Troll Techniques
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COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum..
There are several techniques for the control and manipulation of a internet forum no matter what, or who is on it. We will go over each technique and demonstrate that only a minimal number of operatives can be used to eventually and effectively gain a control of a 'uncontrolled forum.'
Technique #1 - 'FORUM SLIDING'
If a very sensitive posting of a critical nature has been posted on a forum - it can be quickly removed from public view by 'forum sliding.' In this technique a number of unrelated posts are quietly prepositioned on the forum and allowed to 'age.' Each of these misdirectional forum postings can then be called upon at will to trigger a 'forum slide.' The second requirement is that several fake accounts exist, which can be called upon, to ensure that this technique is not exposed to the public. To trigger a 'forum slide' and 'flush' the critical post out of public view it is simply a matter of logging into each account both real and fake and then 'replying' to prepositined postings with a simple 1 or 2 line comment. This brings the unrelated postings to the top of the forum list, and the critical posting 'slides' down the front page, and quickly out of public view. Although it is difficult or impossible to censor the posting it is now lost in a sea of unrelated and unuseful postings. By this means it becomes effective to keep the readers of the forum reading unrelated and non-issue items.
Technique #2 - 'CONSENSUS CRACKING'
A second highly effective technique (which you can see in operation all the time at www.abovetopsecret.com) is 'consensus cracking.' To develop a consensus crack, the following technique is used. Under the guise of a fake account a posting is made which looks legitimate and is towards the truth is made - but the critical point is that it has a VERY WEAK PREMISE without substantive proof to back the posting. Once this is done then under alternative fake accounts a very strong position in your favour is slowly introduced over the life of the posting. It is IMPERATIVE that both sides are initially presented, so the uninformed reader cannot determine which side is the truth. As postings and replies are made the stronger 'evidence' or disinformation in your favour is slowly 'seeded in.' Thus the uninformed reader will most like develop the same position as you, and if their position is against you their opposition to your posting will be most likely dropped. However in some cases where the forum members are highly educated and can counter your disinformation with real facts and linked postings, you can then 'abort' the consensus cracking by initiating a 'forum slide.'
Technique #3 - 'TOPIC DILUTION'
Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This is a critical and useful technique to cause a 'RESOURCE BURN.' By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity. If the intensity of gradual dilution is intense enough, the readers will effectively stop researching and simply slip into a 'gossip mode.' In this state they can be more easily misdirected away from facts towards uninformed conjecture and opinion. The less informed they are the more effective and easy it becomes to control the entire group in the direction that you would desire the group to go in. It must be stressed that a proper assessment of the psychological capabilities and levels of education is first determined of the group to determine at what level to 'drive in the wedge.' By being too far off topic too quickly it may trigger censorship by a forum moderator.
Technique #4 - 'INFORMATION COLLECTION'
Information collection is also a very effective method to determine the psychological level of the forum members, and to gather intelligence that can be used against them. In this technique in a light and positive environment a 'show you mine so me yours' posting is initiated. From the number of replies and the answers that are provided much statistical information can be gathered. An example is to post your 'favourite weapon' and then encourage other members of the forum to showcase what they have. In this matter it can be determined by reverse proration what percentage of the forum community owns a firearm, and or a illegal weapon. This same method can be used by posing as one of the form members and posting your favourite 'technique of operation.' From the replies various methods that the group utilizes can be studied and effective methods developed to stop them from their activities.
Technique #5 - 'ANGER TROLLING'
Statistically, there is always a percentage of the forum posters who are more inclined to violence. In order to determine who these individuals are, it is a requirement to present a image to the forum to deliberately incite a strong psychological reaction. From this the most violent in the group can be effectively singled out for reverse IP location and possibly local enforcement tracking. To accomplish this only requires posting a link to a video depicting a local police officer massively abusing his power against a very innocent individual. Statistically of the million or so police officers in America there is always one or two being caught abusing there powers and the taping of the activity can be then used for intelligence gathering purposes - without the requirement to 'stage' a fake abuse video. This method is extremely effective, and the more so the more abusive the video can be made to look. Sometimes it is useful to 'lead' the forum by replying to your own posting with your own statement of violent intent, and that you 'do not care what the authorities think!!' inflammation. By doing this and showing no fear it may be more effective in getting the more silent and self-disciplined violent intent members of the forum to slip and post their real intentions. This can be used later in a court of law during prosecution.
Technique #6 - 'GAINING FULL CONTROL'
It is important to also be harvesting and continually maneuvering for a forum moderator position. Once this position is obtained, the forum can then be effectively and quietly controlled by deleting unfavourable postings - and one can eventually steer the forum into complete failure and lack of interest by the general public. This is the 'ultimate victory' as the forum is no longer participated with by the general public and no longer useful in maintaining their freedoms. Depending on the level of control you can obtain, you can deliberately steer a forum into defeat by censoring postings, deleting memberships, flooding, and or accidentally taking the forum offline. By this method the forum can be quickly killed. However it is not always in the interest to kill a forum as it can be converted into a 'honey pot' gathering center to collect and misdirect newcomers and from this point be completely used for your control for your agenda purposes.
CONCLUSION
Remember these techniques are only effective if the forum participants DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THEM. Once they are aware of these techniques the operation can completely fail, and the forum can become uncontrolled. At this point other avenues must be considered such as initiating a false legal precidence to simply have the forum shut down and taken offline. This is not desirable as it then leaves the enforcement agencies unable to track the percentage of those in the population who always resist attempts for control against them. Many other techniques can be utilized and developed by the individual and as you develop further techniques of infiltration and control it is imperative to share then with HQ.
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btw, COINTELPRO hasn't been
btw, COINTELPRO hasn't been around for like three decades.
=p
You guys spend WAY too much time looking for
conspiracies, trolls and plots. You guys just aren't that important.
Free and Brave
or Cradle to Grave
You can't have both
I See You're Another Guy Who Likes To Type The Word "Conspiracy"
Our lack of importance would, of course, explain your presence.
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"This much is true: you have
"This much is true: you have been lied to, robbed, and used by your own government" Ron Paul
Here's some lies from the C in C, G.W. Bush.
"Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.”
State of the Union Address – 1/28/2003
Iraq has 500 tons of chemical weapons:
- Sarin gas
- Mustard gas
- VX Nerve agent
Not True
Zero Chemical Weapons Found
Not a drop of any chemical weapons has been found anywhere in Iraq
“U.S. intelligence indicates that Saddam Hussein
had upwards of 30,000 munitions capable
of delivering chemical agents.”
State of the Union Address – 1/28/2003
Iraq has 30,000 weapons capable of dumping chemical weapons on people
Not True
Zero Munitions Found
Not a single chemical weapon’s munition has been found anywhere in Iraq
“We have also discovered through intelligence
that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas."
State of the Union Address – 1/28/2003
Iraq has a growing fleet of planes capable of dispersing chemical weapons almost anywhere in the world
Not True
Zero Aerial Vehicles Found
Not a single aerial vehicle capable of dispersing chemical or biological weapons, has been found anywhere in Iraq
"Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications and statements by people
now in custody reveal that
Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of Al Qaida."
State of the Union Address – 1/28/2003
Iraq aids and protects terrorists, including members of Al Qaeda
And implied that Iraq was somehow behind 9/11
Not True
Zero Al Qaeda Connection
To date, not a shred of evidence connecting Hussein with Al Qaida or any other known terrorist organizations have been revealed.
(besides certain Palestinian groups who represent no direct threat to the US)
"Our intelligence sources tell us that he (Saddam) has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production."
State of the Union Address – 1/28/2003
Iraq has attempted to purchase metal tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production
Not True
The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) as well as dozens of leading scientists declared said tubes unsuitable for nuclear weapons production -- months before the war.
"Satellite photographs reveal that Iraq is rebuilding facilities at [past nuclear] sites."
Bush speech to the nation – 10/7/2002
Iraq is rebuilding nuclear facilities at former sites.
Not True
Two months of inspections at these former Iraqi nuclear sites found zero evidence of prohibited nuclear activities there
IAEA report to UN Security Council – 1/27/2003
"The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."
State of the Union Address – 1/28/2003
Iraq recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa
Not True
The documents implied were known at the time by Bush to be forged and not credible.
"We know he's been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons, and we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."
VP Dick Cheney – “Meet the Press” 3/16/2003
Iraq has Nuclear Weapons for a fact
Not True
“The IAEA had found no evidence or plausible indication of the revival of a nuclear weapons program in Iraq."
IAEA report to UN Security Council – 3/7/2003
"We gave him a chance to allow the inspectors in, and he wouldn't let them in."
Bush Press Conference 7/14/2003
Iraq’s Saddam Hussein refused to allow UN inspectors into Iraq
Not True
UN inspectors went into Iraq to search for possible weapons violations from December 2002 into March 2003
The fact that the media and political establishment are complicit in ignoring these lies and contuning to support and promote the supposed "War on Terror" IS a conspiracy! How can we spend too much time on "conspiracies and plots" when it's the very thing that's eroding our freedoms and destroying America?
it's my fault
I suggested the Songbird/Barbarella ticket and he chose Sarah.
Don't underestimate yourselves, you have more power than you think in here.
Can you elaborate on
Can you elaborate on that?
Doc Holladay
Nashville, TN
http://www.myspace.com/do...
Just what are out trolls up to?
OK, this was a new one: after heatedly battling with the trolls "FreeRonPaul" and "RonBarr" (if not one and the same), I was suddenly logged-off from the Daily Paul, and all attempts to log back in were met with the phrase "user name or password unrecognized". This went on for the last two days, after which I have just now (Sat. morning) been able to finally log back in.
I thought I had been banned for some reason, but messages sent to the moderators via another DP'er with whom I have outside contact assured me that I had NOT been banned.
So, are our trolls now able to hack into our accounts, and prevent us from logging in as well?
I've wondered about that,
I've wondered about that, too. If these guys are indeed spooks, they probably do have the ability to hack. There have been a couple of times that I tried to respond to a troll who was getting 'served' that I was told that I wasn't 'allowed to post on the thread', but when I logged off and then back on, I was able to post again. I guess it could be possible that the DP has some sort of limit on how many times you can post on a thread within a certain time frame, but it has made me wonder....
Doc Holladay
Nashville, TN
http://www.myspace.com/do...
Paranoia wins again...
And then people tell me that I'm silly for pointing it out. Oh well.
No one is "hacking" your username and password, though I suppose you could "track" yourself and see if you've made any odd posts that you don't remember making. If someone's been doing that, then somehow they got your password, and it's likely through your own actions.
"There have been a couple of times that I tried to respond to a troll who was getting 'served' that I was told that I wasn't 'allowed to post on the thread', but when I logged off and then back on, I was able to post again."
^ That happens when a portion of the thread is being changed. Those trolls who were being "served" might have had a post deleted, the thread might be in the process of being removed or deleted, or some other administrative task is going on with the happy little conversation you were trying to post to. It has nothing to do with "hackers."
"Hacking" is completely unnecessary for this site. You can make account after account if you so desire, and you don't even have to bother: people assume you are about ten other people at the same time, if they don't like you. The site goes down at times, also, for reasons that all sites with dynamic content have their burps and hiccups. It happens.
I know that there were a couple of threads (including this one) that had posts deleted very rapidly, causing the thread to be unavailable for a time. I also know the site had "pink screens of death" for a time a couple of months (?) ago where any attempt to reply or start a thread was met with a pink box filled with code. Things like that aren't the fault of hackers or aliens ;)
OR ARE THEY?!?!? (no, they're not)
Paranoia is right.
Some of these people are major paranoid.
And You're The Biggest One
Are the truthers still out to get you?
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What other user names have
What other user names have you used in the past? Who do you work for? Do you have a job other that trolling here?
Doc Holladay
Nashville, TN
http://www.myspace.com/do...
See what
I mean?
By the way, this "docholliday" even sent me an email that said simply "Fuck you." Real mature.
Speaking of maturity and
Speaking of maturity and tact, here's your hero:
http://streetknowledge.fi...
Like I said
Real mature.
Good enough for your boss.
Good enough for your boss.
Yes, I sent it. At least
Yes, I sent it. At least I'm honest. Why don't you answer my questions instead of evading them and using misdirection?
Doc Holladay
Nashville, TN
http://www.myspace.com/do...
Because I'd rather just let you
stir in your paranoia.
Coward.
Coward.
LOL
LOL
Again, illustrating my
Again, illustrating my point. Avoid, avoid, avoid. Running from the light like a cockroach.
If you want to think I'm an employee
of the CFR, the New World Order, or the Elites, and that I'm using 100 different usernames, feel free. I don't care. Enjoy your paranoia I guess.
Master of misdirection.
Master of misdirection. Coward.
I can't resist...
...making a narrow post.
Melissa, did I just one up
Melissa, did I just one up you on that one?
Yes, yes I did. ;-D
Sneak Attack
pwnt.
Smaler
tada
.
,
dang
lol
I Didn't say I believed it,
I Didn't say I believed it, but I don't let prejudice and emotions preclude me from asking questions and at least considering it as a possibility. If you ask me, I think YOU'RE paranoid about anyone thinking outside the box.
Doc Holladay
Nashville, TN
http://www.myspace.com/do...
Read akak's post again...
and tell me if it doesn't come off a little paranoid (not to mention, again, the many posts on this thread where people say they "know" one person is another person is another person etc). Not everything is directed /only/ at you, however if that's how it came across I apologize. It is not "thinking outside the box" to know that "hacking" isn't the cause of the "unable to log in" situation, it's knowledge of how the site works. If that bothers people, and they prefer the flavor of misinformed speculation, there's nothing to be done for it :)
Point taken. Your
Point taken. Your explanations are logical and are of course, more likely than 'hackers'. It is a fact, however, that these trolls do use multiple user names (for various reasons) and if you pay attention to writing style, and methods it's painfully obvious which names belong to the same troll.
Hell, 'billydee' even admitted that he does it:
"I change my username every week or so. When you think I'm gone in a few days, I'll actually still be here under another name. I like keeping people on their toes. I may actually start changing it daily." Billydee
BUT!
Some isn't all... logical fallacy going on with some of the other posters. Some people do it, therefore people with similar styles or viewpoints (the latter being the bigger problem here) must be the same person under varied names. I know, personally, five people on this board who are often accused of being the same person ;) Kind of funny to watch, and sad.
It's a way of marginalizing others, to lump them together (in this case literally lump them into one person). The opposition does it when they hear one supporter who is a Truther, Survivalist, Anarchist, or whatever ;) And lest we forget the media saying that all those internet polls were done by a few "spammers." Anyhow, the reaction is more towards the thread (as most of my responses are) rather than you as an individual.
A Saturday morning bump!
A Saturday morning bump!
Doc Holladay
Nashville, TN
http://www.myspace.com/do...
Bump!
: )
Have to bump this since Ronbarr is using it's tactics.
Aku Soku Zan
God Bless Dr Steve!!!!
God Bless Dr Steve!!!!
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Sometimes they even - Gasp! - resort to poetry!
Troll sat alone on his seat of stone,
And critiqued what the Austrians did enthrone;
For Hayek had got his triangle backwards, clear
But a rebuttal was hard to come by.
Done by! Gum by!
In a cave in the hills he dwelt alone,
And a rebuttal was hard to come by.
Up came Bob with his big boots on.
Said he to Troll: “Pray, what is yon?
For it looks like Prices n' Production o' my nuncle Fritz.
As should be a-lyin' in the graveyard.
Caveyard! Paveyard!
This many a year has Fritz been gone,
And I thought his books were lyin' in the graveyard.”
“My lad,” said Troll, “Hayek’s triangle you extol
But what be a theory with a logical hole?
Thy nuncle was dead as a lump o' lead,
Afore I wrote my Critique.
Weak! Shriek!
He can spare a share for a poor old troll,
For he don't need his theory whole.”
Said Bob: “I don't see why the likes o' thee
Without axin' leave should go makin' free
With the books or the larning o' the Austrian's kin;
So hand the old book over!
Rover! Trover!
Though dead he be, it belongs to he;
So hand the old book over!”
“For a couple o' pins,” says Troll, and grins,
“I'll refute thee too, and gnaw thy work’s withins.
A bit o' fresh theory will go down sweet!
I'll try my polemics on thee now.
Hee now! See now!
I'm tired o' gnawing old books and skins;
I've a mind to refute mod' Austrians now.”
But just as he thought his reputation wrought,
He found his hands had hold of naught.
Before he could mind, Bob slipped behind
And gave him the boot to larn him.
Warn him! Darn him!
A bump o' the boot on the seat, Bob thought,
Would be the way to larn him.
But harder than stone is the flesh and bone
Of a troll that sits in the hills alone.
As well set your boot to the axiomatic root,
For the seat of a troll don't feel it.
Peel it! Heal it!
Old Troll laughed, when he heard Bob groan,
And he knew the young Austrian could feel it.
Bob's reputation is game, since home he came,
And his doctorate degree is lasting lame;
But Troll don’t care, and he’s still there
With the rebuttal he boned from its owner.
Doner! Loner!
Troll’s old seat is still the same,
And the rebuttal he boned from its owner!
You see, Bob pushed his analysis to caveman days,
But Troll insisted that value in the future lays.
Value is always subjective, not intrinsic at all,
And supply is not the same as stock, he explained.
Reigned! Deigned!
The Economics Troll won, Hayek’s triangle he did raze,
As Axiomatic Theory prevailed, Austrianism waned.
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Whew! I was getting nervous as I went down the list.
Imagining Technique #7 - Cynical or Satirical Humor. I surely thought I was doomed to be cast into trolldom hell oblivion for a minute there.
Anyone received their prizes from the McFonda campaign yet?
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omg -
is that an obscure "Hanoi Jane" reference - or am i being to deep? lol
Live Free or Diebold
Good catch, Jinc!
Good catch, Jinc!
Immediately below, you can
Immediately below, you can see technique # 3 (Topic Dilution) being employed.
"Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This is a critical and useful technique to cause a 'RESOURCE BURN.' By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity. If the intensity of gradual dilution is intense enough, the readers will effectively stop researching and simply slip into a 'gossip mode.' In this state they can be more easily misdirected away from facts towards uninformed conjecture and opinion which is quite beneficial..."
The topic of this post is the above information, which exposes the techniques used to limit the effectiveness of important forum discussions. To have these facts distributed and absorbed by as many readers as possible should be the focus here, and is what will truly be productive.
Doc Holladay
Nashville, TN
http://www.myspace.com/do...
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Libera me, let the truth break, what my fears make--Leslie Phillips
There are trolls...
...and there are paranoid nutjobs. It does take two to tango. The "changing usernames" technique does happen, and it has been around for ages, but as with so many things, people apply it to the majority when it's a tactic of the minority. Vuck has been around Ron Paul related rooms and forums longer than some of you have been on Daily Paul ;) but of course you'd rather think that all "those people" are the same "troll." One doesn't have to support Dr. Paul religiously to have worked for getting him elected. One can even criticize him. Isn't one of our huge gripes that people are blindly voting Obama or McCain? Wouldn't it at least be a glimmer of hope if those people at least criticized those they were following?
Criticizing the choices we're given, even when one of them is way better than the usual, gets us to hope for and expect more with each passing election.
Anyhow, that's my take on it, and slightly off-topic, so I am sure I'll also be called a troll. Maybe I'm Vuck's feminine side ;)