Planet Xers have now joined in with 2012 doomsdayers. If I'm not mistaken, planet x was supposed to have happened 2 or three times in the past. Now they have choosen 2012 as their doomsday.
From what I understand, December 21, 2012 is the end/beggining of the Mayan long calendar. The suns equator is to pass through the galactic plane (denses part of the milkyway, hence, making us more vulnerable in smacking into something or something smacking into us.).
Now, from my research it takes the sun 36 years to traverse through the galactic plane. It started in 1980 and ends in 2016. Now the plane and the equator intersecting happened in 1998. So the Mayan doomsday has come and gone. One still has to be impressed that the Mayans were only 14 years off with their calculations. That's mind blowing in itself, considering the primative tools and calculations they had.
Some of the websites I visited and youtube videos are stuck on thinking this happens every 26k years. (It's the earth precession that happens every 26k years). This equator/plane intersection happens every 32 million years.
Okay, now I'm finished venting and not so peed-off at the Planet Xers.
Now that I think of it, I'm now peed-off at the fear mongerers. Gesh!
planet x isn't a planet at all. it's a space ship. its the mother of all bases in our solar system and the UFO's(some) we see more and more of are the shuttle craft. cool huh!
They've been building shelters, bumkers, all kinds of things but it won't matter. IF you didn't know that learn something first before you spew your retarded uninformative sarcasm. Comparing Nibiru to Y2K is pure ignorance but if you survive then you can laugh at my face or my ashes... :)
I realised that the way the"elite" is acting is a dead give away that they are on a deadline. It seems obvious if you dig that they believe in a lot of stuff which we are taught to ridicule and ignore. This plan has been going for Centuries and they have had setbacks which they absorbed and carried on in a different way. It could be that the deadline is just getting there, before we all wake up, but my gut says they have a hard deadline. One give away is all the Doomsday seedbanks they are rushing to build right now. They seem to be sprinting for the line in a desperate manner but now they are wading in the water which we are collectively converting to jelly (jello).
That may be overstating it some, but a forewarned, quick mass extinction would change things for us all while we were still here. See you in the next 'place'...
Doc Holiday
I agree with your comments. I have done the same research as you. I have no ideas what, if anything is coming but I accept that it may happen. I have looked at some of the videos at the website but because it covers so much in a short time people may reject it out of hand as crazy. I have only read one of Zacharia Sitchen 's book "Genesis Revisited" and found it interesting and after it I had a lot more respect for the Bible than I had before. There also issues like the possiblity of pole shifts due to the galactic alignment. I have come to the conclusion that we should prepare ourselves for whatever happens. Infact it doesn't matter exactly what you believe will happen you just need to educate yourself in as many areas as possible in survival and growing food storing seeds, all the kinds of things people are doing here already. The only thing I would say is for people who live close to the coast to think about moving inland and higher up.
It was a preachy, but I found it a very interesting. If you haven't
seen this you will probably find it interesting "Banned from the Bible" http://www.youtube.com/wa...
It covers some of the same material but a more pro Christian perpsective
I think I believe Jesus really existed but his message was corrupted by the Church. Muslims texts apparently mention more about the early years of Jesus than are included in the Bible. Things like the "Book of Enoch" provide food for thought.
Are you aware of the theories about Moses being the Pharoah Tutmoses . The rate of the "revelation"of all this stuff is accelerating exponentially, as it was itself predicted in the bible..
If you look closely into the "Book of Enoch" you'll find a mother lode of references to spacecraft, Nibiru, the Annunaki, etc..... much more than you find in the 'approved' books of the Bible. I think that's the very reason it was excluded by the 'church'. There are also rumors of a vast archive of text and artifacts (which would completely eviscerate church doctrines and support the Sitchin theory) that the 'church' has stored away and hidden from view except from the few elites who know the real story.
Thanks for your comments! By all means, read the rest of the Earth Chronicles series. The information they contain is incredibly interesting and valuable. I agree with you that ultimately beliefs don't matter.... the events will happen irregardless of anyone's belief system. I think that the more educated we are as a species, however, the better equipped we will all be able to survive and navigate the changes which will occur. When these events start happening, just think of how confusing and frightning it will be for the people who have no background knowledge whatsoever! I think it will be even harder on those who are 'religious' (especially the fundamentalist Christians), because they have such an emotional investment in their belief system and their doctrines are such a far cry from reality. Here are links for the other Sitchin books:
I thought it was important to be supportive to these views because everyone should at least be informed enough about these issues that they can make an intelligent descision about anything that unfolds. In exactly the same way they should be informed about the views of Ron Paul on the economy people should at least look at these issues seriously. I was an non-believer in God before investigating much of this stuff but I now find myself in the other camp. I believe that both evolution and creation are true as far as they go, but I believe that creation is not over, we have not reached the pinacle of gods creativity. Many people seem to believe that history is the past, and that nothing much is going to happen from now on, how wrong they are ..! I am not sure if I believe in the Annunaki if they exist they are demi gods,and if they exist I have no idea whether they are good or bad, I suspect they are somewhere in between,like us. I agree that the irony is that even though the bible may be far more literally correct than many people realise the people who may be least happy about it would be many Christians. If these are "end times" I would like to end with a thought, the point of prophecy is not to inform us what will happen but to warn us about what could happen, we have a choice how "Revelations" story turns out. For a true Christian averting the battle of Amegedon should be a priority, not encouraging it in order to see Jesus, because anyone who encourages war is surely on the wrong side whether they think they are Christian or not.
Yes, there are lots youtube videos out there on this subject, and unfortunately many of them are not accurate, but don't let their inaccuracies in physics/astronomy cause you to throw the whole idea out the window. I have spent years studying the works of Zecharia Sitchin and can tell you with no reservation that his work is the epitome of methodical and carefully applied research. He makes no claims which are not supported by evidence and basic logic, and I have the highest respect for his ethics. http://www.sitchin.com/in...
As an archeologist and researcher, he has solved most of the mysteries surrounding the Bible, legends common to all cultures (such as the 'Great Flood', the 'Epic of Gilgamesh' etc), the construction and purpose of the pyramids, the purpose of Baalbek http://atheism.about.com/..., the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, even down to the commonalities between languages and cultures from opposite sides of the world.
The evidence that we have undeniably suggests that planet X (Nibiru), is real and has a 3,600 year orbit through our solar system. http://www.amazon.com/12t...
Our origins are not what we have been taught, at least in the "supernatural/Biblical" sense (although when viewed LITERALLY from the standpoint of Sitchin's work, most of the Bible is pretty accurate).
This planet was spotted back in the 80's via infared telescope (and again this last year from an observatory in Anarcticia) and got a bit of press before it was quickly hushed up. What most people fail to realize is that this knowledge has been supressed and covered up by the establishment in order to maintain religious and political control, and is not only a factor in the politics of the 'globalist' movement, but is THE factor which is influencing the seemingly insane events surrounding us today. The fact is that this planet and it's inhabitants are returning to this part of the solar system and it is coming relatively soon. All the Biblical writings about the "Day of the Lord" and the "Return" aren't referring to some anthropomorphic spiritual 'return', they are referring to the RETURN OF THIS PLANET (which, by the way, due to it's gravitational effects would cause the earthquakes, violent weather, moon turning to 'blood', and other bad geological events predicted in the book of Revelation) .
The secret societies of today such as the Masons, Illuminati etc, all have their roots in the knowledge of the secrets surrounding our history and origins which are connected to this planet and its inhabitants. The 'elites' use this knowledge to control the world's populations and economies, and their current plans and schemes are directly related to their knowledge of the return of this planet. There is a field of research called "Exopolitics" which ties all of this together, and connects the dots between current politics and the knowledge of our extraterrestrial origins and future return of this planet. The fact that this event will probably happen somewhere between 2012 and 2087 (according to Sitchin) helps to explain the acceleration of political events were seeing today. I don't endorse everything on this site, but many of the theories presented here make sense, especially regarding our irrational occupation of Iraq, the country which was 'home base' for the previous operations of the beings from this planet, Nibiru. Check it out: http://www.exopolitics.or... http://www.exopolitics.or...
I know it's a lot to digest.... it has taken me a few years to convince myself that this is real and to grasp the big picture, but now that I'm through the shock and denial, it really has given me some peace of mind to finally understand many of the things that never made sense before. Happy reading.
Having read the entire Earth Chronicles, I too feel that many of my questions about the Bible have been answered. It also puts todays current events into a clearer perspective. I can't help but feel that the secret societies of today are very aware of our origins and may very well be the continued bloodlines of the Annunaki.
My thoughts as well. That's exactly why the 'nobility' were always so inbred. I'm sure you're aware of the terms "sang real" (royal blood)and "san greal" (holy grail)?
I'm looking for real scientific evidence, and books that deal mostly with interpretations of ancient text by a self-proclaimed scholar won't help much with that. Also, the *very* basics and origins of his ideas about this are shown to be false by legitimate scholars: http://www.michaelsheiser... http://sitchiniswrong.com...
What I've read about Sitchin and his books so far has been rather unimpressive. I'm all for open minds, but if it's so open and lacking of any filter it can cause you to make your passionate interest into a faithless belief
To summarize the "proof" section of this mockery of my intellegence, they essencially say, planet x is 4 to 8 earth masses and a brown dwarf that's in an eliptical orbit around the sun. U.S. news reported this object at 50 billion miles away in 1984 and last we heard it was spotted approximately 7 billion miles away in 1992 and heading toward us, according to a nasa study.
Just take a second and do the math, based on the evidence presented, planet x traveled approx. 43 billion miles in approx. 8 years. If that's the case then it's traveling approx. 5.375 billion miles a year. Based on these facts we all must have missed planet x when it cruised right on by without anyone noticing sometime in 1994.
The sun's gravitational pull beyond the termination shock (the edge of the solar system and interstellar space) is minimal at best, at 7.8 to 8.7 billion miles out. If planet x could defy all laws of physics and keep an elliptical orbit of 100 billion miles, it would pass through the inner solar system every 18 and half years at it's current rate of travel.
Also, present models predict a brown dwarf must have at least twice the mass of jupiter to have enough gravity to ignite and reach brown dwarf statis. In the video they say nasa discovered an object 4 to 8 earth masses. That's fine, problem is 4 to 8 earth masses isn't even in the ballpark of a brown dwarf. Jupiter is more than 1000 earth masses and you need twice that to start the fusion process. Tell me where I'm wrong, and I'll eat my words.
I'd suggest reading Sitchin's books and applying a healthy amount of skepticism to NASA's 'findings' before throwing the baby out with the bath water. Your logic is good, but based on incorrect information.
I'll back anything based on real scientific research. I'm not saying there's nothing out there, but I'm definately saying this video is bunk. I'll look into this Sitchin guy's work, but based on the information presented by this video, please explain to me what information I presented in my argument that is incorrect. Like I said, tell me where I'm wrong and I'll eat my words.
Glad to see an open mind! I think that alot of these videos (at least in the specifics they offer) are bunk, but I do believe that the planet exists and is trapped in a long ellipitcal orbit around our sun. The information I have issue with is the NASA estimates for the 'distances' that you were using to make your calculations. I don't believe they are even close. As you pointed out, utilizing those figures makes the orbital path and velocity of the planet an impossiblity (at least when using the laws of physics). I also reject the idea that the planet is a 'brown dwarf'. I think in many ways it is similar to Earth, with an atmosphere, volcanic activity etc. I think that NASA knows far more about it than they reveal, just like they do about Cydonia, which is also intimately connected with the beings from the planet in question and their operations on Earth (see "The Monuments of Mars" by Richard C. Hoagland; ) http://www.amazon.com/Mon...
I am one of those that are always looking for THE answers and yes, never fully satisfied. It's funny how some of us pound on the walls forever and never become quite sated.
I must say though it is a great adventure and the philosophical discussions are just WAY too fun and exciting.
It is based on the behavior of objects that don't appear to exist but somehow must exist. The Planet-X theory is not much defferent. There is gravitational influence that suggests that there is some other body in or near our solar system.
As a seeker of truth for the last fourty years it would be ludicrous for me to not at least question or wonder about the possibility of a brown dwarf. Our solar system is by far abnormal unless perhaps be were actually a binary system. The brown dwarf theory answers many puzzling questions.
Zechariah Sitchin has devoted his life's work to translating ancient texts. The Sumerians had vast knowledge of the workings of our solar system and wrote extensively about Nibiru ("Planet X"). Check it out for yourself.
Sitchen's books are excellent. Also the Epic of Gilgamesh which I believe is an ancient Sumerian legend goes into great detail of the "creation" of our planet and does also describe Nibiru in some detail.
From memory I will try to relate what it says about how our earth was knocked into our current orbit around the sun.
About 4.5 Billion years ago there was a planet named Tiamut, the Watery Giant which was located between Mars and Jupiter, where the astroid belt is today. Well about 3.5 Billion years ago Nibiru came by on its timely revolution and one of it's seven moons smucked into Tiamut, knocking a big chunk out of it in the process. The smashed bits are now the astroid belt. Anyway, the smack was hard enough to send Tiamut closer toward the sun where it was captured by the suns gravitational influence and it settled into the orbit as the third planet from the sun - Earth!
Tiamut's moon was named Kingu (our moon today), as Kingu was "protecting" Tiamut it too took one hell of a shit kicking, hence the numerous craters we all can see today.
There are many astonomers today that believe that Earth was indeed between Mars and Jupiter and that something hit it damned hard and knocked it into our current position and also caused the astroid belt which is more than likely our wounded bits. The big chunk we are missing is where the Pacific Ocean is now.
That's it as far as I am going to get into it with this post. I am sure I could write a lot more on it but my glass of wine is empty...so there! :)
but i would have to say i am EXTREMELY skeptical of this planet X thing. most astronomers agree that it does not exist, and the recent revival in research on it certainly does not validate its existence.
id say keep researching with an open mind but i find this very difficult to believe. you've got to set your bar a little higher than believing in something because you saw a youtube documentary on it.
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be poetic justice if the elite take out 80 percent of the population planet X can revenge us. Alright! I won't have to come back and haunt those sob's. Peace Patriots
Peed-off at Planet Xers for joining 2012ers.
Planet Xers have now joined in with 2012 doomsdayers. If I'm not mistaken, planet x was supposed to have happened 2 or three times in the past. Now they have choosen 2012 as their doomsday.
From what I understand, December 21, 2012 is the end/beggining of the Mayan long calendar. The suns equator is to pass through the galactic plane (denses part of the milkyway, hence, making us more vulnerable in smacking into something or something smacking into us.).
Now, from my research it takes the sun 36 years to traverse through the galactic plane. It started in 1980 and ends in 2016. Now the plane and the equator intersecting happened in 1998. So the Mayan doomsday has come and gone. One still has to be impressed that the Mayans were only 14 years off with their calculations. That's mind blowing in itself, considering the primative tools and calculations they had.
Some of the websites I visited and youtube videos are stuck on thinking this happens every 26k years. (It's the earth precession that happens every 26k years). This equator/plane intersection happens every 32 million years.
Okay, now I'm finished venting and not so peed-off at the Planet Xers.
Now that I think of it, I'm now peed-off at the fear mongerers. Gesh!
Pacing north of your border.
Gnat and Doc. Do you know
Gnat and Doc. Do you know about Lloyd Pye?
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I've heard the name
I've heard the name mentioned and seen a few quotes etc, but haven't checked him out. I think he has a website, too. Thanks for the links!
Peace,
"Doc" Holladay
Nashville, TN
just fyi
planet x isn't a planet at all. it's a space ship. its the mother of all bases in our solar system and the UFO's(some) we see more and more of are the shuttle craft. cool huh!
we're all going to get wiped out :)
Wouldn't this be awesome If everyone just died then...?
The space people will pick us up at the last minute
ooops! I'm sorry I thought this was the Jonesreport....
All the Y2K people were looking for something to do?
So they got on Planet X....which sounds like the name for a discoteque (sp?)
The killer bees couldn't do it....
Aids couldn't do it......
Y2K couldn't do it....
Go Planet X you CAN do it!
The little planet that could!
Destroy the world and all the people who predicted it correctly will be right!
I guess this knocks the spit out of the survivalist scenario huh?
Doesn't do much for martial law either....
"I hereby declare martial law...."
"Uh..Mr. president?
"Yes?"
"See that big thing in the sky?"
"Holy sh%$ it's planet X!...screw martial law...run like hell!"
as if they don't...
They've been building shelters, bumkers, all kinds of things but it won't matter. IF you didn't know that learn something first before you spew your retarded uninformative sarcasm. Comparing Nibiru to Y2K is pure ignorance but if you survive then you can laugh at my face or my ashes... :)
I Started looking into all this when
I realised that the way the"elite" is acting is a dead give away that they are on a deadline. It seems obvious if you dig that they believe in a lot of stuff which we are taught to ridicule and ignore. This plan has been going for Centuries and they have had setbacks which they absorbed and carried on in a different way. It could be that the deadline is just getting there, before we all wake up, but my gut says they have a hard deadline. One give away is all the Doomsday seedbanks they are rushing to build right now. They seem to be sprinting for the line in a desperate manner but now they are wading in the water which we are collectively converting to jelly (jello).
Word...
Word...
LOL
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http://www.dvds4delegates...
http://www.flickr.com/pho...
awesome?
That may be overstating it some, but a forewarned, quick mass extinction would change things for us all while we were still here. See you in the next 'place'...
Planet X
Doc Holiday
I agree with your comments. I have done the same research as you. I have no ideas what, if anything is coming but I accept that it may happen. I have looked at some of the videos at the website but because it covers so much in a short time people may reject it out of hand as crazy. I have only read one of Zacharia Sitchen 's book "Genesis Revisited" and found it interesting and after it I had a lot more respect for the Bible than I had before. There also issues like the possiblity of pole shifts due to the galactic alignment. I have come to the conclusion that we should prepare ourselves for whatever happens. Infact it doesn't matter exactly what you believe will happen you just need to educate yourself in as many areas as possible in survival and growing food storing seeds, all the kinds of things people are doing here already. The only thing I would say is for people who live close to the coast to think about moving inland and higher up.
I too gained a new found
I too gained a new found respect and perspective for the bible from this study. Brush up on "The Council of Nicaea" for yet again a new found perspective.
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I Quite Enjoyed that
It was a preachy, but I found it a very interesting. If you haven't
seen this you will probably find it interesting "Banned from the Bible"
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
It covers some of the same material but a more pro Christian perpsective
I think I believe Jesus really existed but his message was corrupted by the Church. Muslims texts apparently mention more about the early years of Jesus than are included in the Bible. Things like the "Book of Enoch" provide food for thought.
Are you aware of the theories about Moses being the Pharoah Tutmoses . The rate of the "revelation"of all this stuff is accelerating exponentially, as it was itself predicted in the bible..
If you look closely into the
If you look closely into the "Book of Enoch" you'll find a mother lode of references to spacecraft, Nibiru, the Annunaki, etc..... much more than you find in the 'approved' books of the Bible. I think that's the very reason it was excluded by the 'church'. There are also rumors of a vast archive of text and artifacts (which would completely eviscerate church doctrines and support the Sitchin theory) that the 'church' has stored away and hidden from view except from the few elites who know the real story.
"Doc" Holladay
Nashville, TN
Thanks for your comments!
Thanks for your comments! By all means, read the rest of the Earth Chronicles series. The information they contain is incredibly interesting and valuable. I agree with you that ultimately beliefs don't matter.... the events will happen irregardless of anyone's belief system. I think that the more educated we are as a species, however, the better equipped we will all be able to survive and navigate the changes which will occur. When these events start happening, just think of how confusing and frightning it will be for the people who have no background knowledge whatsoever! I think it will be even harder on those who are 'religious' (especially the fundamentalist Christians), because they have such an emotional investment in their belief system and their doctrines are such a far cry from reality. Here are links for the other Sitchin books:
http://www.amazon.com/12t...
http://www.amazon.com/Sta...
http://www.amazon.com/War...
http://www.amazon.com/los...
http://www.amazon.com/Whe...
http://www.amazon.com/cos...
http://www.amazon.com/End...
Regards,
"Doc" Holladay
Nashville, TN
You are most Welcome
I thought it was important to be supportive to these views because everyone should at least be informed enough about these issues that they can make an intelligent descision about anything that unfolds. In exactly the same way they should be informed about the views of Ron Paul on the economy people should at least look at these issues seriously. I was an non-believer in God before investigating much of this stuff but I now find myself in the other camp. I believe that both evolution and creation are true as far as they go, but I believe that creation is not over, we have not reached the pinacle of gods creativity. Many people seem to believe that history is the past, and that nothing much is going to happen from now on, how wrong they are ..! I am not sure if I believe in the Annunaki if they exist they are demi gods,and if they exist I have no idea whether they are good or bad, I suspect they are somewhere in between,like us. I agree that the irony is that even though the bible may be far more literally correct than many people realise the people who may be least happy about it would be many Christians. If these are "end times" I would like to end with a thought, the point of prophecy is not to inform us what will happen but to warn us about what could happen, we have a choice how "Revelations" story turns out. For a true Christian averting the battle of Amegedon should be a priority, not encouraging it in order to see Jesus, because anyone who encourages war is surely on the wrong side whether they think they are Christian or not.
Don't rule it out!
Yes, there are lots youtube videos out there on this subject, and unfortunately many of them are not accurate, but don't let their inaccuracies in physics/astronomy cause you to throw the whole idea out the window. I have spent years studying the works of Zecharia Sitchin and can tell you with no reservation that his work is the epitome of methodical and carefully applied research. He makes no claims which are not supported by evidence and basic logic, and I have the highest respect for his ethics. http://www.sitchin.com/in...
As an archeologist and researcher, he has solved most of the mysteries surrounding the Bible, legends common to all cultures (such as the 'Great Flood', the 'Epic of Gilgamesh' etc), the construction and purpose of the pyramids, the purpose of Baalbek http://atheism.about.com/..., the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, even down to the commonalities between languages and cultures from opposite sides of the world.
The evidence that we have undeniably suggests that planet X (Nibiru), is real and has a 3,600 year orbit through our solar system.
http://www.amazon.com/12t...
Our origins are not what we have been taught, at least in the "supernatural/Biblical" sense (although when viewed LITERALLY from the standpoint of Sitchin's work, most of the Bible is pretty accurate).
This planet was spotted back in the 80's via infared telescope (and again this last year from an observatory in Anarcticia) and got a bit of press before it was quickly hushed up. What most people fail to realize is that this knowledge has been supressed and covered up by the establishment in order to maintain religious and political control, and is not only a factor in the politics of the 'globalist' movement, but is THE factor which is influencing the seemingly insane events surrounding us today. The fact is that this planet and it's inhabitants are returning to this part of the solar system and it is coming relatively soon. All the Biblical writings about the "Day of the Lord" and the "Return" aren't referring to some anthropomorphic spiritual 'return', they are referring to the RETURN OF THIS PLANET (which, by the way, due to it's gravitational effects would cause the earthquakes, violent weather, moon turning to 'blood', and other bad geological events predicted in the book of Revelation) .
The secret societies of today such as the Masons, Illuminati etc, all have their roots in the knowledge of the secrets surrounding our history and origins which are connected to this planet and its inhabitants. The 'elites' use this knowledge to control the world's populations and economies, and their current plans and schemes are directly related to their knowledge of the return of this planet. There is a field of research called "Exopolitics" which ties all of this together, and connects the dots between current politics and the knowledge of our extraterrestrial origins and future return of this planet. The fact that this event will probably happen somewhere between 2012 and 2087 (according to Sitchin) helps to explain the acceleration of political events were seeing today. I don't endorse everything on this site, but many of the theories presented here make sense, especially regarding our irrational occupation of Iraq, the country which was 'home base' for the previous operations of the beings from this planet, Nibiru. Check it out:
http://www.exopolitics.or...
http://www.exopolitics.or...
I know it's a lot to digest.... it has taken me a few years to convince myself that this is real and to grasp the big picture, but now that I'm through the shock and denial, it really has given me some peace of mind to finally understand many of the things that never made sense before. Happy reading.
"Doc" Holladay
Nashville, TN
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Right on Doc,
Having read the entire Earth Chronicles, I too feel that many of my questions about the Bible have been answered. It also puts todays current events into a clearer perspective. I can't help but feel that the secret societies of today are very aware of our origins and may very well be the continued bloodlines of the Annunaki.
Any thoughts
On the Merovingian Kings ??
My thoughts as well. That's
My thoughts as well. That's exactly why the 'nobility' were always so inbred. I'm sure you're aware of the terms "sang real" (royal blood)and "san greal" (holy grail)?
"Doc" Holladay
Nashville, TN
undeniably suggests huh...
undeniably suggests huh...
Do some homework, read the
Do some homework, read the Sitchin books, and then see what you think.
"Doc" Holladay
Nashville, TN
I'm looking for real
I'm looking for real scientific evidence, and books that deal mostly with interpretations of ancient text by a self-proclaimed scholar won't help much with that. Also, the *very* basics and origins of his ideas about this are shown to be false by legitimate scholars:
http://www.michaelsheiser...
http://sitchiniswrong.com...
What I've read about Sitchin and his books so far has been rather unimpressive. I'm all for open minds, but if it's so open and lacking of any filter it can cause you to make your passionate interest into a faithless belief
I hope this is satire.
To summarize the "proof" section of this mockery of my intellegence, they essencially say, planet x is 4 to 8 earth masses and a brown dwarf that's in an eliptical orbit around the sun. U.S. news reported this object at 50 billion miles away in 1984 and last we heard it was spotted approximately 7 billion miles away in 1992 and heading toward us, according to a nasa study.
Just take a second and do the math, based on the evidence presented, planet x traveled approx. 43 billion miles in approx. 8 years. If that's the case then it's traveling approx. 5.375 billion miles a year. Based on these facts we all must have missed planet x when it cruised right on by without anyone noticing sometime in 1994.
The sun's gravitational pull beyond the termination shock (the edge of the solar system and interstellar space) is minimal at best, at 7.8 to 8.7 billion miles out. If planet x could defy all laws of physics and keep an elliptical orbit of 100 billion miles, it would pass through the inner solar system every 18 and half years at it's current rate of travel.
Also, present models predict a brown dwarf must have at least twice the mass of jupiter to have enough gravity to ignite and reach brown dwarf statis. In the video they say nasa discovered an object 4 to 8 earth masses. That's fine, problem is 4 to 8 earth masses isn't even in the ballpark of a brown dwarf. Jupiter is more than 1000 earth masses and you need twice that to start the fusion process. Tell me where I'm wrong, and I'll eat my words.
I'd suggest reading
I'd suggest reading Sitchin's books and applying a healthy amount of skepticism to NASA's 'findings' before throwing the baby out with the bath water. Your logic is good, but based on incorrect information.
Regards,
Dr. William Holladay
Nashville, TN
I'll look into Sitchin's books
I'll back anything based on real scientific research. I'm not saying there's nothing out there, but I'm definately saying this video is bunk. I'll look into this Sitchin guy's work, but based on the information presented by this video, please explain to me what information I presented in my argument that is incorrect. Like I said, tell me where I'm wrong and I'll eat my words.
Glad to see an open mind! I
Glad to see an open mind! I think that alot of these videos (at least in the specifics they offer) are bunk, but I do believe that the planet exists and is trapped in a long ellipitcal orbit around our sun. The information I have issue with is the NASA estimates for the 'distances' that you were using to make your calculations. I don't believe they are even close. As you pointed out, utilizing those figures makes the orbital path and velocity of the planet an impossiblity (at least when using the laws of physics). I also reject the idea that the planet is a 'brown dwarf'. I think in many ways it is similar to Earth, with an atmosphere, volcanic activity etc. I think that NASA knows far more about it than they reveal, just like they do about Cydonia, which is also intimately connected with the beings from the planet in question and their operations on Earth (see "The Monuments of Mars" by Richard C. Hoagland; ) http://www.amazon.com/Mon...
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Dr. William Holladay
Nashville, TN
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I watched about 15 seconds.
That appears to be for these people: "ever learning, never able to come to knowledge of the truth"!
What do ya think?
Appears to be some sort of "mind manipulation" "injecting thoughts" thingy.
Oh and...
gee you watched 15 seconds. Great effort!
Laugh
I said it for a reason.
Space things I generally automatically rule out immediately, cause there well, "far out".
Actually
You are correct. :)
I am one of those that are always looking for THE answers and yes, never fully satisfied. It's funny how some of us pound on the walls forever and never become quite sated.
I must say though it is a great adventure and the philosophical discussions are just WAY too fun and exciting.
LOL
I understand the interest
and "possibly" the temptation but..
There's truth in everything and you probably know that because something appears as such a thing, doesn't make it such.
Its only an illusive appearance.
True again...
But...
If nobody ever thought outside the box we would still be, well....cavemen.
Ever look into the puzzle of wave particle duality?
There are no truth's because we don't even know who or what we are. What we call truths are nothing but theories based on what we think we know.
Fun eh?
Do you believe...
Do you believe in Quantum Mechanics?
It is based on the behavior of objects that don't appear to exist but somehow must exist. The Planet-X theory is not much defferent. There is gravitational influence that suggests that there is some other body in or near our solar system.
As a seeker of truth for the last fourty years it would be ludicrous for me to not at least question or wonder about the possibility of a brown dwarf. Our solar system is by far abnormal unless perhaps be were actually a binary system. The brown dwarf theory answers many puzzling questions.
Watch out for the
Boogeyplanet.
Nibiru
Zechariah Sitchin has devoted his life's work to translating ancient texts. The Sumerians had vast knowledge of the workings of our solar system and wrote extensively about Nibiru ("Planet X"). Check it out for yourself.
I agree
Sitchen's books are excellent. Also the Epic of Gilgamesh which I believe is an ancient Sumerian legend goes into great detail of the "creation" of our planet and does also describe Nibiru in some detail.
From memory I will try to relate what it says about how our earth was knocked into our current orbit around the sun.
About 4.5 Billion years ago there was a planet named Tiamut, the Watery Giant which was located between Mars and Jupiter, where the astroid belt is today. Well about 3.5 Billion years ago Nibiru came by on its timely revolution and one of it's seven moons smucked into Tiamut, knocking a big chunk out of it in the process. The smashed bits are now the astroid belt. Anyway, the smack was hard enough to send Tiamut closer toward the sun where it was captured by the suns gravitational influence and it settled into the orbit as the third planet from the sun - Earth!
Tiamut's moon was named Kingu (our moon today), as Kingu was "protecting" Tiamut it too took one hell of a shit kicking, hence the numerous craters we all can see today.
There are many astonomers today that believe that Earth was indeed between Mars and Jupiter and that something hit it damned hard and knocked it into our current position and also caused the astroid belt which is more than likely our wounded bits. The big chunk we are missing is where the Pacific Ocean is now.
That's it as far as I am going to get into it with this post. I am sure I could write a lot more on it but my glass of wine is empty...so there! :)
Is this what you are talking about Gnat? Seems somewhat similar
to the information in your post.
http://www.space.com/scie...
i am always down to hear evidence with an open mind...
but i would have to say i am EXTREMELY skeptical of this planet X thing. most astronomers agree that it does not exist, and the recent revival in research on it certainly does not validate its existence.
id say keep researching with an open mind but i find this very difficult to believe. you've got to set your bar a little higher than believing in something because you saw a youtube documentary on it.
bump...
because I know some folks have no clue about this....It may not be true, but what if it is? I would rather be prepared.
Man it's gonna suck when I set up my lawn chair to watch
it happen and I have to drink hot beer.
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Lol I just love this thread
"Here comes the sun.. Here comes the sun, and I say...
But It's midnight?!?...."
Nibiru
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Well, that would
be poetic justice if the elite take out 80 percent of the population planet X can revenge us. Alright! I won't have to come back and haunt those sob's. Peace Patriots
Here is an excellent Audio link
I am still listening to this, I think it must be about an hour long but so far it is really excellent: http://64.111.123.243/wvx...
The science and historical accounts make it seem more than plausible.
Which science is that
Which science is that exactly?