Jesse needs to apologize to Christians before representing liberty...

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for sticking their nose in other people's business...and trying to legislate morals.

THAT stuggle has been going on longer than anyone's age, living today. While we all have our opinion &/or experience NO ONE knows in human explanation what is and is not. THEREFORE it behoves a smart, inteligent, wise, educated ,top of the line, EXPERT to; at least agree
that if you pretend to KNOW anything (above that which you cannot say for certain) it is best to confide in someone who you trust to make your
decision for you. OTHERWISE you become GOD. YOU know everything.
MUST I WORSHIP YOU ?
CONFIDENTLY YOURS, TLF

Unfortunately, people don't believe in themselves and must associate with other like minded people for self adoration, esteem, and importance -usually to exclude others for the same purposes and then create laws for those purposes. Peer pressure is amazing. Become a free thinker, reader, philosopher, etc... The church is nothing more than a money maker.

George Carlin put it best: God is omniscient, omnipresent, all knowing, infallible, but he needs one thing MONEY and more of it.. of all God's powers he lacks financial power (or something like that) - I guess God financed his war with Satan by putting the angels in debt who had to borrow from the international bankers who passed on to us who now have to donate it back. So really the bankers are the intermediaty between man and God. LOL what a scam.

up too, and less concerned about Jesse Ventura. After all it was mainstream Christianity (religion) that gave us George Bush not Jesse Ventura.

It is my opinion that mainstream religion will very likely have a big part in ushering in the greatest deceiving promoter of all times (Revelation's final false prophet) who will ultimately usher in the biblically forewarned final Anti Christ, who they will accept.

As a Christian, I’ve seen what these supposed great men of God are capable of. They wield power as though they are next to God himself. What scares me even more, when there found to be wrong, apologizing is never a part of their nature. They usually have two sets of rules one for the sheep (harsh) and another for themselves (sweep it under the rug).

So.. to put it in a nut shell.. Our fore fathers understood the power of religion, and wanted the Government to have NO PART in its promotion, and there for made it Unconstitutional to do so. It is one of the greatest Articles written into our Constitution.

hjschaapman

Jesse is entitled to his opinion even afforded by CHIST himself, man's (free will). GOD has no objection if a man wants to be ; I'll say , (un-wise). Though GOD would that all men came to the knowledge of truth, which is in CHRIST. Jesse is part of AMERICA & I can deal with the rest. AT least he was upfront with his views which is more than I can say for some. Jesse needs to see that GOD is not the author of confusion but is the AUTHOR of ;dare I say it :" FREEDOM ". Unlike most other religions. SO enough with the serman & remind yourself what LIBERTY entails. IT'S a two way street sometimes.
SINCERLY w/ respect
TLF

Truth hurts.

put it...thank you...Jesus is a personal relationship. The church did not write the scriptures and they are making numerous mistakes interpreting them. We are responsible for our own faith and daily living and the church is not going to tell me how to live. i have the scriptures and i will pay as an individual for my own sins and mistakes. I don't need a liberal church to tell me how i should live.

Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master... George Washington

Maybe you should stop "reading" Playboy. Have you considered that?

I love how this post back-fired on the poster.

:-p

...is it weak to be patient, kind, to have CHARITY (1 Corinthians chapter 13)?
...is it weak to turn the other cheek like Jesus Christ commanded of Christians?
...is it weak to have mercy?
...is it weak to gather together by command of the WORD of GOD to worship the LORD of all creation, who is the only way of salvation known to man?
...is it weak to forgive those who have taken advantage of you?
...is it weak to fight temptations of all kinds and not do what GOD calls evil?
...is it weak to stand up and say NO to evil, sin, and abominations, even when the culture says it is alright?
...is it weak to NOT pay evil back with evil (revenge)?
...is it weak to stand for the Truth, yet not in hatred or in malice, but with Love (charity).
...is it weak to love mine enemies just as much as i love those who love me?

...NO! IT TAKES A STRONG PERSON TO DO THESE THINGS! a strength that non-Christians cannot understand, nor would they want to...

...this is what Jesse needs to think about and apologize for his poor choice of words. if it wasn't for Christians doing these things that the LORD JESUS CHRIST commanded, the world would end up in chaos and anarchy.

John Adams:
"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." --October 11, 1798

Hey-

I don't fault him. There is a difference between spirituality and religion. 'Religion' is a man formed 'union,' - it doesn't represent God, it is ABOUT God.

People don't go to church to worship the church and their religion, they go there to worship God.

Given a lot of the activity by the 'religious groups' I can understand why someone would say that. Think about it- 'Religion' was used to get the 'Neo-Cons' IN! They ran on religion, and because people allowed their minds to be closed and not look at issues it caused them to be totally deceived.

I REALLY think Christians in this movement (such as myself) need to GET OVER THIS, and support the rally and coming together.

I can find THOUSANDS of things to divide and find beef with- so we don't need 'another' excuse for not being united and taking our country back.

Please take a moment to think about that...

THE NEO-CONS GOT ''IN'' USING RELIGION AS A PLATFORM- THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A SECOND. TO '''NOT''' TAKE A STEP BACK AND LOOK AT THAT IS UNFORGIVABLE- I think.

If he said that he gets my two thumbs up but why does it have to take centuries to realize that? The only religion that is not of a weak-minded is Judaism. That's why they got weak minded christians under control.
Hail Jesse Ventura!

is coming from. I am a Christian and if you know the bible you would know this seems to be the church of Laodicia. A lot of Christians are willing to take a pastors word even if it is wrong, without ever checking it out in the scriptures. Think of the liberal churches...not trying to be arguementative but he covers all religions and i agree that the shape it is in now is a sham. What about the 23,000 preachers the government has allegedly hired..? Again..I am a Christian...love the Lord Jesus Christ..have accepted his pardon which i don't deserve and am ashamed of some of the output of organized religion.

Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master... George Washington

you should be able to take a bit of negative opninions for YOUR bealife is stronger than that of the others who will not agree ... this can happen on both sides of the paradigm , havea shift , or open your mind , you will see we are all on the same road , just in different vehicles

Get over it! He is entitled to his opinion as you are yours. There is a huge evangelical movement that votes blindly for Bush and republicans, we know that for sure, also look at how the Mormons voted in Utah (lets not get into the arguement if they are christian or not here please)- 90% who voted republican voted for Mitt Romney. These are just a few examples. I think that this is the type of behavior that Jesse was talking about.

What I am hearing him criticize is organized religion, not individuals who practice a certain faith. Organized religion does create a lot of mindless robots who do not think for themselves but do only as their church or other religious leadership tell them to do. I think that is what he is referring to.
STOP and think for yourself. Your relationship with God is between you and Him and not based on what group you follow. See how easily people were duped by Hitler. Only those who did not follow their creed, like Deitrich Bonhoffer, stood against Hitler and for the right.

Think as an individual and not collectively in a group.

Healthnut4freedom

"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6

I thought this was about Jesse Jackson...LOL. Boy, did I have something to say about him!!!

It's refreshing to see someone who is libertarian minded speak the truth about christianity.

Is speaking your mind considered liberty, or is speaking your mind only classified as liberty as long as it doesn't offend someone?

need to have Jesse Ventura apologize for his comment's on religious organization's as being a crutch, that is his opinion and he is entitled to
any opinion he wants to make.

First Amendment right's must never ever be silenced, Venturas beliefs are between him and God and no one else.

What does it mean to be a Christian? That you believe Jesus exsisted? That you believe he was resurected? That you "except him as your savoir"(whatever that means)? That the bible is "the word of God"? That you do not believe in Creationism?

My duped but intelligent uncle once told me that since he "excepted Jesus as his savior" he was going to heaven and those of us that hadn't were not. I was completely flabergasted as I am when all other so-called Christians talk about their Christianity as if they are somehow morally superior than the rest of us.

Yes, there was probably some guy named Jesus running around 2000 years ago who was probably an extraordinary spiritual teacher as were Confucius, Lao-tzu, Budha, and others. There are also some pretty amazing people now with a grip on reality. My favorite is Eckart Tolle. I often wonder if Dr. Paul and EckartTolle read one another. I find it alot more helpful reading modern books on spirituality than translations of ancient stories.

is a form of control, intentional or not. Religion is very different than spirituality. When asked if I am religious I answer no. Do I believe, yes. I am spiritual not religious.
Why should Jesse Ventura apologize for being honest? We want honesty in our leaders dont we?

In a political climate that favors posturing, Jesse says what he thinks. I don't agree with everything anyone says but find honesty refreshing. Like Ron Paul, his overriding political agenda is freedom. He is not suggesting regulating religions or imposing religious laws. Religious people should appreciate politicians who will let them practice religion and raise their kids as they please.

I would rather have someone like Jesse who is honest about his beliefs. Ron Paul is honest about his beliefs. Both are honest about how the Constitution needs to be re-implanted and followed in our government.

It cracks me up that RP supporters or 9/11 truthers get upset when they are labled as the "Fringe". But when an Athiest is labeled as "Fringe" by the religous or Christians it's OK.

I just moved to Utah and I am very impressed about the quality of life, the values and moral ethics among my community. The church promotes this, people follow it, etc.

But the people give no credit to themselves for acting this way, it's a gift from or service to god. It's not impossible to act and live moral without religious beliefs, just rare, not "Fringe".

I have witnessed more hipocracy in religous people, then Athiest. I often witness that church is only on Sunday's, yet they worship someone that supposeably gave at all times.

reliogion is very differnt from christianity.

The issue is not liberty. It's about a politician looking for the support of voters. Ventura's statement in Playboy was dumb for the following reasons:

* It's obviously not true (are 90 % of Americans weak-minded?)
* It displays a lot of arrogance
* It's politically stupid to divide your constituents up into the two groups, the religious (who are "weak minded") and the non-religious (who are strong minded).
* It labels Ron Paul himself "weak-minded" because he's a Christian and a member of a Christian denomination.

Jesse Ventura is a free man in a free country and can speak his mind on religion. But the statement that started the debate is true: if he wants the support of libertarian leaning Christians (like myself) he should have the humility to admit that his words in Playboy nine years ago were poorly chosen. Why should I support a man who has more or less called me stupid because I'm a Christian believer? And his words don't just apply to Christians. He has insulted anyone who is not satisified with the materialistic view of the universe and has allowed himself to be organized into a religious body which believes in some kind of higher power.

then he should feel free to speak his mind and not pander to any group. The great thing about liberty is that we can all believe whatever we want and still live and work together because no one is forcing their beliefs on others.

Free and Brave
or Cradle to Grave
You can't have both

why do these religion threads keep going longer than any other thread on here ? If you have religion have it! If you don't you don't ! I don't have any but that's my reality .

... what Jesse says?

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Isn't this America? ...I think they call that freedom of speech... thank goodness someone still believes in it.

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