Is DVDfordelegates.com a scam?

Posted July 25th, 2008 by bedr1

It really bothers me when people are not 100% transparent when asking for money. While I personally don't think the DVD thing will work, I am fine with whoever wants to participate to do so. But I have seen alot and I mean alot of scams to get people to pitch in money in the name of Ron Paul. For example, I am from Missouri and there was a chipin for attorney fees for Ron Paul delegates that where challenged to the Republican State Convention here and I think it raised a couple thousand dollars. I was a challenged delegate, fairly in the thick of things since I was a District Coordinator for the campaign, and have yet to meet anyone that has gone to court about being challenged. Where did the damn money go?

Here is the info for dvdfordelegates.com from whois -- its private.

Why? Where is the money going, where is the accountability, why not let people know who is behind this.

Registrant:
Contactprivacy.com
96 Mowat Ave
Toronto, ON M6K 3M1
CA

Domain name: DVDS4DELEGATES.COM

Administrative Contact:
contactprivacy.com, dvds4delegates.com@contactprivacy.com
96 Mowat Ave
Toronto, ON M6K 3M1
CA
+1.4165385457
Technical Contact:
contactprivacy.com, dvds4delegates.com@contactprivacy.com
96 Mowat Ave
Toronto, ON M6K 3M1
CA
+1.4165385457

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bedr1 - Is known to promote dissent and create chaos.

On July 25th, 2008 airborne373 says:

bedr1 has done his best to cause trouble and weaken the Revolution.

Is bedr1 right or wrong here? I do not know. Everyone should do their own due diligence on any fund raiser.

Those raising money should simply communicate with donors either directly or through a public website to show progress. I think things have been working out fairly well so far.

You shouldn't try to invalidate something unless you really know

On July 25th, 2008 ajsig says:

what you're talking about and you clearly don't want Ron Paul to be the nominee.

Good bye!

Go Ron Paul! Minneapolis, take St. Paul!

He isn't invalidating anything

On July 25th, 2008 billsebe says:

What he is trying to do is make sure the pull for Ron Paul supporter's money, is actually legitimate. You would think that people who have donated their time and money to dvds4delegates would want to see that the program is real, that there is a way to get a hold of delegate lists, that results are being made. It's called transparency, we as a group demand it from our government, why aren't we demanding it from these projects?

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You are another huge bar supporter

On July 25th, 2008 oruval says:

OF course you don't want this to be effective cause that means Ron Paul could possibly get the GOP nomination and be running against Barr. Barr supporters and Disinfo trolls are out in full force today. Somebody must be feelin the heat!

Spread the word and donate - http://www.dvds4delegates...

Stop trying to sound like the voice of reason.

DVD'S FOR DELEGATES IS LEGIT AND WILL ULITMATELY HELP THE REVOLUTION.

Or else you bastards would be attacking it 24/7

I responded to your attack lower down on the page

On July 25th, 2008 billsebe says:

but I'll say it again, I haven't made any secret of the fact that if Ron Paul doesn't win the nomination that I'll most likely end up voting for Barr. Many Paul supporters have said the same thing about Baldwin, but they aren't labeled trolls.

I've been a strong Ron Paul supporter from the start of his campaign and I've been a member of these boards for over a year now but you do have the right to question my loyalty. Just like I have the right to question the dvds4delegates project, you can never just assume someone or something has good intentions. However, I have a years worth of posts showing that I'm true, now where''s the proof that the dvds4delegates isn't a scam? Where is the transparency?

Also, I think you meant to write "Or else you bastards would (not) be attacking it 24/7"

Yeah I bet you're here to help Ron Paul

On July 25th, 2008 oruval says:

Who will you back if we get Ron Paul the GOP nomination? Because that is why this site was started in the first place..

You do realize that DVD4delegates is legit. So self delete this post, unless you are trying to hurt this project.

I know only one person personally and he is SOLID

On July 25th, 2008 paul4won says:

One of the most active, intelligent, hard working Ron Paul supporters I know. I do not think he would get involved with any scams, and I know his work in our state has been nearly single-handed.

DVDs 4 Delegates is a very good idea

On July 25th, 2008 BigT says:

I like the concept and the goals.
I'm not wild about the marketing tactics, which seem very "huckster-ish", but not everyone knows how to market things well.

I'm in favor of the DVDs 4 Delegates project, and I'm just hoping that the people running it are handling the money and project in the ethical manner that we are trusting them to do.

There are alot of people who donated and are expecting their donations to be handled properly.
The DVDs 4 Delegates people have the responsibilty to do the right thing with the money, and get the job done, as they have chosen that task and accepted money to do it.

I'm willing to put up with some of the spamming threads, if the job gets done right, and the donators got good value for their monetary donations.

"hucksterish"?

On July 25th, 2008 vincebodie says:

They really haven't advertised much at all, other than the flyers which were handed out at the rally, some banner ads on various websites, and a bunch of occasionally over-enthusiastic posts on site like the DP. Like Dr. Paul, they have relied mostly on the grassroots to get the message out. Their own efforts have been nothing but professional. So, if you are going to say their tactics are "hucksterish" you are pinning that term on the grassroots, imho.

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I'm referring

On July 25th, 2008 BigT says:

to the level of activity posted on the DP on this subject.
IMO, it was over the top, even though I like the project.

I think

On July 25th, 2008 RonPaulistheAnswer says:

that was our over industrious grassroots trying to help. They see the importance of the project and have jumped in to encourage everyone not to let it fail. It is a very important project.

Hey

On July 25th, 2008 docholladay says:

Hey BillyDee:

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"Doc" Holladay
Nashville, TN

ASTOUNDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On July 25th, 2008 Sandra says:

That you post this on a Ron Paul forum. If you have a question about the DVD thing, get balls enough to contact that organization. I want to see proof that anyone on this thread actually DID contact these people with their "concerns". Please post your email complete with headers or SHUT UP!!!!!!!

bedr1 what is all the "proof" you posted supposed to prove? Please explain.

DVD4 delegates is a genius idea

On July 25th, 2008 soule says:

Well, I think it is wroking and we will see it's fruits soon!

And by the way, this thread is a SCAM! Bedr1 & friends, stop trolling, we have enough of such threads! But hey, my bad, I am writing in this TROLL thread and waisting my time

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Of course the idea isn't bad

On July 25th, 2008 billsebe says:

What it needs to be is tranparent, we need to see that it's legitimate, that results are being made with the thousands of dollars being fed into this thing.

Of course.

On July 25th, 2008 oruval says:

You want to marginalize this idea. You're another huge bar supporter trapesing around this site. Don't think I don't know this.

I wouldn't say I'm a huge Barr supporter

On July 25th, 2008 billsebe says:

but if Ron Paul isn't able to secure the nomination, I'll most likely end up voting for Barr. I haven't made any secret about that and I've been completely open on the subject.

double

On July 25th, 2008 oruval says:

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Aren't you the main Bob Barr pusher here?

On July 25th, 2008 GREEDisBAD says:

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." Benjamin Franklin
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It is more than just money at stake...

On July 25th, 2008 spacehabitats says:

What I worry about is the noise introduced by projects that may or may not have any real chance for a positive impact draining the finite financial reserves and (perhaps even more importantly) the energy out of our movement.

The other reason that I can see for holding ourselves, our leaders, and our projects to a higher degree of transparency and accountability is the "little boy who cried wolf" syndrome.

We have already seen the enervating effect of repeated calls for donations on the Money Bomb requests. Any grassroots campaign is especially vulnerable to this kind of effect.

The last thing we need right now is another scandal or scam to distract and discourage us. After all, we are all VOLUNTEERS.

The people behind the DVD4Delegates may be (and probably are) true patriots working tirelessly for the cause, but the fact that there are also unscrupulous forces anxious to discredit and derail this movement should make them especially responsive to any of us who doubt their integrity.

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I must admit

On July 25th, 2008 AbrahamNorway says:

The resistance among some people towards this topic is very unsettling! If one is beyond any doubt whatsoever on this project being legit then either assist and assure the doubter with information or let it go! Protecting a subject with questioning loyalty is in my opinion one of the worst side of human kind.

The title is a very direct question. Some will always react emotionally. Keep cool!

Amen

On July 25th, 2008 billsebe says:

It's amazing how you can just slap Ron Paul's name on a project and wolves suddenly turn into sheep.

Stop arguing about DVDs and START PAINTING! ANDALE! ARRIBA! RAP

On July 25th, 2008 borisimo says:

http://www.dailypaul.com/...

Lets see if this not fot money project gets you exited!

Boris in Miami

blatant thread-jacking

On July 25th, 2008 JackParkman says:

This link (and the entire post) has nothing to do with this thread. It is a blatant example of "thread-jacking" and should not be tolerated here.

I agree

On July 25th, 2008 billsebe says:

I donated to the blimp because it was completely transparent. The dvds4delegates thing seems more and more like a scam every day, from it constantly being bumped, to the emails, to the lingering questions like; how are they finding out the names and addresses of the delegates?

you two hitched?

On July 25th, 2008 cyndezu says:

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I'm quite certain

On July 25th, 2008 billsebe says:

that we aren't married.

Only if you support John McCain

On July 25th, 2008 Iamstillhere says:

I will say you are pretty good. Like a shit salesman with a mouthful of samples you spread your shit. I may get banned for this one but you deserve it.

DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS THREAD ANYONE
PLEASE MAKE THIS THE LAST REPLY EVEN IF IT IS MY LAST REPLY

You already were banned

On July 25th, 2008 JackParkman says:

And you have no respect for this site, its rules, or common decency.

The fact that TOG (who was now banned, and is trespassing as "Iamstillhere") continues to (profanely) attack anyone who raises a doubt about the DVD project or how it's promoted should tell you something.

I've asked the DVD project's OFFICIAL coordinators to answer to (and rebuke) the spamming activities of various individuals on this site, and they haven't answered.

Skepticism regarding this project is appropriate at this time.

So

On July 25th, 2008 vincebodie says:

I've asked your friends and family to answer to your continued spamming of this topic, and so far they haven't answered.

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wouldnt you get further by contacting Ed Griffin and asking HIM

On July 25th, 2008 Jinc says:

if its a scam? Maybe ask to see HIS personal info too? I mean gosh Jack- if he's serious about the project surely he'd want someone like you knowing all of his details right? Get Griffin to crack and admit that he's risking his rather extensive life's work and reputation for his share of a quick few grand from us and Ill be the first to say "Ive been had".

www.dvds4delegates.com

DUH!!??

On July 25th, 2008 4Constitution says:

i have a question does it surprise you in the least that bedr1 is the one posting this after your arguing with preferred....one in the same with the way he communicates. Not surprised at all!!

the one who is the scammer is bedr1 aka preferred.