Sheriff gets APC with 50 cal machine gun...

if the sheriff has an opinion on the constitutionality of a central bank.

What they have can be pried from their hands. They are human too

against such weaponry, have been stripped. The right of even the most law abiding citizen to legally own or make any sort of explosive has been completely outlawed - only the controlling government trusts itself to have such power.

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." - Thomas Jefferson, author of the United States Declaration of Independence (1776), third President of the United States.

Ron Paul's Convention Speech

..just take it when they're in getting donuts.

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

...where does it fuel up?

bit of hydrochoric in the barrel, bit of sugar in the tank.

oh, let the medicine go down.

Let's mow down civilians like it's going out of style. Spray and pray baby! Bad boys... bad boys... whatcha gonna do? Watcha gonna do when they come for you?

I guess they are going to a war.
"Observe the masses,and do the opposite."

Whilst you guys 'er boastin' about your great knowledge concerning this weaponry.

Anyway, WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY DOIN' WITH THIS THING!

Why, the extravagance?

dandy

Do not engage the target. Instead setup a recon to figure out where they park that thing and when it is park take it out. If sheriff small is terrorizing the local hood with this thing do not take it head on. Take it out while its asleep. What are you morons? One APC in a town. ONE! Sabatoge the thing over a direct confrontation not only saves lives but free's up anyone not caught from engagement to do other things. Shaka you so crazy.

Who said " war is a wonderful idea to those who have never experience it"
Any way on that note why note run for the office that controls the sheriff. Then you can control the APC.

Even in the old west... sheriffs realized the best tool for combating crime was using their very own head.

Getting to know the community, intigrating the peace officers into the community is the best way to police the community.

That's why for hundreds of years the British police never carried firearms... they wanted to be approachable... and for hundreds of years crime was low in England... now that the English have adopted police tactics similar to the American bully tactics...crime is soaring...

Mike
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The M113 went into production in 1960 with a gasoline engine. This was disastrous. The gas tank was on the bottom with almost no armor and just about any explosive down there would set the vehicle on fire. In 1964 they came out with a diesel engine (six cylinder, water-cooled, 212 bhp @ 2800rpm), which was a big improvement. The M113 can be holed with a 12.7 mm (.50 BMG), which is a pea-shooter on a modern battlefield, though somewhat rare in 1964 Vietnam. Expedient ANFO box bombs will flip the vehicle over.

The M113 has a crew of two (commander/gunner and driver) and can carry eleven soldiers. Its only weapon is the Ma Deuce (12.7 mm MG) mounted on top. It carries 2000 rounds of ammunition. In an urban environment where shots can come from any direction, the gunner has almost no protection from snipers. There is a rectangular hatch behind him and the gun itself provides some protection from the front. But, realistically, that’s the vehicle commander and, if he has any sense, he’s going to focus on getting his eleven passengers to their destination rather than on actually shooting anybody himself.

Quite frankly, putting a Ma Deuce on top of an M113 is a bit like putting lipstick on a gorilla. The ammunition is bulky (2000 rounds isn’t much) for use against people and it is ineffective for use against anything but civilian vehicles. No modern military except Norway uses the M113 as a fighting vehicle and the Norwegians don’t arm them with 12.7 mm MGs. Their NM135 has a small turret with a 20mm cannon and a 7.62 mm MG. Their NM142 has two TOW missiles. FYI: Wire-guided missiles like the TOW are ineffective against motorcycles because they are not impact-detonated. They fly over the top of the target and a magnet signals a shaped charge to detonate downwards, but there is not enough iron in a motorcycle to trip the magnet.

The M113 is widely used in support roles where it is not expected to come in direct contact with the enemy. There are many variants: the M106 has a 107mm mortar, the M125 has an 81mm mortar, the M163 has a 20mm Vulcan air defense system, the M548 is a cargo carrier, the M577 is a command post with a higher roof, etc. By 1999 there were over 76,000 M113s and its variants in service and they continue to be built (mostly in Italy) and maintained today. Most are in banana republics, though a few can be found in American sheriff’s departments, where they are used for propaganda purposes. The M113 can be fitted with a dozer blade and used for ramming houses – it is not powerful enough to actually level a house, but a couple of bumps is often enough to convince the residents that it is time to call it quits.

Flat-top, turret-less vehicles were originally designed during WWI for trench warfare. They carried a wooden bridge on top and, when they encountered a trench, the soldiers dismounted, bodily threw their bridge over the trench, drove their vehicle across, tossed the bridge back on top, re-mounted and continued on their merry way. In actual practice, you could probably count on one hand the number of trenches that were breached in this manner. More trenches were breached by the simple expedient of driving into it so one’s comrades could drive over the top of one’s vehicle – also, on could push disabled vehicles into the trench and drive over them.

In my opinion, WWI was the last time that armored personnel carriers were really a good idea. If they had had reliable engines that were powerful enough to consistently propel the vehicles through mud, breaching trenches would have worked. In those days, all soldier’s rifles as well as heavy machine guns like the Maxim were .30-caliber, which could not penetrate steel armor, though they sometimes drove a bolt into the interior of a vehicle. Large, single-shot rifles like the .55 Boys were developed but, with more powerful engines, it was soon possible to carry enough armor to stop any weapon of the time that was capable of engaging a moving vehicle. If the M113 had been available during WWI, it would have turned the tide, even without its Ma Deuce.

But modern battlefields have been littered with the wreckages of APCs. Really, they’re deathtraps. Even if, as civilians, you do not have the means to destroy the vehicles, motorcycle-mounted snipers can run circles around them. If you encounter an M113, just shoot the commander when he sticks his head out of the hatch. The real danger is not the Ma Deuce but the eleven guys inside; so fire from far enough away that you are out of range of the SAW that they will have when they dismount. But beware: The M106 with its 107mm mortar or the M125 with its 81mm mortar are quite dangerous in urban combat. Escaping from shelling is one reason why I recommend motorcycles.

In conclusion, don’t panic because your local sheriff has an M113 with a Ma Deuce on top. When he acquires the variant with a mortar tube, then it’s time to think about panicking.

it is now obsolete. If you don't think they read your web site your stupid. Any idea that would work against an army this advanced would never be written down on the internet. Well eccept by someone who never intends to use it and if you did intend to use it well its been nice knowing you I give you about 10 sec and that being generous. walk away from this topic people this is a waist of your time.

Wow...

Well all I can say is at least it's only a M113...damn things aren't really an APC armor is only 1/2" thick. You can get through it with a 30 cal with the right ammo, and a 50 call will shoot right through it.

Now the fact that he has a M2 is completely ridiculous. And more frightening is that they are seemingly so proud of it in that picture.

I agree with the post below, the M2 is an area weapon, aim at the base of the target and walk it up...I can't think of a single legitamate use for police to have such a weapon. APC you could justify because it is a protective vehicle for say hostage rescue etc.

Negligent discharges...yeah, there is no safety on a Flex M2, only on the M2's for the Abrams tank. 50 cal's have been known to discharge rather easily whenriding under rough terrain. This is why gunners routinely put a spent casing under the butterfly.

All I can say is that if you see that apc with someone on the gun...run rapidly in the other direction, as the guy is just as likely to shoot you as his target, lol.

"Richland County SC Sheriff's Dept. APC has been reported stolen..."

Wouldn't that be a kick in the ass?? Hahaha!

Welcome to hell, Richland County! Wait till this guy starts 'saving lives' with his Ma Duece!

See how fast you can vote this stiff prick out of office.

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

Yeah great tackic pal until the satilite feed is fed to the F16 and they blow your moterbike up. You think the military would go into a civil war and fight you hand to hand. OMG dude I wish a civil war vet could come out of the grave and explain to you how fair or military will be. They do not bring equal power to bar in war. They breing overwhelming power to bar. That is if they want to win. If they want the body count to go up the'll give each man 4 clips and say ok go win the war. This guys gun would be what they use to drive around and finish off the wounded with. Some of you better wake up. You might say that would be over kill. duh! These guys have a great time when there out there having fun. I mean go in the other room and watch your kid play his video game I'll bet you when he makes his sellection of gun its one that when you shoot the monster his limbs fall off and the head blows up and the gust go flying everywhere. Now tell him to put it on one of the small cal single shot weapons see how long it takes him to get bored and want to go outside and play with his friends.

A small group of motorcycle-mounted snipers who have trained with my Sniper Flash Cards could circle around it from 300 to 500 yards away, quickly dismount, shoot at the gunner, re-mount and scram.

With a dozen bikers employing this tactic, I can guarantee that any brownshirt who sticks his head out of the turret for more than five seconds is going to get a haircut.

For a discussion of tactics, read www.sniperflashcards.com/...

For a short story about sniping, read www.sniperflashcards.com/...

that all wal-marts sold out of ammo in one of those eastern states? maybe that is what he fears?

is once we have all elected enough C4L people to have majority's on city councils and elected a Sheriff that is completely aware and aligned completely with the constitution,fully vetted or known by past performance.
We should then have massive fundraisers,carwashes ect to buy as many of these suckers as we can.I thin think the feds will think twice about coming to your town to arrest some harmless medical marijuana user if the local sheriff has 4 or 5 of these at his disposal.

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Gee, what's the problem? Doesn't every cop need a armored vehicle with twin .50's to ensure their personal safety? I mean, golly ... they might have to go into a bad neighborhood to buy their donuts & coffee ... or pull over some crazed soccer mom in her minivan ... or ... >GASP!< impress some cop groupie with their giant gun ...

I think the sheriff has little man syndrome, if you know what I mean.

A sheriffs department with an M113A2 APC and a Ma-Deuce. I'm nervous, jealous and highly pissed off all at the same time.

What the HELL does a sheriff need an APC and anti-material weaponry for?
This sucks.

Tip: for those who might encounter this thing, or one like it, the tracks, behind the second wheel, are a vulnerability if you need to 'negotiate' with it. It's lightly armored, fairly fast, and amphibious with a full compliment of 11 troops plus a driver.

Enough is enough.