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Why all police officers criminals, yes even the "good" cops

From article 'Don’t Call the Cops. Ever.' by Dan Spielberg

"There is something else that is rarely mentioned, even by opponents of police brutality, which is that even "good cops" are thugs because they exist to enforce all the tyrannical laws and edicts our rulers see fit to impose on us"

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yeah, lump a group of people together and disparage them.

thanks for supporting and representing ron paul.

E Pluribus Unum...

.....Out of many, one.

Did you read the thread post?

It contains a very specific argument why all cops are thugs. If you can refute it please do.

It's simple really... LOOK

When they read you your Miranda rights, they say...
"What you say CAN AND WILL be used against you"
It does NOT say that what you say can HELP or ASSIST you in any way!
Pretty one-sided if you ask me.
NEVER talk to the police, even if they're "good"!
I have police friends and I respect the guys that try and do their job, BUT ALWAYS take the 5th and talk to an attorney!

"Whether you think you can or think you cannot, you're absolutely right!"

Hahahahh

Still drawing Anarchy symbols on your collective backpacks I see. Oh this is hilarious. I love the fact that Ron Paul as united the most unique collection of individuals this world has seen.

Everyone has good

in them and evil in them. Trying to label a group as all bad or all good is not helpful. Don't understand the need too. How about a thread or how to reach out to cops in a positive way so they don't look at us as a bunch of malcontents. The police are bombarded with propaganda and OUR behavior will only reinforce the propaganda or change their view of us in a positive light. Peace Patriot

Yes, everyone has good and bad in them...

However, "peace" officers have to continuously commit crimes if they want to do there job properly.

Therefore, when they put on the uniform, they are for the most part quite, quite bad.

Take any

profession from the banker to the baker and even a peace officer it is not the profession but how the profession has been defined by those in power. EMPLOYERS who pressure workers to do wrong or evil things. The misuse of power is everywhere police are only one example. EMPLOYEES who choose to misuse power against strict guidelines for their own self gratification was not the profession but the individual. Pressure is everywhere these days to do wrong. This is why Dr. Paul is so unique. How many of us have the courage to say no to that pressure? Peace

Police are not just "one more example" of misuse of power...

"Peace" officers have a fundamentally different "profession" than a baker for example.

Does a baker's job does intrinsically require him to violate people's rights? No.

Not true.

I knew a cop that wouldn't arrest people for drugs. There are some of them that use independent judgement. But, do we really want all cops using their own independent judgement on what is a geniune crime and what isn't?

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Trolling in the defense of liberty is no vice.

Reasonable Suspicion vs. Probable Cause

The Supreme Court ruled in Terry vs. Ohio that an officer could use his experience on the job to decide for himself whether or not there is reasonable suspicion to stop and question a citizen. It's been called the "Terry Stop". So if if a cop in your community arrests you or questions you then everyday after that he has a right to stop you for any reason he chooses... This is tyranny. Plain and simple.

I read this case and it's absurd. The Supreme Court was wrong in that this ruling completely dismisses the 4th Amendment.

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The American Revolution 2.0 will not be televised... It will be downloaded!!!

Good for them, but how far does he/she take it?

You said the this person won't arrest people. But will they steal (ie. "confiscate") a person's "illegal" drugs?

Re: independent judgment. I answer yes and no. In the current statist police system, yes, it would be nice if more exercised the thinking muscle just like your acquintance.

In the ideal system, no. I would want protection agents to follow natural law.

Natural law?

Not everyone agrees on what is a natural law and what isn't, and whether even natural law exists. So you're going to have a bunch of police officers going around justifying to themselves everything they do on their notion that it is a "natural law."

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Trolling in the defense of liberty is no vice.

Natural law

True, that not everyone agrees on it/with it.

I'm not too brushed up on how law would work in a free-market. You raise some good objections, I'll have to think more about them. I'm gonna read this piece by David D. Friedman...

Your Right of Defense Against Unlawful Arrest

There are precedents that acknowledge our right of self-defense against tyranny. Spread the word....

Your Right of Defense Against Unlawful Arrest

“Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529. The Court stated: “Where the officer is killed in the course of the disorder which naturally accompanies an attempted arrest that is resisted, the law looks with very different eyes upon the transaction, when the officer had the right to make the arrest, from what it does if the officer had no right. What may be murder in the first case might be nothing more than manslaughter in the other, or the facts might show that no offense had been committed.”

“An arrest made with a defective warrant, or one issued without affidavit, or one that fails to allege a crime is within jurisdiction, and one who is being arrested, may resist arrest and break away. lf the arresting officer is killed by one who is so resisting, the killing will be no more than an involuntary manslaughter.” Housh v. People, 75 111. 491; reaffirmed and quoted in State v. Leach, 7 Conn. 452; State v. Gleason, 32 Kan. 245; Ballard v. State, 43 Ohio 349; State v Rousseau, 241 P. 2d 447; State v. Spaulding, 34 Minn. 3621.

“When a person, being without fault, is in a place where he has a right to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel by force, and if, in the reasonable exercise of his right of self defense, his assailant is killed, he is justified.” Runyan v. State, 57 Ind. 80; Miller v. State, 74 Ind. 1.

“These principles apply as well to an officer attempting to make an arrest, who abuses his authority and transcends the bounds thereof by the use of unnecessary force and violence, as they do to a private individual who unlawfully uses such force and violence.” Jones v. State, 26 Tex. App. I; Beaverts v. State, 4 Tex. App. 1 75; Skidmore v. State, 43 Tex. 93, 903.

“An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and battery.” (State v. Robinson, 145 ME. 77, 72 ATL. 260).

“Each person has the right to resist an unlawful arrest. In such a case, the person attempting the arrest stands in the position of a wrongdoer and may be resisted by the use of force, as in self- defense.” (State v. Mobley, 240 N.C. 476, 83 S.E. 2d 100).

“One may come to the aid of another being unlawfully arrested, just as he may where one is being assaulted, molested, raped or kidnapped. Thus it is not an offense to liberate one from the unlawful custody of an officer, even though he may have submitted to such custody, without resistance.” (Adams v. State, 121 Ga. 16, 48 S.E. 910).

“Story affirmed the right of self-defense by persons held illegally. In his own writings, he had admitted that ‘a situation could arise in which the checks-and-balances principle ceased to work and the various branches of government concurred in a gross usurpation.’ There would be no usual remedy by changing the law or passing an amendment to the Constitution, should the oppressed party be a minority. Story concluded, ‘If there be any remedy at all ... it is a remedy never provided for by human institutions.’ That was the ‘ultimate right of all human beings in extreme cases to resist oppression, and to apply force against ruinous injustice.’” (From Mutiny on the Amistad by Howard Jones, Oxford University Press, 1987, an account of the reading of the decision in the case by Justice Joseph Story of the Supreme Court.

As for grounds for arrest: “The carrying of arms in a quiet, peaceable, and orderly manner, concealed on or about the person, is not a breach of the peace. Nor does such an act of itself, lead to a breach of the peace.” (Wharton’s Criminal and Civil Procedure, 12th Ed., Vol.2: Judy v. Lashley, 5 W. Va. 628, 41 S.E. 197)

The American Revolution 2.0 will not be televised... It will be downloaded!!!

There is no such thing

As a good cop. They can espouse liberty all day long, but at the end of the day, they STILL enforce the draconian laws placed upon us by our opressors. Whether intentional or not. Most cops are corrupt to the core. Even when killing innocent people, they are often found not guilty. If fact of blatent evidence against them. This is by design. You dont feel safe when one follows behind you ? Do you question the need to call them in an emergency? They dont make you feel safe like they are supposed to, instead they install fear. They lay in wait to entrap you. They make it impossible to be free. They are the enemy of every freedom loving person. If you want freedom, you must destroy the first flanks of the gaurds.

Chicago Police are the new city tax collectors.

All parking tickets ask for payment to be payable to the Department of Revenue. The elaborate system is setup to fleece drivers through overzealous parking codes and enforcement. Now if drivers have only two tickets, they are eligible for the "boot". The mayor Richard Daley, a mayor whose father held the same position for decades, fancies himself King more than mayor.
He still aims to deprive Chicago citizens of their 2nd amendment rights by defying the Supreme Court's ruling that gun bans are unconstitutional. Even with the current gun ban, this city is not safe and gun violence is rising once again. However, the populace is told that their right to bear arms might endanger first responders. Call 911 they say. Call and pray.
City sales tax was recently raised to 10.25%. Corruption in city hall is the worst in the country, or so were told by the FBI (their largest contingent is in Chi-town). I think Chicago is well along in it's plans to create imposed serfdom on the populace.

Read "Boss"

It's a great read about corrupt Chicago politics.

Uhh

Well pacified, no?

The so called "good" cops are...

actually co-conspirators if they have knowledge of criminal activity.

Well, they definitely have knowlege cause they're committing

crimes all day long.

"Modern policemen not only commit crimes by enforcing laws against voluntary exchanges, they aggravate the conditions that lead citizens to commit real crimes. The war on those who use "drugs" is the prime example of this." - Roy Halliday

Anyone else agree on the myth of the "good cop"?

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