The bloody loin from meat video
Submitted by racertim23 on Mon, 08/11/2008 - 15:09
Any chance the moderator can change the picture to something less graphic. The video worked for me, but the chunk of meat that looks like a bloody arm is...............?
Here is the email I sent to my friends and family after watching the video-
Subject- Farm to Fridge
Body-
Below is a very disturbing video about how inhumane we have become towards our treatment of animals for food. Now I am the first to admit that I love a good steak wrapped in bacon, or big glass of milk with some cookies. But after watching this video, I feel we can and should do better in how we as a society resource our food supply.
The video is narrated by Alec Baldwin and at the end he promotes Vegetarianism. That wont happen any time soon for most of us, but we should also be aware that our current Western World diet has diminished our vegetable intake, and that in many other places around the world where vegetable and fruit intake are higher, cancer is lower.
The proof is all over the Internet, search it if you like. If you were to graph the rise of cancer next to the decline of fruits and vegetables and/or chemically treated drinking water the proof is undeniable.
So what do we do? How do we make it better? To each their own on this. I think awareness always self corrects any wrong doings. For me, today I am calling some local butchers and asking how can I buy meat guaranteed to be raised and slaughtered more ethically.
I know my Sister and Brother in-law purchased a hand raised Kobe steer and had it butchered. This animal was raised on a farm, given antibiotics if only needed, roamed free in a clean non diseased environment. They paid a premium price for the steer, paid to have it butchered and in the end the price for the meat with out mass transportation, advertising and regimental antibiotics was very price competitive to the supermarkets. It was just a larger investment up front.
Maybe the best way to start is to share a steer or pig and farm raised chickens are easy to buy if just go to the smaller markets. I know from the bottom of my heart, the friends and family on this email list are better then the minimal standards today's society deems acceptable.
The thing I took away most from this video, is the workers. I know this is just a job, and someone does have to do it, but what kind of character will this person share with our society. What are their standards for life, what will they teach their children to be acceptable?
Our general way of life has systemic repercussions on what we do to our world, our society, our children and their children. I write these letters in hopes we all don't just go about living our life for us, and that our responsibilities are to our children's children are realized.
Have a nice day, please watch the video. It is disturbing, but only once you watch it completely (8min), will you know what inspired me to write this email.
Tim
watch video here-http://www.chooseveg.com/animal-cruelty.asp
yeah
it's OH SO FRIGHTENING.
get a grip yo.
what........and so we should just not LOOK?
what........you think it's fine that we don't teach UNCLE TOM'S CABIN in classrooms anymore?........it's too fucking hard to listen to or read?
ah......horse shit.
grow up. get over it. we all do it anyway - pick your own time.
haven't eaten meat in years
I made a decision a long time ago I wasn't prepared to eat anything I wasn't prepared to kill myself. Which is why I eat fish and am prepared to eat certain politicians.
I hate...
...the freakin' Baldwins!!!!! Seems to me the whole family PROMISED to leave America if Bush won the last 'election'....GET THE HELL OUT, you Hollywood assholes!!!
I prefer my steak medium-rare.
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THE BLOODY LOIN!!!!!
THE BLOODY LOIN!!!!!
WOW!
I never immagined this post to get so controversal.
1) I asked for maybe a different photo (Michael answered that)
2) I said it moved me enough to my friends and family. (I never said here is my post, accept it for fact)
3) In my email to F&F I said to each their own and what I intended to do. (I ordered free range Beef knowing I did my part on the humane side, and supported my local farmer)
4) I said for me Vegitarianism isn't coming anytime soon and that I am the first to eat a bacon wrapped steak. (The vegitarians spoke up and were very respectful and offered their own experiences and benefits, thanks)
5) I never said I just can't take the ill treatment anymore, I said I know we are better than this and what type of people does this produce for a better society. (Responses of just suck it up this is just the way it is just blows me away. Are we not on this forum to make our world a better place? Change is required everywhere to be a better society. Eating meat is just fine by me, but respect and thanks to the animal should be part of the system.
The big chains not only buy
The big chains not only buy meat from the CAFOs (confined animal feeding operations) that raise animals in small cages, use steroids and anti-biotics for rapid growth, they also buy hamburger butchered and ground in S. America under Lord knows what conditions and sent to the U.S. in huge frozen blocks. My cats would not touch hamburger from one of these chain grocers, they found it quite offensive and tried to bury it. Since then, I buy my meat from a local ranch with a nice butcher shop. I can see the pastures where the animal grew up and clean shop where the meat is cut. We bought our own chickens and the eggs are SO much better.
Being an animal lover, I did try to talk my carniverous self into vegetarianism, and while I love veggies, I really need that meat. Besides, if people en masse gave up eating beef, whole breeds of cattle would become extinct. There would be no reason to keep them.
Pat
BOHICA!!
Agreed, in a way..
I gotta go with the consensus that the treatment is completely barbaric, and I do think some investigating into less cruel methods is in order. On the other hand, I also understand that in order to crank out enough product quickly enough to satisfy the needs of a very greedy and impatient mass of people, they cut corners to save time. It's fucked up, but it is what it is.
As far as the graphic image is concerned- all I can say is get used to it. I grew up on farms, and I have hunted,fished and butchered my own game all my life, albeit in a much more painless and humane way. I figure if I'm gonna kill the animal and eat it to survive, it deserves a little respect as a token of thanks. I still hate dressing out a critter for the freezer; it stinks, it's sticky and messy, and it's a pain in the ass. But that's the extent of the relationship; nothing personal to the animal.
There's no 'clean' way to dress out and butcher an animal. Sad fact of life, bud. You're gonna get grubby, it smells, and it looks a bit nasty. You gotta look past the dirty business and keep in mind that what you're doing is going to feed your family.
There may come a time soon where it's 'sink or swim,' and you might be put in a position where you'll have to hunt and butcher game to provide for your family. Sorry man- just have to ruck up and do what you gotta do.
The inhuman treatment of animals
needs to be stopped. However, refraining from eating meat would not accomplish that feat...
The egg laying chickens were also mistreated so eating eggs (and anything which uses eggs) would have to be eliminated.. The dairy cows were also objects of abuse so one would also have to eliminate all dairy from your diet as well. Unless you personally oversee how all animals are treated prior to your purchasing ANY animal product.
Simply refraining from eating "meat" will not solve the problem...it needs to be addressed the same as every other area of animal cruelty. I find it rather ironic that the "vegetarians" put out this film...not to encourage people to speak out against inhumane treatment of animals...but to stop eating meat. It has as much spin as one from the msm. Hogwash
it is very disturbing to
it is very disturbing to watch this stuff but it is the price we pay for civilization. if you don't like it then go out and hunt and fish for yourself. but for god's sake don't be a vegetarian. these videos are vegetarian propaganda and nothing more. If you want to be active about animal cruelty then do so but sacrificing your health in the process will give you less time to be active. What I'm saying is that humans are not herbivores. We're not even true omnivore's. We are true hunting carnivores. fact: the only diets that exist in nature for vertebrates are raw vegetation, raw animal flesh, or some combination of the two. fact: humans don't digest fiber. the appendix is a vestigial organ used in other primates to digest vegetation but ours is not functional or not existant in some cases because we evolved into carnivores. also your wisdom teeth are vestigial grinding teeth that we are evolving away. many people are born with 1, 2 or even all 4 missing. To be an omnivore you have to be able to survive on either of the two food groups alone and if you try to wean a human baby off of milk to nothing but raw vegetables this baby will die within weeks. The food pyramid, like the illuminati pyramid, is a symbol of deception with the most powerful lie coming from the top. animal fat is good for you and they put it in the capstone with sugars which really are the cause of obesity, diabetes, heart dissease, and every disease related to immune dysfunction. .im about to write a book here im gonna stop the preaching. you people must be smart if you made it to this site so go research yourself and always mind the publisher when researching controvery such as this. start with taubes, mackarness, owsley stanley, staffansson. If you don't care for this topic then i will leave you with this. pay attention to what your body chooses to store for fuel and what your body is made of: animal flesh and animal fat.
to: Kenken From;SSgT Unconstitutional, eating what I want
You are upside down dumb ass. Eating a hamburger is outlawed just because a select majority want to save a cow that is somehow constitutional? A loud majority shouting to save the chickens will crush the rights of a minority who eats the fluffy chickens is somehow constitutional? More government telling me that I can't eat certain foods for the majority? That is constitutional? Me being arrested for smuggling cheeseburgers thats gonna really go over well with the founding fathers.
How the hell do you figure that you support my eating habits. Did your tax payer money (Which if you had seen "Freedom to Fascism" would know goes to pay the Federal reserves) buy me a hamburger? Did it get me a bucket of curly fries? Hmmmm? Think before you type vegan. Just think thats all I ask.
Easy, Sergeant! No one
Easy, Sergeant! No one suggested the feds taking over the meat business. In fact, the problem with the meat business IS federal interference. The USDA is doing everything in its power to destroy small farmers (via the National Animal Identification Plan) and other measures. Farmers, cattlemen AND consumers would be better off if the government totally butted out of farming and ranching. At that point, YOU THE BUYER would dictate how meat is raised and butchered. You would regulate the industry with your dollars and where you choose to spend them. Did you know that the USDA has redefined grassfed to include CAFO cattle that are raised in small pens, pumped full of steriods and anti-biotics and never see the light of day?
The problem here is that there is already TOO MUCH REGULATION, too many lies and way too much deception. Given a chance, the market will tell the producers what they want.
Pat
BOHICA!!
Well thought out about meat
Well thought out about meat eating. It reflects my ideals for sure.
http://westonaprice.org/healthissues/ethicsmeat.html
THE BLOODY LOIN!!!!! i LOVE
THE BLOODY LOIN!!!!! i LOVE that ad hahaha!!!
How much
does a add like that cost on DP anyway?
i think the best
thing you can do to stop this is buy from a local farmer, i go halfsies with someone on a full cow every year. first you save alot of money and always have enough meat year round. also dont go to fast food resteraunts at all and go out to eat very rarely because these are the buyers who sponser this savagery. this kind of farming is a slap in the face of the god who created these animals. absolutely no respect for life at all. i eat meat 3 days a week, the rest is veggie, not only because its better for your health, but also because i feel we as a country consume way too much meat and this is why we have these farms. dont buy your meat at walmart or any other major chain. ask the butcher in your local supermarket where the meat comes from. if its from a local farmer and they didnt send it to some factory, ok.
if thats not the case, then walk away and look elsewhere. who knows what disease these corperate farming scumbags allow to get through to the major chains. buy sausages and hot dogs only from a local meat locker, not oscar mayer or any big food supplier. that way if you get sick you know who to sue. believe me, most lockers try very hard to give you the best product to avoid a law suit. chains dont give a shit because they have the money to pay you if they get sued if you can manage to get passed their high priced lawyers. bottom line just dont buy from the sources that buy from these types of farming techniques.
the bloody
the bloody looooooooooooooooooooooooooin!
Earthlings
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=earthlings&hl=en&emb=0#
EARTHLINGS is a feature length documentary about humanity's absolute dependence on animals (for pets, food, clothing, entertainment, and scientific research) but also illustrates our complete disrespect for these so-called "non-human providers." The film is narrated by Academy Award nominee Joaquin Phoenix (GLADIATOR) and features music by the critically acclaimed platinum artist Moby. With an in-depth study into pet stores, puppy mills and animals shelters, as well as factory farms, the leather and fur trades, sports and entertainment industries, and finally the medical and scientific profession, EARTHLINGS uses hidden cameras and never before seen footage to chronicle the day-to-day practices of some of the largest industries in the world, all of which rely entirely on animals for profit. Powerful, informative and thought-provoking, EARTHLINGS is by far the most comprehensive documentary ever produced on the correlation between nature, animals, and human economic interests. There are many worthy animal rights films available, but this one transcends the setting. EARTHLINGS cries to be seen. Highly recommended!
You sir, are correct when you said....
"EARTHLINGS is by far the most comprehensive documentary ever produced on the correlation between nature, animals, and human economic interests."
Local
If the economy goes down the gurgler, as I think it will, one of the things likely to go with it is the heavily fuel-dependent and contractually complex system of factory farming and interstate shipment of food.
I decided it would be a good idea to get to know some local farmers and develop a relationship in the hopes that it will last through the hard times to come.
The best way to do this, without getting in your car and driving endlessly through the countryside, seems to be joining Community Supported Agriculture (CSA). Not only do you get regular access to locally grown organic vegetables and fruit, but often there will be locally produced cheese and meat as well.
It also cuts the banks out of the food-producing business. With industrial agriculture, farmers borrow from banks and use the loan to plant. When the crop comes in, they pay back the loan. If it is a bad crop, the farmer stays in debt. This is one of the things - along with government programs of various kinds - that is killing agriculture. With CSA, the members front the money to the farmer to pay for seed, fuel, etc. Then when the crop comes in, the members share the crop. If it is a bad crop, members share the loss. If it is a good crop, the members share the abundance. No banks. No interest. Direct contract with local farms. CSA inspects the farms and knows the farmer and his methods.
Check it out.
Peace
I don't know if this matters
I don't know if this matters for any of you, but I lost 14lbs since I started eating much less meat. I didn't change any other eating habits or anything... As a matter of fact I move much less then I used because I work from home now and I STILL was able to shed 14 lbs!
I think the antibiotics and growth hormones in meat mess the body up in all sorts of ways....
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Organic for us.
My wife and I decided that eating organic is priceless. Its funny...I eat MORE meat(organic) and I lost weight too. But have cut out so much unnecessary crap like soda, most processed foods.
We went organic.
We went organic for this very reason. I don't want any antibiotics or hormones in our food. I remember my microbiology teacher 25 years complaining about the antibiotics being fed to the animals. She said that we are going to pay for it when we end up with bacteria we can't kill. I think we are there.
Here is an onion article about antibiotics in food.
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/27883
I agree
organic veggies beans barley and quality beer instead of meat!
cheers!
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I just watched this video, this is one of the sickest
things I've ever seen. I feel physically ill right now. I don't understand how anyone with the slightest shred of decency could do this to animals. I try to get all meat I eat free range and/or organic, but I know this is no guarantee. I can't go all vegetarian...I'm going to try to buy all meat, eggs and milk (raw) locally on small family farms with humane practices.
It's we who hire them to do
It's we who hire them to do the job. By eating meat we are responsible for this.
I don't really blame the people at slaughterhouses and what not. It's our fault for supporting them and vegans/vegetarians fault for not educating people who are ignorant of what goes on.
Wow
"vegan/vegetarians fault for not educating?" The people I talk to don't want to hear it! We all make choices, and we are responsible for ourselves ultimately. Nobody tells me to get out of the lightning in a storm, but I still do it.
Bob W., Naples, FL
I'm not saying I will tell
I'm not saying I will tell you you can't eat meat. I believe people should make informed decisions though. People should at least be informed about the decisions they are making whether it be who they vote for, what they eat, what kind of clothes they buy, etc. Once they are informed they can decide what to do from there.
But
If I eat a piece of meat I wont get electrocuted.
Is Alec Baldwin the narrator of the video?
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Yeah...that screenshot
It makes me hungry. Looks like a beef tenderloin.
I'm sure if I watched the movie...I wouldn't be hungry...that that looks tasty.
I tried veganism for a few hours (needed some ice cream) and tried vegetarianism for 2 days...they were the most depressing days of my life. Red meat is one of those things that I'm ok with giving a few years back to enjoy what time I do have.
Eat a rare Filet Mignon at Ruth's Chris and tell me that's worth giving up for a few years spent in a nursing home.
jz
Sounds like a lot of people here wouldn't mind if you ate ten steaks a day of the poisonous variety.
Bob W., Naples, FL
Jerk
I can't stand you. Every post you write is asinine. What is wrong with you? Go away.
Two words
Lighten up
where vegetable and fruit
A recent, huge study of 50,000 people showed that a high-fiber, low-fat diet actually resulted in a very slight increase of instances of cancer. What this means is that it is a scientifically proven fact that meat is not a cause of cancer. There was also no correlation with heart disease, and the high-fiber group, after eight(?) years weighed only one pound less on average.
Please stop spreading such fallacies.
FYI, likely causes of higher rates of cancer, heart disease, and obesity in developed nations are diets extremely high in sugar and hydrogenated oils.
DEAD WRONG!
The largest study (and I mean the largest by a very large margin) to date is documented and written in a book (it's pretty big and completely filled with scientific data) called the China Study. It DOES correlate diets that contain animal products with diseases and cancer and vise versa. So go ahead and have a read. It's the end all - be all when someone tells me something similar to what you just said when they find out I'm a vegan.
And for all you Vegetarians/Vegans, if you have not read the China Study I highly recommend it. When someone asks me I eat the way I eat, one of the things that I reference is this book among other things. Not surprisingly, 14 of the many people that read the book are now either Vegan or Vegetarian. Very effective means of opening ones eyes when it comes to animal products in our diet.
Reference please
Whenever you are going to quote a study, you better provide a reference. Otherwise you hold no credibility.
For your information, a diet high in fiber generally means a diet high in fruits, vegetables, legumes and whole grains. All of these foods are very high in nutrients that are very important for health that you will not find anywhere else. The average American eats so much meat and refined foods that they do not make any room for these foods. It isn't that they eat meat but they eat it and all of the refined junk that comes along with it, and do not eat the important foods from the plant kingdom.
Healthnut4freedom
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Healthnut4freedom
"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6
What study are you referring
What study are you referring to? There have been numerous studies that show that as countries increase their intake of meat and dairy cancer, stroke, heart disease, etc. all also increase.
Meat doesn't cause obesity? That's just insane. Do you honestly think that is true?
Yum - Bloody loin meat!
Meat is murder, tasty - tasty murder.
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Maybe this is why we have
Maybe this is why we have all these e. coli breakouts and beef recalls? I don't know...
I'm by no means a vegetarian but I try not to eat that much meat... I just don't think it's healthy... I also don't like the idea of killing a thinking life just so I can eat its flesh...
Bottom line: If you're going to eat meat, you should at least allow the animal to live a normal life without pain and suffering. Factory farms are incredibly disgusting...
Glad to see an article like this on dailypaul
The ad is also awesome.
I haven't eaten meat for the last 3 years or so and haven't eaten dairy or animal byproducts for the last year. I'm as healthy as ever.
Also, another thing the article could have talked about is how good a vegetarian diet is for the global poor and the planet. We force farm animals to breed. Then we feed them our food. We feed 80-95% of our corn and grain to livestock. 5 or 6 pounds of corn only produces one pound of beef. In countries where there are people starving to death they will export their corn, grain, etc. that they grow in order to feed animals rather than feeding themselves.
As for the planet, a plant based diet uses far less land than a meat based diet.
If you think vegans are skinny , malnourished nutjobs go here. It's a bunch of pictures of huge vegans. http://veganbodybuilding.com/?page=galleries
It depends on the person.
It depends on the person. My father has been a modified vegetarian for 25 years (he eats fish). My mother stopped eating meat after she married him. For years, she felt low energy, tired, etc.
Then she read Eat Right 4 Your Type about different diets for the different blood types. Her blood type is O - which the book says should eat meat, while my dad's is A - which the book says shouldn't.
Now we've added meat into our diet (probably not more than once or twice a week at most) and she has more energy. My dad is still a vegetarian (funny thing: my dad donated a kidney to my brother, and my brother suddenly didn't like eating meat as much!). The meat we eat is home-raised on pasture with very little grain. And we are using land that would be difficult to grow grain on.
If, instead of the commerical meat industry, meat was pasture-raised on small family farms, it would impact the environment much less and produce a healthier meat. The commerical meat industry feeds their animals steriods and stuffs them with soy and corn (both high protein) to make them grow too fast for their bodies.
fish
The fish of old was good for us, but now most have a lot of mercury. And farm raised fish is supposed to be much less healthy as well. Wild salmon is one of the best for us, but believe it also has mercury. Yep, they've destroyed just about everything.
Bob W., Naples, FL
I have O positive blood and
I have O positive blood and I'm fine. If anything I've noticed that I have more energy since going vegan.
BTW
I can't change the picture. They bought the ad space.
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I did
watch the video and was disturbed but not enough to not eat a filet mignon. I guess I could start with getting rid of veal. Michael probably needs the dough to keep this site up and running. I do see that picture as a filet though
Understood
For the support of the Daily Paul, I will bare with it. Thanks Michael
Well
Every time I see it I get hungry so my obesity will be blamed on this site.
No I wont sue. Just end up growing into my body.
You mean that hardbody pic you posted was a lie?
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Meat is just another ingredient.
If I've got some on hand, I'll throw it in to a dish. If not, no skin off my teeth. I grew up in a house where dinner was meat (mainly beef) or it wasn't dinner. Now I can take it or leave it. If I go out of my way to buy beef, I buy the best cuts of free range beef but only a "deck of cards" sized portion per person. I just want a taste, not half a cow. I haven't had a hamburger in a long time -- they're just not that good in Australia unless you like beets, pineapple, and egg on your's.
If you want a good meal, try kangaroo steak with teriyaki sauce. Yum.
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