Does RP UNDERESTIMATE the power he now holds?
Does RP underestimate the power he now has? I think he does.
If he would come out with a list of specific actions that his supporters should take, I believe he would be surprised what the troops would accomplish.
I'm not talking about general instructions like fight for liberty and take the country back, I'm talking about specific things like protests at congress and raising money for lawsuits.
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The initial focus should
The initial focus should probably be on the upcoming election. We need to identify all candidates that share our ideals. Then do whatever we can to support these candidates. That action needs to be taken for every level of government, the more supporters we have in office the better.
My guess is that the CFL will begin working on this more publicly very soon.
We're waiting...
Just say the word Dr. Paul.
Pawnstorm
Bump
There was one situation in his life where he became leader in a college club or something, not because he fought for himself but was put there by his colleagues.
I often thought about it in these months. I think that is some kind of a pattern.
That explains why he doesn't fight "more selfishly" but would have been willing to accept the nomination.
I attended the C4L
I attended the C4L Leadership Summit. The C4L website will roll out the new systems approx. Oct. 1st. It looks really good. My notes are still in the car and after a 34 hour drive...then 3 hours sleep...then a county republican central committee meeting...I'm kind of delirious. So I'm not going to go into great detail.
Expect specific tasks for your precinct. Minimum 5 hour commitment every month. And a personal goal of signing up at least one precinct leader every year. The initial goal is 10000 precinct leaders. 20000 the second year, 40k the 3rd and so on. The monthly tasks are not hard...canvassing to get to know your precinct...polling...setting up candidate forums...etc. Anyone of those and more will meet your monthly goal. The organization is goal/accomplishment driven. It is centrally based only that the central organization is giving you a very good set of political grassroots tools. It is very grassroots in the fact that you determine how it is done.
They have set it up with zero magic solutions. It is all based on proven political methods that work and if done in mass will DOMINATE any political system. How? All politics are local. It would be nice of course if each of us ants could single handedly change the world. We cannot...but we can change our precinct. If we all work as an army of ants...and change/engage 10's of thousands of precincts over the next few years and keep increasing our reach...we WILL change this country.
It is hard work with ZERO fame, but this is what makes the difference. The true patriot doesn't care about the fame, but the end result working in concert with 1000's of other ants will move the country and maybe even the world.
The whole thing is beautiful. When you see it...and if we do the work...we will shift the political landscape...slow and steady...like a wave...we will erode/attack the weak base of tyranny. Other campaigns do not have enough money or resources to accomplish this. They do not have the 'free' working patriots that we have, but only paid mercenaries.
The C4L is going to give us the tools to carry out the long and arduous fight...something I believe we can truly devote our Life, Blood, and Honor to.
More info will be forthcoming...by myself or other attendees...but for now...I need sleep.
Long Live the Republic!!!!
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Dr. Paul is the reason Sarah Palin was picked so you darn tootin he is a heavyweight!
I believe you're right.
I believe you're right.
Totally agree
The media won't say it, but Palin was a silent nod to the real conservatives. She might not be everything Ron Paul is, but alot of conservatives liked her before the nomination. Now she's saying a bunch of stuff (warmongering) and doing a bunch of stuff (bowing to AIPAC) that's getting some of the conservatives in the know rankled.
Ron Paul underestimates everything he does and is cautious about where he goes politically-even though some think his ideas are revolutionary. On second thought his ideas are revolutionary as in American Revolutionary and that's why we like him so much.
The Nationwide Precinct Program is the new government. Let's kill them with kindness.
good
point
The point I am trying to make is:
He has so much support now, that if he would only ask for it, his supporters would do most of the heavy lifting for him.
Middle Son
If there was one thing I could change, it would be for him to have been the eldest or youngest of five boys, instead of in the middle. I think it has held him back from taking a leadership position. It is possible to lead without being authoritarian, and if he were the eldest or youngest, he'd know that.
Or maybe I wouldn't change a thing.
Some of us will have to step up.
IMissLiberty
WTF?
Middle children syndrome is BS. Martin Luther King Jr., Bill Gates, J.F.K., Madonna and Princess Diana all middle children.
Much respect to the middle children. In my experience Eldest children tend to be tyrannical losers-George W. Bush
and youngest children tend to be cry baby ogres: Ted Kennedy (whatever happened in Chappaquidick anyway?)
Interesting theory
I wonder where Ventura ranked.
If Dr. Paul...
Give Dr. Paul a break. I mean how much burden can one man bear? Hasn't he done enough for us already? We need to act now.
You take the lead. Others will always follow.
Dr. Paul has done more than his share, more than anyone. Now it is our turn. You have ideas, talk to people, plan an event. Remember, the worst our enemies can do is kill us. And eat us.
We don't need to be told
We don't need to be told what to do. We can think for ourselves.
We need to get our creative juices flowing and get things done without being told what to do.
Centralized power is very dangerous for our movement. For example, I believe that if Ron Paul was really the leader you wish him to be, the establishment would have killed him off by now, but if we keep this movement decentralized, the establishment can't end it.
They can't control it, and that's what we want!
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Delegates Revolt For Freedom !!!
Ventura let us know...
"Our Forefathers wrote The 2nd Amendment, The Right to Bear Arms; It is there so that we the Public, if our government gets out of control - WE have the ability to rise up against it & change it." - J. Ventura
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I think the idea of using an
I think the idea of using an anti-fed money bomb would be a great idea ... and use the funds to launch a national campaign on educating people about what the fed is and why it needs to go ...
maybe similar to the dvds for delegates ..
i think leading the fight against the fed is paramount
I don't think the movement wants to wait 4-8 years!
I think they want to move forward right now.
Here's an example.
From the crowd response at the R4R, a lot of people obviously think "Killing the Fed" should be a high priority. In this situation a more targeted and focused plan of action might have a better chance of getting the job done.
Actions RP could call for are:
1. A money bomb for a class action lawsuit declaring it to be unconstitutional
2. Regular protest at the various locations
3. A CFL DVD on the FED to be used to raise awareness, anger and support.
The point is - many people coordinated on a well defined initiative and problem would probably have a better chance of succeeding than a general strategy of promoting liberty!
Litigating it won't help.
The way to abolish the fed is to destroy it the same way it was created: by passing legislation. The Supreme Court isn't about to bite the hand that feeds it, and sound money is an issue where they've shown on several occasions that they can't be bothered to uphold the rule of law.
-jcr
First, I think he doesn't underestimate US,
our grassroots inventiveness and power.
Second, he is heroic in courage and energy, but he's way older than most of us. He's been under unbelievable stress for the past year and most recently during his wife's illness.
He deserves a bit of time to recover while we carry on with the programs he's already detailed. Now it's time for us to generate ideas to work on together and plans as individuals to grow and use our unique talents and resources.
All the disparate posts shouldn't be seen as a sign of weakness. The Daily Paul has long functioned as a gathering place for freedom seekers learning and sharing and finding our way. We'll help each other grow into the force for change we all want.
Retirement
Something he said during the speech hinted at it. I know, it's hard to believe with the fire in his eyes and the passion in his heart. I mean McCain is a walking corpse. Dr. Paul is alive and well. I think we may see him retire from politics within a couple years, hopefully after his baby, C4L is all growed up!
I agree but the question is
does he underestimate what his supporters would do, if only he would ask! I think he underestimates what could be done.
Take Action Now
We don't have to wait. First make a donation today for the C4L. I just sent them an email. We need to grow this into a membership organization such as the NRA. Annual memberships with multi-year or life memberships will go along way to ensuring our success.
Some talked about how Jerry Browns We the People foundation died on the vine. We can not let this happen. The Dr. told us we don't have much time. I encouraged them to speak with NRA officials to get endorsements from them and advertising space in their publications. Say what you want to about the NRA but they have millions of DUES paying members. That is critical to us as well.
I even suggested that the NRA should be transformed to the National Rights Association. Why fight for just the 2nd ammendment? The entire Bill of Rights is under attack and we need to infom NRA members of this plight.
So here is an action step that you can take today. Join the NRA for at least one year. Tell them you are from the Ron Paul C4L. If they increase their rolls by 100,000 this month and know that they are from Ron Paul, the establishment will get the message.
This is just one step. You can think of more. Post them here and make your case. I just did.
Here is the link
Sorry for the double post. I forgot to put in the link.
https://membership.nrahq....
He underestimates it big time.
In every movement there has to be a leader. It is the nature of people.
Ron Paul never took charge of his followers which is what he needed to do.
He needed to rile us up with fiery speeches and tell us where and what he needed from us but he and the campaign ignored us.
They should have kept us posted and updated through their website so we would know what was going on. That way we could have followed his cues.
People without a leader will flounder and dissipate. He communication with us could should have fueled our passions but his leadership was sorely lacking.
He's been very clear about the next step for quite some time:
Go out and make your own way with the knowledge you've gained from this campaign. You know, be Ron Paul, as difficult as may be. We'll not work in unison, rather "flood the marketplace" with Paulian ideas. Go forth and multiply!
He is in it for the long haul ...
A mistake now could be fatal.
He chooses to be patient and only act when completely certain.
WAHOR!!
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That is true and I admire that
but he also knows that time is of the essence and referred to this in his R4R speech.
We don't need to be told
We don't need to be told what to do. We can think for ourselves.
We need to get our creative juices flowing and get things done without being told what to do.
Centralized power is very dangerous for our movement. For example, I believe that if Ron Paul was really the leader you wish him to be, the establishment would have killed him off by now, but if we keep this movement decentralized, the establishment can't end it.
They can't control it, and that's what we want!
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Co-ordinate
Sure we can think for ourselves, or we wouldn't be here, but 51 different Electoral victories will add up to the House selecting the next Prez.
For a better ideam see the "Federalist Fusion Alliance" thread.
For all our talk of supporting Dr Paul and being strict Constitutionalists, why don’t we read the Constitution and realize that Dr Paul can be elected President without appearing on a single State ballot?
Why doesn't he start with the following:
http://www.wethepeoplefou...
http://www.wethepeoplefou...
C4L Leadership Summit
laid out pretty clearly a plan of attack based on the precinct program, etc. It's going to be a lot of hard work, no quick fixes. Look for more info. to come down the pike soon. Or, better yet, contact your (former) state coordinator, Deb Hopper or someone else with C4L and state your intent to become involved on a leadership level.
I look forward to the info
I look forward to the info from the summit! We have a representative from our district coming back with the info. However I believe we need to expand the idea of trying to fight what's happening within political parties. Rosa Parks is not remembered for being a "D" or an "R" it is irrelevant. There are people that will work within the parties and I applaud that but we need more for people like me that need to take risks and not play "be a good girl and don't offend so we can go further with our agenda" I did for a year and I cannot do it anymore! I want to take action that's why sign waving and handing out flyers was fun. Any ideas?
I like the freeze thing someone brought up yesterday but it has to be well coordinated and needs a punchline!
As I understand it,
C4L will not operate exclusively as a republican organization, rather promote by various means and across party lines the principles espoused by Dr. Paul and ourselves. It's pretty exciting!
Yes, imo
He's said (in so many words) that he couldn't control us if tried (when Glenn Beck asked him to tone us down once). Also he's reluctant to run this in a top-down fashion. But I think he underestimates how willing most of us are and the kind of effect we could have with a focused plan of attack...
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I agree!!
I agree!!
I believe that we absolutely need,
Ron Paul or somebody to lead us. Tell us what to do. We are fractured without a sense of direction. Look at all the topics posted. Everybody (including me) has a different idea of what we are supposed to be doing right now.
3rd party?
Take over GOP?
Write-in?
Bob Barr?
Chuck Baldwin?
Jesse in 2012?
We are much stronger when we act together as a group for a common cause.
Just my opinion.
Set your sights on a Ventura
Set your sights on a Ventura run in 2012, son.
He may. He's always been a
He may. He's always been a humble, low-profiled man who's worked his way to be where he is. This is one of the greatest qualities I like about him because he is one of those people that makes you feel proud to be an American.
he doesn't make you feel
you choose how you feel!! C'MON people!! jesse is great, and so are every one of you!! quit giving your power away to others and take it upon yourselves to use that power-god given- to make advancements for america and the world. what happens here directly affects the world and the world is watching and hoping and praying that the paulites will come together and take OVA!!!! peacefully of course!! LOL if the rest of the peoples get impatient, there will be a revolt in the form of civil disobedience and i will be there on the front line like i am now peacefully. take back your power and roll on!! YOU all have it in you!! leaders are what each one of us truly are!!
~peace