SSN Nightmare!
Posted July 23rd, 2008 by Boscovius
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Well folks, It's just been a month since our beautiful baby girl was born. My wife and I were both so proud to have gone over the hospital paperwork carefully, even explaining to the nurses that we wanted our daughter to live as an unenumerated (un-numbered) individual until she had reached the age of majority and could choose for herself whether or not she wanted to participate in the Social Security Program. What a surprise we got when we opened our mail today to find a brand spanking new Social Security Card and Number had been provided to us by good 'ol Uncle Sam and his buddies at the Social Security Administration. My wife assures me she did not apply for a number, and I believe her. We were both of a mind about this. The hospital paperwork was very specific and offered two different places on their form to check, sign, and date. One place for "Yes, we would like our infant to be assigned a SSN", and one for "No, we do not want a SSN to be assigned to our infant." It was very simple, and we got it right.
Now I consider this to be fraud! I suspect someone at the hospital is responsible. But I have to wonder, what will I have to go through to get anything done about this? Is the hospital culpable? Does the law provide for a rememdy? We are not well off as I have been out of work for the last several months, and my wife has been off for maternity leave, so hiring a lawyer is probably not even in the cards.
We are disgusted.
Any advice?
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Have you considered having a forum
for parents who don't want social security numbers?
My daughter (who is 3) has been getting credit card requests and college requests, so we think fraud. I try to contact someone from the SSDept. (emphasis on the SS) and they CAN'T help me unless I've got a suspect. Then I try the credit card reporting agencies and its all automated, long story short she's too young for me to request info over the phone-so now I gotta send them 3 different types of ID from me and her to get the ball rolling.
Anyway, Power in numbers-if enough parents across the U.S.A. get their kids off of social security maybe then we'll have a good awakening to the problems of identity theft and congressional theft.
If you want to know if there
If you want to know if there is any fraud taking place, you could pull a credit report from each of the three repositories...Equifax, Trans Union and Experian.
Boscovius, The information
Boscovius,
The information at the following link is taken directly from SSA's own policy procedures for dealing with parents that do not want a card:
http://www.save-a-patriot...
The hospital staff should be fired and the number revoked
I don't know how you'll fight this, but looks like the hospital decided to do it anyways and just do the "tsk tsk, sorry, but you're stuck with the number now" routine, if they do have a routine like that. That's pretty bad, they should revoke the number until your little one grows older to make her own decision.
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I went through this exact situation with my son
The only difference was a home birth.
Here's what happened:
You correctly left the box blank or checked No. That form went to the state government Vital Statsitics which then processes it to issue the birth certificate by entering it into a database. That databse is regularly polled by SSA to get info on new births to issue new cards. The screwup happened when the state clerk entered your girls' ifno into the system and while on mental autopilot, automatically maked the SSN request box on the computer screen as "Yes", instead of the indicated "No" and it went into the system as such. Viola, you get the Tax Slavery Card.
Here's what to do:
1. DO NOT SIGN THE CARD OR USE THE NUMBER.
2. DO NOT TRASH OR SHRED THE CARD. DO NOT EVEN PUNCH IT OUT OF THE CARD FRAME!
3. Get a copy of that hopsital paperwork. You should have gotten one when it was filled out (Parents-to-be, take the lesson here--ALWAYS get copies of this stuff!).
4. Get a notary public to take a sworn statement from both you and your wife that neither of you requested the SSN.
5. Then call state Vital Statistics and inform them of their error, then demand (politely) a written letter from them indicating that they screwed up, including name and contact info for the clerk in error and their supervisors. Show them the hospital paperwork and the notarized documents. Make sure they fix their database.
6. With letter in hand (saving original for your own records), and virgin card, talk to SSA, preferrably in person. Let it be known to them clearly that the SSN issuance was in clerical error and that you refuse this card on behalf of your daughter since it was neither requested nor desired. The letter serves as backup to verify that it was an error and who made it.
7. Once it gets cleared up, store the card and paperwork away securely. DO NOT SIGN OR DESTROY THE CARD. If SSA asks for it to be returned, do so, but keep a xeroxed copy (both sides) with your paperwork.
This should clear it up. If not, then see an attorney. This is exactly what I did and I never had to see an attorney. 5 years later my son is SSN-free and we've never been bothered since.
Good Luck!
Thats because the hospital
Thats because the hospital gets roughtly 100k for each birth certificate it "produces"
I reserve the right to govern myself.
The following information may be of some interest to you with
regard to the automatic issuance of a SSN at birth. First, let me say that it has been many years since I've had a newborn and I am not familiar with the particular form of which you wrote.
However, I offer the following, with links, regarding the federal law that requires SSNs at birth. It was passed as part of the GATT/WTO treaty in 1994. Dr. Paul voted against it.
Buried in a section of the bill implementing the General Agreement on Tariff and Trade (GATT)/WTO was a requirement that Social Security numbers be issued at birth.
Section 742 of H.R. 5110 requires that for the purposes of the Earned Income Tax Credit, SSN's must be issued at birth. Previously, parents could wait up to one year before filing.
The following is a link to the bill, brought forth in September of 1994:
http://bulk.resource.org/...
Please see Section 742.
This legislation (H.R. 5110) implemented the Uruguay Round of the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT), a global trade compact that established the World Trade Organization (WTO) bureaucracy. The House approved this legislation during a lame-duck session on November 29, 1994 (Roll Call 507) by a vote of 288 to 146.
Dr. Paul offered a separate resolution at that time (House Joint Resolution 90) that proposed a complete withdrawal of the U.S. from the WTO. That resolution failed.
The Senate passed the bill to implement the Uruguay Round of GATT on December 1, 1994 (Roll Call 329) by a vote of 76 to 24.
See: http://findarticles.com/p...
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Except for one thing.
If you don't take the EITC or are not elgiible for it, or if you do not claim your child as a dependent on your taxes, you don't need the SSN.
I would be pissed and on the phone to the hospital
for starters.
There was a law passed a few
There was a law passed a few years back that compels hospitals to complete the application. Want to avoid this, don't name your child. Better yet, don't have your child in a hospital/port of entry under the department of commerce.
http://teamlaw.org/family...
http://teamlaw.org/family...
I'll look into this.
I'll look into this. Thanks.
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The only thing you need to
The only thing you need to do is not use the number and don't sign the card. Remeber, the number belongs to the government not to your daughter. Only a signature act can create the relationship between your daughter and the SS administration. You can't have the number deleted as it isn't your's or her property.