Stop the Insanity: Time to boycott the DVD website in response to spamming, sleazy tactics
Posted July 18th, 2008 by JackParkman
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I'm the first one to applaud people for taking initiative and launching new projects. I'm also the first to understand that we're a diverse group and we're not always going to see eye to eye. With both those things in mind, I sat back and ignored the spam from supporters of the dvdsfordelegates project for many weeks.
But enough is enough.
You've seen these threads, I'm sure. They have titles like:
"I dropped www.dvds4delegates.com $500.00 last week, and because you are all getting fired up about it, I am gonna drop another $" (by tog2476 on July 17)
"*UPDATE* Okay!! I hear you guys!!!! Will do my best to answer questions regarding dvds4delegates!!!" (by daughter4liberty on July 17)
"Okay, I see it is time to post another dvds4delegates Q&A thread!!!!" (by daughter4liberty on July 17)
"Another disguised post for www.dvds4delegates.com, are we taking up too much room trying to get Ron Paul elected" (by tog2476 on July 17)
Really, none of these posts are appropriate. Creating a thread to "announce" that you've donated money to a project is not newsworthy, even if that's your legitimate intention. When you read these threads, you can tell it's not. They're just giant link-dumps disguised as legitimate discussion. Then the other spammers pile on. "Yeah yeah yeah! You're so awesome is the best thing in the revolution since sliced bread." And many of these posters have signatures (or even more obnoxious, reverse-signatures that enter text BEFORE the post). Some of these signature spammers make pointless posts (like "bump" or some inane comment) simply so they can get their signature out there again.
But I figured it was best to "live and let live." An occasional "tangent" is OK. But the sheer volume of spam, and the sleazy tactics of the spammers, have crossed the line.
Let's look at both angles:
THE SPAM FACTOR
Besides the fact that these people threadjack, spam via signatures (and the even more pathetic "reverse signature"), and insert spam-links wherever they can (even if the thread isn't related to their project), there's so much more that they're up to.
Take tog2476. This guy creates a thread called I dropped www.dvds4delegates.com $500.00 last week, and because you are all getting fired up about it, I am gonna drop another $, which is pathetic enough. Six of the 14 comments on the thread are from tog or fellow spammer daughter4liberty, including some truly insightful comments like "GO TOG!!!!!!!!! WHOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!" and "THANKS GUYS YOU'RE AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!" Those aren't just the subject lines of the posts. They're the entire posts! Oh, wait, let's be accurate. There's other stuff in the posts, but it's just the "signature" which is the same in every post daughter4liberty made around that time. Apparently patting each other on the back and using lots of exclamation points are rituals spammers enjoy.
That post is bad enough. But what did tog2476 do next? He created yet another spam thread just a few hours later. This one, brilliantly entitled "Another disguised post for www.dvds4delegates.com, are we taking up too much room trying to get Ron Paul elected," included multiple self-bumps in the form of "shout outs" to those helping him.
Daughter4liberty is another spammer in this effort. She created two threads with intellectually dishonest titles (
"*UPDATE* Okay!! I hear you guys!!!! Will do my best to answer questions regarding dvds4delegates!!!" and
"Okay, I see it is time to post another dvds4delegates Q&A thread!!!!") within approximately two hours of each other! Was anyone really asking "questions" regarding the site (not counting fake questions from sock-puppets to provide a pretext for another thread)? If so, why weren't they answered on the site? And even if there were such questions, there's no justification for the second thread.
THE SLEAZE FACTOR
Daughter4liberty is out of line for spamming and creating threads, but tog2476 takes the sleaze factor to another level. Take, for instance, this nugget: "sorry for the inconvenience...If you don't like this post you are on the wrong site."
Aside from the fact that he's arrogantly lying with an insincere "apology" for the inconvenience, he then turns around and attacks anyone who would criticize his spamming as not being a true Ron Paul supporter. Tog missed his chance to work for Rudy Giuliani, apparently. This reminds me of "if you're against the war, you're against the troops" and other despicable smears.
Nutjob spammer-ally Liberty_Belle commented: "I choose not to participate in things that we will have plenty of time to discuss in the FEMA camps...but I don't impose my personal will on those threads. Do you have a problem with these positive posts?...then just ignore them! Time is of the essence here...and if you are not willing to be a postitive part of the solution then you are most certainly part of the problem! Is it frustrating to you to not be able to "tase me bro?"
OK there, spaceman.
Then there's wackjob "IamVoting4RonPaul" (also someone behind the divisive attacks on Paul supporters who are considering voting Baldwin or Barr if Paul doesn't get the nomination), who writes: "Now, Agent Parkman, please be honest. You were never going to donate anyway because you're not a Ron Paul supporter. It's pretty obvious that you weren't around for the money bombs...Why do you only show up on the DVD threads?"
Wow. This is just a smörgåsbord of BS. Agent Parkman? I've never donated? I'm not a Ron Paul supporter? I wasn't around for the money bombs? I only show up on DVD threads? I don't think you could be wrong so many times in such a short post without trying REALLY hard. But at least he didn't call me a CIA disinfo agent. Yet.
Right. Point proven.
Perhaps I'm being too rough on the DVD project, and perhaps these bad apples aren't speaking for the project. If this is the case, those officially in charge of the project need to rebuke the actions of TOG, Daughter4liberty, and the other spammers/attackers. Unless and until that happens, it's clear this is a project associated with unstable, unsavory figures and should not be supported.
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You SHOULD be complaining about any and all...
Bob Barr threads on DP! I hope the "dvds4delegates" gang sleazy spams some more!! They stepped up to the plate...like someone else said here...We should be cheering them on!
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you don't know Jack,
When I see words like...sleazy,lying,spammer,wackjob,nutjob,pathetic...
directed at Ron Paul supporter's my 'troll' alarms go off.
Me thinks Jack protests too much
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Me thinks cyndezu is correct.
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Me thinks cyndezu is correct.
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Methinks you're right
Cyndezu!! Let's talk about something else!!
Who took the jelly out of your donut?
I remember when i tried to get the April1st moneybomb going...i kept on posting it everywhere. I started threads solely to remind people when it was and how much longer till it arrives. And their were people like you that actually flagged me for starting a moneybomb thread. I admit I started doing things that made people mad... like starting a thread titled "Mccain accepts Ron Paul's debate challenge"... and then all i wrote was "April Fool's". It was funny to me but people got mad. DVDfor delegates is a good idea... we should have a money bomb just for that.
Semper Fortis
They are in the arena trying to make it happen -
Cheer them on and hit delete.No big deal. Also if you get a message, hit reply and encourage the sender. Let them know the message is reaching the target and to keep up the good work. We're in this together.
Quote:
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. -Teddy Roosevelt
Man I hope I don't make you my enemy but
were you in Safety Patrol back in grade school?
somebody has a turd caught
somebody has a turd caught crosswise!
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
wait
what about the lord? worshiping what?/
lol...... as for me and my
lol......
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
Intensive slam - lot's of effort
That's quite a post, you spent some time on that. You really gave it to folks who are trying to make a difference. If you don't like some one trying hard to make a difference and/or not giving up, just ignore it. It's your right to disagree.
Is it your right to do it here and be negative?
This site is for Ron Paul Revolution efforts.
Seems like the DVD's are a worthy cause.
Why do you oppose a project (albeit maybe could be handled better, but this is volunteer "grass roots") that's trying to make a difference.
Which state are you a delegate or precinct leader JackParkman? What project are you currently heading up?
Posted this earlier. I'm gonna' spam it.
Well, I've sat by and watched the "debate" over the DVDs4Delegates project and I now have a few things to say, so if you don't mind I'm going to post my thoughts and concerns. I've read many reasons why this project should not consistently be posted on the Daily Paul. First of all, I don't believe the frequency of the calls for help or attention to this project have been overwhelming or irritating. Secondly, where else, if not at the DP, can patriots look for help in regards to the various important projects currently in the hopper, not to mention the ones coming down the pike? The DP is home-base which makes it the place for such information and exchange of ideas and concerns. I read one post where the author was comparing the DVD's4Delegtaes project to an Obama4President spammer....really....I actually read that! The project in question is meant to inform the republican delegates of the message that we have been spreading for the past year and a half....which is based on the philosophy that Ron Paul has been spreading for nearly thirty years. Ultimately, spreading the message is our main purpose. should we spread the message to the populous at large? Of course. Should we make a concerted effort to spread this message to those that are meant to represent the populous at large? Absolutely! Delegates are people that take part in the political process for various reasons and I will not speculate what those reasons are. However, the fact that these individuals participate in the political process is why we should be spreading this message to them and more importantly, helping them understand it. Operation St.Paul is also geared toward this effort and I think of the St.Paul operation as a little reminder, to the delegates, of the message that they obtained from the DVD4Delegates project. There is a "big picture" to all of these projects and we must do all that we can to ensure the success of each of them, which will ensure the success of the big picture. Personally, I would rather see 20 DVDs4Delegates forum topics than a plethora of the various obtuse topics regularly posted here at the DP. Instead of posting reasons why the DVDs4Delegates project and future projects shouldn't be frequently posted at the DP, think of reasons why they should. It will make our movement stronger and enhance the success of the projects we use as our weapons for freedom.
"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism."
-George Washington
parkman.... please grow up!
parkman.... please grow up! if you don't like the dvds4delegates don't read the post! its that simple!
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
this is yet ANOTHER of those
this is yet ANOTHER of those threads I wish Michael would 'X' What's the problem with this 'spam' nazi parkman anyway!
the only time I want to see the word Barr on this site is when
www.dvds4delegates.com the newest and possibly the greatest weapon the Revolution now possesses.
it is written like this Jack Parkman has been barred from the daily paul. You are on the wrong site if getting Ron Paul elected is an inconvenience to you. Go away, we have a job to do Jack Parkman. Sorry we wasted 5 minutes of your time by making you close out a thread.
Here is a new project for ya....
it's called "Bullets for Barristers"
Taking all tire weights as donations.
Everyone please listen ...
This call is nothing new.
If you are so called, participate in this DVD drive.
I have found nothing of ill intent with respect to this project.
There have been many calls of this ilk. (this is in reference to the poster)
Do not participate if you do not feel the calling to do so.
Pray, meditate, and decide for yourself.
Do not let this individual be your leader.
WAHOR!!
BUMP
No new content here, move along :)
Good grief
Now I have to worry about my pollingmatrix link now ?
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wow, what an overblown
wow, what an overblown reaction...they were just trying to help and you rip them for trying. come on, lighten up a little. this is the internet....it's wide open, and we should all try our best to keep it that way. calling supporters "spammers and attackers," is nonsense.
DVDs4delegates is a GREAT idea...a very POWERFUL idea that can change the world.
One person CAN change the world. We shouldn't be discouraging them from trying.
"calling supporters 'spammers and attackers,' is nonsense."
Exactly, So everyone should think about that. And think about who is likely to employ such a tactic....
http://groups.yahoo.com/g...
and I can't believe you say
and I can't believe you say "boycott" the website! How ridiculous! You must be on the taxpayers dime.
Seems to me like this is a big IDEA that has legs, and there are those out there trying their best to stop it.
You can't stop us from trying.
OK , OK , OK
HYDROMAN
But I did send them $200 this weekend---------------------------------
Sorry, but this post seems senseless to me.
If you don't like a particular thread, Jack, ignore it. That's all it takes. To tell someone else how to post is against the libertarian platform
:)
The battle today is not between conservatives and liberals or Republicans and Democrats. It is a battle between Americans and globalists. ~ Chuck Baldwin
SPAM by Agent Parkman
Spamming the daily Paul with pointless useless counterproductive threads. I didnt know you alredy posted a stupid thread. This is actually worst than the thread before it. Instigation and trouble making and Cyber Bullying. Cyber gangsterism
Actually this is the type of Posts that grants you a permanent ban.
in the words of the person below me. You are an idiot
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Your an idiot!
So because you can't take responsibility for what you decide to read or not read we should ignore one of the few things that actually can make a difference and let it die... Sigh
Here is a novel idea DON'T READ THE THREADS OF YOU DON'T LIKE THEM!
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I agree that the mutiple posts
are a complete waste of our time. I think the project is a great idea and a worthwhile project but some people have taken it to a point where people will actively avoid it. I will not donate until the noise stops.
Thank you for your reasoned comment
It's good to know that some people on here still have a sense of "enough is enough."
After reading this lovely thread, don't forget the DVDs.
Forget this and support tog -- who worked his butt off at the March handing out information with his little boy.
Please support tog in his efforts in getting Ron Paul DVDs into the hands of GOP delegates.
I don't have to call you a disnfo agent, your post pretty much proves that. I'm trying to help the R3VOLUTION, what are you doing?
Again, I ask you, why do you only show up in posts about the DVDs?
BTW, calling people names isn't very nice.
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What you are saying...
...is boycott Ron Paul's message, which the DVD project promotes. Play nice.
"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism."
-George Washington
That is not what Parkman is saying...
Parkman is clearly a liberty-minded fellow. He clearly supports this freedom movement. Re-read his post, then reconsider your above statement.
On an aside, I do agree that these DVD posts would become white noise for those not as passionate about this particular project. There is a certain viral element to these posts, and whether or not they are productive is another matter.
Look, it comes down to this: observe the proper forum conduct, we can only make ourselves look like immature children with this bickering. Post and let post, its as simple as that. Recognize that the forum topics added each day here should represent the highest in reasoned, civil discussion in our liberty movement, for we are only doing ourselves a disservice by placing limitations on our discussion.
Parkman clearly supports RP because he takes the time to post here, whether or not his topics are enlightening is another issue. End the cycle of bickering once and for all.
Think for yourself. Question authority.
Ignore the naysayers
Please ignore the naysayers. Let me quote one of the heroes of the movement, the great Dr Steve Parent: "WE DID PICK UP THE MAJORITY OF DELEGATES THAN ALL THE OTHER CANDIDATES IN MOST EVERY STATE EXCEPT A FEW."
It is time to unify!!! Dr Steve says we will win this!!!
Hmmmm...
Some of us are still hoping Ron Paul is elected President in 2008....I would rather see 4-5 posts about the DVD project than 4-5 posts about OTHER CANDIDATES...especially since the RNC hasn't been held yet..and this very project is designed to help Dr. Paul...soooo, it doesn't bother me....as a matter of fact, I signed on to help mail out dvd's should the project reach fruition....
i agree with this also
this isnt dailybarr or dailybaldwin, some seem to think so though
Would gettting RP nominated be a "Big Impact"?
3. Understand that this is a big year and the Liberty Movement should try to make a big impact. Accordingly, we shouldn't be attacking each other. We need to stay together, even if we vote different ways, and organize for the future. Angry attacks against fellow Paulites will only hurt this movement and our chances of being a political force now and in the future.
spam
Yes I agree there should be a limit on the amount of self promoting spam on this site. If you want to advertise donate to dailypaul and get a banner ad.