Why didn't our Founders make central banks illegal by making it a law in our Constitution?
I know they wrote that only gold and silver should be considered legal tender but does anybody know why they didn't make a law against central banks?
Also, could the Constitution be amended to have a law that would make it illegal to have a central bank in our country?
Anybody's input would be great. Thanks.
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Amendment 10 pretty much
Amendment 10 pretty much sums up the answer to your question.
Powers not delegated to the United States are reserved to the States, respectively, or to the people.
You see, the Constitution was written in order to restrain the power of the federal government. In order to do that the founders could not expect to be able to list every conceivable thing that the federal government was not permitted to do. So, the founders instead wrote the Constitution in a way that limited the federal government to only very specific powers. ALL other powers were reserved to the States and the people and that fact was made crystal clear with Amendments 9 & 10.
Basically, if the Constitution does not specifically state that the federal government can do something - then they CANNOT do it.
Where does the Constitution give the federal government the power to have a federal / national central bank? Maybe it's just me, but I fail to see where power for that is authorized by the Constitution. It's illegal simply because it is not specifically authorized.
That can only mean one thing. The power to create a central bank is reserved to the States, respectively. The States had the right to create State banks, depending on their state constitutions, but the federal government did not have the authority to create a national bank.
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They did....
they said that nothing but gold or silver coin could be used in payment of debt. That is in our Constitution, and our Congress, along with everyone else in our government has gone against our Constitution, period. So we must do all that we can to remind them.
George Washington signed into law the first national bank
tragic irony.
They did
Section 10
No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters
of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but
gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder,
ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any
Title of Nobility.
By this definition the Fed is illegal
I agree with you, but for
I agree with you, but for simplicity's sake, an amendment with the word "Central Bank" and "illegal" could never be misinterpreted or misconstrued.
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I understand your point
The Constitution, as written, does seem to outlaw debt-based production of money ("bills of credit"), and it also states that only Gold and Silver are recognized as the legal tender.
So, I believe, in their own minds, it was clear to our founding fathers that there would be no Central Banking scheme. The langauge used did not however refer explicitly to The Bank of England or a similar Central Bank construct.
But the Constitution also says somewhere that The Congress cannot delegate away its own powers to a third-party. By, transfering the control of our greatest resource, our Nation's money, over to a private monopoly and profiteering group, in 1913, The U.S. Congress violated the U.S. Constitution.
I am surprised that there were not efforts made then to have the U.S. Supreme Court declare that The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 was totally unconstitutional.
The Executive branch and The U.S. Congress frequently violate and ignore the U.S. Constitution. The U.S. Patriot Act, for example, is entirely unconstitutional, as well as is the way that we entered into the Korean War, The Vietnam War, The Iraq War, and other global military and paramilitary violence.
George W. Bush, arrogently declared, "The Constitution is just a god damn piece of paper." Yet, besides Congressman Dennis Kucinich, nobody anywhere within Washington or within the U.S. News Media ever speaks about the sheer criminality of everything that this Bush-Cheney administration has done (and continues to do).
So, the problem before us now, is that virtually all of today's Congressmen/women, and all of the U.S. News Media are totally uneducated and blissfully ignorant about the Federal Reserve and how it systematically plunges the Nation into debt (by its very existence), and robs the people of their own money. People just don't know. They think that it is a "benevolent institution", that is protecting our dollar, that we'd be dsyfunctional without it. They think that it is something that always was and always will be. They just don't know. Many won't even care. I didn't know myself, until year 2007 (when I became aware of some online documentaries, and the Ron Paul campaign itself).
So, this is an unprecedentedly tough battle to fight, when they have all the money, the power-of-arrest, all the guns, rubber-bullets, pepper-spray, tear-gas, taser guns, and they also have the Media itself.
Our founding fathers never had to fight against tyranny this great. An entire ocean separated them from the British Empire and sailing ships were the only means of transportation. So we cannot revolt in the same way today (so forget about guns - you'll just be shot down if you try to fight back that way).
We have to understand that we are like modern-day serfs, living under the thumb of a feudalist dark-age Empire all around us. Technology, like the Internet, is the one thing that gives us some hope for mass communications and organization. But the only way we can win this War is by a truly massive massive national and global education campaign (written for beginners), combined with peaceful, non-violent, resistence, and the formation of well-sponsered advocacy groups.
If we do this for 20-years, a tipping-point may someday be reached where public pressure will be brought about to end the FED control and robbery of our money system.
Unfortunately, the Constitution by itself will never save us. Our government, and the ever-circling, unelected, unconstitutional power groups around it (CFR, FedReserve, WTO, IMF, thinks-tanks, AIPAC, CIA, etc.) obsoleted and terminated any true implementation of the U.S. Constitution years ago, and they care little what it says and just do whatever they want today anyway..
Furthermore the U.S. Supreme Court has been refashioned over the years to advocate for executive secrecy, executive privilege, and Coporate privilege.
The people have no legal recourse of petitition here.
Only a massive public education campaign will save us.
Movies like:
1) "America: From Freedom To Fascism"
2) "The Money Masters"
3) "Zeitgeist - The Movie"
are a step in the right direction, but much, much, much more needs to be done.
Supreme Court
The Supreme Court is an interesting thing. The original legal tender laws were ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. Several years later, after some changes in the Supreme Court, that ruling was overturned and legal tender was deemed constitutional--but by a ruling of 5 to 4. I think it extremely scary that we should allow such critical decisions to be made on such a small margin. If there was that much dissent, one really needs to question the validity of the ruling. Also, I would argue, it shows politicking in the Supreme Court since it should not be that controversial--the law is the law and it shouldn't need to be interpreted so differently.
Similarly, if I remember right, at least one of the important scary things done in the early 1900's was upheld barely by a vote of 5 to 4 in the Supreme Court. These two, as well as likely many others, rulings that barely passed have resulted in such enormous economic pain over 150 years.
I wonder if there is any chance of reviewing the constitutionality of these things again? Probably not, and I assume we'd have the same biased political garbage that went on in the earlier rulings, but... it seems strange that a 5 to 4 vote with clearly a lack of clarity on the issue could thus affect generations to come so horribly.
Bump
Plan of action:
1. Massive Education campaign (create public pressure).
2. Formation of advocacy groups (create political pressure).
3. Utilize the Ron Paul fundraising operation.
4. Non-violent protest and resistence.
Amen brother...
Amen brother... Amen.
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Sure It Could
Especially when it's not a question of "honest interpretation" -- the Constitution is routinely violated as I'm sure you realize.
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Yes I clearly realize but it
Yes I clearly realize but it doesn't mean that we shouldn't have our own "Patriot Act" so-to-speak.
The Patriot Act was written years before they implemented it... Our Amendment could be written and promoted years before we implement it.
Ending the Fed should be on top of our list for things to do...
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I know that our current
I know that our current elected officials ignore the Constitution, but I believe if we keep doing what we're doing, we'll have a law-abiding government soon.
So? Nobody answered my question.
Can we amend the Constitution to ban a Central Bank in America? Or an amendment to ban congress from authorizing a Central Bank...
If so, someone should draft it up and our freedom movement should push and promote it!
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Dr. Paul
has proposed such a bill,but no one would address it.He was the crazy one remember the on who wanted to do away with the Fed,the I.R.S.,FEMA,and all the other fat programs.With Dr. Paul still being a Congressman there is still (a somewhat slim hope of pushing something like this accross) but the rest of the Congress and Senate would probably nip it in the bud.Somehow we have to get it accross,redress ,law change,or Revolution.
To even get such an
To even get such an amendment into Convention would be a difficult proposal at this stage.
The point isn't really to
The point isn't really to get such an amendment into convention but to unify all of us around a piece of legislation that clearly explains how and why we want to "end the fed".
Not to mention that others could read the written amendment and understand why we want to end the fed.
The way I see it: The "Patriot" Act was written years before 9/11 and implemented right after the attacks.
Our "Amendment" could be written years before our government gets taken over by liberty-minded people and implemented right after that.
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banking on the CONSTITUTION.
Did you say in the CONSTITUTION?
That piece of paper that fell through the cracks years ago? It wouldn't matter; the way our leaders circumnavigate that dusty DOCUMENT.
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It can and will happen. After attending the Rally for the Republic, I truly believe that we can do it and we will do it!
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Why don't you read the constitution before you ask these
questions that you would have the answer to if you actually read the law.
One thing to know is that the various branches of government only have powers delegated to them by the constitution. Remember that powers not specifically delegated to the congress for instance, they do not have.
It says that only congress can declare war for instance, nowhere does it says that they have been delegated the authority to give that power to the president. If it does not say that they can do it then they can't!
NOT LAWFULLY!
The congress has been charged with setting the value of money and the issuance of money. It also tells the how to do it.
Nowhere does it say that they can delegate away that responsibility to a private central bank called "the federal reserve". So again they can't do it.
But because the people don't educate themselves and rise up when the congress or president violates the constitution they just do what they feel like. Because nothing comes between an American, his football game and beer! THE BEER AND THE GAME TAKES PRESIDENT OVER EVERYTHING DAMN THE COUNTRY! Stupid fans!
I've read the Constitution
I've read the Constitution and I know it sets limits on the Federal Government.
But considering how all Central Banks work in unison with a Federal Government, why couldn't there be an amendment to the Constitution that would ban a central bank?
I haven't gotten a straight answer from anyone yet.
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You did get several straight answers but you apparently do not
comprehend what they are saying.
Consider that the way the central bank(federal reserve) work in unison with a federal government. THEY ARE BREAKING THE LAW!
What does it take...
They did
A central bank can only exist if chartered by the government. The Federal government is one of ONLY enumerated powers. The enumerated powers do not include the power to charter a central bank. Therefore, the chartering of a central bank is unconstitutional.
Constitution restrains the Feds
Right, the Constitution restrains the Feds such that if it is not explicitly listed then it is reserved for the states or the people. Unfortunately, the judges use the "commerce clause" and other areas to expand the reach of the Feds. It's not only the judges - Congress writes laws that are blatantly not authorized by the Constitution (like the Patriot Act).
It's time to strike the commerce clause
The government has abused the commerce clause beyond all recognition. Its purpose is to prevent the states from setting up tariff barriers to interstate trade, not to give the government a pretext to interfere in anything and everything we do.
We should draft an amendment to strike the commerce clause, and replace it with a plainly worded prohibition of interstate trade barriers.
-jcr
Correct
You are correct. But the question was why didn't the Founders take care of this problem. The answer is that they did. They denied the government the power of chartering a central bank. But the mechanisms for enforcing the Constitution were not up to the task. And over time they got weaker. And ultimately they wasted away to nothing. So now the Constitution is close to being a blank slate. But not because the founders didn't try.
weak enforcement
But the mechanisms for enforcing the Constitution were not up to the task. And over time they got weaker.
Agreed. With where we are now, one way to keep the Feds away from us is to use the power of county Sheriffs. This will take education of Sheriffs, and the elected officials of each county directing Sheriffs to tell the Feds to not enter the county without prior written permission.
Or are there other reasonable options of enforcement today?
Montana is starting to wake up to the abilities of the Sheriff:
http://www.goldmoneybill....
HOUSE BILL NO. 284 - Montana
Here's a new Bill recently introduced in Montana's 90 day legislative session. It would require the elected County Sheriff ( who is the highest elected peace and "law enforcement" officer in America) to be notified first & give consent before feds can invade state residents' lives and property, or control a "crime scene".
Jefferson, in particular,
Jefferson, in particular, was well aware of the "central" Bank of England and just how the system operated, therefore he was completely opposed to the idea or the implementation of a centralized banking system in this country. He knew what it would mean and expressed his thoughts on the subject numerous times.
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."
Hamilton's Curse
Hamilton was a big-govt imperialist
http://www.lewrockwell.co...
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The Constitution doesnt
The Constitution doesnt explicitly endorse gold and silver over all other forms of currency.
And Alexander Hamilton, a founding father, created the first central bank of the US.
Actually, when you read the
Actually, when you read the Constitution along with The Debates in the Federal Convention of 1787, you will find that they did indeed endorse gold and silver over all other forms of currency, especially what they called "bills of credit" or fiat money. In fact, the inclusion of the words "bills of credit" was voted down in Convention, as well as the vast majority of Alexander Hamilton's proposals, which the Convention felt were "nationalist", and indeed they were!
But if it wasnt in the
But if it wasnt in the Constitution, it doesnt matter what they debated before hand.
I thought I smelled a
DeFart
Really?
Article I section 10.
"No State shall ... make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts..."
And Alexander Hamilton got exactly what he deserved.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
John F Kennedy
Clearly, you have never read
Clearly, you have never read the Constitution, as they DID implicitly favor gold and silver over every other form of (false) money. Also read the "Federalist Papers" on the subject --- they knew, from recent and bitter experience with the fiat Continental dollar, that paper money was inherently a fraud and nothing but a way to bilk the assets of the public for the benefit of the government and/or the banks.
what's with all the effing trolls today
akak?
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
John F Kennedy
I guess the trolls are now
I guess the trolls are now all free from kissing McCain's wrinkled ass at the convention, and now have the time to attack us with renewed ferver.
I wish they would go back
to licking taint.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
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Pardon me
While I go poke out my mind's eye!