Voting machines rigged? Well, at least they FINALLY admit it...
The Hidden Campaign
Ohio Voting Machines Contained Programming Error That Dropped Votes
By Mary Pat Flaherty
A voting system used in 34 states contains a critical programming error that can cause votes to be dropped while being electronically transferred from memory cards to a central tallying point, the manufacturer acknowledges.
The problem was identified after complaints from Ohio elections officials following the March primary there, but the logic error that is the root of the problem has been part of the software for 10 years, said Chris Riggall, a spokesman for Premier Election Solutions, formerly known as Diebold.
The flawed software is on both touch screen and optical scan voting machines made by Premier and the problem with vote counts is most likely to affect larger jurisdictions that feed many memory cards to a central counting database rapidly.
Riggall said he was "confident" that elections officials through the years would have realized votes had been dropped when they crosschecked their tallies to certify final elections results and would have reloaded cards so as not to lose votes. Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner has said no Ohio votes were lost because the nine Ohio counties that found the problem caught it before primary results were finalized.
As recently as May, Premier said the problem was not of its making but stemmed from anti-virus software that Ohio had installed on its machines. It also briefly said the mistakes could have come from human mistakes. Further testing by Ohio elections officials and then high volume tests by Premier uncovered the programming error.
"We are indeed distressed that our previous analysis of this issue was in error," Premier President Dave Byrd wrote Tuesday in a letter that was hand-delivered to Brunner. Premier and Brunner are in an ongoing court battle over the voting machines and whether Premier violated its contract with the state and warranties. Half of the Ohio's 88 counties use the GEMS system. Brunner has been a vocal critic of electronic voting machines,
Both Brunner and Premier said that remedies to the problem will be in place for the November presidential election. A nationwide customer alert with recommended actions was issued Tuesday by Premier. Approximately 1,750 jurisdictions use the flawed system, Riggall said. Both Maryland and Virginia use it, he said, although Virginia does not relay its votes to a central counting point, which is where the problem surfaces, Riggall said. Maryland does use a central count, he said. The District of Columbia does not use the GEMS system.
The problem is most likely to affect larger jurisdictions that upload multiple memory cards during counts, Riggall said. The GEMS system is supposed to save information from one card at a time to be counted in order as the cards are read by a database that Riggall described as the "mother ship." But a logic error in the program can cause incoming votes to essentially shove aside other votes that are waiting in the electronic line before they are counted. The mistake occurs in milliseconds, Premier's customer notice says.
The mistake is not immediately apparent, Riggall said, and would have to be caught when elections officials went to match how many memory cards they fed into a central database against how many show as being read by that database. Each card carries a unique marker.
Officials in Butler County, Ohio -- north of Cincinnati -- were the first to raise the issue when 150 votes from a card dropped in March. Brunner's office originally said that 11 counties had the same problem but has since revised that to nine. Her office was not able to say how many dropped votes were discovered in those jurisdictions.
"I can't provide odds on whether dropped votes were not recognized" during the decade GEMS has been used, Rigall said, "but based on what we know about how our customers run their elections and reconcile counts we believe any results not uploaded on election night would have been caught when elections were being certified."
In his letter to Ohio's Brunner, Premier's president said, "Voters in jurisdictions Premier serves, both in Ohio and throughout the country, can be assured that election officials employing standard canvass and crosscheck procedures will count their votes completely and accurately."
Unlike other software, the problem acknowledged by Premier cannot be fixed by sending out a coding fix to its customers because of federal rules for certifying election systems, Rigall said. Changes to systems must go through the Election Assistance Commission, he said, and take two years on average for certification and approval -- and that is apart from whatever approvals and reviews would be needed by each elections board throughout the country.
Brunner said she appreciated "the forthrightness" of Byrd in his letter to her and commended Butler County officials "who went above and beyond the call of duty" to pursue the problem.
"As far as I know, we have not seen that problem," with dropped votes, said Ross Goldstein, deputy administrator for Maryland's State Board of Elections. Maryland counties do upload results to a central system -- which is what generates county vote totals on election night -- but state procedures call for counties to reload every memory card the day after the election to doublecheck results, Goldstein said.
The safeguards that Premier calls for its in customer alert, he said, already are in place in Maryland.
THAT MUST HAVE BEEN MIGHTY HANDY FOR BUSH / CHENEY IN 2004, WHAT WITH THE WACKY OHIO VOTE GIVING THEM THE ELECTION.
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Public counting of paper ballots
Is the only way to go. Time consuming and tedious, but worth it!
My locale uses paper ballots, yet the woman who handed me my primary ballot showed obvious contempt when she had to give me a republican ballot.
There were two RP precinct leaders here and two votes for RP were recorded.
I was unable to witness the counting, but am sure that if there were NO precinct leaders that NO votes for RP would have been recorded.
I believe that the two votes were recorded out of fear.
Ugh!
I am getting beyond disgusted (breath deep) and people are "oh!, well what can we do," Ugh! Peace
lol... i dont think everyone
lol... i dont think everyone here appreciates how extremely simple writing a piece of vote tallying software should be to any competent engineer. To me thats kindof like saying that an architect effed up drawing a straight line even with the aid of his ruler. perhaps im oversimplifying a tad, because there are several components and it sounds like the bad code would be on the centralized tallying software (which even still should be dead simple to write), but this all isnt rocket science here, we're not putting astronauts on the moon. cmon its a program that is effectively counting things.
It's funny!
It seems that maybe only RP votes were dropped!
It sounds like a simultaneous access problem
The problem seems to be one of not properly handling the situation where two or more users are accessing the same records at the same time. Basically, my station reads a record from the database in preparation for updating it, the your station reads the same record. My station updates the record and writes it back, then your station updates the record you had read and writes it back, overwriting my update. I'm guessing the database technology they are using is somewhat out of date, because modern databases are pretty good at handling these issues (though I suppose you could still mess it up). I remember having similar issues with databases from 15 to 20 years ago that caused no end of pain trying to debug. While this certainly could be a nefarious situation, it could also just be a case of bad quality control. Believe me, there is plenty of that in the software industry, I am ashamed to say.
From what I have seen in the
From what I have seen in the videos from BlackBox Voting, showed they were using a MS Access database, which has record locking...
They are blaming the anti-virus?
I do not believe this excuse...
Who Governs the Governless?
That explains everything!
MS Access is horrible when it comes to multiuser access. I have personally worked with an Access database that lost records during high usage times. Once we switched to SQL Server our problems went away, without changing anything other than the connection code. MS Access is a single user desktop database that should NEVER be used in multiuser environments. Unfortunately it frequently is used that way.
Yep.
Especially considering the obscene amount of money they probably spent on these systems. Hand counted paper ballots in public is the only way to go.
I agree with the paper ballot comment
No matter what the cause of the error, the best solution is to force the transparency of publicly counted paper ballots.
Diebold: We Vote So You Don't Have To
"Changes to systems must go through the Election Assistance Commission, he said, and take two years on average for certification and approval -- and that is apart from whatever approvals and reviews would be needed by each elections board throughout the country."
Just enough time for everyone to forget that -- ooops! -- the vote counts were kinda, like, off a bit, and maybe the person now in office shouldn't be there.
Here's the UPI article on this subject.
From that article:
Meanwhile, the Washington Post article in the OP says:
Inaccurate reporting by one of the sources, or, Diebold talking out of both sides of their mouths?
And I'll again acknowledge the hubris of Diebold's new moniker of Premier Election Solutions. "Election Solutions," indeed.
We know the electronic voting machines are screwed...
... but use them anyway. It's OK, really. Trust us.
and the imbeciles, I mean voting public, will use them anyway with nary a complaint.
The guys name is
Riggall? Are you kidding me? Rigg all. Strange.