100 items that disappear first in an Emergency
Posted July 21st, 2008 by SIERRAHPBT
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seems a good time to send this around again
to supplement the "doomsday shopping list" thread
In addition to stocking up
In addition to stocking up on food and supplies, what concerns me the most is how to avoid the FEMA "detention centers" during martial law. How the hell do we prepare for that? What makes it especially frightening is the majority of people readily dismiss the grim reality of 800 detention prisons in the US. Government documents (REX 84, Homegrown terrorism Act, etc.) claim these barbwire fenced, armed guard patroled, recently built prisons that are empty are built for illegal aliens. I know it sounds as bizarre as UFOS. I researched it and I suggest you do the same.
Rebel..
I feel your concern, or should I say, I've felt your concern. I decided to quit circling my brain with the Indians of "Future fear" and just prepare when able.
You'll be fine. :)
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I guess it comes in handy living in the boondocks if times get rough.
I went over the list and was kinda surprised at how many things we already have. When you live some distance from "town", you just kinda know that you're on your own during a natural disaster. We'll be the last ones to get power restored, etc. We always keep candes, kerosine lamps, extra TP, water, and all that stuff....Just in case. I buy when stuff's on sale and just stock up. I've stepped it up lately to increase the amounts on hand and started looking into some of the things on the list.
Looks like I've got a head start, but still have work to do.
good for you! just keep it
good for you! just keep it up as finances and time permit!
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
Can I ask how long your supply would last?
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You said you are increasing, so it would be great help if you could tell before you increased and after.
It varies
Non-perishables: I probably have at least a year's worth of most things (TP, deod, soap, toothpaste, paper goods, etc).
Food: What I've got would probably last me about 2 months. Then again, we garden and live in the woods. My freezer is full of stuff that came out of those woods.....My own version of "organic" meat. Wouldn't be that difficult to make it at least 6 months if needed....could go on for a REAL long time if I were a stay-at-home kind of person (which I would become if business got bad enough). I hate canning but have tons of stuff with which to do it....Could do it again if it becomes absolutely necessary.
Water: Have a Big Berkey if push comes to shove for water (and a pond and a creek)....though I do have about 2 weeks worth on hand at any given time.
Anythine else you'd like to know?
Thank you. It helped. So, I think my plan (one month of
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." Benjamin Franklin
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food and two weeks of water) isn't too far off, I think. I am hoping to find food and water in less than one month even in a pretty big crisis. If not, I don't want to get a false sense of security by having extra food and water. If I can't get food and water in less than a month, it would be very dangerous to be staying around here, in my opinion. So, in my case, since I live very close to a big city, I think I better focus on getting out of here rather than storing extra food and water beyond one month, in my opinion.
Perhaps, my next step should be to find a place farther away from the city, but still close enough to commute or stay here, but find a land 200 miles away from the city where I can go in case of a crisis situation? I really don't know what I should do, at this point. Both of these steps would cost me so much more and making a wrong (financial) move can potentially put me in my own financial crisis before I face an external crisis. I have to be very careful. It would be great if I could do both, but doing only one is pretty risky for me financially, so I really need to think about this very carefully. Otherwise, I might end up putting myself in a (financial) crisis situation by trying to prepare for a crisis. That would be stupid.
Anyway, thank you very much for your help!
You're welcome
I keep hearing people talk about having a "place to go" in case of disaster. That brings to mind a couple of questions: How will you get there; what will you do once you arrive? Getting there may be OK, but if you've just got a tract of vacant land.....then what?
I think you are correct to be wary of overspending on things you might not be able to use.
I, for one, chose to live in a rural area outside of a small town. That's what's right for me. There are lifestyle choices that one must make when living that way (unless you're from the wealthy set). Examples: last one to have power restored after an outage; absolutely no deliveries of any kind; no paved road...when it rains you drive in the mud, and there is ALWAYS something that needs to be done or needs fixing. Living out in the country is not for everyone. It sounds good, but reality isn't always as good as the fantasy. Just something to think about.
Of course, I feel like there is a tremendous upside. I don't have neighbors that I can see or hear (there are some), land is so much less expensive that you can buy acres rather than a crappy lot 10 feet from the next neighbor, fewer regulations than in the incorporated areas, and so on. Garden, fish, hunt...on your own property! It's great for us, but I've known others that wound up moving right back in to "civilization" because they just didn't like it.
Last thing is job opportunities. The smaller and more rural the area, the fewer job opportunities that are available. And if you're not "from here" then likely someone's friend or family member will get the choice jobs (unless you bring a unique or specialized skill set). You could always make your own job by starting or buying a business, but that's a discussion for another day.
Best of luck to you in whatever you decide.
Thank you for this post. You make a lot of sense!
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." Benjamin Franklin
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"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." Benjamin Franklin
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I feel that preparing for up to a one month long emergency is worth doing without spending too much money on something that I may never use. In addition, an up to one month long emergency is much more likely than an over one month long emergency, in my opinion.
Here are my thoughts:
First of all, I live in a highly populated area.
FOOD:
I think it probably makes sense for me to have enough food for one month. I can stock up one month of food without wasting money, in other words, for just one month, I can stock up only food that I know I will eat. Beyond, one month, I have to start looking into something I may or may not eat like some MREs. More over, if there was no food available in the area where I live for over two weeks, my neighbors would be very hungry and angry, so I better pack what's left of my food supply and get the hell out of the area. In this case, I cannot take too much food with me anyway, so it probably does not make much sense for me to stock up more than one month worth of food.
WATER:
I'm thinking that storing 2 weeks of water is easy and sufficient for me. If there was no water available in this area for 1 week, I better take what's left of my water supply and get the hell out. Therefore, I don't think it makes much sense for me to store more than 2 weeks worth of water.
GASOLINE:
I think it's very dangerous to store gasoline. Personally, I've decided not to store extra gasoline. Instead, I will make sure to keep both of my cars at least 3/4 filled up all the time. In addition, I will have two 5 gallone containers and a siphon, so that I can get extra gas from one of my cars if I have to get the hell out of here.
PROPANE:
I will just make sure I have one 20lb cylinder full. I bought an adaptor to use a 20lb cylinder for small camp size grill and stove. Again, I'm not doing anything extraordinary.
GENERATOR:
I bought a small 1000W generator. I doubt that I would use this in an emergency, but this is a handy generator for camping, etc.
So, I think I can be prepared for up to one moneth without spending too much money on something that I may never use and I think it is well worth preparing for up to one month.
What do you think?
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This is VERY COOL! PEAK OIL DEMAND!
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Seems to me GREED
You might want to get the hell out.
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so what do you do with a 6
so what do you do with a 6 month long emergency? or a 2 month long emergency? your 1 month runs out and then what?
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
First of all, if an emergency lasted for more than two weeks,
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I will try to get the hell out of the emergency area.
Second, a 6 or even 2 month long emergency during which there is no chance at all to get food and water is much less likely than a one month long emergency, in my opinion. In other words, even if an emergency lasted for a long time, I think it is likely that there would be several chances for me and others to get food and water, therefore, by maintaining one month of supplies, people can avoid a desparate situation, in my opinion.
Third, if there was no chance at all to get food and water for 6 or even 2 months, most people are likely facing death, in my opinion. Not only such a crisis is much less likely, but also the cost to prepare for such an emergency would be too high for me.
So, considering all this, I think one month is the most reasonable time frame, at least, for me.
ahh I get it sooooo.. since
ahh I get it sooooo.. since you can't afford a 2 month or 6 month prep,
you are going to tell nature or man or whoever to make the emergency no longer then 1 month to fit you and your budget! you need more then 1 month greed! 1 year would be minimum! and you can do that! you do not need much money! the best thing you can do is go to family or close friends farm or rural property away from the cities! ask if you can store your supplies there then when the shtf.. bug out! just do it slowly and surley what we are facing is way worse then a 1 month ordeal!
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
I know what you mean. It is just that
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." Benjamin Franklin
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my current plan is only for one month or more like two weeks. This is my first step and I think it's pretty logical, at leat, this is the best that I could come up with. My second step is "get the hell out of here", but I haven't figured out the details.
I wrote this: Perhaps, my next step should be to find a place farther away from the city, but still close enough to commute or stay here, but find a land 200 miles away from the city where I can go in case of a crisis situation? I really don't know what I should do, at this point. Both of these steps would cost me so much more and making a wrong (financial) move can potentially put me in my own financial crisis before I face an external crisis. I have to be very careful. It would be great if I could do both, but doing only one is pretty risky for me financially, so I really need to think about this very carefully. Otherwise, I might end up putting myself in a (financial) crisis situation by trying to prepare for a crisis. That would be stupid.
I cannot do both, but even if I moved farther away within a commutable distance, I wonder if it would be far enough. On the other hand, even if I could find a place 200miles away, can I really get there if a crisis happened suddenly? So, I don't know what to do and I only have one chance to make the right decision. So, I'm still thinking.
I understand what your
I understand what your saying... nothing is veryn easy when it comes to this stuff... your best bet would be friends or family where you could go.. do you have anyone like that?
Yes, I do, but most of them are not in very good shape,
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financially, as far as I can tell.
Well....This list is from
Well....This list is from Y2K. And we all know how that turned out. Not too worried.
Yeah, silly me, we saved food
and things for Y2k too. But, we had just moved to a new area, and had no work all winter. But thanks to our preparing, we ate good, and had the things we needed. Now, with the housing bubble, we are now eating our stored food, and using the saved things, while we lose our vehicle, and have the stress of debt as we have little work, as my husband is a builder. So, you go along your merry way. But remember, the building industry feels the effects of a recession/depression first. You may be next.
hope...... I am in the
hope...... I am in the housing business too! it sucks here bad.. I know where you are coming from/.. it won't be long till everyone is feeling the pain like you and I! luckily for me were are treading water.. not losing money, but not making any either.
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
SIERRA, do you
know of any place where there is stone or brickwork. My husband can travel, till they take our truck.
If the shit ever hits the
If the shit ever hits the fan, don't worry yourself around my front door. There's plenty of people I'd be willing to help in a time of crisis. You would not fall into that category. To know and to not do anything about it is far worse than just not knowing.
"I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever." - Thomas Jefferson
you are right but this guy
you are right but this guy will expect you to help him! I know his type!
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
ahh what about katrina? as
ahh what about katrina?
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
My dad, an electrial
My dad, an electrial engineer with lots of computer experience, says that Y2K could have been a real problem and a huge problem. However, lots of big companies (note: not government, though they might have done some too) put millions of dollars into updating the computer systems. It was not just some fanatics sounding the end of the world (though they might have done so), but a serious problem.
As for stockpiling food, ammo, etc., it seems like a good idea regardless of the time. We still have stores of food left over from Y2K that we will be able to use in an emergency or if the economy tanks and my dad gets laid-off and can't find work. We also raise sheep and know how to slaughter them ourselves (without using a bullet) for additional food. We have a hand-pump in the basement for water. Our wisest purchase was a wood cookstove. It heats our whole 3500 sq. ft. house on all but the coldest nights (another woodstove is run as well on those nights) plus we can cook in it, even though we have an electric stove and oven.
My question is: the list suggests stockpiling medication. Things like tylenol and aspirin would be easy to do so, but for me, a transplant patient, I can only get a maximum 3 month supply at a time. If I don't take my meds, my body will reject my kidney and I will die. Not a pleasant thought!
Not too smart either.
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How can I store gasoline at home? Is it legal?
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." Benjamin Franklin
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Can I just keep in a plastic 5gal gasoline container?
5gal isn't much but yeah.
Or you can look into 50gal drum.
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Ok. Thanks for the info. What is stabilizer? I've heard about it
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." Benjamin Franklin
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but I don't know what it is or why need it.
stabil is the stabilizer you
stabil is the stabilizer you can get it at an auto parts store..
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
Thanks SIERRAHPBT for the info.
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." Benjamin Franklin
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What is stabilizer? What is it used for?
This is all so overwhelming to me.
Stabilizes the hydro-carbons
Stabilizes the hydro-carbons in the fuel. Gas doesn't really keep very well.
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Portable toilets?
I see they are high on the list, but those are easy to make. A five gallon bucket, a toilet seat, a tall kitchen trash bag, and kitty litter.
Plastic grocery sack
and a roll of TP.
Pee in the bushes.
You must be a boy.
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in the middle of winter
in the middle of winter during a blizzard here in Colorado.... nooooo lol
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
Heh heh,
then whatch gonna do with the plastic sackful? Kitty litter keeps the smell down....
Well, it depends on what kind of emergency you've got going.
You can just throw it in a large hefty sack or trash can if it's just going to be a few days. You can even burn it in a trash can if you need to.
However, for long term sewage, an outhouse or even a home-made septic tank and drainfield can be made fairly easily.
When I lived in a travel trailer on my back lot when I was building the house, I made a septic tank from 2 55-gallon plastic drums that were connected together with plumbing pipe, and buried in the ground. Then I took some 4" diameter drainfield pipe and layed it in a 40-foot trench that was about 3 feet deep and the bottom foot was lined with rocks., Then covered the drainfield line with a screen sock, and shoveled the dirt back in. Had an entry pipe right behind my trailer so I could dump the trailer holding tank in when I needed to.
Dug the whole thing with a pick and shovel by hand, and made all the parts myself from local items that were available.
It worked great, and I used it for 2 years while I built my house by myself with my own hands.
I was in a clients house and
I was in a clients house and had to use their restroom. This lady had a book that i wish i could recall the title. The book was essentially about the history of portable toilets. I do recall one made from an old military ammo box. lol
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A military ammo box, or a military helmet.
If memory serves me right.
If memory serves me right. You're suppose to weld a sheet of metal inside the box so that whatever is deposited slides down to the bottom and you can still pick it up by the handle on one end without seepage. lol
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And then what
do you do with it after you've picked it up on the handle on one end?
HAHA Your guess is as good
HAHA Your guess is as good as mine. I wouldn't use a system without a liner. lol
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"Don't Use a Gas Generator for Emergencies!"
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For your information:
SOLAR FOR EMERGENCIES, "Don't Use a Gas Generator for Emergencies!"
http://solarguy.blogspot....
Solar Refrigerators
http://solarforemergencie...
Solar Cooking
http://solarforemergencie...
I use solar
power myself, and am very familiar with it.
I own a Sunfrost refrigerator/freezer and run it with panels and batteries, and I own that same solar cooker shown in the link. I've used it plenty, and know how to cook in it, and know the pros and cons.
I have worked in alternative energy for many years, live with it, and have designed full systems for many many people in the survival store that I used to work at as the alternative energy specialist.
I also design and build solar powered appliances, such as solar hot water heaters and cookers..
They are very good.
However, the sun doesn't shine all the time, particularly in weather emergencies, and most people do not have enough battery bank to go for more than a couple days without sun.
While I do like and recommend solar stuff, a generator can be used safely, and I've done so myself on numerous occasions.
Yeah if they blot out the
Yeah if they blot out the sun you're screwed if that's all you got.
So, how about solar water heaters. Is it possible to make steam? If so how much and for how long?
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