An email from my homeschooling group...aaaghhh!!!
Posted September 6th, 2008 by lvenable
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Okay, I need to vent. I've been VERY emotional these last few days, and more than a little edgy...so when this showed up in my inbox from one of my homeschooling mailing lists, I just blew up. Seriously, I have a massive headache now. I don't know why I can't just blow it off like other propaganda emails I receive. I'm so sick of hearing this kind of crap---I want to respond but what will it do but get everyone else in the group jumping on my back? They're all McCain supporters!
I'm pretty sure the author of this article is the son of the person on the mailing list who sent it.
Another thought: Is there a "Liberty-Minded" homeschooling group out there? If not, anyone interested in forming one?
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"Country First" Leaves One Choice for President
6 September 2008
As a conservative Republican sick of the party’s compromises and scandals, this Presidential election season began depressingly for me. My first three choices dropped out early, leaving me with John McCain, a known pal of Democrats and the liberal media. Some choice, I thought bitterly at the start of the Summer. Yet I determined very quickly to vote for McCain in November. Why? I’m glad you asked!
John McCain is a war hero. That is indisputable. Anybody who spends nearly six years in a damp, filthy enemy prison cell and endures daily beatings throughout is a hero. The fact that McCain came out alive after having passed up a chance to be released four years before is even more telling. And if all that wasn’t enough, McCain returned to the Navy and to flying for eight more years. He’s served in Congress for the past twenty-six years, and though he has not always pleased us conservatives, I believe wholeheartedly that he loves this country. His combined forty-eight years of public service infinitely qualify him to be President. He can do the job.
Barack Obama, on the other hand, has none of these qualifications. He’s never lifted a finger to defend this country, he’s never authored a piece of legislation, he’s only been in the Senate since 2004, and his love for this country is suspect considering his lack of regard the American flag and his close associations with anti-American and anti-white preacher Jeremiah Wright and domestic terrorist William Ayers. His primary claim to fame is as a "community organizer," which I assume has something to do with planning rallies and making speeches. So far, his campaign reflects this experience but not much else. Sarah Palin was not just cracking wise at Obama when she remarked Wednesday night that, "The American Presidency is not supposed to be a journey of ‘personal discovery.’ This world of threats and dangers is not just a community, and it doesn’t just need an organizer." John McCain discovered the meaning of his life in that Communist
prison, while Barack Obama is still searching for it and wants the American people to help. And the "world of threats and dangers" is bigger now than ever, demanding an American leader who knows who he is and what he is doing.
Ladies and gentlemen, our enemies are lining up to take a whack at us like kids waiting to smack a piñata at a birthday party. The really scary part is that the Islamic terrorists are the ones swinging a wiffle-ball bat. Iran, North Korea, Russia, and China are all sharpening axes–nuclear ones. Russia’s invasion of Georgia was about sending a message to all the freedom-seeking countries of the former Soviet Union: "You belong to us, and you can’t do anything about it." The invasion very well could have been the beginning of a new Cold War at a time when the U.S. also has to keep its eye on North Korea’s nuclear program, China’s rapidly expanding military, and Iran’s threats to destroy Israel. This is why missile defense, securing Iraq for democracy, and standing so close to China that we can see its brain through its ear canal are so important. President Bush knows that, and so does John McCain.
Barack Obama, meanwhile, wants to sit down and chat with the leaders of these countries and cut deals with them. I suppose he thinks he can talk Mahmoud Ahmadinejad out of hating the Jews, or Vladimir Putin and Dmitri Medvedev out of re-establishing the former might of the Soviet Empire. Perhaps these men are on their own journeys of personal discovery, and they and Barack can set off together on a contemplative pilgrimage through the philosophical jungle of our world. Or not. Barack Obama will be a President that Putin, Medvedev, Ahmadinejad, Kim Jong-Il, Hugo Chavez, and Osama bin Laden can handle, intimidate, and outmaneuver. He will make the United States easier for them to defeat.
If we were to judge the two candidates’ foreign policies on a 0-to-10 scale, with ‘10' being good and ‘0' being poor, Obama scores a ‘0' and McCain scores a ‘10'. End of discussion. Domestic policy is a bit cloudier thanks to McCain’s history of compromising with liberals, but one factor stands out–McCain is pro-life, and Obama is not. ‘5' for McCain and ‘0' for Obama. McCain’s pitching a shutout here, and I haven’t even discussed Sarah Palin yet.
When John McCain picked Sarah Palin as his running mate, he made this race about Christian Conservatives again. That’s us, folks! She’s Bible-believing, pro-life, anti-gay marriage, and anti-corruption, a woman who believes in doing what’s right regardless of Republican Party interests. McCain has shown us that we matter to him enough for him to pick his future second-in-command from our ranks. After months of praying almost grudgingly for McCain’s victory, I can specifically pray for McCain-Palin because Palin is a qualified Christian who could potentially end up as President of the United States. I firmly believe that God has ordained Sarah Palin to redeem this election and to be a Christian light in the McCain campaign and the McCain White House. Her sudden appearance on the scene at a time when I was despairing for America’s future under Obama has convinced me that she is the closest thing to Deborah or Esther that we will see in our
lifetimes.
There they are. You now know why I’m voting for John McCain. "Well, Jonathan," some of you are certainly thinking, "I’ve decided to vote for a third-party conservative candidate." Well, folks, doing that is not going to keep Barack Obama out of office. You may think taking such a radical stand is heroic or patriotic, but it’s not. How many conservatives have you heard thank Ross Perot’s supporters from 1992? By taking votes away from then-President Bush, all they secured for this country was Bill Clinton, who gave us Somalia, the Khobar Towers, the African embassy bombings, the USS Cole, Monica, and Whitewater.
The race between McCain and Obama is going to be a squeaker, and casting your vote for a third-party candidate will potentially earn us four years of weak-kneed, liberal leadership in the most important four years of this great nation’s history, not to mention keep Sarah Palin out of office. So much for standing up for a sister-in-Christ.
Third-party voters, if Obama wins this election, I will not be thanking you for "taking a stand." The people of Israel, Georgia, Iraq, Ukraine, Poland, South Korea, Taiwan, and Colombia won’t be either, and neither will all the babies aborted under Obama’s uncaring watch. I’ll tell you who will be thanking you, though. Putin, Ahmadinejad, Kim, the Chinese, and Osama bin Laden will be. They’ll be saying, "Thank you American Christians for putting yourselves first." I, on the other hand, am choosing to put my country first.
Jonathan (name withheld) is a 22-year-old Springdale, Ark., native who was home-schooled from 1990 to 2003. He is now a graduate student at American Military University.
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Is this a Christian?
If so, I would tell them to trust in God and not man. Check out Chuck Baldwin's discussion on Jeremiah and how the people of Israel sold out trying to rely on man, instead of God. Voting for McCain to avoid getting Obama is relying on man. Unbelievable how Christians claim to have faith in God and yet they rely on man to take care of everything.
Healthnut4freedom
"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6
Homeschooling vs Schooling at Home
There is a hugh dichotomy in homeschooling. Some people homeschool for philosophical reasons, others for religious reasons. The former are more free-thinking and much more open to our way of thinking about politics. The latter are school at homers, sitting around the kitchen table with textbooks and grades and giving great importance to such groups as HSLDA (Home School Legal Defense Association). I'm a bit biased I admit, but I'd call the first group the groundbreakers and the second group the lemmings. It's no wonder they favor McCain.
Resources for liberty-minded, independent thinking homeschoolers: West River Academy, Clonlara School, Home Education Magazine, books by John Holt and John Taylor Gatto.
Hope this helps explain the McCain material you got from your homeschooling group. If I were you I'd look for another group or start one of my own (which I did about 20 years ago when my son and daughter homeschooled for their high school years.
I can't stay online tonight but anyone interested in learning more about interest-based, self-directed homeschooling and resources available can email me. I'll be happy to tell you about my experiences.
Dan
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Dan, Dan, Dan
As a former homeschooler who had religious and philosophical reasons, I can't agree that religious homeschoolers are the ones with the workbooks at the tables, etc. I belonged to homeschooling groups that had totally different thinking about this. Also, my homeschool hero is Raymond Moore. He definitely preached true home schooling. Also, it was from a religious-based organization that I got materials on Austrian Economics, including F.A. Hayek's book. So, don't lump people into boxes.
Healthnut4freedom
"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6
You're right...
I generally don't generalize and realized after I posted that I was somewhat off base in this case. From my experiences long ago groups like HSLDA seemed to play upon fear as a way of gaining membership and $$$'s, and as a way of getting people to go along with states' laws rather than stand their ground in the education of their kids.
I still like the groups I mentioned as resources, though I'd never dispute the great work done by Raymond Moore.
Thanks for setting the record straight.
Wow
Fortune Favors the Bold
This is quite literally, propaganda. As in, I am 100 percent sure, the person on your homeschooling list wasn't the author, but the Republican Party was the author.
Homeschoolers are particularly vulnerable
to State control and you will do them a service to help them see how to help themselves and their children. Besides the endorsement from Mary Pride mentioned earlier, check out the post in the DP's Active Forum Topics headed, "Great article on Freedom in Major Newspaper.: It clearly sums up the dangerous failure of both major parties to address the basic issue of freedom. Good luck, I homeschooled my kids and know how tricky it is to negotiate relationships with the parents of your childrens' friends.
Question.....
Ivenable, is this a group that you need to stay involved with in order to properly educate your children at home? If not, then I would just ask to be removed from the email list. If so, then you could politely ask that the email list be reserved for home-schooling news only, as politics can become personal and divisive and you don't want anything of that nature to interfere with the success of the group. No explanation other than that needs to be given, and it keeps you on the high road.
Unfortunately, many
Unfortunately, many homeschoolers are blinded just like the average American. You might think otherwise, as they were smart enough to choose homeschooling, but it's not the case. I was very disappointed when Michael Farris, president of Home School Legal Defense endorsed Huckabee. Why can't they see what we see??
My family is in a Christian homeschooling group and I would guess most of the families are Bush supporters as they believe the lies and his "image" (of being a pro-life, Christian, etc. president). One of the girls was an avid Bush supporter (in her mid-teens). We had MANY discussions. :) Hopefully, I gave her something to think about. And that was before Ron Paul's campaign!
Both McCain and Obama are traitors
Which one do you choose to sell us out.
McCain is no war hero. He collaborated with the enemy. He made 32 propaganda video's for the enemy and wrote confessions etc...
He was not treated like the other POW's. He was never tortured.
They both want open border (North American Union). they both support freedom of choice. So you can abort to your hearts content with either of these candidates...
What planet are you from?
Guys click forum and there are list of books and videos
There are resources in here for you to go through. You will have to go through them but only you know the people you are dealing with. Only you will be able to pick just the right material for the person you are dealing with. As for it will be your fault if a democrat gets elected because you vote thrid party. The Ron Paul revolution has been reaching out for a year now. I was a delegate at my state convention. We did not even get ask to put one sentance in the platform not even one word. We worked a whole year with our hand reached out to these people and all we got was knifed in the back. It will be their fault for not setting down and finding out what we wanted. They didn't even care what we wanted they only cared about what they wanted end of story.
Look at the post again lisa they are not asking for a hug they
are looking for ammunition. They want to send bac a salvo to the other side. The don't need courage they need ammo.
Then give it to them.
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hahaha lisa do you ware combat boots.
whats with the militant sounding post tonight..................
not everyone starts out at the same place lisa and you know that.
Maybe it sounds "militant" because we are fighting for our lives
Did you see the RNC? Did you see people getting dragged out? Voices silenced?
This was on camera for the world to see and they didn't care.
They are coming for you and your family and you're on me about the "tone" of my replies???
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The fighting has not yet begun...
When the real fighting begins it will not be with digital transmissions of binary code for anyone in the world to read. I am well aware of what is coming. I appreciate your zeal but it is misplaced in this case.
Not everyone contributes to the cause by being a front-line voice. There is a role for everyone. Some are moles within the system that must remain in appearance as the enemy does. Some are ghosts hiding from both sides until the time comes to muster forces. So yes, your tone was slightly overboard in this case. We are on the same side but we can not all have the same roles.
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We'll agree to disagree then.
When a person cannot respond to a pro-McCain email due to the discomfort being outside the group might cause, your silence is a sign of agreement and makes the roles of others that much more difficult.
I'm glad you and your wife are here and I will refrain from responding to any further posts if it causes you to feel unwelcome.
Kind regards.
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I'm going to end my comments here
its a RLOVEUTION for the family of Pauites. Outside the family its a war its been of ideaology and words but it is for power. We do not seak it for one man we seek it for all men and women (We the People). Why because it is ours to seek.
I agree Wyndle
But never underestimate how big your roll will be you might be suprized.
Although I agree with your
Although I agree with your sentiment, I might add that there are good times to be moles for only so long. Eventually enough voices need to speak up before it is too late. The quieter we are, the more emboldened they become. I do not blame you for seeking anonymity especially in light of recent events, but to be honest...I feel sort of bad I'm not sitting in a jail cell next to some of those people who got arrested. I've put up with wayyy too much.
Just my thoughts. I thank you for supporting freedom and I in no way mean this as an attack. :)
They have small children
they have a responsability to their children. But remember it is your children that stand the most to lose. So really these people are actually attacking your children. I agree one must know what stage of the battle one is at. But it is for our children non the less. Also remember your children are watching and learning from you. If they see you stand up for liberty they are more likely to grow up with a respect for it and defend it themselves.
I second that emotion, Lisa.
I second that emotion, Lisa. Game time, folks. This has gone waaay too far. We need passion and anger.
We don't home school, but
I got a letter that gave me a similar feel. It was sent from the superintendent of our very large school district. It said something like, "We have added more foreign language classes to better help our students become GLOBAL CITIZENS". Yikes!
The public school made one of my kids read an article about McCain and an article about Obama. He then had to pick a side and write about it. I think he started the paper out with something like, "If I was forced to choose the lesser of two evils . . ." lol
I would send a reply to the homeschooling group giving them the argument against McCain and Obama. That will give them something to think about.
evangelical neocons are very closed minded
I agree with you the POW thing is not what you should use. Start with common ground. Find out who shares similar beliefs on the constitution and do they think it is a set in stone document or a living document. If they think it is a living document that should be changed all the time then you have problems all hope for that person can be lost. But if they are a believer in a set in stone all laws should pass the constitution test then at least you are starting out with common ground. The Real ID is another one that you can bring up no Christian likes the though of being marked find common areas of interest.
I don't know that was a pretty good voice
hehehe. I think she might have more in her than she knows. I think you might be right she isn't mad yet. She looks like shes got some teeth to her.
I know exactly how you feel I go at it with my family all the
time. Sometimes it gets to be more than a person can stand I'm glad you came here and reached out for help don't let lisa run you off. We are glad to help you any way we can. Standing up for the right things can get you alienated but I assure you you are not alone. Alot of us have faced this. Being woke up is a pretty big shock to the system. Standing up for it is even tougher and it takes time.
I'm not trying to run her off.
I am trying to help her.
I care more for her than you know.
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Do not let fear control
Do not let fear control your, let freedom, liberty and principles guide your way.
If you feel the urge, tell your homeschooling group that you can support neither McCain nor Obama - because you need to be able to look yourself in the mirror and be able to smile at the end of the day.
Make your statement simple, crystal clear, quick and to the point.
If they can't handle it and begin giving you a hard time over it, then maybe it is time to find a new group.
Or maybe you will find out that one or more share your views. Remember, it only takes a small but passionate minority to effect change. You might win them over one by one and turn that entire group into liberty and freedom loving people.
Send this website to them.
Here is the real facts on McCains time as a pow.
http://devvy.net/pdf/mar0...
We are aware of his shady past.
The problem with trying to speak that level of truth to a faceless group of deeply brainwashed sheeple is that they will immediately shut you out and virtually stone you for rocking their boat. Nobody wins. If there was any sign of critical thinking among them we may be able to appeal to their sense of logic, but the POW angle has too many sharp edges to work in that type of situation.
Any way you slice it, some people have to be saved from tyranny despite themselves.
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We perceive what we know, why don't we know what we perceive? - Me
What was that all about lisa
How do you know they have no courage. geeez lisa why would you say that? It makes you seem like you have testicles. They are looking for support and thats what you came up with.
You give her a cuddle then true_believer.
The best support I can give her is to encourage her to use her voice and not back down.
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which state are you in?
I'm sure there's meetups with homeschoolers in your area.
Do you, or do you not, stand for something?
"I want to respond but what will it do but get everyone else in the group jumping on my back? They're all McCain supporters!"
I used to think it took courage to home school your kids but this is the opposite of courage.
Stand on your feet and give these people a dose of reality or you will have missed one of the most important lessons in life.
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Yes, we stand for something.
I had resisted the urge to become a posting member here for a long time but I feel this post deserves a response.
lvenable (my wife) posted this to ask for support and a sense of community. Up until your post the responses were helpful. You attacked her for asking opinions? I wish I could say that I was surprised but I know this happens on any public forum.
Don't worry your little head though, we have been spreading the word far and wide to people who are slightly more open minded than that one homeschooling group. We've given away a "read and share" copy of Dr. Paul's latest book along with pocket Constitutions. We have raised awareness among our families and friends.
I have been freedom minded and critically thinking for a long time. It was a joy when my wife finally woke up and realized that I was right.
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Check Your e-mail Wyndle
Delegates Revolt For Freedom !!!
I didn't attack her for asking an opinion.
I want to see her grow some ovaries and step up!
We are talking about responding to an email group, are we not? I'm sorry if you didn't get the response from me that you wanted.
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I have ovaries. I produced
I have ovaries. I produced four kids with them.
Look, I've never been much of an outspoken person. I do my share and pour my heart into the cause of Liberty, but speaking out isn't one of my gifts--it never has been. That's why I don't post here much. I posted here tonight simply seeking some support from like-minded people at a time when I felt very alone. My own family and friends don't have much to do with me since I rejected the family political views--they didn't support my decision to homeschool my children either.
If I felt like I could stand up to a large email list full of evangelical neo-cons, I would have done so, and not came here to vent about it.
I'm sorry if I disappoint by not being a stand-up sort of person. I'll certainly think twice before posting again.
To everyone who did offer encouragement, I sincerely appreciate it.
You didn't disappoint me and I hope you do post again.
Did you come here for hugs or to help free our country?
The problem is, when you don't "speak up" you are part of the problem.
Get angry sister! Fight for your children! Find your voice and use it!
Email those people and tell them you will not stand, not for ONE MINUTE, making your children slaves!
Do you understand? I am not here to hurt your feelings but to embolden you to fight. Let others "encourage" you. I don't have the time for that and, according to Dr. Paul, time is indeed short.
You don't need a "gift" to speak out, you just need to speak often and loudly.
This is a war. Will you fight with us?
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To each their own. There
To each their own. There are many ways to help the cause but starting fights you know you will not win is pointless.
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We perceive what we know, why don't we know what we perceive? - Me
You mean like Ron Paul runnning for president?
You mean like the Revolutionaries going up against the British Empire?
"Starting fights you know you will not win is pointless."
See you in the FEMA camp.
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Once again, I agree with
Once again, I agree with Lisa. Stand up, it's now or never.
Thank you Hubris.
I really am not trying to hurt anyone's feelings but, at the same time, the rail cars have been fitted with leg irons and handcuffs and are waiting for you and me and this woman and her children.
Send an email and simply say, "I do not agree with McCain and I do not agree with Obama. If you'd like to know why, feel free to email."
For godsake people, take a stand.
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it's sad to see the convoluted thinking
here's some links I sent to friends with similar views.........
Sarah Palin - sweet syrup for a bitter pill:
http://www.chuckbaldwinli...
The war-hero myth debunked:
http://www.vietnamveteran...
Gun Owners of America on McCain:
http://www.gunowners.org/...
Chuck Baldwin 2008
http://www.baldwin08.com/
McCain and abortion
http://www.chuckbaldwinli...
Presidential Candidate Chuck Baldwin:
http://www.chuckbaldwinli...
There is only one foreign policy followed by R's and D's:
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
Barack Obama - the puppet in the "left" hand:
http://www.anobamanation....
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The rationale for sending it
must have been that the author *was* homeschooled. Simply find someone to write a counterpoint who was also homeschooled and send it to the group.
Great idea!
are there any homeschooling parents on line with older children? (Mine are 7 and 2 going on 3)
Libera me, let the truth break, what my fears make--Leslie Phillips
I agree!
Yes, mine are 14 & 16. It's been a tough week and I could use a strong pep talk. I have four non-teenagers in private school and a 3 year old at home with me and the two homeschoolers. Oh, and 19 year old in college. ingodwetrust--Diana Duggan
Need a homeschool endorsement for RP?
How about an endorsement from Mary Pride, publisher of Practical Homeschooling and pretty much the "founder" of the current homeschool movement?
In over 20 years of being the most respected name in homeschooling, Mary Pride never, ever endorsed any political candidate. Until this year.
Read her endorsement of Ron Paul here.
(That article is mostly about why Huckabee should not be homeschoolers' choice, because this was written back when Huck was perceived as a front-runner for Christian Republicans, and was being lauded by many well-meaning but seriously misled homeschoolers.)
And from back in January '08, here's the discussion thread on DP regarding Pride's endorsement of Ron Paul.
Thank you,wish I had remembered that!
Libera me, let the truth break, what my fears make--Leslie Phillips
I still say we need to have an organized Liberty leaning
home schooling network of some kind in the C4L. This guy almost makes a person want to just go ahead and vote for obama. If they are going to blame you anyways why not just push the guy over the top but we know better than that don't we. We know thats not what this is about. It is about voteing for the most liberty loving "person" we can vote for isn't it? Don't let this guy bother you. You vote for who your heart tells you to vote for. Their is no bad vote from a Paulite we know what the Constitution is and what it says. How can we get it wrong. It is this kid who has got it wrong and it has not bothered him or his family one bit to distroy your constitution. They are to blame not you. Good luck finding like minded homeschoolers to communicate with.