Why did Ron endorse a pro-war Republican?
Posted August 25th, 2008 by atrickpay
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Ron recently endorsed Don Young from Alaska for Congress.
Paul and Young are a bit of an odd couple. Paul is a fiscal conservative; Young believes in earmarking federal dollars for Alaska wherever possible. Paul opposes the Iraq war; Young supports it.
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half of this discussion is crap
Stay on topic and stop the playground slappy-fights already. And no, I *don't* care who started it.
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this just in from ConservativeHQ (Richard Viguerie)
FOR RELEASE August 25, 2008
Richard Viguerie: Ron Paul endorsement of Don Young “shocking and disappointing;” Texas Congressman “put pork ahead of principle”
(Manassas, Virginia) By endorsing Congressman Don Young (R-Alaska) for reelection over his principled conservative challenger, Congressman Ron Paul (R-Texas) has put “pork ahead of principle,” Richard A. Viguerie said.
Viguerie, Chairman of ConservativeHQ.com, said the endorsement is “completely inconsistent with everything Congressman Paul has said that he stands for. But, unfortunately, it is consistent with his record of pork-barrel spending for the folks back home in his district.”
Viguerie noted that, according to a recent article in the Houston Chronicle, Paul “is trying to nab public money for 65 projects, such as marketing wild shrimp and renovating the old movie theater in Edna that closed in 1977 — neither of which is envisioned in the Constitution as an essential government function.”
(A list of Congressman Paul’s earmark requests for Fiscal 2009 has been posted at http://blogs.chron.com/tx... .)
Young is extremely influential on congressional pork. He is the 7th most senior member of the House and the 3rd most senior Republican, and chaired the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee from 2001 until the Democratic takeover in 2007. He is currently the top Republican on the House Natural Resources Committee.
Paul is supporting Young against Sean Parnell, whom Viguerie called “a principled conservative reformer who will fight the ‘culture of corruption’ in Washington.”
In contrast, “Young represents the system of earmarking and pork-barrel spending that works hand-in-glove with Big Government against the interests of the people of Alaska and the entire nation.”
Young, who is under federal investigation for illegal gratuities and unreported gifts, is “a world-class porker, infamous for his Bridge to Nowhere and hundreds of millions in other earmarks,” Viguerie said.
“I have been a strong supporter of Ron Paul for many years, including naming him one of the nation’s up-and-coming leaders in a Conservative Digest magazine article I published almost 25 years ago,” Viguerie said. “His overall record on other issues far outweighed his atrocious use of earmarks for his own district.
“However, his endorsement of Don Young is something no conservative or libertarian can excuse. I’m sure I join many fans of Ron Paul who are shocked and disappointed by this decision.”
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lets not forget
he was elected by his constituents.....and he needs to take care of them as well....you know...to keep his job......
The ear mark thing. Well,
The ear mark thing.
Well, the money for ear marks doesnt get added to the bill. It gets taken from the money that is already alotted to the bill.
He isnt asking for more money from tax payers. He is asking for the money that has already been taken to be distributed back into something that benefits the tax payers. On his own website, he says that as long as we are taxed, he will try to get that money coming back to us through these ear marks.
Dont be fooled by this post. Ron would rather the federal government have no funding than us be taxed. But I hope you all know that.
So by your logic.
if I steal money from a thief who stole it from somebody else, that is OK, because I didn't do the original stealing --- and besides, I am so much more important than everyone else, after all!
Disgusting rationalization of criminal behaviour and economic insanity.
nvrmnd
this thread is sick
Your illogic.
Your illogic doesn't allow you to recognize that if someone steals money from a community, going to him and taking that money back and redistributing it to the community is not stealing. It's the opposite of stealing.
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Don't blame me if there's no voice for liberty opposing McCain and Obama in the Presidential debates. I donated to Ron Paul Libertarian, Bob Barr's campaign.
Sorry, Pro-Fed
Robin Hood is not one who I would hold up as a paragon of moral behaviour.
That same perverted rationale is being used even as we speak by the kings of pork-barrel spending, Don Young and Ted Stevens, to justify their rape of the US Treasury for the narrow and selfish benefit of Alaska --- or more to the point, to the benefit of certain well-connected business interests of Alaska. "It's only our own money, after all!" Right --- with the government taking its cut along the way. And the money is hardly being redistributed equally or equitably --- it inevitably flows to those with the most power, or who work hand-in-hand with state and federal government.
Care to make any other pro-big-government arguments tonight?
If there was some way
to determine how much money came from which person and distribute back in the precise amounts to each person, I'm sure he would do that. But there's not. So you have to get it back into the community any way you can. And Ron Paul is one that should be doing this, because he's the elected representative of his community. If he doesn't then the President gets ti decides where the money goes, and you know where that will be.
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Don't blame me if there's no voice for liberty opposing McCain and Obama in the Presidential debates. I donated to Ron Paul Libertarian, Bob Barr's campaign.
I agree wholeheartedly. If
I agree wholeheartedly. If someone takes your money through taxes, and then says they will give money for a park, back to your city if you want it, but if not they will give it to another city who DOES want it, what would you say? Gimme the pork.
Why not give the money back?
I'll take a check. I don't need a park.
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Wrong again, for a perfect record
No, what needs to be done is to stop defending the morally and economically indefensible, and fight to put a STOP to the whole insane redistributionary system!
All you can ever offer is apologies for the status-quo and the powers-that-be, couched in the rhetoric of supporting liberty and small government.
YOU, pro-fed, are the most evil and diabolical troll ever to haunt the Daily Paul. I will attack you every chance I get, because everything you say is anti-freedom and pro-big-government.
When government taxes,
if forces us into the position of fighting each other for a peice of the pie to get our money back by getting it spent on what we want it to spent on. If you're attacking people fighting over the pie, you're attacking the wrong thing. You should attacking government for taxing in the first place. It puts us in this position. Apparently you prefer the President to decide for himself how this money is going to be used, which is support of authoritarianism.
So I'm "the most evil and diabolical troll ever to haunt the Daily Paul." That's quite an honor.
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Don't blame me if there's no voice for liberty opposing McCain and Obama in the Presidential debates. I donated to Ron Paul Libertarian, Bob Barr's campaign.
Pro-fed defends theft
No, you put yourself in that position, and worse, believe it to be morally defensible.
All you propose is more status-quo, more status-quo, more status-quo, always defending it and never with any outrage toward it. That is NOT what a true believer in liberty sounds like. And I can just hear you replying that we "have to work within the system", "have to be pragmatic", "have to take baby steps", blah blah blah.
You know what, pro-fed? No revolution or political change was ever effected without first evoking widespread, un-pragmatic, un-accomodating outrage and desire for change. You demonstrate no such emotions here, ever, which mark you as a sycophantic supporter of the establishment in all its manifestations.
I can easily imagine you killing your mother in a lifeboat, because after all, that makes that much more food for you.
LOL.
I just repeated Dr. Paul's reasoning for the earmarks, as he explained in the Russert interview. You think the rationalization is evil. So why are you are supporting Ron Paul if you think he defends theft? Why are you here?
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Don't blame me if there's no voice for liberty opposing McCain and Obama in the Presidential debates. I donated to Ron Paul Libertarian, Bob Barr's campaign.
Pro-fed
You STILL cannot bring yourself to any kind of righteous anger over the morally and economically corrupt system, can you?
No, I do not agree with Ron Paul's position on earmarks. But you defend them, as you defend the status-quo here time after time.
How does it feel to be an agent for evil?
One thing I've learned is
One thing I've learned is that anytime someone has to drag the word "evil" into their argumentation, I'm dealing with a delusional person.
I've already made it
clear that I oppose taxes on income.
And I don't know why you're calling me "pro-fed," when I've seen explicitly that I prefer that there be no Fed. My positions are extremely close, if not exact duplicates, of Ron Paul's positions. Like I said before, I'm just too Ron Paul for you.
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Don't blame me if there's no voice for liberty opposing McCain and Obama in the Presidential debates. I donated to Ron Paul Libertarian, Bob Barr's campaign.
No, you're just too statist for me
You are a slick troll, I will grant you that, and very deceptive and duplicitous. Like any good propagandist, you skillfully mix your lies with the truth to attempt to deceive those of good faith. I, and others here, can plainly see right through you. Your support for the established status-quo comes through in everything you write, you cunning use of pro-liberty rhetoric to the contrary.
You are a loathsome traitor to liberty, who should be banned from this forum.
LOL!
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Don't blame me if there's no voice for liberty opposing McCain and Obama in the Presidential debates. I donated to Ron Paul Libertarian, Bob Barr's campaign.
"Lying On Line?"
"Lying On Line?"
Laugh out loud.
At you.
Get help.
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Don't blame me if there's no voice for liberty opposing McCain and Obama in the Presidential debates. I donated to Ron Paul Libertarian, Bob Barr's campaign.
Don't need it, thanks. But
Don't need it, thanks.
But you will someday, perhaps soon, when your beloved current financial and political house-of-cards collapses, taking your self-identity with it.
Some Background on Don Young's opponent
Sean Parnell, the Alaska Lt. Gov., is Young's major opponent. Parnell is a lackey of big oil and favors corporate welfare. His campaign is being bankrolled (70%+) by a lower-48 PAC who gives Ron Paul a 26% rating.
I don't like Sean Parnell--he is too slimy and squirrelly for my liking, and I have some serious issues with Don Young. But Don Young was willing to co-sponsor Dr. Paul's legislation to abolish the IRS and overturn the 16th amendment, and that is something few other congress-critters were willing to do. He also opposes the radical environmentalist agenda. I think these two things may have had an influence on Ron's endorsement.
Also remember that Ron Paul has spoken favorably of Dennis Kucinich, who is a big government socialist, who just happens to be right on foreign policy. Sometimes you need friends and allies all across the spectrum to get anywhere in this political game. Purists seldom get anywhere.
Do not understand this message of mine as an endorsement of Don Young, however, for it is not.
I hope this helps some
I hope this helps some people awaken more or grow up. We are slowly changing the government. Each step is a step TOWARDS the "perfection" that we seek. Do not be so fast as to judge people for one belief or two. Ron sure doesn't, when he calls Kucinich his friend.
Thanks for the info on Parnell, Alaskaron...
...that and the Liberty Amendment sign-on by Young is enough for me...
Thank you so much
for clearing this up. Maybe, it can be put to rest and we can get busy helping delegates. Peace
This cleared things up for
This cleared things up for me. Thanks.
Young is also the third most senior Republican in the House and was the chair of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, not a bad friend to have. If Dr. Paul can use the political muscle we have given him to good ends, and I consider gaining a powerful friend and defeating a corporate welfare man good ends, then I see little problem here.
I found it interesting that Richard Viguerie sent out an e-mail attacking Dr. Paul for this endorsement. He says that Parnell is a "principled conservative". I believe AlaskaRon on Parnell's character, and question Viguerie's motives. I doubt I have to say this but Dr. Paul has been clear on his earmark position for a while now. He recognizes it for the relative non issue that it is.
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"Freedom suppressed and again regained bites with keener fangs than freedom never endangered." -- Cicero
I'm with you, Alaskaron
I can not stomach voting for either Parnell or Young --- I may just have to write in "None of the Above", as usual. But all the sycophantic ass-kissing of Dong (Not-so-) Young up here makes me sick, and ashamed to call myself an Alaskan.
How about the Ted Stevens ads that proclaim
at the end, "Without Ted, we're toast!"
WTF?
Without a porker Senator, we're TOAST? How far have we fallen!?
Oh man, I want to scream at that ad!
I say let's get together at Ted Stevens campaign headquarters and throw toast!
The absolutely sheeplike and politician-worshipping mentality of so many here in Alaska just blows my mind, and makes me think those fools deserve exactly what they are getting in Dong (not-so-)Young and Ted "What $250,000?" Stevens. Unfortunately, we will all get the same.
Throw Toast at Ted!
I love it. Hilarious. We could even dress up as big slices of toast and picket his HQ.
Throw Toast at Ted!
I love it. Hilarious. We could even dress up as big slices of toast and picket his HQ.
Yeah, AlaskaRon, and we
Yeah, AlaskaRon, and we could hand out toast to all the passers-by as well, saying: "This is what Alaska is BECAUSE of Ted Stevens"! I would do it!
There's always Gabrielle LeDoux
But as one RP supporter recently stated, she seems like she just aspires to be "an ethical Don Young."
Bingo
And the emotional pandering evident in her commercials, capitalizing on the deaths of her husband and son, are contemptible and disgust me completely. I cannot and will not choose from the "Three Blind Mice".
Between that and Begich capitalizing on the disappearance of
his father over the Chugach Mountains, I'm not sure which is worse.
Alaska is totally screwed this year, unfortunately.
"Vote for me because my dad who used to be the congressman died in a plane crash!"
"Vote for me because my son and husband died in a car wreck!"
All tragic accidents, of course. But emotional pandering, for sure.
"Pity me, pity me, vote for me!"
Write-in, for sure.
Thanks Ron.
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Hmmmm...this Don Young is
Hmmmm...this Don Young is NOT on Dr. Paul's approved list of candidates at his Liberty PAC site.
http://www.libertypac.net...
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"Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam."
A Liberty PAC endorsement does not equal an RP personal
endorsement. RP the person and Liberty PAC the PAC can endorse separately. In fact, RP is only the "honorary chairman" of Liberty PAC.
Don't read too much into it.
I believe the Don Young endorsement is real. It has been a really hot topic of conversation among Alaska Ron Paulites over the last week.
Young's major opponent, Sean Parnell, immediately responded, courting RP voters.
Mostly I am excited that Alaskan politicians are courting the 15% of Alaskan republicans who supported Ron Paul. It means that our influence will be felt. It means we are an important bloc that cannot be ignored.
A Liberty PAC endorsement DOES equal an RP personal endorsement
As a Ron Paul-endorsed state candidate, I can attest that a Liberty PAC endorsement does equal an RP personal endorsement.
Please donate to my campaign today to support the cause of liberty!
Thank you,
Rob Alexander
Candidate for State Representative
Utah Legislative District 35
voterob.alexanderfamily.org
My apologies, Rob
I should have said that the other way:
"A Ron Paul personal endorsement is not the equivalent of a Liberty PAC endorsement." Ron Paul is free to endorse someone independent of the PAC.
Most importantly, though: Good luck in District 35! With the feds wanting to come into Utah and "solve" more non-problems, we need some real liberty minded legislators in Utah.
THANK YOU FOR RUNNING!!!!!
AlaskaRon
Nice find clinton.
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And here is the press release Don Young sent out
From: press@donyoung08.com
Subject: Ron Paul Endorses Congressman Don Young
Date: August 20, 2008 14:52:39 PM
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
Alaskans for Don Young, Inc.
2504 Fairbanks Street
Anchorage, AK 99503
201 Old Steese Highway Suite 5
Fairbanks, AK 99701
www.donyoung08.com
Ron Paul Endorses Congressman Don Young
For Immediate Release: August 20, 2008
Campaign Spokesman: Michael Anderson 907-382-9177
Anchorage, AK - Republican Presidential candidate and Texas Congressman Ron Paul has officially endorsed Congressman Don Young in his re-election bid for Alaska's seat in the House of Representatives.
"Ron Paul is a good friend and colleague. I admire his passion and commitment to less government and greater personal freedom," said Rep. Young. "When we are faced with Members of Congress beholden to those extreme special interest groups who are dedicated to locking up our natural resources and limiting the rights of the individual American, it is important to have national leaders like Ron stand up and fight for all of us. I am proud to stand with him and am humbled by his support for my re-election."
The endorsement release can be found below.
From: Congressman Ron Paul
Subject: A Message for Alaskans
Date: August 18, 2008 07:26:20 AM
Dear Alaskan Supporter:
Please let me begin by once again giving you my heartfelt thanks for all you have done to support me. The reason our campaign was so successful in your state owes entirely to the fact that activists such as you worked so hard. For that I am truly grateful.
Alaska faces a primary election for federal offices on August 26.
As you go about deciding how you will vote, I wanted to write to you regarding Congressman Don Young. Don and I have served together in Congress for many years, and I consider him a friend. Don has been an outspoken voice against environmental extremists over the years, and has strongly opposed the types of federal regulatory overreach advocated in the name of environmentalism.
I am also glad to have Don as a cosponsor of one of the most significant pieces of legislation I have introduced, the Liberty Amendment. Few members of Congress have shown the insight to understand the importance of this sweeping legislation to restrain the federal government, and even fewer have shown the courage to cosponsor this bill. Don is one of those.
I support Don's campaign for re-election, and I felt it was important for you to know these things as you consider your vote in the upcoming primary.
Once again, I appreciate all you have done for me, and for our country. Your efforts on behalf of our cause are truly remarkable.
Sincerely,
Ron Paul
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I was upset at first... but...
This was a beautiful thing to read! Do you have any idea how many times Ron Paul has written legislation like this where he was the only one on board and it got funneled off to committee without so much as a second thought... and yet, here is proof that Paul can play the game to get the right things done...
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In his letter, Paul said he was supporting Young, in part, for his backing of the Liberty Amendment, which would bar the federal government from operating any business-type activities and abolish the federal income tax.
“Few members of Congress have shown the insight to understand the importance of this sweeping legislation to restrain the federal government, and even fewer have shown the courage to co-sponsor this bill,” Paul said. “Don is one of those.”
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If Paul's endorsement brings young a victory. The Republicans will be begging us for our support and RP's endorsement! Which means, that they will actually start to listen and tow the line! Damn this was exciting to read!
These politicians are self serving. If we give them a victory from Paul's endorsement, they will keep coming back for more, and Paul will hopefully require their endorsement of key legislation each time. This is the first time I have heard anything in a long time that has made me truly happy about our potential chances.
I got the email from Ron Paul's campaign directly last week
and can vouch for it's apparent authenticity. It came from the same address and mailing system that all of Ron Paul's emails come from. I am pasting it in its entirety below, with headers.
Don Young's campaign seemed unaware of it for a few days, then they sent it out as a press release, which I will post in a separate message.
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Dear Alaskan Supporter:
Please let me begin by once again giving you my heartfelt thanks for all you have done to support me. The reason our campaign was so successful in your state owes entirely to the fact that activists such as you worked so hard. For that I am truly grateful.
Alaska faces a primary election for federal offices on August 26.
As you go about deciding how you will vote, I wanted to write to you regarding Congressman Don Young. Don and I have served together in Congress for many years, and I consider him a friend. Don has been an outspoken voice against environmental extremists over the years, and has strongly opposed the types of federal regulatory overreach advocated in the name of environmentalism.
I am also glad to have Don as a cosponsor of one of the most significant pieces of legislation I have introduced, the Liberty Amendment. Few members of Congress have shown the insight to understand the importance of this sweeping legislation to restrain the federal government, and even fewer have shown the courage to cosponsor this bill. Don is one of those.
I support Don's campaign for re-election, and I felt it was important for you to know these things as you consider your vote in the upcoming primary.
Once again, I appreciate all you have done for me, and for our country. Your efforts on behalf of our cause are truly remarkable.
Sincerely,
Ron Paul
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He gave you his answer.
“Don has been an outspoken voice against environmental extremists over the years and has strongly opposed the types of federal regulatory overreach advocated in the name of environmentalism.”
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This sounds much more like
This sounds much more like typical Don Young campaign boilerplate than it sounds like something from Ron Paul's mouth.
I'm still very skeptical.
Interesting that you can
Interesting that you can express skepticism for this, and not the Sheehan story. Perhaps there's hope.