Nothing will Ever Change if We Don't Fight the BANKERS

~peace

"The real menace of our republic is this invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over city, state and nation. Like the octopus of real life, it operates under cover of a self-created screen. It seizes in its long and power(ful) tentacles our executive officers, our legislative bodies, our schools, our courts, our newspapers, and every agency created for the public protection."... At the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller-Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as the international bankers [who] virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes."

Mayor John Hylan, New York Times, 1922

Yeah, I like the "retake the grove" idea or something similar.

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this is my reply to e goldstein below about the bohemian chainsaw massacre,and him wanting a piece of the owl. i placed it here for visibility.
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you know, that actually sounds ok

bohemian chainsaw massacre! [what a picture] they are so few actually, these global elite. we have the impression that they are unreachable, just like when the old egyptian people were deceived to believe their rulers are gods. when they started no to believe, the whole control apparatus came down.

if people come in droves to the grove, more people than the guards, you guys could take them! it isnt about tresspassing into private property anymore, it is about confronting your elite head-on.

how will they stop you? mass arrests? martial law? pepper you all with bullets? NO THEY CANNOT STOP YOU ALL FROM ENTERING THE GROVE! GO! GO! GO!

take that fucking owl down! let them know that they do not need to sacrifice an effigy of a baby to rid them of their cares for the world--LET THEM KNOW THE WORLD DOES NOT CARE ABOUT THEM! AND THE WORLD IS BETTER OFF WITHOUT THEM!

i like your idea--people power converging into the grove, reclaim that place of infamy. people power is mass protest with no violence. not a vigil outside the grove, but a marching into the grove peacefully. the elite cannot do anything about this if you have sufficient numbers. it is also not mob rule, as the old manipulated corporate media would try to brainwash you into categorizing such action.

this is a symbolic retaking of the world. a message to the fearful spoiled-brat wimps of the "all-male" power tripping club of the world :D

For those of us recently retired with most our our money tied up in IRAs, would someone please comment on 1) self-directed IRAs into property or some other kind of investment and 2) Are there any good suggestions where to set one of these up? Thank you so much for any help.

and work your way up. Did you know that Jeff Immelt, CEO of GE, which also part owner of NBC and MSNBC is a director of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York?

I tried to get a viral email group organized months ago. All I needed was 1,000 Ron Paul supporters. I received less than 10 responses from people at DAILY PAUL and fewer than five followed up with me. We can grouse all we want, but effective action takes at least loose cooperation.

Until we take off the head of the monster, we will be fighting little battles forever and getting nowhere. Even if we did get Ron Paul elected, the bankers could have destroyed the economy before he could have said executive order. Remember what happened to Andrew Jackson? It would be far worse now that the International Bankers have a full stranglehold on almost every country.

of the banks. Katherine Austin Fitts has just what we need to stop the banks.

check it out Solari.com

We should get some people to draft an amendment for the Constitution that would place a ban on ALL central banks to operate in our country.

Our freedom movement could rally behind that piece of legislation which would hopefully scare the living crap out of the bankers and hopefully be implemented when enough liberty minded people get elected into office.

These bankers should know that their time is running up.

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The Rothschilds backed BOTH sides and then used Nepoleon's defeat to take over the Bank of England

for more on the history of Money & Debt watch

"The Money Masters"
http://www.themoneymasters.com

"Great men do not seek power, they have great power thrust upon them" - Klingon proverb
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. . . is to cut off the money supply to their cronies in DC. This will also put a stop to our out of control government and get it back on the right track. Read the following for more info:

http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/Update/Update2008-07-27...

http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/Update/Update2008-08-22...

There are some reputable online alternatives to banks. This is an online community where people come together for lending and borrowing money. Someone here posted link recently, don't remember who but thanks! Anyone interested, email me BeaReady1 at gmail.com and I'll send you an invite.

learning about the FED, video Money, Banking and the Federal Reserve, was trigger point for me in supporting RP. Have always thought this should be a #1 topic.

problem does have a lot of merit.

While RP doesn't like to dictate, the movement could benefit greatly if he would specific exactly what needs to be done.

Saying exactly what needs to be done first and HOW it should be done - would provide clarity and provide momentum to the movement.

I think RP underestimates the power he now has!

http://www.thomasnogales.com/breakabank.htm

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The Federal Reserve is engaged in outright theft from the public. They're holding the Fed Funds rate at 2% which sets the base rate on savings accounts and CDs. Your savings allow the corrupt and incompetent major banks to borrow at 2.25% from the Fed and buy treasury bonds paying 4+% thus earning risk-free profits to liquefy their balance sheets. This free money comes directly from the pockets of taxpayers.
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I believe the biggest banks should be allowed to fail and go bankrupt. Let another group of mid-tier banks step up and take over the money center roles.
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Do your part to help the Wall Street bankers go broke. My approach is simple, very effective and you will make money doing it. Move your money from big banks like Bank of America, Chase, Citi and the other bloated, boardrooms on Wall Street to a non-profit credit union...

"Committed To The Eradication Of Poverty Among Patriots"

"Those Who Strive For Excellence Refuse To Fear Mediocrity; They Eradicate It."

In addition to yelling about the Fed, there are several things that each of us can do:

-Get out of debt...countries were made off slavery...and they are maintained through indentured servitude a.k.a. debt. As some called SUVs "terrorist-powered vehicles", the global usury organization is literally "debt-powered". And since they are an immenient threat to the USA, it is our patriotic duty to get out of debt. That means no more loans, no more credit cards. Once we are out of debt, we build wealth by saving up to invest and we save up to buy cars and houses. There is talk show/capitalist named Dave Ramsey who has the best 'get-out-of-debt' plan I've ever seen. http://www.DaveRamsey.com.

-Pull your accounts OUT of the big Banks (Bank of America, WellsFargo, WaMu, CitiBank, etc.). Instead, use a good local bank or credit union. Again, this will take some wind out of their sails.

-Once you have learned about money, teach your children about money. Nearly all the global usurists consider their lifestyle to be a multi-generational thing. They do their part in maintaining and growing money given to them and make DAMN sure their children learn how to manage money, what they are expected to do, and most importantly why (to run the planet). That way money can build over several generations (De Beers, Rockafeller, Bush, Kennedy, etc). We need to do the same, but in a benevolent way. For example, Ron Paul and Rand Paul. Just think of the head start that Rand Paul has gotten because his father.

As a collective, we need to come up with a 'History of Usury' brochere and hand it out along with the Constitution. The US culture used to consider usury (interest-based loaning) to be immoral...and thus legislated rate caps. Those rate caps are all but gone. The rate cap on credit cards and back taxes today would make a loan shark blush. The American people need to stand up and get those rates reduced.

Well, instead of a brochere, we could point people to some existing videos such as Money Masters. BTW: Islam is the only religion/nation that refuses to tolerate usury practices...coincidence? Not.

You know, Dave Ramsey often says "A paid off mortgage will become a symbol of status"...well, that's only if we can make it socially acceptable...and that goes for Ron Paul too. Wherever I go, the majority of people just don't want to engage in what is deemed controversial. Conservatism is already widely accepted. Talk show hosts attract and keep audiences by supporting the founding principles. We merely need to make the truth more socially acceptable...so people feel it's okay to discuss publically.

How do the bankers profit by supporting wars on both sides?

You're right and that what Team Law is all about.

http://teamlaw.org/

Focus on spreading the message of freedom.

If you exist ... you know what to do.

Achieve your goals.

WAHOR!!
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Pay off your debts. All of it.

for Liberty!

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"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil for every one striking at the root."

strike the root

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"I killed the banks"

hear hear
money is the sinew of war
war is a racket

http://www.trueworldhistory.info/

is a great resource for friends and family. We are truly in an information war.

hunt them, and take their bushy eyebrows for trophies.

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

John F Kennedy