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Blowback from Bear Baiting by Pat Buchanan

"After shelling and attacking what he claims is his own country, killing scores of his own Ossetian citizens and sending tens of thousands fleeing into Russia, Saakashvili’s army was whipped back into Georgia in 48 hours."

http://www.buchanan.org/b...

As an "American trained lawyer" Saakashvili no doubt was pursuing the 'rule of law' that we hear touted so loudly by the elites of Europe and the US.

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Pat Buchanan is telling it like it is and I commend him for speaking out. Karl Schwarz is also spot on with his continuing updated commentary on what is going down over there, unfortunately www.rense.com is under very high level and sophisticated hacking attacks and the site is actually down again.

Getting out my

trusty little oil pipeline map of Central Asia and the Middle East. Oh! Now I get it.

The Europeens depend for a big part on russian oil

and especially on russian natural gas.

Now some bigmouthed politicans in the EU talking of some kind of sanctions.

As an answer, Putin ordered a speed-up in the construction of the Eastern-Siberian-Pacific-Pipeline:

http://www.transneft.ru/S...

And China, Japan and even the US will be happy to be the new customers!

Can not even get his website

Can not even get his website to load anymore....

Crickett

You can find the article here:

http://www.realclearpolit...

Thank you. A GREAT

Thank you. A GREAT knowledgeable article. He is really something.

RUSSIA & civil libertys war

Reading most the comments I get the sense that people believe the USSR died without a shot. I don't think so. The Russians surely were guarenteed something in the NEW WORLD ORDER. The COLD WAR didn't just up and die when that wall came down . Someone is pretty nieve to think that something that large just went away one day. We may have the perception that we won something , but here at home we are facing ever encroaching regulation & rights violation like nerver before in this COUNTRY,in the good old USA. MY property rights , right of redress , firearms rights , right of assembly , FREE exercise of religion & speach , all have been almost negated, by what seems to be common sense rules, CODES & regulations. WE the PEOPLE who uphold these truthes are being systematicly silensed, by those taunting their patriotism & using words like, " this is for your own good". WE need men, including woman to stand for the LAW of the LAND and persons who will defend what principles ARE ours, by birthright. The principles & idea which brought this nation into existance are ours, TODAY. THE COURT can interprit a law into anything they wish ,but they CANNOT change the very basis of why this COUNTRY was formed. ALL LAW was given to protect these fundamental beliefs. NO matter how you slice the LAWS, if
any interpritation goes against those founding principles, that interpritation must be discarded , IF YOU are an AMERICAN.........This COUNTRY was fomed to get away from the oppresions of EUROPEAN
influence & NOW we seem to be returniing to the vommit.
CONSIDER ti YOURS
TLF

they retreated...

to fight another day. the kgb and communism is alive and well

Pictures from the war in South Ossetia

not from CNNBCBCABC, but from the russian side:

http://osinform.ru/foto/7...

Beware - some pictures are graphic!

Please scroll down (the uper part of the website is empty).

Images open best with Firefox.

Pat's the man

Give me a paleocon like Pat Buchanan over a neocon any day.

Stephen F. Cohen just mentioned *blowback*

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...in his first sentence in a powerful interview I just heard.

Stephen F. Cohen is professor of Russian studies at New York University. His latest book is "Failed Crusade: America and the Tragedy of Post-Communist Russia." Distributed by Agence Global.
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Stephen F. Cohen: U.S. Candidates Ignoring Russia Issue

http://www.robertamsterda...

Wrong on Russia

By Stephen F. Cohen

Neither of the two major American presidential candidates has seriously addressed, or even seems fully aware of, what should be our greatest foreign policy concern - Russia's singular capacity to endanger or enhance our national security.

Despite its diminished status following the Soviet breakup in 1991, Russia alone possesses weapons that can destroy the United States, a military-industrial complex nearly America's equal in exporting arms, vast quantities of questionably secured nuclear materials sought by terrorists, and the planet's largest oil and natural gas reserves.

It also remains the world's largest territorial country, pivotally situated in the West and the East, at the crossroads of colliding civilizations, with strategic capabilities from Europe, Iran and other Middle East nations to North Korea, China, India, Afghanistan and even Latin America. All things considered, our national security may depend more on Russia than Russia's does on us.

And yet U.S.-Russian relations are worse today than they have been in 20 years. The relationship includes almost as many serious conflicts as it did during the cold war - among them, Kosovo, Iran, the former Soviet republics of Ukraine and Georgia, Venezuela, NATO expansion, missile defense, access to oil and the Kremlin's internal politics - and less actual cooperation, particularly in essential matters involving nuclear weapons.

Even the current cold peace could be more dangerous than its predecessor, for three reasons: First, its front line is not in Berlin or the Third World but on Russia's own borders, where U.S. and NATO military power is increasingly ensconced. Second, lethal dangers inherent in Moscow's impaired controls over its vast stockpiles of materials of mass destruction and thousands of missiles on hair-trigger alert, a legacy of the state's disintegration in the 1990s, exceed any such threats in the past. And third, also unlike before, there is no effective domestic opposition to hawkish policies in Washington or Moscow, only influential proponents and cheerleaders.

How did it come to this?

In the U.S. policy elite and media, the nearly unanimous answer is that Russian President Vladimir Putin's antidemocratic domestic policies and "neo-imperialism" destroyed that historic opportunity. You don't have to be a Putin apologist to understand that this is not an adequate explanation.

During the last eight years, Putin's foreign policies have been largely a reaction to Washington's winner-take-all approach to Moscow since the early 1990s, which resulted from a revised U.S. view of how the cold war ended.

In that new triumphalist narrative, America "won" the 40-year conflict and post-Soviet Russia was a defeated nation analogous to post-World War II Germany and Japan - a nation without full sovereignty at home or autonomous national interests abroad.

The policy implication of that bipartisan triumphalism, which persists today, has been clear, certainly to Moscow. It meant that the United States had the right to oversee Russia's post-Communist political and economic development, as it tried to do directly in the 1990s, while demanding that Moscow yield to U.S. international interests. It meant Washington could break strategic promises to Moscow, as when the Clinton administration began NATO's eastward expansion, and disregard extraordinary Kremlin overtures, as when the Bush Administration unilaterally withdrew from the ABM treaty and granted NATO membership to countries even closer to Russia - despite Putin's crucial assistance to the U.S. war effort in Afghanistan after 9/11. It even meant America was entitled to Russia's traditional sphere of security and energy supplies, from the Baltics, Ukraine and Georgia to Central Asia and the Caspian.

Such U.S. behavior was bound to produce a Russian backlash. It came under Putin, but it would have been the reaction of any strong Kremlin leader. Those U.S. policies - widely viewed in Moscow as an "encirclement" designed to keep Russia weak and to control its resources - have helped revive an assertive Russian nationalism, destroy the once strong pro-American lobby, and inspire widespread charges that concessions to Washington are "appeasement," even "capitulationism." The Kremlin may have overreacted, but the cause and effect threatening a new cold war are clear.

Because the first steps in this direction were taken in Washington, so must be initiatives to reverse it. Three are essential and urgent: a U.S. diplomacy that treats Russia as a sovereign great power with commensurate national interests; an end to NATO expansion before it reaches Ukraine, which would risk something worse than cold war; and a full resumption of negotiations to sharply reduce and fully secure all nuclear stockpiles and to prevent the impending arms race, which requires ending or agreeing on U.S. plans for a missile defense system in Europe.

American presidential campaigns are supposed to discuss such vital issues, but neither John McCain nor Barack Obama has done so. Instead, in varying degrees, both have promised to be "tougher" on the Kremlin than George W. Bush has allegedly been and to continue the encirclement of Russia and the hectoring "democracy promotion" there.

To be fair, nobody has asked the candidates about any of these crucial issues. They should do so now.
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RUSSIA THE MISSING DEBATE
http://www.iht.com/articl...

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www.dvds4delegates.com = Ron Paul, the 44th U.S. President _★

Great read thank you.

There is 10x more truth in that document then we find in the media.

Peace

the Neocon/McCain view?

...this blogger makes basic erroneous assumptions,
typical of his ilk....esp. since the US is the aggressor, and Russia is reacting to this aggression; i.e.: Georgia....but he does make some cogent points re. Europe and energy.....*RPR*...
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"A new Czar??
My view is that Putin may have miscalculated. While it is strategically important for Russia to control the oil flow from the Caspian basin as best it can, the invasion of Georgia will wonderfully concentrate the mind of the Poles, Balts, Bulgarians and most importantly the Ukrainians, drawing them closer to the west. The game is all about the Ukraine. The eastern part of the country Russian speaking and Russian-centric, while the west speaks Ukrainian and has affinity to the west. Putin's ham-handed move, while clever and completely in keeping with Russia's standard operating procedure, could tip the balance of politics in Ukraine our way. Russia would be hard-pressed to allow Ukraine to join NATO, for this would put it in an untenable strategic position with forces close to its border. Nonetheless the U.S. should push that objective to keep the pressure on. Ultimately it is in everyone's best interest to have Russia look to internal political reform, more balanced politics, rule of law, etc. as a way forward in prosperity. High energy price have allowed the Russians to revert to their authoritarian instincts and to delay reform. If Ukraine goes NATO, Russia has to make nicer in my judgment. Of course this all is a dangerous dance, but that is the way of the world.

The western Europeans are wonderfully naive. Why can't we all just get along? Kumbayah. When the Ruskies turned the gas off on Ukraine during the winter a couple of years ago, it should have been a wake up call for Germany and France. It wasn't much of one as it turned out. Russia's goal is to seize political influence in the west and pry Europe away from U.S. influence by placing its hand firmly on the energy switch.

History will write that the U.S. achieved important strategic objectives by positioning itself in Iraq at a time when peak oil was occurring. Putin now has made a counter-move. The Europeans have to choose which side they are on. They can continue to play Disneyland, or they can do what has to be done to support Ukraine, support our efforts in the Middle East and contain the expansive Russians who are feeling their Wheaties because they have gone from bankruptcy to bully because of the cash infusion from high oil prices. Secure sources of energy supplies is the ticket. Europe doesn't 'have one."

Siempre....

Sorry, but do you have a link to the article, "A New Czar?" Or did you write it? It seems to be saying the the US did indeed go to war for oil......

"History will write that the U.S. achieved important strategic objectives by positioning itself in Iraq at a time when peak oil was occurring."

there is a case for that...

but, is it ethical...is it righteous...we have our own oil, are we justified taking others'?

i'd like to hear your answer...

O Captain, My Captain, rise up and hear the bells!

I think it is evil to send

I think it is evil to send our young people to Iraq to die on false pretenses. In my opinion that is what we did. It was for oil and other war profiteering.

Neocons can rationalize and employ false patriotism all they want, but I don't buy it.

Realdeal, most still think Russia invaded Georgia...

and I keep finding great commentary on the 'net, like this....
but I couldn't locate the blog I previously posted, sorry to say....I frequent way too many sites to remember them all, esp. at my age....
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"Pouting at Putin --
....Putin is a thug (ask Groznians). President Saakashvili gave him an opening and he took it. In 6 days, Putin has undone the 6 years of US-led military buildup meant to bring Georgia up to NATO standards. Perhaps not since Pearl Harbor has so much US military equipment been destroyed so quickly. Or sent to "enemy" labs for reverse engineering.

Bush is a thug (ask Fallujans). But there's a big difference between the two leaders. Putin has won every war he's fought. Bush hasn't won a single one. Worse, he's helped his friends lose their own (Lebanon'06, Georgia'08). No time for glibness, but if you want to lose a war a good first step would be to follow President Saakashvili's lead and rename the main road to your airport "George W. Bush Street," as a starstruck Saak gleefully did. Perhaps he could have gone one step further and renamed the nation of Georgia "GeorgiaBushi." Saak was so flattered to welcome thousands of US and Israeli military advisors to his country. Now, that really helped."
http://www.tinyrevolution...

[commentary in quotes not mine]

Could you imagine Pat

Could you imagine Pat Buchanan debating some statist in the MSM debates. The moderator would be left clueless. The republocrat opponent would look dazed and give canned talking points having nothing to do with the topic being debated.

Ron Paul/Pat Buchanan ticket for Liberty and the Constitution.

Bump

For Truth. Such a good article deserves to go to active forum topics. There seems to be a glitch.

Pat Buchanan, unlike Glenn

Pat Buchanan, unlike Glenn Beck, often criticizes neocon imperialism. Sign up to have his articles emailed. This excellent one validates many of the points Ron Paul often makes - that our corrupt government refuses and most Americans are either to ignorant or stupid to see what their governments policy of imperialism.

Those that remember Buchanan's presidential run will remember policy espoused closer to Glenn Beck (American Nationalism) than Ron Paul Libertarianism.

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POLITICS, n. A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. The
conduct of public affairs for private advantage. - Bierce
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Excellent article from Toronto's Globe & Mail:

Crisis in Georgia: How Misha messed up

Why on earth did Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili provoke this week's conflict and rekindle Russian expansionism?

http://www.theglobeandmai...

The Best

This globe and mail article is the best article I've read from western media.
And I respect Pat Buchanan more than man in politics next to Paul. He is the smartest, most well-read pundits out there and I knew he would provide an accurate and insightful commentary on this situation.

Brilliant analysis!

Pat really knocks it out of the park! So refreshing compared to MSM drivel.

Astonishing!

We, in the revolution, were waiting for someone of some credibility to stand up and speak the truth.

Do you think the msm will report this?

Everytime Condi Rice opens her lying, filthy, cfr mouth she makes me sick enough to vomit and I use that word to describe her because it is the one word that I think most closely represents her impact on our Nation. It is the one word that I think will cause the reader to be the most repulsed. Putrid, stinking vomit is what Condi Rice is. And what's worse, she takes her marching orders directly from Dick Cheney. It is sickening how she does it with such zeal.

Thank you, PJB! Please continue to speak more truth.

O Captain, My Captain, rise up and hear the bells!

Condi Rice spreads peace and goodness around the globe.

How dare you call her vomit. That is an insult to vomitus everywhere. Besides, you need to be careful what you say. The rumor is Condi is like Santa Claus, she is keeping a list of who is naughty and nice, and she is checking it twice. She may be our next VP. (When you think it can't get any worse.)

Saakashvili - American / Bilderberg Elite?

In a recent Ron Paul meetup, a fellow Liberty lover informed me that Saakashvili is in-fact a Bilderberg Elite. If this is the case, the American Patriotic cause has won a great battle in Georgia, with the Russian Army fighting the same battle against the EVIL NEW WORLD ORDER. Should we all move to Russia, to get away from the tyrannical MONITARY slavery of the Banking Elite.... ....Or should we keep spreading the message of hope and liberty in our, once GREATEST COUNTRY ON EARTH? Actually, with the LARGE numbers of people waking-up in America, I know that the Elite had better get packing and leave, if they do not want reprisal. Americans (UNITED STATES CITIZENS) are now awoken, and we will NEVER STOP exposing and rooting-out the NEW WORLD ORDER THUGS.
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Astounding

Take that, Mr. President! PJB and some truth for Americans. I would love to see Mr. Buchanon at the Rally for the Republic.

for sure

Pat is the man. That would have been a fun ticket to vote for in November.. Paul/Buchanan or Paul/Ventura

A Shout From The Mountain Top: Paul/Buchanan!

My only problem with this leadership is that of getting lazy. This country would actually be in good hands. Might tend not to do my civic duty to elect the best representative from my congressional district which, of course wouldn't be the Ron Paul kind of thing to do. I'll be in the front row of the Target Center. You won't see me applauding Jesse Ventura. Pro-choice, pro-homosexual:(:(:(

Paul/Johnson

What's not to love about Pat Buchanan? Other than his medieval notions of "economic nationalism" that it?

While I'd vote for Paul/Buchanan over McBama/O'Cain in a heartbeat, I'd still prefer to see Gary Johnson of Sarah Palin on the ticket.

Brother Buchanan would make a stellar Secretary of State!