more likely.
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Ron Paul wouldn't sully his reputation to even discuss this tripe! Nor should we!
True and true. But should
True and true. But should the Dems?
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Stretchin it
Come on now...this is ridiculous....
1. As if Ron Paul would even accept the nomination
2. They would not agree an any policy, (foreign, monetary, war)
Why don't you wish in one hand and shit in the other and see which one fills up first...and then come and broadcast your ridiculous schemes to get Ron Paul in office under a socialist....
Knee jerk reaction? Look,
Knee jerk reaction?
Look, this isn't a scheme. Some Dems really feel this way. They my be off kilter but at least they are looking at Paul and I would not discourage it. We know what the incompatibilities are that's no secret to us or Paul himself. We know this could/would never happen. Not the offer nor the acceptance is tangible. To like it or not is irrelevant. It is a card that was dealt. The question is how do we use it? No one here is suggesting Paul be Obama's VP, merely pointing out that some Dems are making this case to other Dems. This is not a detriment to our cause nor a bane. You must understand this....?
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obama is a globalist
who will sell your country out to the world government. He will tax every member of your family for the global carbon tax and they will use that money to pump CO2 back into the ground they are claiming they have created a microbe that breaks CO2 down to oil. When actually it is a microbe that has always been in the ground. Of course they are going to patent it just like they have gene altered seed. Once the microbes break it down they will pump it out of the ground and sell it back to you for $10 a gallon. Because people fall for the whole we are running out of oil. Don't you know you never lose mass it only changes into a different state its called CO2 and they can convert it back into oil.only its allot more profitable if the tax payers of the world foot the bill for getting it back into the ground. Think about that for just a bit and then realize what they are all fighting for once they use our money to get a process for getting it back into the earth (of course without letting anyone know what they are doing. They will sell the same substance to us over and over and over again and by the time three generations go by they will not even know your grandkids will just think that’s how much gas cost. You wonder why these people will sell their country out its because they think they are setting their grandchildren up for a huge future. Only the joke is just as much on them once they die their kids will get squat. These people are so driven by greed they will never listen to anything you say. What do you offer them a set salary? These people do not care about that. There is no honor in them. No my friend Obama has no Idea what is even going on every decision he makes will actually be done by someone else. He will just read it off a teleprompter and they will pat him on the head "good boy". Get ready to bare witness of the selling off of your nation my friend I doubt you can get enough people together to stop what is coming. People don't want the red pill. It’s too nice in the matrix. We must try to keep ahold of our two cars and our house (oh that’s right everyone is losing their house). Ok their two cars and their tent. We wouldn't want to see people lose that average wage of what is it now what 22 K a year? Ok well after 50% taxes 11 K a year. Yeah its nice in the matrix I can go to the hospital and wait 5 years to get that heart transplant. Well I could get it if they hadn't given me only 3 years to live. Get ready folks we are getting ready to see a nightmare.
Tru believer,
Did you just say that YOU need a heart transplant?
obama is weak man,
obama is weak man, controlled by the elite.
under such circumstances Ron can accomplish much more outside of that administration.
agreed
CFL can become the most powerful force in the country.
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I have been waiting for this ...
I have been praying for this ...
I wish, oh how I wish.
Obama/Paul
McCain/Liberman
WAHOR!!
Oh stop. lol
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you have to be kidding!
you have to be kidding! right.
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
Obamas
Controllers would never allow that. Obama doesnt want change! He is for more of the same bullshit!
I started laughing and
I started laughing and stopped reading after
" He's for protecting individual rights and not spying on citizens.
Paul has much more in common with Barack Obama than his current Republican Party. Both Obama and Paul want to bring about drastic changes in Washington. They both want to end the Iraq war, want a smaller government with balanced budgets, fix the health care problem, end lobbyist control, eliminate pork and earmarking, etc."
LOL
yes the article was written before FISA
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Dr Paul & the Socialist's Socialist?
I'm sure Dr Paul is red with laughter upon hearing that one. I can see him bent over holding onto a chair for support; family saying "breath in, Ron!"
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
laughter is healthy
I can see Ron bend over laughing his head off in the organic tomato garden of his.
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Treg! Awesome!
Heres to ya!
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Don't you people realize that Obomba doesn't choose his VP?
That is done by the head of the CFR and I can't remember his name for the life of me.
That decision has probably already been made at the Bilderberg meeting in June.
Tell that to the Dems. Maybe
Tell that to the Dems. Maybe they'll wake up and realize they've been duped.
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that would be
Fortune Favors the Bold
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You lost me at
You lost me at "Both Obama and Paul want to bring about drastic changes in Washington."
I don't think Obama is going to change anything at all, not one bit. Nothing. He's full of promises but we see how Fisa turned out. I'm not buying what's being sold here.
"The wicked flee when no man pursueth, but the righteous are as bold as a lion."
Ron Paul on the Inside? Now thats cool !
Plus as VP he would be in the Senate..... Dr No in the Senate, now thats cool!
I would love it, I hope Dems keep thinking good about Dr Paul's Messages and he is right, Libertarians have more in common with the Left then the Right. Indeed, Libertarians where born of the Left and only back at the turn of the century 1900 did a large majority go Marxist/Socialist... the few remaining Patriot Libertarians ran from FDR and had now one else to hang out with but the conservatives. But now that Marx & Socialist ideas are waning out from the Left, Libertarians are more appealing to those on the Left. Cartoonist and liberal democrat Ted Rall calls for Dems to support the 2nd Amendment. Others call for welfare that does not create dependency" and you and I know that it takes only a tiny bit to create dependency so the new democrats can't be for much public welfare either. I have found that all my liberal dem friends HATE "dependency", especially "institutional dependency" where by the "poor soul" is so "crippled by hooking up to the public system" that they cannot "get off" the "welfare drug". Notice, not once was "taxes" mentioned or "big govt bureaucracy" used? Those are conservative buzz words.... but for liberal dems to get to the same place, they need those buzz words to get there.
Its time we all go have happy hour with all the liberal dems we can find. Break bread with them, and use the right buzz words to get them on a firm libertarian position.
Sometimes I have had the good fortune and chance to speak at a black church.
With black audiences, for me "reverse psychology" is the best way to go--- at least so far for me getting my libertarian message across. I am white man and bald, so the immediate suspicion of me starts before i open my mouth to spread the libertarian word of individualism and freedom from government.
So I dress in a dark blue suit and tie, wear dark shades, and have an ear piece in one ear with a black cord going down into the neck of my shirt. I "look all secret service", FBI, ... governmental. Next to me is a big sign that says, "Get Your GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS Today".
A inside black friend who invited me to his church introduces me to the crowd. He is my foil. He will introduce me as a "Caring Government Guy, With Plenty of Government Programs for us, the Kind we need more of"
Then I will say, "Thank you"
He will say, "So I know you have GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS to tell us about... But you are from, big government, The White House even, so please tells us what you all up there are planing for us"
I say, "Ok"
He says, "Now don't just Sweet Talk these Government Programs. Don't tell us how Gooood they are are. TELL US WHAT YOU GUYS UP AT THE VERY TOP --- THINK about these Government Programs. Don't hold nothing back now. Just tell us what you REALLY THINK."
I say, "What we REALLY THINK??"
He Says... "Yes, give it to us straight, no sweet talking now."
I say, "But you all will ..intro....Me"
He Says, "WHAT ? We will NOT INTERRUPT YOU, (turning to the audience) Right? Can I get an Amen? Ok, see give it to us straight now. We will NOT interrupt you. You just go on and TELL US WHAT YOU GUYS IN GOVERNMENT -- REALLY THINK"
SO I start with "I CARE, YES I REALLY CARE about black people and I come from the Government to help you. I have GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS, JUST FOR YOU". (usually a small laugh, even sometimes some small random clapping. I hold up 20 colorful fliers)
My black Friend Interrupts, "Now GIVE IT TOO US STRAIGHT, No SWEET TALKING"
Then I rattle off a list of horrible things. Reading from a paper I say....
"Ok, Yes as you can see I am WHITE, (pointing at my black introducer) but more its more important for your Black Butt to SIT DOWN and listen UP, because YES I am from the White House, The Congress, The Government, Uncle Sam, ---- I am Whitey, "The MAN", and you NEED me because I have GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS for You.
OK, I will give it to you straight. You want the truth? (Then I through up into the air all the colorful Government Papers I have been holding)
Here it is so LISTEN UP............ ( I wait for all the shhhhs, for total silence, then I finally say)
My Government Programs OWNS YOU, OWNS YOUR COMMUNITY, OWNS YOUR SOUL.
You WILL live in the houses that we give you.
You WILL eat the foods we tell you to eat.
WE will give you money for foods APPROVED by us in the Government.
You will use OUR electricity and We will turn it on and off when WE dam well please.
You WILL live right where WE put you, where WE can find you at all times and you WILL have number.
Most of all, You WILL send your children to OUR GOVERNMENT schools. Your cell phone WILL BE monitored and recorded and can be used against YOU at anytime we suspect YOU... of, well, anything.
You will do anything for our GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS. We know this to be true. Its a FACT that you can't live with out them.
Want to travel? We have a government Program that allows you to FLY FOR FREE as we call it. But you will submit to our Rules.
I WILL have my government officials strip search your wives, your daughters and even yours sons, ....We will have big machines PHOTOGRAPH them naked, ...just for our files of course. Birthmarks, tattoos, scares and anything unusual or interestingly odd about your black NAKED bodies WILL be documented in the FILES we will have on each and every one of you.
If you have been in one of our Government Programs already, WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE.
IF any of you break my GOVERNMENT laws, We WILL warehouse you in our Prisons as WE SEE FIT. It may be drugs you justs SOLD, but did not use, that will land your butt into MY Prisons.
It may be something you said, thought about doing, or even some nasty Illegal Black Sex acts that gets you IN JAIL....that or something we just made up.
WE will have the strongest men of your race also arrested. I will release them when I think it is "safe" for society.
We make sure that the famous rich blacks, never lift a charitable hand to help because I will tell them, "I am here providing the food, clothing, and education for you people brotha, you just go on now with your NFL NBA White women that pound your door down each night, I got your people covered for ya!"
CAUSE Your Peoples is MY PEOPLE, always has been and always will be. Just like in the Slavery days....or the hood days, You all belong to ME. I OWN you with GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS.
WE will teach your children as WE see fit,
WE will provide you with WORK and you can call it a "job" but you will
NEVER EVER OWN A BUSINESS of YOUR OWN. If you OWN a Business of your own, WE will require a License for it, then when you get one, we will take it away. If you are Making Money at your business, We will call it --ILLEGAL and Pass Laws against YOU.
You Think you can Cook? You think you can open a Food CHAIN? We will SHUT YOU DOWN.
Think you can Open a Business on Your OWN? We taught you, WE KNOW YOU CAN'T DO IT !!! WE made SURE that you would always, ALWAYS be a WORKER. A Worker for US.
And if we don't have a J O B for you, we have a GOVERNMENT PROGRAM FOR YOU.
WE OWN YOU.
What? You want to be Free?
BULL SHIT.
You WANT GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS.
WE will tell you the place where you will live, and when you are sick WE will send you to get in line at our Government Hospitals to be checked out, vaccinated and sterilized by one of our government paid workers or doctors if you are lucky. You can call it "FREE GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE" ( Laugh hauntingly)
YOU want to live off of "FREE" GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS? Then we need your NAME, Your Address, your social security number, your DNA, all your friends names, all your guns, all your drugs too.
OK, you want it STRAIGHT !!??? You THINK you are Free, but you are Not Free. We WANT you to tie these GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS around your BLACK ANKLES, ......so WE gotta Just where we WANT YOU.
Government Programs OWN you....
At this point my Foil, always a fellow black member of the church who knows this routine & brought me to the church, breaks in and deflects all the HATE coming my way.
He then explains I am NOT from the government ---as I remove my suit jacket and sun glasses etc--- and Tells them that this is all been an "act" a "play" to "get us thinking about the Freedom we Loose, when we submit ourselves to Government".
Its always a fun lively discussion after words -as you could imagine.
The colorful Fliers that I hand out are a Collection of Essays by Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, and DVD video speeches by Richard Boddie.
So my fellow R3VOLUTIONaries and fellow Ron Paul Bots.... Be creative, Spread the Libertarian word of Freedom HOW EVER YOU CAN.
In Peace & Liberty,
Treg
Treg
Do you really do this? How many times? I would love to know the actual response. I think it is a great way to make the point about big brother, cradle to grave, and loss of freedom. Very Creative, and I would guess effective.
loved it
very upllifting story perhaps you could make it an official thread so many more people can read it?
great work Treg!
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Oh my god Treg!
Do you really do that?!?! Because if you do, no matter where you live, I want to come see you perform in person!
Just say NO to "civil rights"!!!
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You're really into fantasy aren't you?
You're really into fantasy aren't you?
Obama's weakness is his military experience and his appeal to whites and women.
Clearly the answer is a white male with military experience who can also counter the image of being a warmonger (like Jim Webb), or an established woman with general appeal to males also... but let's face facts, voters don't vote for the VP, they vote for the president.
Hawr! EVERYBODY wants Paul now!!
Step right up, Ladies and Gentlemen, for the Greatest Political Show On Earth! See the Republicans and Democrats try to lay claim to affiliation with the true Maverick of this election season, and attempt to win the hearts of the supporters of that Master of Economy; that Liberator of Liberty; the Champion of the Constitution: Dr. Ron Paul!!
WATCH as both Parties rush to Dr. Paul's side and claim they knew all along that he was right about that economic thingamajiggy!
GASP as groups fight to win over Paul's supporters to their "side"!!
LAUGH along with true RP supporters as they brush away the wanna-be's and comers who think that if they "talk the talk", we'll believe they "walk the walk"!!
THRILL to the swell and growing movement that is the r3volution!!
think of it
being a chicken in a chicken factory run by folks who just want to make money out of your life and suffering.
This is America this is the planet you live on.
Corporate welfare state fascist state.
Have you read the Animal Farm by George Orwell?
Unless we all wake up we shall all be united in FEMA concentration camps and secret prisons.
No Ron Paul soda there.
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Reference at 2:15 & 3:00 minute mark(s)...
Related reference at 2:15 & 3:00 minute mark(s)...
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Again! It is the Legend!!!
Paul is a genius. Peeling of Obama supporters daily.
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I see where you're going
I see where you're going with this legalize but this would not serve RP in any way even if he accepted which I cannot even imagine he would. I can think of no better trap. Think about how un-empowered RP would be politically. He would be throwing himself and his family to the wolves!
Yes It would "look" great and all those disenfranchised dems would be soooo happy. I couldn't think of a more clever thing for the NWO to do to gain compliance (they would think anyway) but I can't see one single itsy bitsy thing in it for Ron that's good. We are concerned about what's good for Ron too right?
BTW: How do we know he hasn't already turned them down?
NWO has some smart people
I agree Ron could not really take the offer if it was given to him because it would have been a trap for all of us patriots.
It would legitimize the folks behind Obama.
Their game...
But I see this as an opportunity to spread the message.
I want the guy who wrote this piece to join us in CFL and all dems who follow such thought pattern.
And yes its possible that Ron was offered such post.
There is also talk of Ron being the Secretary of State in the new administration.
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In an Obama
In an Obama administration??? SoS seems likely to goto Biden. Treasury Sec. Paul i could see but again not under the establishment candidates.
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Paul is getting BIG
I think SoS is a big possibility
Paul has a presence of the founding fathers and has German roots...
But we must awake dems first so that they press for change as we do in their party.
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Oil and water don't mix...
The ideologies of Ron Paul and obama are diametrically opposed. To say the two names in the same sentence is utterly ridiculous.
Are you saying
that; "the ideologies of Ron Paul and obama are diametrically opposed," is an utterly ridiculous sentence? Hehehe ;)