Can We Face Reality Now?

You are right about everything you've said here. We do have a path to victory, and it does need more quantitatively vs. the qualitative problems other schemes have.

The only thing we still lack is a clear communication of our strategy which we can then sell to others. "Ron Paul for President 2008" is simple and clear. "Campaign for Liberty" is not. Somebody needs to boil down the vision into something bite-sized. Jeff Frazee and the YAL have given us a model in their motto of "winning on principle". We need something short and powerful like that, and then it's off to the races.

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the elections, (it could happen ,maybe) they will destroy the party themselves. you will never see another rebublican president in the whitehouse in your lifetime.but if they do ok ( wishful thinking) then we should continue to squeeze in our positions and our candidate. i doubt ron paul will even run 4 years from now. even he knows that alot of people will think he will be way too old for the job. i love ron paul, but hes not getting any younger.we need a fresh candidate (maybe his son Rand if he would accept) we need to put someone up who will not be afraid to go 3rd party if he or she does not get the nomination. or we could do like the CFR did and put 2 candidates up for election . one republican and one 3rd party. whoever has the best chance of winning, we unite to support him or her and go all out to win. we have 2 years to take over a good chunk of congress. we need to get every candidate we can in every state district in congress and the senate. we need liberty minded people running in every single slot in these positions, whether they are republicans or independents, the right message is all that matters. and they dont have to agree on every single issue, as long as they are close and on the right track. look, we could hold our own mock elections to pick our candidates on you tube if we wanted to. put up a video saying wanted , inteligent liberty minded people who want to run for office to take back our country . please post your video and state your issues, ideas,and goals for your position in office. then start debates let people comment and ask them questions, real questions! then hold an election to decide who we want to put up for these office positions and back them up and campaign for them. who needs the media? we can be the biggest grassroots movement ever to hit the planet. we have the resources right in front of us, lets use them! i think it would be a blast and people of all ages can participate. i dont know, am i dreaming too much?

Great post. Infiltrating the democratic party is also a good bet for all those liberals in the revolution.

... is the key.

Being bold and brash and screamin and yellin won't do it. I believe there is a place for all we have done. I believe that we have part of the puzzle.

For the long run it is important to infiltrate your local politics and work up from their. Work for other campaigns even if you do not not agree with them. Of course, unless we have someone runnin against them. But if we do not have a rep than infiltrate the enemies camp.

This entire movement must understand we are at war and thuslty must apply a warlike mentality. Not in the physical sense. But in the metaphorical and mental sense. Infiltration is a part of that war.

Propaganda is another aspect of war. Engaging potential supporters of the cause should be done in a soft and not hard way. I like to start off by asking people what THE FED is? I show them a bill and ask them is the FED federal? Then I explain to them that they are private bankers that essentially print money out of thin air then charge US interest. I plan on printing up some buisiness cards with the address of informative web sites and youtube channels for them to continue their education. I was also thinking about getting a table at the flea market and just give away free material. A table costs about $20 for the day. A couple of hundred copies should do. I actually consider this to be education but I use the word propoganda because that is what we are fighting.

It is up to us to continue the Revolution and that is what WE MUST do.

Peace

Does my burka make my butt look fatwa?

A laundry list

1. Too many authoritarians in the republican party. This year while I was doing poll work, I got to talk to alot of people. There were some suprising statements, but they boiled down the fact that people believed that our way was right, and we had to do something to get the muslims to behave right. Some of this was religious based, some was the America - world police mentality.
2. Too many old people. They have been made vulnerable, and have been scared into favoring more government.
3. Too much connection to big business. They are facists, plain and simple, and will not give up power - even the small threat of seeing 100 or so Ron paul votes at the convention had them clamping down like Nazis apparently.
4. Too many Dominionist. The evangelicals that want to push their religion on others.
5. Without corporation support, we can not take over the party, and sorporations will not support a small government party.
( Here is some interesting statistics - http://www.sfgate.com/cgi...

Who's paying for the convention? - Sponsors: (partial list) 3M, AARP, Allstate, Amgen, Anheuser-Busch, AstraZeneca Pharmaceuticals, AT&T, Best Buy, Cargill, Chesapeake Energy, Cisco, Coca-Cola, Comcast, Edison Electric Institute, Eli Lilly, Fed Ex, Ford Motor, Georgia-Pacific, General Mills, Google, Hewlett-Packard, Koch Industries, Kraft Foods, Lockheed Martin, Merck, Microsoft, Northwest Airlines, PepsiCo, Pfizer, Qwest, State Farm, Target, UBS, United Health Group, UPS, US Bank, Verizon, Visa, Walgreen, Wells Fargo, Xerox

What it costs to get a luxury skybox at the Xcel Energy Center $1 million
What a $5 million contribution gets you - Private dinner, receptions and golf with GOP leaders

Amount taxpayers will pay for convention security - $50 million
Amount taxpayers will pay for convention operations - $16 million

Also, Minnesota had to extend a 40 million dollar line of credit in case the convention lost money.

Amount GOP convention organizers hoped to raise to put on convention $58 million
6. I can't stomach those Lincoln day picnics. but maybe that's just me.

Now two more issues.

Getting mad and forming a third party does work sometimes, look at Jesse Ventura's win in Minnesota and Perot's almost win.

Hawkiye is right on. While the right to petition, protest, or even engage in civil disobedience is vitally important, and perfectly legitimate if that is a person's personal preference, I think that your (and Ron Paul's) assertion that working within the political system is our best course of action is, for the moment, absolutely right. Demonstrations and protests can work, as can civil disobedience, but only if things are bad enough that a much, MUCH larger proportion of the population is being negatively impacted in such a way that they are fully aware of it. As bad as things are in the U.S. today, the simple fact is that most people don't get it, and if they DO sense that something is wrong, they simply don't know why.

That's where we come in.

Working within the political system, especially by flooding into one of the two major parties, will allow us to accomplish more with fewer people in a shorter amount of time. As galling as it can be to associate with neocons, we are all educated and confident enough in ourselves to not allow that to taint us, but rather, to spread OUR message to THEM. Given our current numbers disadvantage, it's the only realistic option.

However, I also want to point out that identifying, supporting, and working hard for liberty-loving Ron Paul Republicans is only half the equation. The other, equally important half is EDUCATION. We MUST take every opportunity to engage people in conversations that shed light on the dangers of foreign interventionism, central banking, and corporatism. Then the people who sense that something is wrong but can't put their fingers on what will begin to connect the dots, just like we have. It can be done, but it'll be a hard, uphill fight that takes patience, compassion, and level heads.

No republic in the history of humanity has every done anything other than to slide into empire, then collapse. However, we have the tool (the internet) to spread our message, and the man (Ron Paul) who embodies it. We CAN reverse the tide of history, if we are determined to do the work necessary.

Fortune Favors the Bold

is critical. Keeping the contacts you have made, keeping your orginization in place.

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While I love the REP party, I believe it is time to look for a different platform to start from. The REP .platform of today, is just a compromise with the DEMS platform. A few tweaks here & there that basicly get thrown into the can after election. No real CONSTITUTIONAL substance on issues. A PRESIDENTIAL platform that says nothing about restoring
what they know has been stolen from the average citizen; whose friends & neighbors believe in dictating & controling lifestyle @ the local level. You can call it peer presure. that is thaught as a, no -no in our schools. AND we learn that BLACKMAIL is OK if it serves a purpose; for the common good of course. I'm thinking third real hard.
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Agreed, we need to take this to the Republicans on a person to person basis to take back the party. We've had success there already and its a proven tact to moving ahead. I'll add that talking to Dems, Greens and the disenchanted is still a very good idea and should be pursued whenever the opportunity comes around. As Dr. Paul said, a revolution isn't a one party thing. We need to spread the message through the entire population if we want to have lasting results. Take back the Repubs for a platform, spread through other parties to break down resistance.
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"Freedom suppressed and again regained bites with keener fangs than freedom never endangered." -- Cicero

In fact, it's the only non-violent option we have that is guaranteed to get results, and can do so in a very short period of time. For more info read the following:

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