Why Are Barr-ites And Trolls Obsessed With 9/11? Post Theories Here
Posted September 3rd, 2008 by DC
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Are these guys really truthers trying to take advantage by posting more links and keeping the topic on the front page? Are they merely trolls trying to deflate discussion? (If so, I don't think it's working). Are they simply bored juveniles who will disappear once school resumes?
What's your take?
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I'm a Barr-ite who is not
I'm a Barr-ite who is not obsessed with 9-11.
I think your data is wrong.
I am neither a Barr-ite nor a troll but I think you are ...
speaking of me amoung others.
You have got to be kidding me.
I would want nothing better than this topic to go away, but you are free to do as you choose.
I am just trying to put things in perspective whenever this topic comes up.
The record needs to be accurate.
Ron Paul is not an "inside job" truther and never was one.
I think a new, independant investigation is very important regarding 9/11 and so does Dr. Paul. But do not put words in his mouth nor mine.
I think this "inside job" movement would have more merit if the advocates would simply state speculation as speculation and stop the personal attacks.
I will leave it at that.
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The least they could do
is change their signs, chants and yelps to "MAYBE 9/11 was an inside job!"
That would at least make themselves a bit more rational seeming.
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I guess you could say I
I guess you could say I don't support the "truth" movement and I am a Barr supporter. That being said, I would unabashedly say I have done more for liberty the the people who run around and yell "troll" at each and every turn. As to what I have done, my Ron Paul involvement is just a small part of my liberty history.
So to give a rational answer to this irrational question (and I say its irrational as it the entire premise that wrong) the reason that many of us might fall into the category that I do is we are interested in restoring liberty, not beating our chest in some macho fashion, and claiming how brave we are.
I personally don't know what happened at 9-11, who shot JFK, or if aliens really landed in Roswell, But I DO know I am losing more and more liberty everyday. I also know that while some people think things are cool to do, those things do not get you elected. I also know that getting elected (its either that or a bloody revolution) that will win you liberty.
When I'm i the mood for a good conspiracy, I watch a movie - there are plenty of them and I enjoy the hell out of them. However, if I want to stop the sort of twisted thinking that can bring about such events, I act dignified, I study the way things work, I put on my salesman cap, and I get to work. Doing that is not easy, there are times where as a salesman for liberty you have to be a... salesman! Barr is such a person, and its why I keep seeing him get on CNN when Badnarik couldn't get him name in a local school newspaper.
Now I now a lot of the anti-Barr rhetoric on this site is coming from closet McSame supporters, but a lot of it is coming from severely misguided Paul supporters. Its that later group that makes me sad as you should be the ones wide your eyes open. Barr is not Paul, everyone knows that, but that is not the point. Barr doesn't come to where he is the way that Paul did, but Barr is a more polished politician. Taking an honest look at him though you would have to see he is as committed to liberty as much as anyone on this site. If you can't honestly see that, then there is no hope for you are you are as lost as the McSame supporters, for you are only seeing what you want to see.
haha as an alleged "Barr Troll" I'll respond...
Please read this with an open mind...sometimes I notice people don't even think about the other side because they are so concerned with trying to prove themselves correct...Let's reason this out...
We are trying to gain as many supporters as possible, correct? In order to do so competently, you need to showcase your similarities with the "potential supporters". What we ought to be showcasing is the ideas of freedom and liberty. Everyone in America can rally under that banner. As RP says "Freedom bring us together, it doesn't divide us."
It is more rational to focus only on our similarities to draw more people into our movement rather than bringing up our similarities AND extremely controversial positions as well (FACT: 2/3 of Americans don't believe in the 9-11 conspiracy). Since the majority of Americans think truthers are "wack jobs", they don't want to be affiliated with the movement because the extremely controversial issue has overshadowed the message of freedom. Nobody wants to be friends with someone who they think is weird and/or nuts even if they happen to be the nicest people on earth.
The reality of the situation is that the 9-11 truthers have ruined our credibility. The 9-11 truthers have undermined RP's credibility explicitly in the Fox News debates, Glenn Beck show, the recent National Review article, and what I can't stand the most is when I tell people that I'm an RP supporters the FIRST thing they ask is if I am a Truther...UGHHH... We have a really great message of Freedom, but people are hesitant because they will always focus on the controversial issues...and the controversial issue of all controversial issues is 9-11.
Why bring up a controversial issue, when you can just rally behind the banner of Freedom which brings us all together? The 9-11 truth movement does nothing but divide Americans whether you like it or not...
Very well said. Perhaps with
Very well said. Perhaps with the two of us making the exact same point, a few people will understand what it is we are saying. One can hope.
The bottom line is, Barr supporters and others that don't want to run around saying, "there a man under your bed spying on you" are as interested in liberty as much as any of you.
I agree with you
Which is why until now I never gave my opinion about my feelings of 911. I agree that it must be separate from this campaign to not scare potential members for the reasons you state. I will for now on adhere to this policy.
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Here is my opinion
I do not accept the official story and I am not a troll. I am married with 3 kids and I am fighting for my children's future. I am a simulation engineer from the Detroit-Metro area. I first became aware of alternative theories about 911 a little more than a year ago. I just happened to come across a video showing the collapse of building 7 and that was my rabbit hole. What bothers me more than the perfect collapse is why hadn't I heard about this building until then? Shouldn't this collapse have been plastered all over the news? I study how steel fails using computer simulation for a living. There is simply no way that it could have fallen straight down at the speed of gravity. A partial collapse is all that should have occurred if even that. Since then I have been activated. I built a web-site and I have donated much of my time supporting the freedom movement trying to reverse the damage of the post-911 agenda. We should never have sacrificed freedom for security and this is why I feel Ron Paul has attracted people from the 911 truth community. Although I don't want to speak for anyone else I don't feel most of the people here who support 911 truth are trolls. Unless of course they come out and say ridiculous things like "The aliens did it" or "There were no planes." These statements are meant to discredit the movement as I am sure most of you are aware.
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I'm Not Implying That Everyone With An Opinion On 9/11 Is A Trol
But I am saying that there are obvious non-Paul supporting trolls who are obsessed with the topic. Most of them spend their time whining about "truthers." I'm trying to figure out why, if they're here to disrupt, they would be fixated on that particular issue. If they're really nervous about "truthers," wouldn't it make sense to ignore them? Why perpetuate discussion, simply to have more people research it?
I truly don't get it.
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I'm sorry I misunderstood...
The question you pose is why are non-Paul supporting bloggers obsessed with arguing with the "truthers?" I'm not sure if all these people who oppose the truthers are non-Paul people. Maybe maybe not. I will say that it has been my experience that there is a lot of animosity toward the alternative view. I think you would have to go back to the days after 911 to figure out why this is. The image of Bush declaring his war on the terrorists from the pulpit comes to mind. Here we have nationalism mixed with religion... "draped in a flag carrying a cross..." "Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th; malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists, themselves, away from the guilty." Here we are told in the beginning it is unpatriotic to question the story. I see this as a kind of brainwashing. I know for me it took a very conscious effort to look at the evidence. Before then, I would have been one of the people arguing with the truthers.
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LOL
Trying to link one with the other is another troll tactic. Barr has nothing to do with 9/11. I'll tell you who does-Israeli government, US Government and the international financiers.
There's a good movie about it right now called "fabled enemies" that links everything together. Its on google video and at www.prisonplanet.tv.
If you really want to help someone, help the 9/11 first responders who are calling for another 9/11 investigation. Thier movie is called "9/11 truth rising" also available at www.prisonplanet.tv. These heroes are the ones we should be helping, not the ones who put on stupid air force outfits and posture next to a plane they never flew.
I Never Said Barr Had Anything To Do With 9/11
But the Barr-ites (along with others, of course) who come here are obsessed with the topic to the exclusion of almost everything else. The question is why?
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"Barr-ites who come here are
"Barr-ites who come here are obsessed with the topic"
Says who? You? Prove it........ I dare ya.
Maybe Not ALL Of Them
But certainly you've noticed them. Unless it's always the same guy, I have to assume it's a common trait, even if not universal. I stand corrected.
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Actually there are a number
Actually there are a number of potential culprits. Mercenaries in private hire may have done it all.
The air needing to be cleared most is the fairy story that three giant skyscapers collapsed due to high rise fires.
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Mercenaries are only hired guns
They need a mission to get paid. The mission doesn't just materialize it comes from some organization.
As for fire destroying World Trade Tower 7-don't light a cigarette in a building or you'll risk total collapse! (according to NIST's thermal expansion theory)
I used to be obsessed with
I used to be obsessed with the 9-11 cover up until I started to read and learn about the Federal Reserve and their ability to create money out of thin air.
I came to the conclusion that the only way to beat the criminals was not to tell people that 9-11 was an inside job, but to educate the people about ther illegal and immoral fractional reserve system. I also spread the message of sound money. I believe if we had a sound currency or competing currencies, we would've never had a 9-11 and all these endless wars for Empire.
We can scream "9-11 was an inside job!" everyday, but that won't solve anything. Ending their monopoly money system is how we win. Period
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I Think That's True
. . . but the Barr-ites and trolls nevertheless want to fixate on 9/11. I'm gathering theories as to why.
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It's very clear why.
When you guys yell out "9/11 was an inside job" at rallies, the media reports it and it takes away from Paul's message which is that 9/11 was blowback.
We care about one of Dr. Paul's major justifications for a non-interventionist foreign policy being heard. You truthers and neocons work against people from hearing that, in your own ways.
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Riiiiiiiiiiiighhhhht
Yes, we must focus on only two things: non-interventionism, and the official 9/11 story. Forget about the sinister Fed; the Patriot Act; the income tax; Austrian economics; and everything else.
Thanks for your advice.
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SHILL SHILL SHILL SHILL
SHILL SHILL SHILL SHILL SHILL SHILL SHILL SHILL SHILL SHILL SHILL
"You truthers and neocons"
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Both Truthers and Neocons
reject Dr. Paul's explanation of 9/11.
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Both Truthers and Neocons
reject Dr. Paul's explanation of 9/11.
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You Are so infantile!!!
WAKE UP !!!
Because their anointed
Because their anointed candidate is an ex-CIA man who voted for the Patriot Act, and his running mate is a lackey of the neoconservative movement?
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That's laughable.
Not all anti-Truthers are Barr supporters. I've only seen one here. Me. You just assume everything that is against the 9/11 Truthers are Barr supporters.
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No, But You're One Of The Non-Paul Supporters Who Are Obsessed
We're trying to figure out the reason for your and some others obsession. You're obviously not going to tell us. So we're just engaging in some dialog here; that's what a MB is for, right?
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A non-Paul supporter?
I'm a Paul supporter.
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Why Do You Pretend?
You apparently think Ron Paul wants a rigged investigation. Do you think he has as little integrity as you? How can you say you support him? No one here is that gullible. You're here to support your obsession with 9/11, or to disrupt.
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DC, you are obviously
DC, you are obviously pretending to be a Ron Paul supporter. Why?
Do you intend to drag everyone so far off course that we give up and let everything go back to "normal"?
We've got more evidence on these boards that you are an anti-Paulite, than you have evidence that Dr. Paul supports your "Truther" viewpoint!
No i dont think
Paul wants a "rigged investigation" and you have no reason to think I think that. He wants independent investigation, not a government investigation. It's government investigations that are rigged.
How can you say I don't suport him? I representing his positions.
I have more reason to say that you don't support him if you disagree with him that 9/11 was blowback, which has been a major position in his campaign.
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Of Course I Have No Reason To Think It
I just said I didn't. You're the one who's said it should be directed that way. And therefore, no, you don't support him.
BTW, what do you think of Ron Paul's "conspiracy theory" about the Gulf of Tonkin?
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"The Gulf of Tonkin was an episode that was used to get us into war. If an accident happens over there, and it's blamed - let's say Osama Bin Laden stages something and he blames it on Iran. This will be an excuse to for us to expand the war in Iran. So, I think this is very very dangerous because a lot of people, even, you know, in the Republican Party are quite willing to use a nuclear first strike on Iran. So, I think this is a very very dangerous situation that we're in. So, no I don't think President Bush is planning this. But, I think 9/11 was certainly used as a reason to go into Iraq. And, Iraq did not have weapons. They had nothing to do with 9/11. So they use events. They don't stage events, but they use it to do the things they had already planned. And, the Iraqi war has been planned for a long time." -- Ron Paul
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Obviously, You're Not Up To Date On A Candidate. . .
you claim to support. Ron Paul has said lately that the Gulf of Tonkin incident was "contrived." Those "conspiracy theorists" apparently have got to him, eh?
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LOL
What does any of this have to do with 9/11 if Dr. Paul has explicitly said over and over that 9/11 was blowback?
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You're The One Who Brought It Up
Ron Paul also said he doesn't know, and that's why he's called for a new investigation. Why are you so worried about the various reasons those dastardly "truthers" want one as well?
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I'm not.
I'm just pointing out why Dr. Paul wants an investigation. I'm saying not to try to make it look like he's saying he supports an investigation looking for a conspiracy. That's not the objective of the investigation that he says he supports. It's two difference conceptions of an investigation. Dr. Paul is not a Truther.
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A large number of the people
A large number of the people who get in these arguments about 9-11, taking the anti-truther view, are Barrites. I would say it's a significant percentage on this board.
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If that's true,
that would be comforting. It would be nice to know that Barr is not attracting whackos. What attracted whackos to Paul was Alex Jones. Alex Jones hasn't pushed Barr, thank God.
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You have effectively pushed me away from Bob Barr
Thanks! Bob is waiting with a nice tall glass of purple kool-aid for you!
If you're a Truther
that's great. That's good for Barr.
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What I am saying is that in
What I am saying is that in my opinion, you folks are uptight about anti-government "wackos" because your purported "Libertarian" candidates are pro-government individuals who participated in the War on Terror (or were cheerleaders in favor of it, like Wayne Root).
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HAHA
Wow, you are out there.
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Nope. I'm a Libertarian.
Nope. I'm a Libertarian. Libertarians question the government, instead of licking its boots.
You'll learn that, if you ever become one.
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Questioning the government
and asserting "9/11 was an inside job" are not the same thing. I question the government too, of course.
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The Only Wacko Here Is You
As someone who spends so much time on a website whose campaign you clear don't respect, and a candidate who you obviously don't support.
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Oh he supports Ron Paul--as
Oh he supports Ron Paul--as a springboard for his fantasies of getting Bob Barr in the debates.
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How can you say I'm not supporting Paul
if I'm arguing his position? His position is that 9/11 was blowback from terrorists who were upset about our military base in Saudi Arabia and other Middel East intervention. That's disagreeing with the Truthers. Disagreeing with the Truthers is supporting Ron Paul's position.
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His Position Is He Wants A New Investigation
Why do you pretend it isn't? Ye gods, man, you are fixated!
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When did I pretend
that he doesn't want an investigation?
All I said is that he said he wants an investigation to find who dropped the ball in figure out that the terrorists were coming, not an investigation looking for a government conspiracy to kill thousands of innocent Americans. This is the same thing he answers when he's asked if he supports an investigation. He makes it clear that he's not talking about looking for a conspiracy.
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