For those of you who still think that 911 and "truthers" are some fringe element. . . .
Posted July 24th, 2008 by dmc4rp
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911 Aid concert headed by Willie Nelson!
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I just hope they get some better bands
As a musician I think willie is pretty lame musically but i like the idea of it.I'd like to see Rage against the machine, slipknot, Korn, and godsmack on the bill :)
this is me doing some whitesnake :)
http://ca.youtube.com/wat...
Your crazy! (in a nice way..LOL)
Willie Nelson has always been here for the American people, and especially farmers and people who take care of themselves. I'd smoke a fatty with Willie any day of the week.
And his music kicks ass, especially his blues albums. Not that I wouldn't mind him sharing a stage with Rage...LOL
Have a good day all!
Bump!!!
Bump!!!
I did not believe the 911 Truthers at first but then...
I looked into it. At this point, I am not sure what the truth is. Many things do not add up. I do not believe the official government story. The main reason? Simple. The "cover up" The "silencing" The fact that no serious independent investigation has been done. The fact that the mainstream media won't touch it. Hmmmmm....makes me think...What are they hiding? What are they afraid of? It is never the crime that trips the government up..It is always the cover up. The silence is deafening. When the government releases everything they have...then I will accept their conclusion. Until then; Something is rotten and it is not Denmark. I AM NOT A NUT. I am perfectly sane.
Oh and the indians weren't
Oh and the indians weren't killed off by the government that is just anti american propaghanda.
There was no such thing as the trail of tears ...
The jews were not killed during the holocaust its just a lie ...
The blacks were never domonized during the days of slavery and the average christian believed the blacks had souls...
I could keep going and going with evil things done by our government and governments ...
People criticize religion but they hold faith in government its sad ... Government is made up of people and some people are evil get the hint.. Some of You think everyone is nice and good but never act shocked when someone is on the news for raping and murdering a 4 year old kid. Oh but our good government would never do anything wrong ... I don't understand what You people are smoking but hell pass some to me because I would love to think everything is doing fine WHEN IT ISN'T !!!!!!!!!!!
You are exactly correct.
"People criticize religion but they hold faith in government its sad ..."
That is why Daniel and Paul explain in the Bible that "Beast" refers to governments and systems. Such as depending on the Government and man, rather than God and your own hard work. Or as in the Roman Catholic church who has murdered over 500 MILLION Christians in it's past, and held hands and sang songs with both Hitler and Mussolini. The pope claims to be Christ on earth, and it was because of that asshole that we had the dark ages and 500 million dead Christians. The Pope has been the Anti-Christ living on earth for the 1600 years.
We need to get back to the Bible and trusting in God's word, and not the government who wants to make us all leaches so they can crush us in the end. Luckily Christ will return soon. Peace be with you.
Double post
To all that believe our
To all that believe our government couldn't do something as evil as 9/11 I would say get a clue You are worse than the Obama supporters... I imagine You people believe this sort of hog wash..
The media covered the campaign fairly and everyone got fair air time
The government wouldn't spend all of our social security money ....
The economy is sound as Bush says because the international bankers have our best interest at heart.
There will not be WW3 because Bush wouldn't dare pick a fight with Iran
due to Israeli interest...
Everything is just fine and all the cops they are hiring are for our own protection
The government balances the budget and doesn't steal our tax dollars to line their pockets...
The founding fathers wanted high taxes because thats the only way to insure freedom
The idea of God didn't even enter the founding fathers minds when they wrote the constitution and the documents that they talked about God were forgeries..
The main stream media does not brainwash people thats just conspiracy theory crap...
The government would not test chemicals on troops and doesn't give them DU rounds its just a conspiracy theory.
The government loves me and would make things available for medicine even if a major pharma company couldn't patent it.
The government is concerned about our energy independence and is working with the oil companies to promote new energy sources.
The government has no blame in the current medical crisis and the attentionaly shut down medical schools to lower the ammount of doctors to give us higher quality care..
The people give up their income taxes willingly and the irs doesn't seize homes because people give them up for free ....
There is no police corruption in the US thats just a minority plot to make our police department look bad.
There is no industrial prison complex its just all a hoax ... And rich people get out of jail because they are innocent and this idea of blacks staying in jail so the companies can make money off the tax payers is just a conspiracy ....
I could go on and on but hopefully You brain washed zombies will get the picture ... Hey here is a clue stop watching TV and pick up a book it might teach You a few things .... Hell while You are out it study history You might learn a few more things......
I Couldn't Have Said It Better
I couldn't have said it any better,there is a weird thing around the comment sections of Youtube and forums such as the Paul. People want to divide the populus into two different factions or movements. One is called the "truther" movement,and the other is the "freedom" movement.The so called freedom movement blame the so called truthers for people not taking Ron Paul seriously.Which I find totaly absurd,it was because of searching for information about 9/11 and Alex Jones in particular how I came to hear the message of Ron Paul in the first place.I certainly wasn't going to get that out of mainstream media.It was Ron Paul appearing on the Alex Jones show that gave me the opportunity to listen to the man.And Dr. Paul has continued to appear on his shows since,so the idea that seeking the truth about 9/11 is something to be rejected by the people who believe they are freedom fighters here's a quote for you......
"In a free society,there can be no truth without freedom,and there can be no freedom without truth".
Amen...
**“The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them.” ~ Mark Twain **
Me personally...
I think all you people suck.
I hate the Truthers because they believe that it was an inside job, done by elements within our government, and that the WTC towers were brought down by controlled demolition...
I hate the Anti-Truthers because they believe that the people who believe this are crazy, fringe lunatics...
And probably neither side of this argument is entirely correct. And it wouldn't matter if you were "poven" incorrect or not, you still wouldn't change your mind and move to the other side. This is the really frustrating thing about the whole ordeal. Truthers and Non-Truthers (at least the ones that argue with the Truthers) are both closed-minded, argumentative and obviously lacking in any kind of research skills... otherwise you wouldn't harp over and over on the same subjects... many of which can be proven or disproven with some investigation... by looking at the information provided by people on the OTHER side of the argument. But, for the most part, people in this argument do not want to hear the other side's case. The government-haters want to continue to hate the government... and the anti-conspiracy types want to continue to hate the conspiracy theorists.
And so the greatest crime committed in our nation's history will go unsolved because people can't just come together and realize that we don't know what happened that day and further investigation is needed... from an independent, outside, international source.
Should I give some examples?
"Pull it". Silverstein was not talking about demolishing Building 7. He was talking about pulling the firefighter teams from the building. I've seen the entire interview, and the Truthers take this sentence out of context.
1. Why would he talk about demolishing the building on camera... and to the fire chief? Fire chief's don't do building demolition.
2. Why do the Truthers only show a few seconds of the interview? Specifically the sentence where he says, "Pull it."? They don't ever show the rest of the interview when making their case.
3. They were talking about that building's instability all afternoon the day of the attack. From about 2pm on I myself heard many accounts of the damage to Building 7 and the fact that it might collapse, and finally at 5:30 or so, it did.
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
See, when I first saw the "Pull it" thing debunked properly, it immediately COMPLETELY DISCREDITED the Truthers ideas in my head. It's hard for me to believe the government about anything they lie so much, but it's hard to believe the Truther's as well. Instead of spending so much time and energy spreading something around that is completely false and taken out of context... they should be spending time on the true stuff... and the stuff that can be proven...
Like Bush's ties to the Bin Laden family.
Like the put options placed on UA and AA stock the week prior to the attack.
Like the fact that our government had multiple, detailed warnings of what was about to occur... and did nothing... even after they knew the event was happening.
See, I AM A TRUTHER. But I'm a different kind of Truther. I want the ACTUAL TRUTH. Not the one made up by the Truthers. So I look at everything I can find to investigate the story from both sides. I've seen all the debunking sites, and I think they do a really good job at debunking most of what the Truthers say. But they cannot debunk all of it... not even close... so these are the areas we need to be harping on.
Like this timeline of events from MSM sources ONLY.
http://www.wanttoknow.inf...
Hard to debunk this. This is the stuff we need to be educating people on. Convincing people they brought down the towers with explosives without any proof is tough. Teaching people that our government knew this was coming is not. Look at the timeline above. That's the short 10-page version. There are links to the 25- and 60-page versions at the bottom of the page.
If you read the timeline, you'll see that the government had to be complicit for it to happen in the first place. See... this is why I hate Non-Truthers. They fail to see the obvious. The obvious is that the government failed us by allowing this to happen in the least... planning and controlling it is possible as well... so to try and stop the Truthers from wanting to find the truth is wrong.
Why can't we work together to try and find the REAL TRUTH? Instead of arguing and calling each other names? I want to know what really happened. Not Alex Jones's version. Not GWB's version.
The Truth.
HAHAHAHAHA
Silverstein who stands to make 7 BILLION or more from this incident, was obviously saying pull the firefighters out..LOLOLOL Can you say..bahhhh bahhhh I bet you can.
No...
I'm saying I've seen the entire interview... not just one sentence of it... and I KNOW he was talking about pulling FF's out of the building.
But, do I think Silverstein is innocent? Hell no. Why did he buy the buildings in the first place? Just 6 months before? But did he mean demolition when he said, "pull it"?
NO.
Yeah well
IT's too bad that Fire fighters were never in the building to be pulled out.
After the first two towers were blown up by demolition no fire fighters were allowed into WTC7 to put out a few little fires. Nice try tho bitch.
Look...
I never said Silverstein wasn't involved. See, this is exactly what I'm talking about. You're harping on me about something I know for a fact is the truth.
I agree Silverstein should be investigated. But it's not for saying, "Pull it." because that has nothing to do with it. If you had seen the entire interview... like I did from looking at debunking sites, something that Truthers don't seem to do... then you would be looking at Silverstein for the RIGHT reasons... like the fact that he bought the buildings to begin with. I certainly wouldn't have bought those buildings in the condition they were in. They needed an overhaul and nobody could figure out how to do it because you couldn't just demolish them because of the asbestos. Hhhmmm... now all that is fishy... and deserves looking into. But the "pull it" term is taken out of context, and by harping on it over and over it makes the Truther movement look foolish to those who have seen all the debunking videos.
You Sir
In God We Trust!
According to your logic in you post, you sir are an idot!
No explaination needed. Your very words attest to that fact.
How do my words attest to that...
when I just want to know the truth?
When Truthers run around harping on sh*t that's been debunked, that makes them look like idiots.
Taking one sentence out of an entire interview and making accusations based on that makes you look like idiots.
I want to know the truth too... but I'm not going to spread lies and misinfo.
I've watched 'A Film To End
I've watched 'A Film To End All Wars' by Richard Grove. (exposureroom.com). I wish that everyone could watch this to understand the correlation of 9/11 and what is happening to our freedom and money.
http://exposureroom.com/m...
'I always think of all you canvassors and precinct leaders and delegates at the front line and caucuses.
Good luck out there &Thank you. You're a gift.
STOP AND DECEASE ALL 9/11 thread posting today ASAP
STOP AND DECEASE ALL 9/11 thread posting today ASAP
We are on digg front page for the 24hrs. The trolls are attempting to marginalize us by making us keep 9/11 posts on the active forums list.
WARNING.
Is this not an important subject for all to see?
WAHOR!!
Does this mean I can express how idiotic the notion that ...
"the inside job" theory is a fact without getting personally attacked?
WAHOR!!
Rhino Yes!
It's simple: Direct folk to my link and you will a) See the patriotic, brave American spirit) & b) never have a doubting Thomas again who will have seen this film. I've spent all day on/off watching it and am relieved of any doubt about waht has happened to date.
http://exposureroom.com/m...
'I always think of all you canvassors and precinct leaders and delegates at the front line and caucuses.
Good luck out there &Thank you. You're a gift.
You are wasting your time with me, ask Oruval ...
the idea, for me at least, is to help people to think rationally.
They can choose to believe what they want, but at least I have added my 2 cents.
I do wish to add one more thing: Do not give in to anyone. Stand alone if you have to, but be prepared, educate your mind, and do not accept anything until you are ready to accept it.
WAHOR!!
You cant even admit the laws physics and that of inerta
explain that the buildings could have never fell using the pancake theory.
It takes demolition.
Disinfo slinger.
I truely wish that that was ...
the only possibility.
WAHOR!!
Patriots Question 9/11
The fringe element.
130+ Senior Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials
500+ Engineers and Architects
120+ Pilots and Aviation Professionals
260+ Professors Question 9/11
210+ 9/11 Survivors and Family Members
140+ Artists, Entertainers, and Media Professionals
http://www.patriotsquesti...
Did you read all the testimonials?
WAHOR!!
Oh yeah...
They must all be cultist as well. Not to mention the other 100,000,000 Americans as well.
Then you know that the only common thread is ...
a call to release all the evidence.
WAHOR!!
RHINO = Disinfo
He will only confuse and hide the truth of the Inside job on 9/11
http://forums.libertylove...
Oruval ...
why don't you create a thread with the above link and put whatever spin you wish on it?
WAHOR!!
What spin?
I am putting scientific facts into play. Physics.. Laws of Inertia. Hard to spin physical law but you seem to try your damnest Rhino, and when you can't you side step questions.
Lay it out, encourage others to read and see what they say?
You are not promoting anything for monetary gain, so you will not be violating any rules.
WAHOR!!
We already did that on LLF
You lost and were shown to be a disinfo agent.
And we have it all right here for everyone to see.
http://forums.libertylove...
Might as well get a plug in for Devon.
Are you afraid of what you might read?
WAHOR!!
Scientists, Engineers and Architects
Physicist Dr. Steven Jones
http://www.youtube.com/re...
http://www.journalof911st...
Richard Gage, AIA - founder of Architects & Engineers for 911 Truth
http://www.youtube.com/re...
http://www.ae911truth.org
Believe the official story? Your ignorant...
...of the facts at least.
I agree. Anyone who has read up on even the slightest amount of evidence regarding 9-11... and still believes the official story... I question their intelligence and their patriotism.
-The Twin Towers were designed to take several plane impacts and not collapse; they were "over constructed".
-The skies above the Pentagon and DC area are the most sensitive airspace in the world... how could a highjacked aircraft be allowed to penetrate?
-Did you see those photographs of the wreckage of the plane that hit the Pentagon? No. You didnt. Because there are none. But the damage done to the Pentagon is indicative of a missile attack.
-And this one just came out today.
http://infowars.net/artic...
-Did Al Queda send the amthrax?
-They even put Dick Cheney "in the room" of NORAD insuring that the 9-11 attacks are being carried out according to plan.
HOW MUCH EVIDENCE DO YOU NEED?
Semper Fortis
Great idea and
hope it is HUGE EVENT. Get loud never give up. Peace Patriot
oh I see now
And scientology is mainstream religion, because Tom Cruise and John Travolta believe
And Kabala is also mainstream, cuz of Madonna's belief.
I suppose anything any entertainer believes is mainstream and true, because we know how smart entertainers are.
Face it, the "911 was an inside job" belief is a vocal fringe element.
ironman
just because something is mainstream and beleived to be true, doesn't make it so. See, you forgot to mention Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, both mainstream and "pretend" to be true, but most Americans know they are not. I won't question's one's patriotism if they believe the official story but I most certainly question their intellegence. The facts and evidence are simply overwhelming, not to mention the logic. But I understand there are idiots in our country and even those with agenda's of bad intentions. Which are you?
Ironman77 is a spineless imp.
His "reasoning", above,shows that he is a mental midget. Do not waste your time with people like this,as they do not have the courage to seek the truth,no matter how ugly it may be. Let him and preferred get chewed up by the PTB. They do not deserve freedom.
No
Let's face the facts. YOU, dear person, are working to cover up the 9/11 truth. You are losing the battle. You are wrong. There is way too much evidence. You know it and we know it. So you have totally lost all credibility here.
You don't see...
If you research what happened on 9/11 and still have this kind of attitude then I must question your intelligence and your patriotism.
Your fellow citizen's, some of which are you friends and family, your neighbors are standing up and questioning something that that is extremely troubling. A prudent person seeks answers to things that are questionable. Facetiousness and sarcasm is all you bring to the table. Insults are your only weapon. We bring evidence and eyewitness accounts. We bring Newtonian fact and most just ignore the laws of gravity when applying it to how the towers and building seven fell.
Those of you who would just sweep this issue under the table are disgraceful. We are talking about the murder of 3,000 people , not including the thirty thousand more who could die from the toxic dust our wonderful EPA said was safe to breathe. Don't forget there is no statute of limitations on murder.
One day all those who are in denial will realize that the criminals in our government wants nothing to do with you but bring you death, war, and degradation.
Insults are your only weapon
You bring no evidence, only mis statements and innuendo, The fact that anyone even cares what Willie Nelson thinks shows that many 911 truthers are simply cultists.
Those of you who would just sweep this issue under the table are disgraceful. - see more insults (and you were complaining about me),
you can't sweep something under the table that does not exist. I've spent a great deal of time contradicting facts, elaborating on false premises, uncovering faulty logic. But alas I might as well argue with three year olds about the existence of Santa Claus .
One day, the truthers will realize that while their house was buring, they were looking for ghosts in the attic.
Cointelpro
How much are they paying you to obfuscate for your masters? I feel sorry for people like you. Do you care about human life?
You attitude is very disgraceful, that's my opinion. Take it as you will.
Alex Jones is the real Cointelpro
And you bought it hook line and sinker
The dumber "our masters" make you look, the easier it is for the government to convince sensible people that they should protect you for your own good.
The whole idea is to convince people of crazier, dumber ideas, to target people with Paraniod personality disorder, and to link those people with political movements they don't like.
Ron Paul himself complained that the 911 is an inside job crowd hurt him politically.
Okay.
So I am crazy for believing Newtonian physics that make up and control the natural universe.
GET REAL.. I am not paranoid, and you are losing the disinfo game.
you are paranoid
You are completely misinterpreting physics to fit the reality you believe, and you are misrepresenting, and even fabricating evidence you claim is true. I suppose if Alex Jones says it you believe.
Troll alert
So far we have 2 trolls - ironman77 and preferred.
Any other trolls I should be aware of?
sure, I was here way before it became
daily 911 bullshit, I even liked it better when it was dailyparanoidhomophobesforbaldwin