WAR - Georgia Attacks South Ossetia, Russia Invades Georgia
Posted August 8th, 2008 by ironman77
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This is an interesting development. Georgia is a Staunch US ally, and was trying to get into Nato. They have invested alot in Weapons over the past years. Russia on the other hand does not want a U.S. Ally on its outher border, where it can control the energy supply routes to europe.
This could have a significant impact, it is already effecting markets, with the Dollar rising against the Euro, and the Ruble falling.
I have some Ideas why this is happening now, but what's the DPers take.
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Question: If we pulll out support for UN, NATO, World Court, etc...how are War crimes going to be prosecuted?
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An American mercenary has been captured by Russian forces along with a number of Georgian soldiers according to a report from the Russian news website Izvestia, providing more evidence that the U.S. and NATO are covertly supporting the Georgian army in a proxy war with Russia.
According to the report, the mercenary is an African-American who is a NATO instructor and an ordinance specialist. He has now been transferred to the Russian base of Vladikavkaz.
The story also backs up previous reports of dead black Americans having been found in Tskhinvali, the capital city of South Ossetia.
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Real Reason for war???
Massive US Naval Armada Heads For Iran
Operation Brimstone ended only one week ago. This was the joint US/UK/French naval war games in the Atlantic Ocean preparing for a naval blockade of Iran and the likely resulting war in the Persian Gulf area. The massive war games included a US Navy supercarrier battle group, an US Navy expeditionary carrier battle group, a Royal Navy carrier battle group, a French nuclear hunter-killer submarine plus a large number of US Navy cruisers, destroyers and frigates playing the "enemy force".
The lead American ship in these war games, the USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN71) and its Carrier Strike Group Two (CCSG-2) are now headed towards Iran along with the USS Ronald Reagon (CVN76) and its Carrier Strike Group Seven (CCSG-7) coming from Japan.
They are joining two existing USN battle groups in the Gulf area: the USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN72) with its Carrier Strike Group Nine (CCSG-9); and the USS Peleliu (LHA-5) with its expeditionary strike group.
Likely also under way towards the Persian Gulf is the USS Iwo Jima (LHD-7) and its expeditionary strike group, the UK Royal Navy HMS Ark Royal (R07) carrier battle group, assorted French naval assets including the nuclear hunter-killer submarine Amethyste and French Naval Rafale fighter jets on-board the USS Theodore Roosevelt. These ships took part in the just completed Operation Brimstone.
The build up of naval forces in the Gulf will be one of the largest multi-national naval armadas since the First and Second Gulf Wars. The intent is to create a US/EU naval blockade (which is an Act of War under international law) around Iran (with supporting air and land elements) to prevent the shipment of benzene and certain other refined oil products headed to Iranian ports. Iran has limited domestic oil refining capacity and imports 40% of its benzene. Cutting off benzene and other key products would cripple the Iranian economy. The neo-cons are counting on such a blockade launching a war with Iran.
The large and very advanced nature of the US Naval warships is not only directed at Iran. There is a great fear that Russia and China may oppose the naval and air/land blockade of Iran. If Russian and perhaps Chinese naval warships escort commercial tankers to Iran in violation of the blockade it could be the most dangerous at-sea confrontation since the Cuban Missile Crisis. The US and allied Navies, by front loading a Naval blockade force with very powerful guided missile warships and strike carriers is attempting to have a force so powerful that Russia and China will not be tempted to mess with. This is a most serious game of military brinkmanship with major nuclear armed powers that have profound objections to the neo-con grand strategy and to western control of all of the Middle East's oil supply.
The Russian Navy this spring sent a major battle fleet into the Mediterranean headed by the modern aircraft carrier the Admiral Kuznetsov and the flagship of its Black Sea Fleet, the Guided Missile Heavy Cruiser Moskva. This powerful fleet has at least 11 surface ships and unknown numbers of subs and can use the Russian naval facility at Syria's Tartous port for resupply. The Admiral Kuznetsov carries approximately 47 warplanes and 10 helicopters. The warplanes are mostly the powerful Su-33, a naval version (with mid-air refueling capability) of the Su-27 family. While the Su-33 is a very powerful warplane it lacks the power of the stealth USAF F-22. However, the Russians insist that they have developed a plasma based system that allows them to stealth any aircraft and a recent incident where Russian fighters were able to appear unannounced over a US Navy carrier battle group tends to confirm their claims. The Su-33 can be armed with the 3M82 Moskit sea-skimming missile (NATO code name SS-N-22 Sunburn) and the even more powerful P-800 Oniks (also named Yakhonts; NATO code name SS-N-26 Onyx). Both missiles are designed to kill US Navy supercarriers by getting past the cruiser/destroyer screen and the USN point-defense Phalanx system by using high supersonic speeds and violent end maneuvers. Russian subs currently use the underwater rocket VA-111 Shkval (Squall), which is fired from standard 533mm torpedo tubes and reaches a speed of 360kph (230mph) underwater. There is no effective countermeasures to this system and no western counterpart.
A strategic diversion has been created for Russia. The Republic of Georgia, with US backing, is actively preparing for war on South Ossetia. The South Ossetia capital has been shelled and a large Georgian tank force has been heading towards the border. Russia has stated that it will not sit by and allow the Georgians to attack South Ossetia. The Russians are great chess players and this game may not turn out so well for the neo-cons. UPDATE 8 August 2008 ~ War has broken out between Georgia and South Ossetia. At least 10 Russian troops have been killed and 30 wounded and 2 Russian fighter jets downed. American Marines, a thousand of them, have recently been in Georgia training the Georgian military forces. Several European nations stopped Bush and others from allowing Georgia into NATO. Russia is moving a large military force with armor towards the area. This could get bad, and remember it is just a strategic diversion....but one that could have horrific effects.
Kuwait has activated its "Emergency War Plan" as it and other Gulf nations prepare for the likelihood of a major regional war in the Middle East involving weapons of mass destruction.
The two-ton elephant in the living room of the neo-con strategy is the advanced biowar (ABW) that Iran, and to a lessor extent Syria, has. This places the motherlands of the major neo-con nations (America, France, the United Kingdom), as well as Israel, in grave danger. When the Soviet Union fell the Iranians hired as many out-of-work former Soviet advanced biowar experts as possible. In the last 15 or so years they have helped to develop a truly world class ABW program utilizing recombination DNA genetic engineering technology to create a large number of man made killer viruses. This form of weapon system does not require high tech military delivery systems. The viruses are sub-microscopic and once seeded in a population use the population itself as vectors. Seeding can be done without notice in shopping malls, churches, and other public places. The only real defense to an advanced global strategic biowar attack is to lock down the population as rapidly as possible and let those infected die off.
Unless the public gets it act together and forces the neo-cons to stop the march to yet another war in the Middle East we are apt to see a truly horrific nightmare unfold in OUR COUNTRIES.
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Anybody play ghost recon?
Here's the game synopsis (from 2002):
Eastern Europe, 2008
The world teeters on the brink of war. Radical ultranationalists have seized power in Moscow - their goal, the reestablishment of the old Soviet empire. Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan - one by onne the nearby independent republics slip back into the Russian orbit. Russian tanks sit in the Caucasus Mountains and the Baltic forests, poised to strike to the south and east. The world hold ots breath, and waits.
For one small group of elite soldiers, the war has already begun: U.S. Special Forces Group 5, First Battalion, D Company. Deployed on peacekeping duty to the Republic of Georgia in the Caucasus, this handful of Green Berets represents the very tip of the spear - the first line of defense. Equipped with the latest battlefield technology, and trained in the latest techniques of covert warfare, they strike - swiftly, silently, and invisibly.
Here's the followup game synopsis:
In the wake of the upheaval in Russia, a series of small brushfire wars erupt around the world. One of the deadliest is a resumption of hostilities between Ethiopia and Eritrea, which is spurred by a coup in Addis Ababa. Armed with Russian weaponry, the Ethiopian military, led by a man named Colonel Tesfaye Wolde, makes a successful grab for the Eritrean coastline. The Ethiopian offensive sends the Eritrean forces into hurried retreat. Shipping on the Red Sea is disrupted, and relief efforts in the interior come crashing to a halt. At the request of the Eritrean government, and in order to advert a humanitarian crisis, an international coalition is built in response.The Ghosts are the spearhead of this force. Their job is to lead the way for the multinational force and help push the invading troops back to their own border.
Look at the other games and see the possible future of wars in the U.S.
Putin assails US over conflict with Georgia
JM
Putin said Monday that the U.S. move will hamper efforts to solve Russia's conflict with Georgia over the breakaway province of South Ossetia. The U.S. military has begun flying 2,000 Georgian troops home from Iraq after Georgia recalled them.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/a...
I'm still not sure how this incursion started. Although I think all the world should be able to live without government oppression of it's people, I also think if two governments make agreements not to fire on the other, then the agreements should be honored. If Georgia did indeed start this mess, which is debatable, then Russia could be on the moral high ground.
I personally think Russia was just waiting for an opening to take back what was once Russia's possessions, not to mention the oil pipeline. You would think the US and Israeli advisors would have known better than to provoke Russia into this. Most likely Russia has had more to do with stirring up this mess than is being told. Prapaganda and misinformation is the rule of the day.
Right now people are
Right now people are speculating on the "true reasons" of Russias decision to intervene.
There stance is they were/are protecting the people of S.Ossetia from Georgia aggression.
The U.S. is condemning the "invasion" by Russia,and stating that there are interest in that area.So the aggression of Georgia on Ossetia didn't kill enough people to be condemned?
S.Ossetia declared independence in the 90's,but is not recognized by the United Nations.
Abkhazia is also fighting Georgian military in there region and they also declared there independence from Georgia in 92.Although from what i see Abkhazia is split in it's independence and a Russia backed government.
So if Ossetia wants independence they have to fight it on there own?
While Georgia is backed by the United States and other western powers.
"We got to back our president? Since when do we have to back our president,or should we,when the president is proposing an unconstitutional act." Sen. Wayne Morse
Moral highground
quote moral highground
So its ethical to invade another country because it is preventing citizens ("imported Russians during Sovjet era") to do a landgrab?
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Such an argument would make the First gulf war (repelling the invasion of Kuwait) morally right.
Whats good for the goose....
"No visas for people from terrorist nations"
-- Ron Paul, presidential TV add on immigration.
Quote: -Georgia killed of
Quote:
-Georgia killed of its own citizenry women,children, and men who liked the Russian life a little to much...
-Russia not liking this attack on people loyal to the Russian way of living could not stand by and watch a slaughter.
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PS:Yeah good thing the US went into Iraq stopping Saddam nerve-gassing its own citizens (The Kurds)
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It all makes sence now.
Jacob you foreigner
Another one that cant type English very well. Look You and Marrakesh need to get a room together and make butter nut slap stick.
So according to your elimination's and forethought it is not the Georgians retaliation's crescendos that has caused an obligatory reprisal. It is a Russian offset of political pressure brought on by the collective conglomerative powers to imprecate their former Empire?
If that is not the case then prove it to yourself why I am wrong?
Or is that small mind of yours burdened by an incomprehensible tie to what appears to be to much for you?
Remember a brusque argument is never forward to one so indomitable as me.
Georgia killed its own citizens?
OK Georgia killed citizens in S. Ossetia. Is That better little guy.
Whats good for the goose...
Georgia is indescriminatly killing citizens of S. Ossetia? Or is this a ligitamate military campaign to restore Georgian sovereignty.
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Quote:-Russia not liking this attack on people loyal to the Russian way of living could not stand by and watch a slaughter.
--Why is this a valid argument
My Quote:the US went into Iraq stopping Saddam nerve-gassing its own citizens (The Kurds)
Why is this not a valid argument
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From YOUR point of view this would mean that, freedom and independance is only for white people, like Ossetians, and not for Kurds?
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Interesting!
"No visas for people from terrorist nations"
-- Ron Paul, presidential TV add on immigration.
Russian Lifestyle?
Sorry for typos,English is not my native Language
Russian lifestyle? So they get killed for eating cheese from goatsmilk instead of cow? Riiight. Making up dumb arguments as we go along i guess. Saying that the Georgian military is targeting civilians is bordering on mental retardation. Russia is supporting this puppet regime because of Oil interest and not wanting a pro-Nato allie close to its borders. Really hilareous to see the typical Paultard knee-jurk raction of "it-beez-us-WASP-fault".
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What happened? The dems not liberal enough for you?
"No visas for people from terrorist nations"
-- Ron Paul, presidential TV add on immigration.
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Karl Schwarz is johnny on the spot with his latest updates on why things are going down the way they are in Georgia, see www.rense.com for info
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sorry wrong post
you can watch russia today
online... since the western media rather talk about edwards sexual preferences and haircut.
Where at
I am SICK and TIRED of this Edwards bull crap! There is a war going on and all they care about is his stupid ass hair and an affair that happened over 2 FREAKING years AGO!!!!!!!! I CANT take it anymore. No more TV. I hate TV.
tvunetworks
once there click news and scroll down almost at bottom russia today...
might be other places as well.
Paultardation?
Russia --aka the former Sovjet Union-- as s SUPERSTATE didnt like all those "former Sovjet republics" asserting their former freedoms and independance.
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Sounds familiar? a Big goverment destabilizing its satellite states? Russia has been supporting the Russian minority -- imported from during communist era -- destabelising the Georgian goverment. Does "Atzlan" ring a bell? Oh wait? Its only true of it happens to the United States, right? Sure...
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Poor Russia, offcourse...its all a CIA black op.
"No visas for people from terrorist nations"
-- Ron Paul, presidential TV add on immigration.
Your post is filled with so
Your post is filled with so many errors that I can't even make out one point you're trying to make. Before calling us retards, why don't you take a look at your post?
Are you calling us Retards?
-Georgia killed of its own citizenry women,children, and men who liked the Russian life a little to much.
-Russia not liking this attack on people loyal to the Russian way of living could not stand by and watch a slaughter.
-Well lets see my army is bigger than your army so time to teach you a lesson for messing with people who don't believe in your way of loyalty.
-Time to oust the CIA and the US from the country side to protect those who like being a Russian to much. Those who did not buy onto the US led government.
American citizen in Georgia reports
He is reporting Georgia first attacked its own citizens then Russia responded.
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
OMG
Just watched this report Liberty, and I am sitting here, crying, for the people over there, for the innocent men,women and children , crying out of frustration, anger towards Bush's government and towards all those Americans who are too gutless to stand up and prefer to go for McCain or Obama....Those spineless people are not looking any further than their own backyard but with that attitude are holding the rest of the world hostage to this monstrous beast called Bush.
What has to happen before Bush will be recognized worldwide for what he really is, by everyone!!!!!!
Sorry, just had to vent.
Yes hannah2-I am very sorrowful
many photos showing dead and injured civilians...I could not post..it is all manipulated I fear exactly as planned except Russia is responding and using as excuse now to push further into this region! I am sick of this suffering for power and oil. I think is similar to our reason for "backing" Kosovo also.. we prop up for their oil and minerals, using bringing democracy as impetus and public rally... but will take them over later in name of "terrorism"! 2,000 dead mostly civilians ( pawns on chess board) many injured and displaced. We watch olympics and wait for MSM spin.
Reporters Without Borders
Worldwide Press Freedom Index Ranking
http://en.wikipedia.org/w...
UK - 24th
USA- 48th
Swiss- 11th
Where you get the news is distorted somewhat,leaning one way or another.I feel the swiss media is neutral for the most part.
http://www.swissinfo.org/...
The Key is the Town of Gori
Russia is clearly taking beack South Ossetia, and Abkhasia, whether they want all of Georgia is not clear, but the key will be the town of Gori that connects east and west Georgia.
http://www.mailonsunday.c...
Also, Ukraine is supporting georgia and is not going to allow Russian Ships into port at Sevastapol. Look for NATO to re-enforce Ukraine, and perhaps grant it early admission to NATO.
There is alot more to come, but it is interesting how aggresive Russia has become (perhaps it feels desperate.
As far as we know
the aggresion has been started by the Georgian government.
Dr. Paul cured my apathy
The Georgians
Were trying to reign in a rebel province. The Russians attacked Georgia for attacking rebels in one of Georgia's own provinces. Georgia may have been going about it the wrong way but Russia was the one attacking a sovereign nation that had done nothing to them.
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Sounds familiar...
Replace "Georgia" with "Britain" and replace "Russia" with "France". 1776 anyone?
perhaps true, but not important
Only Russia can stop it, So it depends on what Russia wants, and how much they are willing to push back.
How about some non A.J. P.O.V. tainted news.
Front page London Times:
http://www.timesonline.co...
WAHOR!!
http://www.dailypaul.com/...
Where did you find this propaganda
In Christ,
Dave
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Shelled city is living hell
Thousands of South Ossetians are trapped in the ruins of a city almost destroyed by Georgian missiles. The remaining residents of Tskhinvali are huddled in cellars beneath bombed-out buildings. They are struggling to survive - without water, food or electricity.
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
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Background Briefing on Conflict
From Moscow's alternative, English-language newspaper:
http://exile.ru/articles/...
Check this article out!!
http://www.freestate.tv/2...
Really shows how the seeds were planted a while back by our criminal CIA operatives.
Unintended consequences to say the least - Dr. Paul is such a visionary!!
Check this article out!!
http://www.freestate.tv/2...
Really shows how the seeds were planted a while back by our criminal CIA operatives.
Unintended consequences to say the least - Dr. Paul is such a visionary!!
NOW...Georgia is calling for a truce
http://www.alertnet.org/t...
In Christ,
Dave
www.lionandlambministry.c...
www.lionandlambtv.com
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Can anyone say: entangling
Can anyone say: entangling alliances?
research
has informed me that pipelines out of the Caspin Sea in Southern Georgia are at stake. The US needs access to the resources (some report the reserves there are larger than Iraq) plus control of any pipelines running routes through US friendly countries to the black sea. Russia, on the other wants the same thing and it all depends on little port cities. The Heritage Foundation has a very good report about all of this posted on the internet, including bringing Georgia to our form of government. Of course they didn't know that once that was done, Georgia would get a little trigger happy and start this whole deal when the US military is nearly broke, the country going bankrupt and void of any real allies large enough to take on Russia, China and Iran all at one time.
ONCE AGAIN, IT'S ABOUT THE OIL
You got it Kaffy4x4
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/...
Looks like Georgia has requested 2,000 of our soldiers from Iraq
be sent to fight for the OIL..
I also read where the IMP and World Bank gave Georgia past loans.
And, Russia will not allow the moneychangers into their country.
So our new foreign policy will defocus on Iraq and refocus on
controlling Russia, Iran, and China by causing CHAOS within
their countries and with countries along their borders.
I'M HOT AS HELL AND WHAT CAN I DO,,,,NOTHING
I JUST BET THAT LONE CHINESE KILLING THE AMERICANS WAS
A PLANNED DEAL WITH OUR GOVERNMENT
I'm so sad and sick of all of this.
Check out what this Russian has to say
about the conflict.
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
More media censorship.
Good video. "I tremble for
Good video.
"I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever." - Thomas Jefferson
First word: Oil
Second word: Draft
Initial reports said that the U.S. backed side,
started the war, but now the MSM is just saying that Russia is invading.
WTF!
FLASHBACK - Georgia in US-financed arms race for war
article written in Nov 2007
Georgia is preparing for a US-financed war against Abkhazia and South Ossetia. That is what the country's military build-up reveals, according to a leading journalist and political analyst from Geneva. Since the current regime took power, Georgian military spending has effectively increased by over forty times and now has the highest growth-rate of any country in the world.
http://www.tiraspoltimes....
These things do not happen overnight. This battle today has been planning since last year.
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if the US or Israel attacks Iran...
it will be the end of America as we know it... and...
the end of Israel as we know it...
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http://tinyurl.com/58ccfz
http://tinyurl.com/69sapo
the same system will make Georgia
and other aggressors impotent...
Why Iran Won't Budge on Nukes
http://tinyurl.com/5goe74
We will see.
WAHOR!!
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WAR reports here
If you can't find it in the USA news check it out here.
http://www.chinadaily.cn/...
a few more stories....
I think anything involving
I think anything involving war a few weeks from the US presidential elections is quite possibly the result of subtlety and sophistry behind the scenes.
SUPPORT OUR FOUNDERS' AMERICA
Support the Constitution of the United States
This is just to keep the Russians busy. We are going to hit Iran
We are sending the ships NOW. Also we just finished up a practice session in the north atlantic, and those are the ships being deployed. The Brits and the French are helping.
I believe you are correct.
It will be interesting/scary to see if Iran really does have super torpedoes.