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Jon Nadler proves Precious

Jon Nadler proves Precious Metals manipulation (no really, he does…)

By: C. Loeb

-- Posted 5 September, 2008 | Digg This Article | Discuss This Article - Comments: 0

A recent posting by Ted Butler analyzing the sudden sale of an additional 27,606 COMEX silver contracts by 2 banks as of August 5th has created renewed interest in the possibility that COMEX silver is manipulated. Not surprising, given a $6.00 collapse in silver concomitant with the placing of this short side bet.

Jon Nadler, Senior Analyst for Kitco Bullion recently posted an exhaustive rebuttal of the notion that precious metals market pricing is in anyway manipulated by the actions of large traders. The full text of Mr. Nadler’s thoughts can be found here:

http://www.kitco.com/ind/...

This Kitco posted analysis is a verbatim repeat of a congratulatory email sent to ‘Mish’ Shedlock of Sitka Capital from Nadler, after Shedlock made the remarkable discovery that a futures contract represents a long for every short, and therefore there can be no manipulation, no matter how concentrated a particular futures position may be. Verbatim, that is, except for the deletion of assertions of retail silver abundance Nadler made in the email version that were apparently too ridiculous to be posted twice, even by Nadler. Nadler’s email to Shedlock, with the portions included regarding how much retail silver is available and that was deleted from his Kitco posting can be found here:

(http://globaleconomicanal... )

...Mr. Nadler inadvertently and unknowingly confirms the mechanism by which these markets can be manipulated through the very process he describes as benign.

His analysis attempts to refute all thoughts of manipulation with two arguments. The first is the very model of intellectual sophistication and asserts that if you disagree with him and instead believe that the sale of 165,000,000 ounces of silver (25% of world silver production) on the COMEX by 2 U.S. banks had a depressive effect on the price of silver then you:

a. Are ignorant

b. Are stupid

c. Flunked out of freshman economics

d. Are on drugs

e. Are all of the above

Since I have, at various times, met or been accused of all of the above criteria, I will stipulate that there is a possibility that he may be right on this one. Having said that, and as sophisticated and nuanced an analysis as this represents, I am not sure that this in and of itself disproves silver manipulation, so let’s get on with the second half of his analysis that actually proves the opposite of what he thinks it does.

This second point is that there exist “Banks/Bullion Banks” that are “market makers”, who “passively” buy and sell gold and silver, apparently taking these positions out of a sense of altruistic civic “obligation” in response to other trader’s demands. In his view, the sudden appearance of a short position of 33,000 COMEX silver contracts is simply the result of these civically minded banks hedging on the COMEX an OTC position they purchased from funds “stampeding” out of the silver market. Therefore, he goes on, the appearance of this short position on the COMEX is nothing unusual, not manipulative, and if you disagree please pick from the list above the characteristic that describes you best.

Nadler here intentionally, or out of a lack of knowledge, attributes to commodity traders the function of a market maker in a stock security. In stocks, the underwriting banks of a public offering do make a market in the stock, buying where there are no other buyers, and then selling out of any inventory of the stock to new buyers. However, in commodities, the concept doesn’t apply except in very thinly traded markets. In fact, the CFTC glossary of terms, notes this about market makers in commodities:

Market Maker: In the futures industry, this term is sometimes loosely used to refer to a floor trader or local who, in speculating for his own account, provides a market for commercial users of the market. Occasionally a futures exchange will compensate a person with exchange trading privileges to take on the obligations of a market maker to enhance liquidity in a newly listed or lightly traded futures contract.

In other words, there are no ‘Market Makers’ in gold and silver, except those trading for the speculative benefit of their own accounts, and they are certainly under no obligation to buy a massive amount of anything they don’t think they can make money on. After all, who does Nadler presume imposes this ‘obligation?’ Nadler is simply wrong when he tries to assign a market makers ‘obligation’ to bank trading activity that is purely speculative. This is not “passive” trading, but for profit trading, and as long as there is nothing manipulative or illegal about such activity, more power to them. So now let’s look at the activity Nadler describes, and consider whether it is as benign and passive as he contends.

We’ll assume for a moment that the 33,000 short contracts held by 2 banks were put on as Nadler asserts, and do not represent a government coordinated intervention in the gold and silver market to support the dollar, or a government coordinated bailout of a failing or near defaulting commercial trader, which are both possibilities, if hard to prove. If Nadler is correct, then what happened is that these 2 banks bought 165,000,000 ounces of silver from panicking funds on the OTC, where all such transactions are private, invisible, essentially unregulated and then turned around and sold 165,000,000 ounces on the COMEX, a completely transparent market where any change in price is instantly and electronically communicated to millions of traders worldwide, regularly tripping buy or sell orders in the process. So, you have an invisible purchase, and a visible sale of a massive amount of silver. Based on Shedlock, Nadler and CFTC analysis, this represents a perfectly rational hedge, can’t be manipulative because as we all know, hedging is largely neutral since as Shedlock so insightfully notes, there is a long for every short in the hedge.

However, at this point one begins to wonder if a hedge of this size – 33,000 contracts in silver and 86,000 contracts in gold – that has one leg in a visible market and one leg in an invisible OTC market is quite as benign as Shedlock/Nadler/Szabo/CFTC et al insist it is. We have been told for years that the fact that the COMEX silver market structure sports a larger commercial net short position than any other significant market is of no manipulative import because it represents a hedged position, long someplace else. The someplace else, according to Nadler, is the OTC market. If he is correct on this, then this type of ‘hedge’ is precisely the sort of position needed to manipulate the market while flying below the radar of a somnolent CFTC and some of the more modest intellects in the analytic world. I think the inherent potential for a COMEX/OTC spread for mischief can be demonstrated by considering the following possible sequence of events, which would be perfectly consistent with Nadler’s views on what happened during the latter part of July and the first two weeks of August, the published data, as well as the trading opportunities open to the banks holding the reported positions:

1. Hedge funds begin selling silver and gold on the OTC market, and the 2 banks that show up on the Bank Participation Report begin buying.

2. As the banks buy OTC they sell COMEX, and by August 5th they are long 165,000,000 ounces of silver on the OTC and short 165,000,000 ounces COMEX.

3. The selling on the COMEX of such a massive amount of silver and gold contracts trips stop losses, further depressing the price of silver and gold, ultimately hitting a 40% decline in silver from recent highs.

4. The banks at this point have a large profit on the short COMEX position and a large loss on the OTC long position.

5. The banks now begin covering the short position on the COMEX. Not huge amounts that would cause the price to spike, but enough to have it rise over the next couple of weeks, if not dramatically.

6. Since no one is ‘obligating’ them to do so, they don’t bother to sell any of their large under water OTC long position to match the liquidation of their COMEX short position. After all, with a retail shortage of silver and increasingly gold, long positions would seem to be pretty good bets.

7. Periodically, the banks throw a few large sell orders out to slow or reverse building rallies. The thinly traded overnight markets work well for this because it doesn’t take a lot of volume to have an immediate effect on price. Kind of a 2 steps forward, 1 step back approach.

8. Over the course of a few weeks, the banks cover some percentage of the COMEX short position, making money. Based on price action since mid July and the Bank Participation Report cutoff date, the banks would have a minimum basis for their 27,606 new short COMEX silver position of $17.65 and their 79,000 new short COMEX gold position of $925.00.

9. Now, let’s assume that over the next week or two, the price goes up a bit and more COMEX short covering occurs. At some point, and barring another successful whap down of the price on the COMEX, whatever profitable short covering is possible on the COMEX would have occurred.

So, how much profit might the banks have made on this trade so far? Well, the COT reports from July 15 (peak price) to August 26 give us a clue. During that period, the gross commercial short position in silver was reduced by 20,000 contracts and in gold by 109,000 short contracts. Based on the Bank Participation Report dated August 5th that showed 2 banks holding 25% of total open interest in silver and 3 banks holding 21% of total open interest in gold, I don’t think it unreasonable to assume the banks participated in this short covering proportionally. If so, as of Friday, August 29, the banks would have realized a minimum of $100,000,000 in silver and $228,000,000 in gold, with a lot of daylight still left between the spot price and their short basis, so the fun isn’t over yet.

The banks are in a position, whenever they wish, to spike the PM price upwards by the simple mechanism of buying back additional portions of their remaining COMEX short position with the happy result that after having made money on their short leg, their long leg on the OTC becomes profitable. At some point they stop buying back on the COMEX, but at whatever point they stop, they have made money on a good chunk of the COMEX short, their OTC excess long is also now solidly profitable, and any remaining COMEX/OTC spread isn’t doing them any harm. And the wonderful thing about this money machine is that it is a RENEWABLE RESOURCE! As long as you can rely on the CFTC, Jon Nadler et al to keep telling people it’s all ok and there is a nickel left in the pockets of COMEX silver investors you can KEEP DOING IT! This manipulation does not involve beginning to short silver at $7.00 and hanging on with your teeth through a relentless price increase. It only involves the ability to put on gargantuan COMEX short positions from the safety of the Commercial category of traders without regulatory interference so that you can reap profits in induced sell-offs both on the short and long side of a hedge in 2 different markets – one that sets the price (COMEX) and one that reflects it (OTC). And we owe it all to Jon Nadler to explain to us the mechanics of this clever manipulation.

What a wonderful world.

- C. Loeb

Independent silver investor

-- Posted 5 September, 2008 | Digg This Article | Discuss This Article - Comments: 0

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as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD

good info...

thanks

Come and get 'em

Well, I've noticed that gold and silver coins are now back in stock at the major dealers. So now's the time to buy while they're both cheaper than they've been in a year.

where do you think the short

where do you think the short term prices are going?

i expect ...

a pure technical back to the major support areas that the charts show....(stated at the top of page)

silver down to $12.26 an ounce

@ 2:20 central time and falling...

$12.25-silver

bump

Gold Futures' Dirty Secret (Part II)

http://seekingalpha.com/a...

We ended the first part of this two part series with an unanswered question: Why has physical supply dried up now?

The answer to that question lies in the two vehicles that have made the gold carry trade possible. This is another issue that I’ve alluded to in prior issues of B&B, but I would again like to briefly explain this notion.

Gold Carry Trade

The gold carry trade takes two forms. The first is enacted by the central banks of the world. Essentially the banks use the futures market to pre-sell gold. This is a beautiful deal for the central banks when the price of gold is going down. Here’s why:

The process is almost overly simple. The banks short sell gold on the futures market. The short sales, being as large as they are, put downward pressure on the market. This makes the trade a self-fulfilling profit for the banks. Prior to the expiration of the futures contract, the banks buy back their short positions, but at a lower price, therefore profiting on the trade. Instead of ending there, the banks will then roll over the cash into fresh short positions. This is a process that went on for a very long time, and is only now beginning to come to a close.

The second form of the gold carry trade is undertaken by a few miners. The most pronounced of whom was Barrick Gold Corp. (ABX). Barrick was actually indicted on price manipulation charges. It appeared that Barrick was in bed with the federal government in this case of illegal price fixing.

Anyways, here’s how it worked. Barrick would pre-sell its gold on the futures market, in a process called hedging. This is not an uncommon practice by commodities producers. It simply reduces their risk-reward scenario. The problem with Barrick is that it was selling its gold below market value. Again this puts artificial supply on the market, but this time below fair market value, hence gold experiences downward pressure. You can take it to the bank that if the price wasn’t manipulated to the extent that Barrick would profit, it would receive Federal kick backs that went unnoticed.(read more at link)

fixed prices down this morning

gold fix @ $796.25

silver fix @ $12.72

U.S. Must Buy Assets to Prevent `Tsunami,' Gross Says

can anyone please explain how the US government can legally buy assets???

http://www.bloomberg.com/...

I am glad someone else noticed this article too.

Is this really as crazy and it seems?

yep...

what do you think about it?

Good Article Hope He is Right

Stop the Manipulation

bullshit paper prices

Yeah, and the price of wooly mammoth meat is going for $25.00/lb if you can find it.

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

John F Kennedy

fixed price will lag...

it will follow...watch the futures.

I'm surprised "RonBarr"

I'm surprised "RonBarr" isn't here, attacking the very mention of gold and silver, as owning them is a strike against the inflation-producing, corrupt and enslaving financial establishment. I can bet he is just itching to do so, though.

Don't Worry

Chris Cross is here to hold up the FedGov''s paper dollars.

where should you put your excess income and why?

assuming all debts paid.

stash your cash...

in your home safe until good opportunities present themselves...unless of course you know about shorting and puts. we will be shooting fish in a barrel...

Its great

It's like having a personnel bank. Screw the banks I hold my own cash.

yes...if you don't have one...BUY A SAFE...

first buy a fireproof safe for your home.

15

central banks in europe are selling gold right now.. so it might drop more..

m72mc...do you have a link to that information?

would appreciate it.

here

http://hd.se/ekonomi/2008...

it´s Swedish...

if you can´t read that... a summary is :

Swedish FED sells 15 tons of gold in the next 12 months... to be invested in foreign currencies or papers...

it happens within the agreement that has been made between 15 European central banks..

found the english version of article...thanks

http://www.riksbank.com/t...

Riksbank reallocates gold and foreign exchange reserves
DATE 26/08/2008

The Riksbank intends to sell up to 15 tonnes of the gold reserve during the period 27 September 2008 to 26 September 2009. The sale is in compliance with the Central Bank Gold Agreement (CBGA) which was signed by 15 European central banks and came into force on 27 September 2004. The agreement, which runs for five years, enables the Riksbank to sell up to 60 tonnes of gold during this period. To date the Riksbank has sold a total of 45 tonnes of gold, 15 tonnes during the first year of the agreement and 10 tonnes during the second, third and fourth years. The Riksbank’s gold reserve currently amounts to 142 tonnes of gold.

The proceeds from the sale will be reinvested in the foreign exchange reserves, that is, in securities denominated in foreign currency.

The proportion of gold is being reduced with a view to obtaining a better risk-adjusted return on the Riksbank’s assets, that is, the long term return on the assets is expected to be as high or higher and at the same time more stable. Gold will continue to be an important component of the Riksbank’s assets.

Completed sales of gold will be evident from the weekly reports that are published on a regular basis on the Riksbank’s website: www.riksbank.se.

What does this really mean?

I'd be interested in hearing what this really means? Are the European Central Banks setting up a gold reserve for their currencies to make our Federal Reserve Note look even more worthless?

PyraBang for Liberty

the effect

it will lower gold price and prop up the dollar

a simplistic view.. but anyway..

looks like they are selling their gold to buy us Dollars...

"The proceeds from the sale will be reinvested in the foreign exchange reserves, that is, in securities denominated in foreign currency."

buying us Dollars is my speculation...

propably correct

sad

manipulation

bump...