Bob Barr to be on Countdown w/ Keith Olberman tonight!
Posted July 25th, 2008 by tajitj
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Listen to what Barr is saying nowdays. We need to use him to futher our message. I bet they talk about Dr. Paul tonight!
Also there is a AOL poll that includes Barr.
No Baldwin or write-in Paul, go over there and let them know who you will vote for.
http://news.aol.com/elect...
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Barr should make statements like this "If the Republican Party had any sense they would reconsider and nominate Ron Paul". How come he hasn't said this?
Because Dr. Paul
dropped out of the race. He publicly announced this. Paul also said he hopes Barr gets a lot of votes.
Barr did try to draft Dr. Paul to run Libertarian, before he himself choosing to run.
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Don't blame me that there's no voice for liberty in opposition to McCain and Obama in the televised Presidential debates. I donated to Bob Barr.
Let's go with your argument
Isn't Barr attempting to pull voters away from McCain? If he really was he'd be using the Ron Paul support to his advantage. It's as if he's not even trying to up end McCain's fence sitters. He should be instigating discord in the Republican party. Using Ron Paul's name constantly,I mean constantly, would do this.
There's something not right about what's going on here. I'm not the brightest bulb on the tree, but I'm also not the dimmest.
Bet we dont hear from "preferred" after the convention
He'll change his name again before he DARE says "ok NOW are you ready to support Barr??". He'll pretend like he's brand spankin new- just you watch.
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Support all voices of liberty
I would just like to say that I seriously disliked Bob Barr about four/five years ago. He was a staunch supporter for the war on drugs. The war on drugs pushed me towards the libertarians; hence, that was my "schtick."
It makes no sense to me that we would just discredit someone for their past indiscretions. Aren't we all trying to convince people who believe in big government that there is a better way? And, if so, why then if someone begins to change their tune that we insist on castrating them for their past? Shouldn't we embrace Barr now that he speaks our language? What message are we sending to potential liberty loving individuals?
Not that I am a general that can dictate who people should support, but we should be supporting Ron Paul first. Then, after our convention and the RNC, we should mobilize to support the next liberty loving individual. Whether, its Baldwin, Barr or whomever else the point is people need to hear this message otherwise the revolution does not exist. Our division will rip us apart.
To emphasize this point, my yard will have two sides, tyrrants and patriots. Currently I am collecting political yard signs from all candidates and placing them in their respective category. Baldwin, Barr, and our hero Ron Paul will be delegated on the patriot side; meanwhile, McBama, and Hitlery get the tyrrant side.
Bottom line promote liberty!
You should take a picture
of your yard when you're done. That would be funny to see.
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Don't blame me that there's no voice for liberty in opposition to McCain and Obama in the televised Presidential debates. I donated to Bob Barr.
I agree
"Bottom line promote liberty!"
I agree. That's why I'll be voting for the best man for the job, Ron Paul. As much as I'd like to support Chuck Baldwin, Ron Paul is the most in line with my beliefs and values.
So I support the Ron Paul Campaign for Liberty.
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So why not
donate to Barr and Baldwin, but write-in "vote" for Paul? If you truly want to promote liberty you should be trying to get someone into the debates that is promoting it.
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Don't blame me that there's no voice for liberty in opposition to McCain and Obama in the televised Presidential debates. I donated to Bob Barr.
AND????????????
who gives a flying rat's ass?
Ron Paul
You have to think they will talk about Dr. Paul. That is why flying rats asses should care.
"also there is an AOL poll.."
"....that includes Barr.
No Baldwin or write-in Paul, go over there and let them know who you will vote for." I noticed that too. The MSM knows that there is a bigger movement to write -in Dr Paul regardless of how effective or ineffective anyone thinks that is- but conveniently leaves the choice as a generic "other". Id much rather have Barr in the mix than not- just to simply have another point of view to ponder than just McCain or Obama- but the lesserer of 3 evils is still evil. At this point im a fervent "other".
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Need to focus on RP and the Rally
Until the Rally is over and we see where things go from there I could care less about other candidates. We need to focus our energy on the message!
Yes we do, but...
if there is 80% chance of rain and you had your car windows down, would you wait for it to rain and then make a decision or should you plan ahead to safeguard yourself against being unprepared to fully combat the problem if it so arises?
voting Baldwin or Barr hardly requires a deep psychoanalytical
probe. There will be PLENTY of time after the convention to go in that direction. (feel free to devote pro-"other" time as we feel necessary at pro "other" sites) Until then we need to NOT leave our delegates alone on the battlefeild. They have all worked so hard to get this far and there is time on the clock. They need our support- we cant just walk out of the arena to go cheer another team - especially if there is a decided effort for a last big play. Until (and not one second before) John McCain gets the official nomination and ceases to be "presumptive" we should support Ron Paul and his delegates and their projects- as doomed as we think they may be. ESPECIALLY at the Daily Paul. It aint over til its over.
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How is it cheering another team?
Barr already has the nomination. He's not in competition with Paul.
All im saying is that if you want to vote Barr- cool
Just wait till AFTER the convention to try to get anyone at DP to offer support. This site has worked tirelessly to encourage its members to be involved in the delegate process for the convention and we should support them to the bitter end. There is little you can accomplish for Barr prior to the convention that cant be gained by waiting until after the convention. Wait until after the convention and youll have a captive audience- jumping the gun and asking for support from people who are still fighting for a miracle may alienate them. Let us see a clear win or loss at the convention and we can take a look at our options with undivided attention. I have a hard time seeing why Barr supporters are so militantly insistant in feeling like they need to win us over. If it were me looking for recruits- Id hang out at Huckabee's forum or Kucinich's or someone who's supporters have lost ALL hope and then after the convention swing by when we're receptive. Thats all im saying.
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Well,
it's probably a time issue. After McCains nomination, there's not time left. Barr supporters aren't trying to get you to VOTE for Barr. They're trying to get you to donate money, answer polls, etc, so that they can get him in the debates. He needs those things NOW, in order to get the popularity necessary to get in the debates. That's what's at stake here. I have my tickets for the Paul convention but I've also donated money to Barr. This is not inconsistent.
ok fair enough- I think you mean well and I appreciate that
but what makes you think Barr offering a watered down soundbyte here and there about "the message" will do anymore than Ron Pauls full strength version did at the repub debates? I keep hearing "we dont think Barr has a chance- we just want the message to be told" like its just a big 'ol ad campaign for the revolution- a little prime air time. That sounds like a spoiler to me- a way to get young people to vote Barr instead of Obama- and who benefits? McCain.
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He's not in competition with Paul
I'm voting for Ron Paul. He's a better man for the job than Bob Barr.
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No you're not voting for Ron Paul.
Try it and see.
You may be able to write his name on a ballot, but it won't be counted or registered. So it won't be a vote.
no, you're not voting for a ballot-qualified candidate
Try it and see.
You may be able to cast your "ballot" electronically, but there is no way of knowing whether it will be counted or registered.
Black-box voting has corrupted the integrity of the vote. Electronic balloting and vote-counting systems running proprietary software that cannot be publicly audited amount to a secret "count" of the vote.
So it won't be a vote.
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Oh I see
You're one of THOSE.
carry on then
im one of THOSE too..
after seeing court testimony (under oath mind you) by the software programmer who MADE the program used to flip the votes. No one clings to so much bs as truth- you know the truth you just "prefer" to play for the wrong side.
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Yeah
I'm one of THOSE who want fair and transparent elections. And as far as I know human beings can still count, so there is no need for electronic balloting or counting systems running proprietary software.
It's a radical concept especially when you consider that ALL VOTES were once write-in votes.
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Barr has been solid
And with his impeachment testimony today, is getting more solid daily.
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I respectfully disagree...
I can't get past Barr's Viet Dinh-authored, U.S.A. "Patriot" Act vote. But I encourage everyone to exercise their own independent thought, principles, judgment and conscience when choosing whomsoever they wish to vote for, including the best man for the job, Ron Paul.
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here is your answer JKAP
I'm almost too tired to repeat it, but lets try one more time for the misinformed.
Barr and Paul voted AGAINST the Patriot Act in the first vote in the house - it passed anyway.
Then the Senate Passed it.
Then it had to go to the compromise committee to iron out the differences between the two chambers. Barr was invited as one of the members of the committee, Ron Paul was not.
Now remember it ALREADY Passed both the Senate and the House.
In exchange for Barr getting on the committee, he had to promise to vote for the final version.
In the committee, Barr single handedly added sunset provisions and weakened the wording of the Patriot Act, all with the approval of Ron Paul and his staff.
It was the right thing to do, but now Barr even regrets doing that, saying the Administration totally used the Patriot Act in the wrong ways.
Barr is one of the leading advocates of privacy rights, and has been so since he started his carreer back in the 1990's.
In a recent interview
When asked about a possible endorsement for Barr, Ron Paul said that he won't be endorsing anyone UNTIL AFTER THE SEPTEMBER Rally, indicating to me that he was considering endorsing Barr either after the republican convention or at the Rally.
What will everyone do if Ron Paul Endorses Barr in September ? ?
I regret Barr's vote on the "Patriot" Act as well...
...that's why he won't be receiving my vote.
But really, just save your breath. If I wanted to hear people rationalizing votes for anti-liberty legislation, like the Viet Dinh-authored U.S.A. "Patriot" Act, I'd sign up for the Barack H. Obama forums.
By the way, Bob Barr indeed voted FOR the "Patriot" Act (HR 3162). You are confused.
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Why Even Barr-haters Should Vote for Barr in the AOL Poll
And every other poll, especially the real ones...
Right now, McCain is beating Obama. That must change. The stronger McCain looks, the less the GOP needs Ron Paul and/or his supporters.
Voting for Obama won't help. Most polls already show him as a shoo-in. They don't need us.
The bigger the number for Barr, the more value the Ron Paul supporters have to the GOP because it measures support for Freedom at all costs, regardless of the chances of winning. It makes it necessary for them to reach out. If they don't, Barr must get credit for the McCain loss, so that the next cycle, everyone in the dominant parties moves toward the libertarian center.
IMissLiberty
Sorry, voted for "other"
I am not a "Bob Barr hater" -- but I dislike Mr. Barr's voting record in Congress and the fact that he is ex-CIA.
I will not be casting any votes for him online or otherwise.
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Good Compromise
I really hope people vote 3rd party no matter who it is.
Well, I'm sorry to disappoint you...
....but I'll be voting for the best man for the job, Ron Paul. So I will not be voting 3rd party. Unless, that is, conditions change and I change my mind based upon my own independent thought, principles, judgment and conscience.
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Jkap
Dvdfordelegates is a money grabbing scam - they are not transparent, you can't even tell from "whois", who is leading that effort. Who has the bank accounts, are they a not for profit, are they registered?
No they are making money on Ron Paul backers, plain and simple.
If you think that a silly dvd is going to change the mind of a neocons like Kit Bond and all the other party establishment that are going to be delegates, then I have a bridge to nowhere to sell you.
So, according to bedr1
that means G. Edward Griffin is also a scam. NOT! Time to get a new username, because now everybody at DP knows that bedr1 is completely full of shit!
Ha ha Gil - he is not the one collecting the money
G. Edward Griffin is not the one collecting the money, its a nice juicy paycheck
You're a scam
DVDS4DELEGATES.COM is trying to wake people up.
Maybe you want to tell the proprietor of The Daily Paul, since DVDS4DELEGATES.COM keeps appearing on the FRONT PAGE of the Daily Paul.
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Really Jkap - the dvd project is a scam
You have no idea what you are talking about
Let me be clear - there is no way in 1000 years the dvd project is going to do jack. You are high on crack if you think so.
What it is, very simply, is someone making money on the back of Ron Paul
Its a way for the PAC to make money.
I would love to see Ron Paul endorse that project, then I will get on board.
Until then, can you show me where the money is going - who's getting paid and how much? Where are they registered with which state, where is their not for profit status - are they making money on this. Whatever!!!
I know delegates and they haven't received crap from that project.
Its a freakin way for them to make a nice paycheck.
In addition, why is not tax deductible?
I'll tell you why, because its a PAC, and therefore there are people getting paid to run the PAC. So most of what you are donating is going to pay someone. I am a Barr supporter and I hate Barr's PAC because its useless and wastes more money than it sends out.
OK 3rd Party of No Party
I forgot the Paul write-in. I really wish we were all behind that and he got 1.2 million write-ins. It just will not happen. But they can use their vote however they want.
Wonder how Paul write-in people vote down ballot?
Looks like
your thoughts, principles, judgement, and conscience need examining and modification, because they're leading you in an irrational direction.
Thanks, but no thanks
I noticed that you left out the word "independent." I guess you don't understand what "independent" thoughts, principles, judgment and conscience mean.
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It's no surprise
It's no surprise that someone who said: "Duh. From my experience, I don't consider most people on this forum rational" wouldn't understand what "independent" meant.
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You tell me what that means then.
Does it mean close minded? You aren't willing to accept argumentation to be convinced otherwise?
You want to put lipstick on the pig
What? You want to put lipstick on the pig that is Barr's anti-liberty voting-record in Congress? Save it. If I wanted to hear people rationalizing votes for anti-liberty legislation, like the Viet Dinh-authored U.S.A. "Patriot" Act, I'd sign up for the Barack H. Obama forums.
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That's not what we're talking about
What's on trial here is your principles. I contend that they're flawed.
Promoting Freedom is a multi-front war
And Bob Barr is doing his small part. I'm not particularly excited about his candidacy. I haven't yet decided if I will vote Barr, Baldwin, or not vote at all. But I think the hating on Barr is counterproductive. Bringing up the Patriot Act is silly because he was a Republican then and has since left the GOP and become a libertarian. And he did that nearly four years ago, long before the Revolution came around and it became more fashionable to believe in liberty. The whole point of our movement is to win hearts and minds- to convince people of the correctness of the freedom message. We should be trying to create as many Bob Barr's as we can. I totally understand why people aren't going gaga over Barr. He's not libertarian as he should be and he hasn't really done anything to reach out and embrace our movement. There will be no Barrvolution. But I still think the more votes he or Baldwin get, the better and we'd probably be better off directing our negative energies on Obama and McCain, because they are the true enemies here.
Barr Shills Busted for Supporting Bush on impeachment thread!
[from the impeachment thread]
***On July 25th, 2008 preferred says:
"There has been no evidence at all that Bush committed a crime. I don't see any way that Bush would be impeached. Impeachment is the filing of formal charges. Without strong probable cause they he broke the law, it's not going to happen.
This is just political grandstanding, and everyone there knows it."
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Hey, "preferred," one of the Barr supporters on here, support Bush much???
You government mole troll.
ANYONE who sticks up for
GWB is a flat out enemy to freedom and to our Constitution. Careful mole "preferred" your colors are showing. The Patriot Act was the same tactics they used in Nazi Germany. GWB is guilty for the mass genocide of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's and leading the American people to war based on a lie. He is guilty of enslaving us and generations to come even futher to pay for this monstrausity. Why? because he is an oil man. His priorities lie with wealth of himself and his henchmen and not with the American people. He is NWO scum. He is a key player in the destruction of this country. You futher your agenda on DP, by promoting Barr, we SEE right thru you.. Barr voted for the Patriot Act, which was written by a commie. Either he was too stupid to understand it or he knew the ramifications of it, now which is it, troll? If you vote for Barr, you might as well go vote for Obama, they both are singing a nice song. You judge a decent man by his works. I am sure the real owners of this country are having a ball and laughing thier a**s off at this election. Do you really think you have a choice other than what they have given you? Do you really think they will let someone who is NOT on the team play? Get real.Get Ammo, get food and GET READY PEOPLE.
Double Post
:)
I love the attempt to discredit all Barr supporters...
I think it's curious why this poster is trying to discredit all Barr supporters by the comments of one Barr supporter. It almost laughable until one realizes that trying to discredit Barr and his many supporters was the posters real intent...talk about "disinfo".