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In big shift, U.S. is seen as winning war in Iraq

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ASSOCIATED PRESS
July 27, 2008

In big shift, U.S. is seen as winning war in Iraq
By Robert Burns and Robert H. Reid

BAGHDAD – The United States is now winning the war that two years ago seemed lost.

Limited, sometimes sharp fighting and periodic terrorist bombings in Iraq are likely to continue, possibly for years.

But the Iraqi government and the United States are able to shift focus from mainly combat to mainly building the fragile beginnings of peace – a transition many found almost unthinkable as recently as one year ago.

Despite the occasional bursts of violence, Iraq has reached the point where the insurgents, who once controlled whole cities, no longer have the clout to threaten the central government's viability.

That doesn't mean the war has ended or U.S. troops have no role in Iraq. It means the combat phase is ending, years past the time when President Bush optimistically declared it had.

The new phase focuses on training the Iraqi army and police; restraining the flow of illicit weaponry from Iran; supporting closer links between Baghdad and local governments; pushing the integration of former insurgents into legitimate government jobs; and assisting in rebuilding the economy.

Scattered battles go on, especially against al-Qaeda holdouts north of Baghdad. But organized resistance, with the steady drumbeat of bombings, kidnappings, assassinations and ambushes that once rocked the capital daily, has all but ceased.

This amounts to more than a lull in the violence. It reflects a fundamental shift in the outlook for the Sunni minority, which held power under Saddam Hussein. They launched the insurgency five years ago. Today, they're either sidelined or have switched sides to cooperate with the Americans in return for money and political support.

Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, told The Associated Press last week that there are early indications the senior leaders of al-Qaeda may be considering shifting their main focus from Iraq to the war in Afghanistan.

Ryan Crocker, the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, said in an interview Thursday that the insurgency as a whole has withered to the point where it's no longer a threat to Iraq's future.

“Very clearly, the insurgency is in no position to overthrow the government or, really, even to challenge it,” Crocker said.

“It's actually almost in no position to try to confront it. By and large, what's left of the insurgency is just trying to hang on,” Crocker said.

Shiite militias, notably the Mahdi Army of radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, have lost their power bases in Baghdad, Basra and other major cities. An important step was the routing of Shiite extremists in the Sadr City slums of eastern Baghdad this spring – now a quiet although not fully secure district.

Al-Sadr and top lieutenants are in Iran. Still talking of a comeback, they are facing major obstacles, including a loss of support among a Shiite population weary of war and no longer as terrified of Sunni extremists as they were two years ago.

Despite the favorable signs, U.S. commanders are leery of proclaiming victory or promising that the calm will last.

The premature declaration by the Bush administration of “Mission Accomplished” in May 2003 convinced commanders that the best public relations strategy is to promise little, and couple all good news with the warning that “security is fragile” and the improvements, while encouraging, are “not irreversible.”

Iraq continues to face a mountain of problems: sectarian rivalries, power struggles within the Sunni and Shiite communities, Kurdish-Arab tensions, corruption. Any one of those could rekindle widespread fighting.

But the underlying dynamics in Iraqi society that blew up the U.S. military's hopes for an early exit, shortly after the fall of Baghdad in April 2003, have changed in important ways in recent months.

Systematic sectarian killings have all but ended in the capital, in large part because of tight security and a strategy of walling off neighborhoods purged of minorities in 2006. That has helped establish a sense of normalcy in the streets of Baghdad.

Iraqis are expressing a new confidence in their security forces, which in turn are exhibiting a newfound assertiveness with the insurgency largely in retreat.

Statistics show violence at a four-year low. The monthly U.S. death toll appears to be at its lowest of the war – four killed in action this month as of Friday, compared with 66 in July a year ago. From a daily average of 160 insurgent attacks in July 2007, the average has plummeted to about two dozen a day this month. On Wednesday, the nationwide total was 13.

Beyond that, there is something in the air in Iraq this summer.

In Baghdad, parks are filled every weekend with families playing and picnicking with their children. That was unthinkable a year ago, when the first, barely visible signs of a turnaround emerged.

A moment has arrived for the Iraqis to try to take those positive threads and weave them into a lasting stability.

The questions facing both Americans and Iraqis are: What kinds of help will the country need from the U.S. military, and for how long?

The questions will take on greater importance as the U.S. presidential election nears, with one candidate pledging a troop withdrawal and the other insisting on staying.

Iraqi authorities have grown dependent on the U.S. military after more than five years of war. While they're aiming for full sovereignty with no foreign troops on their soil, they don't want to rush. In a similar sense, the Americans fear that after losing more than 4,100 troops, the sacrifice could be squandered.

U.S. commanders say a substantial U.S. military presence will be needed beyond 2009. But judging from the security gains that have been made over the first half of this year – as the Pentagon withdrew five Army brigades sent as reinforcements in 2007 – the remaining troops could be used as peacekeepers more than combatants.

As a measure of the transitioning U.S. role, Maj. Gen. Jeffery Hammond said that when he took command of U.S. forces in the Baghdad area about seven months ago, he was spending 80 percent of his time working on combat-related matters and about 20 percent on what the military calls “nonkinetic” issues, such as supporting the development of Iraqi government institutions and humanitarian aid.

Today, Hammond estimates those percentage have been almost reversed.

Robert Burns is AP's chief military reporter, and Robert Reid is AP's chief of bureau in Baghdad. Reid has covered the war from his post in Iraq since the U.S. invasion in March 2003. Burns, based in Washington, has made 21 reporting trips to Iraq; on his latest during July, Burns spent nearly three weeks in central and northern Iraq, observing military operations and interviewing U.S. and Iraqi officers.

© 2008 Union-Tribune Publishing Co

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Yes, I do believe somebody is winning something in Iraq

And this somebody is not the US nor the Iraqi citizens!

By the way, I read today that some 60 people died today across Iraq due to suicide bombing.... so much about a stable Iraq!

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This dog and pony show

is propaganda just my two cents. Peace

Everything the White House says is a lie

Ahh the Donald - you gotta love the man....

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irrational, emotionalist junk

You cannot "win" an occupation, same as you cannot have a "war" against a psychological state (terror) or a nefarious tactic (terrorism). But we have all of these Orwellian constructs in this country thanks to the criminals, psychopaths and murderers in the echelons of the Federal Government.

Really, even total submission (whatever that might look like) by the Iraqi and Afghanistani people would not mean the "war" was won and the troops could come home. It would only mean that the corporate-imperialists/world-communists would be able to impose their will upon these largely innocent people even more pervasively and with less pretense. Then in their fealty, the Iraqi and Afghanistani people would learn to live with a permanent foreign occupier, as have the Japanese, the Koreans, the Germans and countless others around the globe.

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It's probably just me....

...but another thing that I've never understood, is why any sane person would call the installation of yet another tyrannical government a "victory"? It's only a "victory" for those who love and use the power of government to oppress others. It's certainly no victory for those stuck living under the thumb of said government. To me, the only true victory would be one that resulted in complete freedom from any and all lying, thieving, murderous governments. But like I said, it's probably just me.......

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You Know

When you kill upwards of 200,000 people they kind of start to give up and it appears that you are winning. You haven't won anything except future backlash.

I pray for us. Not only have the repubs lost their way, we as Amercians have lost our way and turned away from the Light.

Yeah, things are just hunky-dory in Iraq. Uh-huh.....

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Suicide attacks kill 57 in Baghdad, Kirkuk (AP)

They have to say this...

Because they want McCain to win.

What do we win?

Slide whistles and LED Yo-Yo's? Painted, plastic distractions, all.

Give us a fu$#ing break.

Complete

patriot7

and utter HORSESHIT!! What we have here is propaganda in high gear! These people have no shame. They have no ethics, no heart and no soul!!

Just more propaganda HORSESHIT!! Where is this writer writing from? The green zone? Of course, he is. This is to prepare us for the new assault on Iran, I mean, common, the US would never admit defeat, they never did in Vietnam. These people are fucking idiots, the Military and the Administration.

They've got to put a happy face on the situation. Bush, if he leaves office and all his minions will be chased by the world for the rest of their natural born lives for the carnage war crimes and treason they have done!!

I would bet that this news

I would bet that this news is being released today in order to help calm the financial markets after several more banks failed Friday evening.

Win or Lose

We still lose and have lost.

Winning?

In God We Trust!

Winning? Did someone say we are winning? Please don't include me in with the "We" or the "U.S."

Do you define winning by killing over 1 million civilians?
Do you define winning by losing your liberties?
Do you define winning by looking forward to another mass killing in Iran?
Winning?
This damned country with it's piss ass congress and bloody executive branch deem themselves winners too?

They have no love for man nor fear of God.

They all are headed for the deep pit where they will forever find the true meaning of their treacheries!

They will never have another days peace........forever!

That's what I was thinking.

They want to say they can ease off Iraq just so they can go full steam ahead to Iran. On to the next battleoilfeild. Barf!

I'm going

I'm going to throw a victory party and call all the troops home... infact.. lets call all troops home from everywhere and discharge most of them.

"Winning" means

that we've successfully installed our puppet gov't and killed off enough freedom fighters to hold power.

The Neocons will now run Iraq, and we'll have huge military presence there to ensure their compliance, or else.

Ain't empire grand?!

My sentiments too, T!

Just in time to send them to Iran, after we bomb it and Bushes declare Martial Law!

Obomba thinks we should finish the job in Afghanistan too.

ALL those who said they want to "win the war" NEVER defined exactly what that was...

Why Did it Take So Long

I blame the Army generals who made it through their careers to become bureaucrats. They should take total blame as to why it took us from summer 03 to Jan 07 to realize we didnot have enough troops. Now will it hold up. Not likely, they will have to fight it out. Sadam came to power because he was the most ruthless. The Maliki govt will have to crack down hard an any group who opposes the central govt.

Whether you agreed with going in or not, we should expect the people running the war to be competent. Going in with so few troops and disbanning the Iraqi Army caused this insurgency. The generals and pathetic CPA have alot of blood on their hands.

"Now it will hold up" Is that what you think?

How long do you want US troops deployed in Iraq? 100 years? As for Saddam coming to power "because he was the most ruthless", have you forgotten which country funded his regime and armed it in the first place?

-"Ron Paul cured me of my predilection for Che Guevara T shirts."

Read again

now will it hold up.
NOT
now it will hold up.

"have you forgotten which country funded his regime and armed it in the first place?" Yes we did. And we are doing the same for the new govt. What is your point. The current plan is to fund and make Maliki the iron fist of the counrty so we can leave. It is pathetic.

Sorry. I misunderstood.

Sounds like we actually agree on that issue.

-"Ron Paul cured me of my predilection for Che Guevara T shirts."

that's like

starting to sober up and realizing you're winning the stupid street brawl you somehow got yourself into.

And moving in with the guy you were fighting with.

:-)

-"Ron Paul cured me of my predilection for Che Guevara T shirts."

They were paying insurgents $10 a day each, not to fight.

A story written in Feb. 2008, said the reason the surge was working, was that the Sunni insurgents were getting paid $800,000 a day ($10 a day/each) not to fight. Our tax dollars at work!

Lol

...because sometimes all you can do is laugh.

For liberty!! *gong*

Then what are the US troops still doing there?

If the puppet "Iraqi government" had any popular mandate at all, the US troops would not be required in the first place. Ask John McCain. He wants American forces to occupy Iraq for 100 years to maintain the empire.

-"Ron Paul cured me of my predilection for Che Guevara T shirts."

That's good news. Let's celebrate.

But, what is worth the cost? I don't think so. The fundamental issue is not if we can win wars. Of course we can. The issue is whether we should be fighting them in the first place.

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Permanent US bases in Iraq are "good news"?

Really?

-"Ron Paul cured me of my predilection for Che Guevara T shirts."

I feel sick

...and dirty, somehow, after reading this.

Though seemingly a small (micro-cosmic) concession to the desire to vacate the Iraq/Iran theater, all I'm hearing is the same platitudes and rhetoric leading up to Afghanistan/Pakistan/Whoeverelse, though with increasing frequency, decreasing originality, and a stunning display of "papa knows best" audacity from failed political leaders. This entire article is completely insulting to anyone paying close attention to the region's conflicts, and yet, the spin is at once so brazen, yet so beautifully subtle in parts, that it actually comes across as news to the uninformed, with a positive outlook.

My government is beating me because it loves me.

I wonder, where can I find the baseball bat...?

For liberty!! *gong*