This isn't a Pleasure Cruise People. Largest Naval Deployment since 1991 heading towards Persian Gulf.
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Tuesday, August 12, 2008
The largest naval deployment since 1991 is unfolding as no less than three U.S. warships make their way towards the Persian Gulf in what observers are calling an “unprecedented” build-up, while Kuwait has activated its highest war alert in anticipation of a potential attack on Iran.
Wasn't this being discussed not a week ago on the Daily Paul?
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We could debate all day long
Which source is accurate, which is not, will it happen, will it not. The bottom line is that seems to be the plan from a faction that is hell bent on trying to make it happen. From someone in the inside that we know well as spoken on the AJ radio and an article written based on that conversation: Aug. 9-2008 "Rep. Ron Paul: The US is heading into an Illigal Attack on Iran" by Harold H. Burbank 11 "Rep. Ron Paul (R-Tex) has warned millions of radio listeners that the United States is heading into a illegal attack on Iran, stating his amazement at members of Congress who have openly voiced support for a criminal nuclear strike. If we do attack it is going to be a disaster the Congressman told the Alex Jones radio show. The frightening thing is they are taking no options off the table, even nuclear first strike" Paul said. Paul believes from talking with his contacts in and around Congress that a strike has already been green lighted." www.globalresearch.ca
We can only hope the insane plans are brought to a halt.
I always find it amazing how
I always find it amazing how some who claim to be Ron Paul supporters on this site will not listen To RON PAUL.. wether its economics or foreign policy! the man sits in the KNOW. on the banking committee, and listens and hears what is going on with foreign policy!
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
Sierra.
You're right about this. I also agree with Neoconned to an extent. I would say at this point I would like a better source.. Then again I don't trust the MSM so that whole better source argument looses validity quick.
You make a good point about Ron Paul.
I guess my point is this..
I guess my point is this.. some folks on here hate to see fear mongering..
It doesn't bother me.. I have done the best with what I have to protect my family.. that is the only thing I can control.. what is happeneing is this.. there are some who live paycheck to paycheck and feel they can't prepare for a bad time to come.. so they get frustrated and lash out!
then comes this.. well I believe its this way and thats the way it is! they won't look at the info with an open mind... and I agree there are some things that are just way beyond beliefe!
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
It's for real
You have to go outside of American MSM to find out the truth. You also have to quit bickering like babies about Alex Jones .
If you would take the time to Google things like naval blockade Iran you would find out that the navy just finished Operation Brimstone "wargames" of our eastern seaboard and that armada was not dispersed but was heading for the Persian gulf . You also learn that France , who has their carrier in dry dock ,has 20 Rafeal Fighter jets on the Teddy Roosevelt . The TR is underway along with Abraham Lincoln along with an Amphibious Assault Group. Most of you who know the navy's capabilities know that is a lot of firepower.
Back in Washington House Joint Resolution 362 , The unconstitutional bill allowing the blockade is up to 256 co-sponsors. In the Senate it's matching bill is at 51 co-sponsors, a majority for passing in both houses. So congress is giving Bush the greenlight for a war with Iran, Deal with it cause it's going to happen and there is nothing we can do to stop it.
Now grow up and pray that this does not turn into Word War 3.
Below is just one of the sites that you can verify this . There are many more . You just have to get of your ass and look.
http://europebusines.blog...
Actually you need 60 members
Actually you need 60 members in the senate as any member can start a filibuster and block the vote.
I do not know. But if it IS
I do not know. But if it IS happening, it is time we put a stop to Presidents being allowed to just "deploy" all these troops without some sort of approval from The People. I am tired of the Commander in Chief power being abused.
Where is a verifiable source
Where is a legitimate, verifiable source for this information??? THIS is why I don't listen to that wingnut Alex Jones. It's just a bunch of fear mongering.
Hey buddy,
Alex Jones predicted a 911 type attack, before 911 happened.
Its a verifiable fact.
And did you hear about it on the evening news? NO! you didn't!
Wake up, the MSM is the mouthpiece of the Neocon warmongers.
are you saying that this isn't happening ?
you must be a fool ! It's common knowledge . stop watching TV you won't get any news on TV. At least nothing useful , you may find out what britney spears had for breakfast but people dying doesn't rate in the "new" journalistic world.
No, I think he's saying
No, I think he's saying there are some standards for reliable information and sourcing. As such, news reports from "Sorcha Faal" are not good enough. And there are some serious doubts as to this story as well, when 95% of the Internet stories have the exact same headline, down to the letter. Sounds like a lot of cross-contamination to me. Sort of a circular blog sourcing. Blog A sources Blog B who sources Blog C who sources Blog A...
You can kiss my @ss right on the hole buddy.
You can kiss my @ss right on the hole buddy. I dont even have cable at my place. I get all my news online, however, I have standards as to what I will accept as a legitimate source. Debka does not fall into that category and neither does Alex Jones.
so the news you let yourself
so the news you let yourself be persuaded by comes from only sources you think are good and back up your opinions!??
uhhhh no.....they come from
uhhhh no.....they come from sources i think are bad and are counter to what I think..........sierra....you are beginning to get on my nerves bro. think before you type.
ohh geez heaven forbid i
ohh geez heaven forbid i make you think! there is a balance in there somewhere.. but when you have 3 or more sources sigting the same thing then it needs to be investigated further.. everything ties in... economics, foreign policy etc.. those 2 issues support one another..
there is much more under the surface.. dig a little deeper! as far as getting on your nerves?? pffffffft!
he always have a source, unlike the neocon media.
http://www.debka.com/head...
Hummm..
http://en.wikipedia.org/w...
80% of what they say turns out to be true and they predicted 9/11.
Something isn't right. They are Jerusalem Israeli based source. Are they letting out info like they seem to do as warning shot before an event?
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I love the part where in the wiki file it says
"Israeli intelligence officials do not consider even 10 percent of the site's content to be reliable." Yet they got Forbes' Best of The Web award..?
Well I believe that 100% of the US official story on 9/11 is total fantasy so I am gonna continue to watch this story.
DID I MENTION I SAW WITH MY OWN EYES THAT ISRAEL IS TO BE CONSIDERED A SOVEREIGN PART OF THE UNITED STATES IN REGARDS TO MILITARY ACTION AND ADOPTED AS A KENTUCKY GOP RESOLUTION That was real enough for me.
I wouldn't be as proud to
I wouldn't be as proud to tout this wiki article as proof of the validity of Debka. It's a site run out of someone's basement which Forbes states "the best part of the website as being its archives, but decries the fact that "most of the information is attributed to unidentified sources." Debka has been criticized as a fringe outfit catering to conspiracy theorists.
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EXACTLY.
Where is the SOURCE for this information pertaining to the armada of US warships???? There ISN'T one. Don't call me names and say im some loon because I want a VERIFIABLE source to this information.
I'm not going to sully my reputation by shooting this link off to people in my sphere of influence only to find out later that it isn't true and was just made up by some israeli guy in his basement. That makes me look like a douche........which is exactly what everyone here looks like that is trying to convince me that Im duped by Fox News and have O'Reilly's cock firmly planted in my @ss.
I don't even HAVE tv at home.....but that doesn't mean I accept every single thing coming out of Alex Jones big mouth as gospel. There ARE ppl that don't fall into either category of faux news sheeple or alex jones wingnuts.
Where have I ever called you a name in this thread?
Unless you're Sandra and forgot that you're posting under Neoconned?
I was talking about sentinel
I was talking about sentinel up top calling me a fool.....this is ANOTHER thing that is annoying as hell. I have been steadily posting here for almost nine months now.....many times in unison with you on some issues....then you turn around and stab me in the back and question my integrity and imply I am some troll named Sandra.
It's THAT sort of stuff which is a big put off to many of the people here. It's so conspiratorial in nature and perfectly fits into the theme of what I've been saying. I do understand we have had an issue with trolls for quite some time who change their nicks often but from here on out....remember Neoconned....not a troll.....just one of the guys that thinks Alex Jones is a fruit loop and a fear monger. On the other hand, I don't believe the official 9/11 story.....I don't watch Fox News (or tv at all for that matter)....I agree with Ron Paul on pretty much every stance I've read from him....I just want legitimate, verifiable sources for stuff and I don't consider Alex Jones to be legitimate because of his fear mongering/hype'ish type nature.
CHILL OUT.
I recognized your name. And yes. I was making my point. No you are not Sandra. Calm down a bit.. I am not 100% sure about this right now myself. If I had told you before 9/11 that it was going to happen you'd have laughed your head off. Well even now with scientific validity using physics 9/11 is still considered taboo. So get your shit in line Neo-Conned, not everything anyone says is 100% valid... But I am listening a hell of a lot more to what Alex Jones says than I am to many other sources.
Don't be like some of the shadow people here that are trying to make us infight. They see us doing this and guess what they pat each other on the back as a job well done.
Now if you don't mind I'll continue to see what sources are what on this subject instead of call those searching for info "wingnuts"
Yes we have had many of the same views.
Here's a source...
http://www.jpost.com/serv...
Your use of pejorative language ("wingnuts") does nothing but impugn your own credibility.
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Do you think they'll be able to handle Irans' navy?
ooops! Forgot! Iran doesn't have a navy. Unless you think three frigates and two corvettes along with a TOTAL complement of 13,000 is going to really screw up three US Navy carrier groups. The three 50 year old destroyers of the Iranian Navy are parked.....either they forgot how to start them up or they don't make parts for them anymore.
Hold on now we need to protect ourselves from these madmen!
How about the air force Their principal attack helicopter is a Bell Supercobra...wait? Didn't we manufacture those? Son of a gun.
They have two squadrons of F-4E's...McDonnell Douglass built fighters...that's an Arab company ain't it? No? We made them too?
Hold on now I know I can find a threat here.....they have a squadron or two of F-14 Tomcats....dang it! US made all the way.
So how long those squadrons of 1960's and 1970's jets going to last when 6th fleet decides to put the hammer down..huh? Like 5 minutes? Less?
Can we drop the Iran war scenario now? Venezuela has a better shot at effing us up than Iran...freaking Cheney is sick. Killing for the sake of killing.
You gonna have along talk with God when you go home, Dick Cheney.
reptilians dont talk to god...their master is the farthest thing
from any god there ie or ever was...(a God of Love that is)
do some research on the
do some research on the Russian weapons they have... then you might think a little differently!
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
The whisper that grew wings and grew into Mothra
Yep Bullshat. I smelled it a mile away. Anything to get people fluffed up and feathers on edge.
I hope you are right.
We'll see in a week or so if the two carrier groups they are supposedly replacing leave. Seems like an awful lot of ships considering that the UK and French are sending some as well don't you think sarge.
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Once I can Analyze
The sources then I will pass judgment.
Good point.
I agree.
FACT:
Half the crew of the Theodore Roosevelt is on leave, for about two weeks, at present.
The other half will take leave in September , when the first half returns.
The Rosie isn't going to the Gulf or anywhere else until the end of September. Period.
What about
USS Regan and USS Iwo Jima groups.. What is their status.. It would be nice to know..
no idea
But when a supposed "news" story gets major pertinent facts completely wrong, it would be prudent to consider its other assertions suspect, at the very least...
So am I still a troll?
Others agree as well and you went off on me pretty bad!
Yes
and Yes
This is a strike group.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w...
we have two their now, add two more.
See how much fire power you have. Like I said this ain't a yacht party.
Great forum
This is a GREAT READ from Jim Sinclair today (The US needs, Iraq, Iran and Georgia)
Posted On: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 4:01:00 PM EST
What You Need to Know
Author: Jim Sinclair
Dear Friends,
The following missive encapsulates everything you need to know. Please pass this along wherever there is interest.
There are indeed a lot of things happening in the world - and some have terrible consequences. The politicos are scheming intensely.
I played a business game in university involving three teams running three companies who were all competing to make the most profits. The economic situation today mimics that game and its eventual outcome. If one team made a mistake, invariably the other two teams turned against it with blood in their eyes. We expected the other team to turn on the weaker player and planned accordingly.
In my humble opinion the following factors are particularly relevant to today's economic situation:
The fiat money system around the world is a house of cards. There is no entity I know of that can borrow forever without paying back someday. Disregarding Europe, (which seems to be suffering worse that the US at the moment if you believe all the propaganda out there), I doubt the amount borrowed by the US Feds - never mind the states and cities, the corporates and individuals, will ever be paid back - and we are talking trillions. (Remember that the Gross National Product of the USA is between 10 and 15 Trillion). Mother Nature has her own ways of extracting payment.
When Central bankers around the world collude to save something - be it the financial system, the dollar or whatever - they never commit to such a process unless there is a clear and present danger. That danger had to be recognized by all parties for them to take any action, whatever the outcome.
When the problems with our financial system became apparent, countries started “diversifying” out of the US$. (Read "dumping" it as quickly as possible without starting a panic.) Aside from the last few days, which I attribute largely to “open market operations” (read manipulation) and the fact that markets never go in a straight line, the US$ has been slipping badly against all currencies, and the effort to “diversify” has spread to nearly every country.
The dollar is a forty pound weakling and the whole world knows it. The dollar underpinned nearly every currency in the world (including the Euro) and still does to a large extent despite the “diversification.” The clear and present danger affects all fiat currencies around the world.
Governments have learned to distract others - particularly their voters - from an issue by setting up a straw dummy and knocking it down. In the case where the main thrust of some legislation would be roundly condemned, they add one positively draconian measure as a dummy and give it up to achieve all their other goals. What bigger distraction could there be than WWIII, nuclear/biological/EMP style? I think the US set out to distract their voters and the world from the financial problems by saber rattling over Iran. War is not only hell, it is expensive.
I think the US made a mistake. Russia recognized the ploy and has taken advantage of it. In 1989, when the USSR went bankrupt over the Cold War, the US was in bad financial shape as well. No war in history has ever been settled until one or both of the protagonists went broke.
Since that time, Putin has been busy, particularly in the oil patch, strengthening Russia’s financial position. (I suspect he now has FAR more reserves financially that the US which currently amounts to only “the full faith” of the US and loans that are so large as to frighten most of the holders of that paper.)
The financial situation in the US continues to deteriorate. Parties around the world are less likely to lend their winnings to the US if they do not expect to get paid back, both in principle AND interest. It may be argued that the US has a superior military to Russia. I don’t know. What I do know is that the care and feeding of that military costs astronomical amounts. Will the US have to borrow from Russia in order to challenge them militarily as they currently do with China in order to trade? And then there is Afghanistan and Pakistan, two other quagmires. And who knows what China, with vast financial reserves, is thinking?
The US was busy steaming towards Iran and Georgia - the latter a US-backed country which attacked South Ossetia, a Russian-backed region. Within 24 hours, Russia had thousands of men and massive amounts of equipment in Ossetia. You don’t move that number of men and equipment in 24 hours unless you are fully prepared to do so, and even then it is difficult. It took many weeks for the US to move that amount of assets during Desert Storm. Russia was prepared, for whatever reason, for that attack. Ooops, suddenly the US is being attacked on another somewhat unprepared flank. The US had prepared for a great show of distraction, and could it be that Russia has other plans? Putin is not god but he is no dumbbell.
The US is between a rock and a hard place. They have wars on umpteen fronts and are trying to save their financial system which they need to fight even one war. Despite all the happy news in the markets of the last few days, the financial malaise is growing and not bottoming. Not only that, but world supplies of oil are tight, and the US imports at least two thirds of its oil. To maintain its world status and/or military, the US needs Iraq, Iran, AND Georgia.
I understand Mexico, a big supplier of oil, has just become a net importer. Canada, the largest oil supplier to the US, has conventional reserves that are dropping alarmingly. And despite its vast oil sands, Canada can't expand oil production from this source very quickly. (Oil sands extraction needs fresh water, and they are almost at the limit now).
Moreover, if the West abandons Georgia, not only will they lose that oil source, their weakness will be apparent for all to see. And surely the other players in this game will turn on them. It is Mother Nature' way.
Posted On: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 2:53:00 PM EST
Someone I know served a year
Someone I know served a year at Andrews Airforce Base as his "deployment" in 2004. While there, he saw a building packed to the ceiling with "a soldier's manual to Iran" similar to the unclassified manual to Iraq. Thousands of them.
www.campdoha.org/soldiers...
There is no question that the US has planned the possibility of an attack on Iran for years. Who knows. Maybe they have a manual for every country.
this has very little to do with a naval build up
but i have a family member in 5th Special Forces group. nothing unusual about his day-to-day routine to lead me to believe we're about to attack Iran. one of my best friends is in the 82nd Airborne. none of the brigades have been put on notice of a pending rapid deployment as of Sunday. in fact he's home and on his way to my house in a few minutes.
i'm not saying any of this is concrete evidence, but i'm not worried at the moment.
It will take a few weeks for all of them to get there.
They aren't planes you know...lol. This might be a precursor to setting up for war.
Georgia 'sacrificed' in order to invade Iran?
I heard this idea floated before. Have we staked out Georgia for the buzzards, with a guarantee the Russkies control that pipeline in order that we might go into Iran and secure that oil for our own purposes?
You know, one dirty hand washing another....
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
with this going on and morons on the daily paul think we don't
have a massive ship movement underway!
http://freeandindependent...
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
as for me and my wife...
we're planning on getting the FUCK out of dodge.
to hell with any lord or your making.
very insightful and
very insightful and thoughtful ... everyone should take your advice!
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
As for You and Your Wife
Do as you need to do...But ....Don't play into hate ok? The Ron Paul R3VoLtIoNaRi3s should all be on the same page which equals Freedom For ALL. R3memb3r?
lots of trolls on here...
lots of trolls on here... notice how the attacks are increasing the closer we get to an event!
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
By your faked defensiveness,
I'm thinking your deliberately posting disinformation.
nice try troll as for me and
nice try troll
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
This guy has dissected and analyzed the "development" of this
fake story!
http://fabiusmaximus.word...
Hang on
Sandra you have a point here.
"Truth is the first victim of War"
Nice.
We need a Medic over here!!!!