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McCain or Obama, IF its Close, I am voting Obama, and the Reason is? ..

Jesse Ventura.

With Obama as president, then we ....WE IN THE REVOLUTION, will have the next 4 years to work the Names of Jesse Venture and Gary Johnson in all the Republican circles in these 3 states:

Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina.

Where do we "work the names"?

Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina.

3 States. 2 names. Ventura/Johnson 2012.

Indeed, we should start mass producing T-Shirts, Bumber Stickers, and signs NOW. We should make it a full campaign NOW, despite who wins Obama or McCain. It will just be an easer mountain to climb if we don't have to fight the President McCain crowd.

The Republicans will be unhappy with President Obama, and they will look to someone who can beat Obama. They may look to Mittens and Huckleberry to put up in 2012. But if we WORK Jesse Ventura and Gov Gary Johnson for the next 4 years in just those 3 earlie primary states, then early polling will have them in the lead and media attention will follow.

If I have learned one thing about getting FREE MEDIA ATTENTION, that is to get EARLY Polling results on yourside. The lesson of Rudy the "famous New York Mayor", is that he polled very well nationally .... but poorly in those 3 key states.

The R3VOLution has two winners, Jesse Ventura and Gov Gary Johnson.

I think Jesse Ventura will will galvanize all those Republicans who are fed up with Obama and the Democrats. He has the presence and charisma to do it. Gov. Gary Johnson has the even more Ron Paul-like record of consistancy and is excellent at the podium.

So, if its a CLOSE election between Obama and McCain, I want the Republicans to LOOSE. Think about it, if McCain wins, we will be fighting our own party AGAIN. Its much better if these fair-weather friends loose, then they will be desperate for a Winner and a new messege, our message, once they see that the Bush/McCain Big Governmentism Republicanism is and was a total Failure.

So my fellow Patriots, if just a million or half a million votes go Obama's way and not McCain's, it will be a good thing for the R3VOLution and Jesse Ventura and Gov Gary Johnson.

Now to all those who are screaming at their computer screens right now..... Dr Paul in the video on the front page today said, (again) that there really is NO difference fundamentally with the two parties, one is not "better" than the other REALLY. Meaning, you get big Government either way, its a game of "picking your poison".

Now to bedr and all those Bob Barr pushers.... We in the R3VOLution have been there, we built the Libertarian and Constitutional Parties from the Ground up, we hammered out our philosophies there, we chisled in stone our political principles there, (THE RIGHT TO LIFE, LIBERTY, & PROPERTY, the NonInitiation of Force Axiom, Prices as Information in a Complex feedback loop called the Free market, and on and on) and we used these parties as "political incubators" if you will, but we know one thing... they are not the car, not the vehicle to get us there.

Growing inside BOTH of the "TWO PARTY SYSTEM" is the only proven way..... (See the success of the Jacksonian Democrats and/or NeoCons to see what I mean).

For the R3VOLution to "work", we MUST be inside both Parties. Denis Kuccinich and Mike Gravel are "beachheads" within the democratic party that needs to be nurished. When Obama backstabed his civil libertarian liberal free speech supporters by signing the FISA bill --- for NO political gain--- their shock and realization of what Obama is and will be, became quite clear to them.

Those pesky NeoCons, they are on both sides of the isle. Warhawk Madiline Halfbright -- a liberal democrat-- was no Anti-war peace activist. Obama's VP pick, Joe Biden, the big War Hawk and pro Invade Iraq is also a liberal democrat. NeoCons have Think Tanks in both the Liberal and Conservative Camps.

How is it that such a small group of extremely intellectual and philosophical thinkers could come to weld such powerful influence? Well one way is to be nicely situated INSIDE both parties.

We must become so situated too.

By reaching out to the anti-war left, we do NOT have to agree on anything but a DEFEND THIS COUNTRY ONLY policy. Much of the lefts issues are not our issues. But we should and must LINK up on this ONE very important issue.

We must "Break Bread" with all those who want to shrink the size and power of Government in our lives. To the Liberal this is tough thing to accept. We need to be sensitive to that and why it is so. Its tough for a liberal to accept the shrinking of the power and size of government because they romanticize government as being or Potentionally Being, "a force for social good". This does not mean they are blind to when it is not a force for social good, it does mean that its HARD to want to shrink something down, especially when you FEEL you will need it more, later.

Listen to liberal talk radio. They do see government as a "Force for Good"....comma, "that Bush and the Republicans perverted". They feel, "if someone would just use government the right way then things would be alright". So for them, its just about correcting this perversion and getting a better driver.

Keep this in mind when talking with them.

But the people we SHOULD be talking too are the Republicans and Independants in IOWA, NEW HAMPSHIRE, and SOUTH CAROLINA.

To reach these people, we just need to HELP them in their attacks on big government liberals and Obama. And we help them with things that Jesse Ventura says and does during the next 4 years.

We are out to win this party from the inside. If we do it right, they will gladly accept us in their battle against President Obama. They will use our arguments, our ideas, and our policy attacks. Moreover, they will come to LOVE Jesse Ventura and Governor Gary Johnson.

The rest of the country can all fall in line after we take those 3 primaries.

Long live the R3VOLution !!

Long Live the R3VOLution 2012!!!

In Peace & Liberty,
Treg

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"If you're not a Democrat at 20...

... you have no heart. If you're not a Republican at 30 you have no brain. If you're not a Libertarian at 40 you have no soul." - James R.

Ventura and Johnson, if they run, will not run as Republicans. They will have by then, evolved into full-fledged libertarians.

Two Words

Electronic Voting.

You have no choice; you're voting for the winner, or the loser, whichever you have been randomly selected to.

Because if McCain wins...

everyone will just say "see he's just like Bush." But if O wins they *might* be shocked out of their stupor.

re: Ventua/Johnson. Gary Johnson was inspiring at the Rally but Jesse is just too radical- I love him but he's too radical.

The Republican Party

Will not get a clear message of your disaproval if you are one of the multitude voting for Obama.

Voting third party or writing in a candidate however, will paint a clear picture of support they were unable to win over that could of been theirs had they nominated a candidate worthy of our support.

It will let them know they can't win without us.

It will make them pay more attention to a candidate we do support in 12'.

Voting for Obama will only tell them we liked Obama.

EXACTLY

They need to hear the message loud and clear. Voting for Obama will do nothing to get us to that end.

I must admit that I do like Palin. Too bad she is not at the top of the ticket. Oh well, I can't vote for McCain under ANY circumstances... well maybe one, if he becomes terminally ill it would be tempting w/ Palin now on the ticket. I know that sounds terrible, but it's the way I feel.

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help'." -- Ronald Reagan

With all due respect to your point...

I feel my vote for Bob Barr will be more practical because the more votes libertarians get in local,state and national elections, the easier it becoms to obtain ballot access without having to collect millions of signatures.

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A small body of determined spirits fired by an unquenchable faith in their mission can alter the course of history.
~Mahatma Gandhi

Do what you have to do

But I will not vote for the lesser of two evils ever again. I have had it with "no win scenarios". Sometimes poeple have to do the right thing and not over-think it.
As for Jesse Ventura, not everyone thinks he is the ideal candidate. This man has publicly stated, repeatedly, that religious people are all wackos. I don't think we need another heathen to lead this country straight to hell.

And Ventura also believes we should just open our borders and keep paying the way for all the illegals. I agree with a lot of his positions, but I will not compromise on God or America First.

If Dr. Paul can't run again in 2012, then we need to be looking for a satisfactory replacement - I say his son Rand should be drafted.

Wait Wait...

I just have to ask. Who was the first heathen? And don't the religious people call us ( the atheists ) wackos? Personally, I'd be cool with a President who didn't have some god whispering things to him.

Third party makes more

sense...

That would be vote against the establishment. Four yrs of Obomba will be the end of U.S. - he is obviously more global and will bring NWO sooner...

We should

We should all be putting our votes into the third party, concentrating them would be even better, but just getting them in the third party will be a good statement that the candidates suck. It will still serve up a loss for McCain.

"It is the responsibility of the patriot to protect his country from its government."

— Thomas Paine

Plan B

A vote for Obama or McCain will only show that they have support by the people. It is better to write in a vote or vote for a third party.
Plan B is to vote for Ron Paul as speaker of the house which would put him third in line for the presidency...
grant

For Ron Paul to become Speaker of the House

Step 1) The Republicans would have to retake control of the House from the Dems, which isnt going to happen this year.
Step 2) He would have to be nominated and win a vote by his peers in congress for the position, which unfortunately just isnt going to happen.

nobama vote

That would be lame. Third party is ripe. 4years to prep. WE need change,: in the RNC
think
says

*Covers my ears*

I can not believe this crap. I can not believe you faught for freedom and liberty and you think of voting for the McIdiot or the Obamanation.

Dont preach if you cant live up to it.

Freedom is another way to God...A corrupt government is a straight way to hell.

I vote to put you into a FEMA camp

Along with everyone else who plans on waiting until 2012 and sucking down Obama in the mean time.

Yes and im sure you want to get guns out

and go goverment killing.

This isn't a violent movement. If you wan't your anarchist movement; like the one that got our friends sprayed and attacked in St Paul go somewhere else.

Violent Revolt and Protest ideals will not be tolerated here.

define "anarchy"...

Something to do with lawlessness. The true anarchists are in this administration. Many people are starting to realise that the polite middle class gestures of "please dont" arent working in bringing about change. The CFL is all about getting Constitution minded officials elected to affect change within the government. Violence is rarely the answer- especially if its misdirected at some working stiff just doing his job. Civil disobedience has its place though. No one wants anarchy- they simply want the constitution restored- you cant blame them for being willing to do anything to accomplish that. What can we do WITHIN the Constitution to restore it to its rightful place? That is the question isnt it? Find that out and you have your answer.
Live Free or Diebold

"Violent Revolt and Protest ideals will not be tolerated here."

You've only been "here" four days -- we actually tolerate quite a bit.

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Got 'im before I did...

My knee-jerk "who the hell are you to tell me what's tolerated here" response has fortunately been preceded by nicer replies, though I must defend violence when all peaceful measures have been exhausted. What was the original American Revolution if not a "violent revolt and protest ideal?" War and violent confrontation is something that everyone in their right mind should fear and avoid at all costs, but if it finally and irrevocably comes down to it, its them, or it's you and yours. I am of the humble opinion: fuck them.

DO

NOT

TREAD

ON

ME.

For liberty!! *gong*

LOL!

Hobbes, you summed it up nicely.

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Are you even from the United States?

I can't even understand half of your posts.

If these are the two possibilities

and Ron Paul is obviously not going to win, then I will write in John Holmes because if I'm gonna be forced to take it in the keister, I want to at least feel some love that's deep enough, that it might reach far enough to at least tickle my fancy.

ha-ha

Be sure to keep your zipper at half-staff out of respect for the dead.

I have attached a Golden Fema Ticket for those of you who vote for McCain.
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Oh peg, you little minx.

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Lisa C.

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It's Not The End of the World...Yet ; )~

http://www.youtube.com/wa...

I have attached a Golden Fema Ticket for those of you who vote for McCain.
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Peg -- meet me in the chat room real quick.

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lol

lol

we still have our conscience

Ill be voting mine.

Live Free or Diebold

Write in Ron Paul

Stand up for the rEVOLution!!

"Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. – Liberty is the only object which benefits all alike, and provokes no sincere opposition" – Lord Acton

I'm voting for Obama.

I agree with him actually on a lot of things. And I love his health plan. And compared to McCain he's a saint. But im not in a swing state so my vote really won't count.

You Love

Socialized Health Care? I'd love it if everyone would take responsibility for their own medical care - and quit forcing others to pay their way in life.

Obama's plan isn't socialized healthcare

but I do love socialized healthcare.

Feel free to talk about violent revolt then. Hopefully you get arrested before you have your unabomber minute.

I suppose we're fair game now to be prostheletised to

by the Obama camp. Thank you for waiting until after the convention.

Live Free or Diebold

and just HOW will you know its close?

the MSM polls?

Live Free or Diebold

I just read your title and

I just read your title and thats all Im reading, have you ever even read his "Handbook for change"? It is the worst thing I could ever see in a president.

Yea, it was total sophmoric bunk.

His HAND BOOK FOR CHANGE was "serious", and sadly many ate it up, or should I say they told me, "Well I have not read it all but...."

Come on Obama people! It is not even 100 pages!

The Real Question for me is HOW CLOSE will be the McCain VS Obama race?

If it looks like it Obama, then I am voting Barr. If it looks like its McCain, then I am voting Barr.

But if it looks like its a very close race, like Bush vs Gore in 2000,

I think we in the Revolution should vote for Obama. This will mean that more Republicans will be ready to back Jesse Ventura come 2012.

Treg

"But if it looks like its a very close race, like Bush vs Gore "

and it WILL- then the same electronic machines (that were NEVER adressed) will rig the election to continue the same policies with McCain- whats to stop them?

Live Free or Diebold