Ron Paul: You have six days to give us your answer!
Posted July 29th, 2008 by someguy
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I have been reading the polarized views on the DP for several months. Since we are fast approaching crunch time, I believe we must demand an endorsement. If we don’t get one by August 4th, it would clearly indicate that Ron Paul considers himself a viable candidate and is still in the race. So how do we pro-Constitutionalists demand an endorsement? Someone mentioned that for RP to endorse any candidate outside the Republican Party would cause much blowback and possibly jeopardize his seniority position on his various committees in the House. Let’s assume this is correct. Ron Paul has the option of endorsing indirectly, through other parties, e.g. staff members, family members, or pro-liberty websites. However, if Ron Paul gets word of this proposal and chooses to remain silent, we can take this indicator and continue to push for his nomination. Whether RP endorses indirectly or remains silent, we finally get the benefit of a Clear Path Forward. This is what the movement for President (the short term goal) has so desperately needed since RP ended his campaign.
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It's time to let this post die already...
Has to be among the dumbest posts I've read here
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This thread should be deleted
7 days, now 6 days. This sounds like a threat. Stop it ! Delete it !
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Ok, now this is just plain
Ok, now this is just plain rude! Stop acting like a whining kid already!!!
We have delegates still buying plane tickets
that should give you your answer. Support our delegates, support Ron Paul. When the convention is over, we will then have one choice to make, or two choices to make. I am hoping for one choice to make. Ron Paul all the way. Let's finish the job.
Ron Paul does not endorse candidates for anything ...
he endorses freedom and the shortest path to get us there. He knows that a presidential endorsement at this time or possibly at all, this election cycle, will slow the movement.
If Barr or Balwin started showing double digits in polling and start raising millions of dollars on their own, he will be faced with a tough decision. To endorse or not to endorse.
At this point, there is no decision to make.
Personally, I don't think he will endorse under any circumstances, this election cycle. Freedom has nothing to gain from a Ron Paul endorsement and potentially a lot to lose.
He is focused on the macro, the big picture, the long term.
He has left us responsible for the micro, the short term.
Set goals and achieve them.
Freedom is the message, not power.
WAHOR!!
I am trying to understand how an endorsement will
either slow the movement or create a big loss. Can you please explain? I believe a short term goal of getting a pro-constitution candidate in the debates and improve 3rd party showing in the national election will help get the freedom message in front of the American people. This goal will unite us. The endorsement is the catalyst.
Love (consciousness) is in everything.
Several thoughts to consider ...
1. A 3rd party candidate will not be elected in this cycle.
2. I am convinced to date (but am ready to be persuaded otherwise) that Chuck and Bob will pimp their newly found influence for profit over principle.
3. Chuck and Bob have not paid their dues and we all know what happens when an easy road is chosen.
4. Obama is the clear front runner for a Paul endorsement, but this would mean the end of the freedom movement.
5. There is only one path to freedom. That is why it is so hard.
6. I do not want to be united.
7. A catalyst to what? Power that we agree with? Then what happens in the next election cycle?
8. Paul is focused on the CFL not the presidential race.
9. If Obama wins, we will be stronger in four years.
10. Be patient, pray, and meditate. You can not change the world in one election cycle.
WAHOR!!
This poster wants answer by Aug 4th
because he thinks it will help the Bob Barr money bomb on August 5th!
RP "may" endorse after the convention ..until then we have alot of work to do!
www.dvds4delegates.com
nuff said
Nonsense!
Of course Ron Paul is still our candidate!
His campaign will not have run its course until after the Republican National Convention.
No other candidate comes close to Dr. Paul. He still has more momentum and a greater chance of becoming President than any third party candidate.
After the convention Dr. Paul has told us he'll endorse, so until then he's our man.
After the convention, no doubt most of us will decide on someone to get our protest vote, but don't think of any third party vote as anything more than a protest.
If Ron doesn't make it, then the Ron Paul Republicans will regroup and work at the precinct, county and state levels to redeem the Republican Party. In Texas at least, that means joining the Republican Liberty Caucus and recruiting members for a local chapter. The Texas RLC has justifiably called itself the Ron Paul Republicans for many years. If you are not a member join now.
I believe that he gave us
I believe that he gave us the answer at the R3volution March... Listen to the end of his speech ... http://www.youtube.com/wa... @ 6:10 to the end...
He stated that "revolutions occur not by 51% of the Population.... They occur by 3 or 4 or 5%....We have that number!! Carry on...."
I take this as to say that we are encouraged to continue with the Delegate process and win the Nomination through a Brokered Convention.....
I highly doubt that he will endorse anyone before the Convention and I feel it is unfair of us to insist that he does
It ain't over till it's over
I am sure I am not the only one hoping for a miracle at the convention. Given the DVD's for Delegates campaign I dare say that Dr. Paul is not going to end his suspended campaign and give up till the last dog is hung. I sure wouldn't want him too.
Ron Paul said he was ending his campaign not
suspending it. You are confusing RP with MR.
God will work with you but not for you - Walter Russell
I really, really, really
I really, really, really wish he would endorse someone myself, although demanding instead of asking is no way to get the point across.
The Ron Paul movement IS shrinking, diffusing its message and slowing down because the truth is that most people onboard this movement came here to see Ron Paul elected President, and that choice appears to have been lost back in March, when Dr. Paul made the decision to pragmatize his campaign toward emphasizing his congressional seat.
If Dr. Paul would endorse either Baldwin or Barr, it would end the squabbling between factions and might even help the momentum behind Campaign for Liberty.
Perhaps he'll make that choice in September.
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still not getting it eh?
Does anyone ever listen? "This campaign is not about me; it is about the message of freedom."
Translation: If you came here to see Ron Paul elected President...and that's all...then you are not really being that realistic AND you are ignoring what is important, i.e., what the campaign is actually about.
So we gave an honest try at a long shot presidential campaign; we still are in fact. Think of that as buying a Friday night lottery ticket in the sense, that we *just might* not win. We'll still have to go to work on Monday if that scratch-and-win ticket is a looser. So let's start thinking about the "going to work" part. I'll grant that we are generally lacking in direction, but continue to pay attention, think hard about what we can do to bring about real change, and move in that direction.
P.S. I by no means intend to belittle all the hard work of people who have worked on the presidential campaign with my lottery analogy---don't read too much into it. You have worked, and it will not be in vain if we can eventually check our nation's double time march to tyranny.
I am on the Daily Paul
For one reason only. It is to support Ron Paul. I will wait to hear his words at the convention. In the mean time I am sick to death of hearing about Barr and Baldwin. Give it a rest until the convention and then you can rename this site as needed or get your own.
Why August 4th?
RP has said over and over he "may" make an announcement after the convention! I think it is because Bob Barr is having a money bomb on the 5th!? It is well known RP said he wont endorse anyone until "maybe" after the convention. Just have to wait and see ...meanwhile we have alot of work to do..so lets focus on some of these projects!!
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Send your signs here to cover St Paul with Ron Paul! !
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CFL Membership Goal need 25,000 more by Sept 2nd!
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Why should he endorse
Why should he endorse anyone. Maybe you should go and find someone to back on your own. If your just sitting around waiting for Dr. Paul to endorse someone so you dont have to, then you have completely missed Dr. Paul's point. Dr. Paul is not this movements leader. He has said it over and over and over again. We all would like him to be our president. But he is not our leader. You are your own leader.
Start acting like it.
You know, its much like Dr. Paul announcing that he wont run third party.
Many people got upset. But he said many times that he wouldnt.
So, listen up. Stop looking at Dr. Paul as the end all be all authority on any issue. You are your own authority and if you cant see that then you dont belong in the movement yet.
This is an army of liberty-minded supporters. Our problem is
directional gridlock. If I knew the other candidates as well as RP, I would make it perfectly clear who I endorse and who I do not endorse and why. This is how to get the troops all in step, going in the same direction.
God will work with you but not for you - Walter Russell
Wow that was an incredibly
Wow that was an incredibly dumb statement.
"If I knew the other candidates as well as RP, I would make it perfectly clear who I endorse..."
Well instead of posting on here go find out what other candidates are all about. Or are you just expecting to be told what to do...?
Good lord you missed the point.
And take the, God will work with you, thing off your posts cause you missed the point so bad that you dont even understand your own posts.
EEESH
I agree that each of us has the responsibility and duty to do
our homework on the candidates. However, RP is in the unique position to have an insiders perspective, something you and I don't have. Therefore, I wish to compare notes with our mentor. He may or may not influence my final decision. That's all.
Love (consciousness) is in everything.
yay i was going to type
yay i was going to type something to this effect myself. wtf are people doing sitting around waiting for a nod from their proverbial leader for? is this the reality of human nature that we are so insecure with the power of our own minds that we cannot take decisive leadership for ourselves? or is this perhaps a tragic outcome of how we are raised in this society? How many times have us DP'ers laughed, criticized or even spat upon the notion of our fellow (brainwashed) republicans voting for our presumptive nominee on the whim of an endorsement from mitt romney or some state governor? this precisely outlines that most of us HAVE missed the point.
And I just heard Dr. Paul on
And I just heard Dr. Paul on Glenn Beck and he asked the endorsement question. Dr. Paul said he will not endorse McCain but that he also still doesnt know who he will vote for.
September
He said he would likely be making an announcement in September. By now, everyone should trust the man.
I think I want him to be President more than he wants to be one
I blame it on his being the middle son and not the eldest or youngest.
In some ways, we know better than he does, although how anyone could want the job for the next four years is beyond me...
IMissLiberty
I don't think
RP has to endorse anybody.
Why would he?
Can't the other candidates stand on their own feet and get their own supporters and voters?
And what does August 4th have to do with anything?
August 4th.....has value
My Birthday....#54. But seriously, I agree with another poster, I want him to be My President much worse than he does I think. Over the last year, I gave nearly half of my annual income to his campaign, and spent the other half on signs and buttons, DVDs and other campaign materials, helped the Granny Warriors, and other money bombs. Walked the streets and waved signs and flags on the freeway overpasses. Sleep became unimportant, (we can sleep after the convention!). Worse yet, I rejoined the GOP after 30 years! I don't want him to endorse anyone but himself. He is the lone Champion of the Constitution, all the rest are imposters.
Vali
'...truth is loved in such a way that those who love some other thing want it to be the truth, and precisely because they do not wish to be deceived, are unwilling to be convinced that they are deceived." --- St. Augustine, Confessions (10:23), 5th c.
Big T ! August 4 has meaning!
Psssst-----Bob Barr is having a money bomb Aug 5th.. thats why this post and negative RP comments!
The only one he should endorse is...
HIMSELF!
lets focus on exposing McSame!
did you know that McCain has a cancer?
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psh, I'm not going to demand
psh, I'm not going to demand anything from Ron Paul....
he can do what he wants, and so can we. We don't need people to make decisions for us, and we shouldn't be making demands to the man who has already done so much for us.
Besides, we still have the rally coming up... August 4th? Don't you think that'd be a bit soon?
Even if he were to endorse somebody, it probably wouldn't be until September/October.
it's not like it even matters.... even if we all through our support and effort behind a candidate it wouldn't really help them. The system is just too biased and I don't think we could win as the 3rd party in a 3 way race.... the vote would be too divided.
It sounds like you do not want to endorse any candidate for
President now because its an uphill battle and we might not succeed. Hey, how is this any different than day one? We all have obstacles in our paths but we always seek a solution. This is a learning curve. Much is to be gained by participating. If an endorsement is forthcoming, now not later is the time to announce it directly or indirectly. If he will not endorse any candidate, wouldn't you want to know why? I assume RP knows the other candidates better than we supporters. As a good leader he needs to clear he air on this unity issue.
God will work with you but not for you - Walter Russell
I'm not saying we can't or
I'm not saying we can't or shouldn't support other candidates, I'm saying we shouldn't demand that Ron Paul endorse someone and tell us what to do.
Dude
Got your ticket for St. Paul yet? If not, get one. If so, chill out. If you're having trouble with the chill out part, seek out Jah guide. IMO, it's threads like this that cause "fragmentation" within the movement.
NO, NO, NO!!! and here is why
Remember how we were headed for a brokered convention? We were ON OUR WAY. A few people did not "get it" and clamored for an explanation of why they weren't suing the media, challenging every election, etc - myself among them at first. Did anyone besides my fmaily notice what happened?
Dr. Paul let the words "brokered Convention" fall from his lips, and within days, the VERY VIABLE Mitt Romney suspended his campaign.
Trust me, If Dr. Paul ever gets close enough to shake my hand he will probably b!tch slap me; I complain and whine and demand things and issue ultimatums like a 2 year old (of course I presume most, if not all, is never noted by him!) Right now, I would LOVE to know "Is there a plan? WTF?" but I just have to deal with the hand I am dealt and have faith that if something is being kept "mum" it is best kept "mum."
But I "feel your pain." I would love to get close enough for him to whisper in my ear... I'd even take the b!tch slappin' - lol!
detached?
It's not hard to find support for the argument that RP undertook his campaign only as a way to spread the message for individual liberty etc but without serious determination to hold the office.
Once you understand how far removed our government is from the democratic principles of We The People, the impossibility of his presidency is pretty obvious.
Still, I'd like to see him continue pretending to fight in that direction because it motivates freedom fighters psychologically, if not practically.
Frankly, this sounds threatening
and I prefer to allow Dr. Paul his own brilliant mind and time frame to continue the Campaign for Liberty. This is a bottom up campaign, not a top down. It is much more important than a presidency at this point. Until we build the movement the election of anyone else but Dr. Paul, imo, will make no difference to the running of this country and that includes any of the 3rd party candidates. After what we have seen here in Nevada and some of the other "contested" states from the RNC in DC and glancing at what the DNC does...it would appear to be rather out of our hands at any rate. Stay focused on the message...Dr. Paul has endorsed us!
IT'S DOABLE
Look beyond
You need to look beyond this campaign. No matter WHO gets elected President, our fight will have just begun. Look BEYOND this campaign. That is what the CFL is about.
This Liberty movement has nearterm, midrange, and longterm
goals. This presidential election is of the nearterm and is a strong focus for many. What we do here, now, will provide valuable lessons to carry forward in future elections. This post is to get clarification from RP directly or indirectly in order to reunite us into a focused effort. Should there be an endorsement, the early bird is more likely to get the worm.
God will work with you but not for you - Walter Russell
Or else what?
Or else what?
We supporters continue to be fragmented. Is that what you
want? I think not. This is a safe, effective, easy solution. Do you have a better one? Staying the course without knowing is not a solution. It's the problem.
God will work with you but not for you - Walter Russell
Ive already chosen who i
Ive already chosen who i will support. Sure it would be nice if he would offer a little direction...Im sure he has his reasons for not doing so. We will see after the convention im sure...I know which third party I am going with should Ron not be an option.
ya lol
sounds like a threat ??
so what ?
he will do what he thinks is best...
And you will never question his judgment? You must be very
pleased at where this movement is at this point in time? I will continue to support Ron Paul but I will not blindly follow him nor anyone else.
God will work with you but not for you - Walter Russell
nah don't mean it like
nah don't mean it like that.. just sounded so hostile..
I know he has said he might do that after the convention...
so I take his word on that..
not that I mind that you wanna influence him....
Or it could be that he
Or it could be that he doesn't want to hurt Baldwin's feelings. ;-)
Ron Paul has the best interests of the country in mind.
Timing is everything, there are some things that cannot be said yet, without doing more harm than good.
Anyone that knows anything about Ron Paul, knows that he is an intelligent man.
Be patient and trust that he is continuing to make the right decisions, after a long consistent record, or feel free to support whomever you want.
Me, I'm staying with Ron Paul.
Timing is everything. I agree. When you picture Ron Paul
voting, who do you imagine he is selecting for President of the United States? The choices are: 1. Writes himself in. 2. Votes McCain. 3. Votes Obama. 4. Votes 3rd Party. 5. Leaves it blank. This future voting record needs to be made transparent now, either directly or indirectly through other sources. The intelligent leader will make his/her position clear their supporters to keep them united and not fragmented as is now the case.
God will work with you but not for you - Walter Russell
After Convention
If there is nobody else that Ron Paul feels he can completely support for President, considering his voting record, he may very well vote NO or leave his ballot blank. In which case, he would not endorse anyone either.
He doesn't play the normal politics game, he votes on the principles of The Constitution and does not compromise his values. As such, he probably feels people are best off deciding for themselves what candidate is worth voting for President, if any at all.
Either way, it's reasonable to wait until after the convention before making any endorsements.
Either way, it's reasonable to wait until after the convention
before making any endorsements.
I understand. All the awol supporters are also waiting until after the convention to tell voters who they endorse. Do you believe a RP direct or indirect endorsement will offer that candidate any benefit? If so, which endorsement is more beneficial: earliest or latest?
God will work with you but not for you - Walter Russell
I don't think we can demand anything from RP, but
I sure wish he would endorse someone or give us some direction before the movement dissolves. I think he should just have Rand Paul give an endorsement. That would be clear enough.
Free and Brave
or Cradle to Grave
You can't have both