Tonight, they got me...I was Neoconned....
Posted September 7th, 2008 by Crickett
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I went to the County GOP Chairman to complain about our delgate's and RP's treatment at the RNC. I had great arguments, I was beaten again. He knew all about it. His story?
We want to WIN. The whole thing is about WINNING. Ron is TOO conservative. American people are not. THAT is why he got a small percentage of votes. Very few are that conservative--that is why the Republicans started leaning left, as they WANT to WIN. That's why they didn't want RP or the delegates "disrupting" anything like Perot did. RP is like someone watching a football game from the bleachers, and yelling about how bad his team is, over and over, but never wanted to get into the game and be a team player. No one can get anywhere with the GOP without being a team player. Perot caused Clinton to get in office, not the GOP. That's why he never got anywhere with the Republican Party. The election is very close, and it is VERY important that they WIN. Nothing must detract from that.
Oh there is more. He told me about wars we had been in that I did not even know about. We went to war with Africa once. That's where the "Halls of Montezuma" thing came from. We attacked Mexico and stole 2/3 of their country. (This I knew, but not exactly the way he put it). We fought Spain and even at one point, Canada. George Washington fought a war against Americans right after our country began, because they did not pay the taxes that they needed after fighting the war. . He said that the entire time our country has been around, we have only had peace once, for 13 years.
I was out babbled.
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Fat Chance
You should have kindly told that guy that there is no place for a party in the American elctorate that says to voters:
"Endless government, endless war, but vote for us because we're not Democrats."
Why on earth do they think W is so despised? Idiots. He (like a lot of others) has fallen into the Red team vs. the Blue team trap. "Winning" has taken precendent over EVERYTHING else. You can be for destruction of the Constitution, amnesty, big government, endless entitlements ... as long as you are for bombing third-world arab states and expect them to greet us a "liberators" ... we'll vote for ya.
Morons. Maybe they will start to get it in November.
I wouldn't bet on it...
"Maybe they will start to get it in November."
Perhaps if they are out of power for 8 years it'll start to sink in.
Interesting parallel
Take a look at bdunn's comment down below:
"How does he know WHO the people would have voted for IF the media had covered the candidates equally and fairly? Most people didn't vote for Ron Paul because they had never heard of him...or his message...not because he was too conservative."
Now, take a look at this Business Week article: The 65 mpg Ford the U.S. Can't Have
Excerpt (emphasis mine):
Now Ford can do what it wants to do with its company, but, do you see a running theme here?
There is a widespread mindset that the few decide for themselves what people will or will not embrace, without even putting the option out there.
That last paragraph of the ECOnetic article would make a nice warning for the GOP. Let's rephrase that for the Republican Party, shall we?
I suddenly wish Ron Paul drove an ECOnetic!
Ha ha and tell him thats the problem
He is a Republican and NOT an American. If he cared as much about America as his party we would have a great country
"Winning is more important than doing the right thing?"
No babble needed, the simpler the truth, the more neatly it dices them.
Y, but quite unfortunately,
Y, but quite unfortunately, he does not agree with RP's positions on everything, and truly feels Obama must never be President. He also feels that the CFR does nothing but comprise an elite group of important people who care about our government. I did not get into the CFR with him, much at ALL, because his thinking was skewed. He needed a paradigm shift, and I was not knowledgeable enough to push him. There are many things in the Constitution he felt were fine to be ignored. It was very tough. When someone REALLY believes something, it is all they see. My own sister, who works for the FEDERAL Fish and Wildlife Service, literally laughed at me, when I told her there was NO co2 induced global warming. She laughed, and then she said that she had never seen ONE article against Global warming!
I sent her a few, but that statement really blew my mind. These ridiculous Neo-Conservatives have good reasons (in their minds) for the positions they uphold, and I was unprepared for such mindsets. I believe that they are very willing for us to police the world, now. It is truly frightening that they are so frightened, but it seems almost impossible to reason someone out of fear...
Not ONE article against Global warming!
I'm a contractor for the EPA doing Hg release from coal power plants. Google up for your sister NASA's research that global warming is happenning on ALL the planets. The problem is, she's got a pension so she doesn't have to do her own thinking anymore.
Sites being hacked. Zionists likely culprits
I found these sites out:
libertyforum.com
rense.com
freedom4um.com
From: sightings@mindspring.com
Subject: Re: Well done - YouTube - Talking about the Israel Lobby
Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 7:33 PM
The series of attacks on my site over the past week or so are being carried out by extremely capable hackers...probably the best money can buy. Their attacks...electronic 'bombs' so to speak...leave no traceable footprints. In knocking the site down over ten times, they have destroyed, the OS, 3 hard drives and today also destroyed the motherboard on the server.
This is grim business. I am moving my entire site to a new host who is supposed to have TOP defensive capability.
We shall see.
This has been extremely frustrating to say the least.
Thanks for your concern...
God only knows
what the American people really want because they are undereducated, lied to, brainwashed, run over, over taxed, beaten down, threatened, intimidated, harrassed and under duress.
You are right -
that''s why we MUST start with our children and grandchildren. Get them out of the public socialist schools. If you cannot, then supplement their learning at home and un-do the teachings of the socialists.
Talk about the "news" and what they are telling us and NOT telling us. Always have them question authority shoved down their throats. Because they are "teachers" doesn't mean they are Gods! They are humans who were taught the same way!
Re-education of the children. Pointing out exactly why something is right and wrong. They will learn quickly and then question on their own.
I've been mentoring my granddaughter, who started college this year. She knows what is right and wrong with our government; I asked to question the professors if they try to pull the "socialist" thing and have an open discussion so other students will learn the difference also.
Ron only got a small percentage of the vote...
because he did not have the corporate controlled media pumping him night after night. And when they did mention somehting about him, they were quick to point out that he could not possibly win. People bought it hook line and sinker. I can't count the number of people that said: "I really like Ron Paul, but I don't want to waste my vote."
Our platform is very popular, and given some attention Ron would have wiped the floor with McObama.
We have a lot of challenges to overcome. The ignorance of the American people, the entrenched 2 party system, the corporate media and the gaggle of worthless politicians who are hollow suits blowing with the wind.
I have to believe that we want it more though, so we will prevail. Many of us are new to the dirty game of politics, but we are fast learners.
Masters and Slaves
Given the "master" mentality of the neoconned Republicans we can expect a lot of dirty tricks, and even quite a bit of evil, toward stabilizing their domination over the slaves. The passive "slave" mentality of congressional Democrats is a perfect compliment to them. This is the antithetical nature of political life. When it comes to really daring to challenge the masters, the slaves can only mimic freedom with a show of stubbornness. Remember the movie "Spartacus"? Remember the winners? After WW1, the German socialists who called themselves "Spartacusts" received the same treatment of the original group. Let's face it: Most people, as much as they "love" freedom, really don't want it. They want to be told what to do, either by the "God" of the T.V. pastor or political "leaders". Being told what to do relieves them of responsibility. They don't have to "stand up" -- it is dangerous to do so. The good news is that in time the masters become fully dependent for their pleasures upon the labor of the slaves (taxation, military service, etc.) and finally become the slaves of the slaves -- which is what we see and hear in the cynical, almost piteous, public pandering of politicians to values that no one believes in any longer. There was a note of this fear in the RNC -- check the eye-movements, the yawns, and the desperate efforts to act as if they believed in what was being preached. Of course, the slaves are getting weary and a bit unsure of their master's determination to "win" -- but will go along with them and act as if they believe the lies. That is their nature. Ron Paul is right, and I will vote for him. But others, such as Socrates and Galileo were also right.
Crickett
At least you were able to recognize it as Neo-Con babble.Most would have nodded and took it as Gospel.Recognizing the enemy is the first part of the battle.
You stepped into it
He didn't get to be the county party hack by not knowing his canned bullshit. We were fed the same bullshit at my state's Republican Headquarters. Glad I didn't eat before I went to that meeting.
'Team player' is code for 'be flexible with your principles, bend over and grab your ankles'.
Now you know. Be more prepared next time. Read Read Read.
In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that wins.
You never, ever hear Ron Paul back down from his principles. Sure, he didn't 'win', by their standards. But, it is possible. We have one great example in our history to go by: the founding fathers. They stuck to their principles, and they DID win.
Clarification
Crickett wrote:
"We went to war with Africa once. That's where the "Halls of Montezuma" thing came from."
In reality, President Jefferson took action against the Tripolitan pirates based in Libya and that's where "the shores of Tripoli" comes from in the Marine Hymn. The "Halls of Montezuma" refers to the Mexican War in 1848.
Well, I needed you there
Well, I needed you there with me, by God..he is a historian, with some sort of blinders on..but he bamboozeled me good. Is it true, as he said, that we only have had 13 years of peace the whole time? If so, whaddya say to that? Sheesh, if we have never KNOWN peace, how can we convince them it works? We have been in so many wars I do not even KNOW them all! I would NEVER have known we fought Africa... He also told me that the thing in the Constitution about the candidate with the second most votes becoming VP was NEVER followed from the beginning. This set a precedent not to follow it, I guess..
He also gave me the "living document" argument that I thought I would only hear from staunch Democrats..I countered with the amendment one, but it flew by him quickly.
What you witnessed
was psychic warfare,and one must be prepared to go into battle.You have to be one up on your opponent at all times so you can see their half truths and misleading statements.There is power in numbers so you would have been well served to have a partner with you to counter the misdirection.The forces against Contitutional Government were at work as it was written,so it may be plausible about the thirteen years,but I don't think that thirteen represents military conflict as much as Constitutional conflict.
Crickett, if this is true...
Your local GOP is DELUSIONAL. If the local GOP honestly think they can win by scrapping the bottom of the barrel and pulling up a McCain, a Romney, a Huckabee, etc....well, fugetaboutit...
Reaction
The best answer to such "arguments" is that the constitution provides the "radical middle", and not only the Democrats, but also the Republicans have deviated a lot in recent years. Bush & Cheney actually respresent a radical move to the right, while Paul remains in the middle, where most people are attracted to.
Also, for the GOP to win this year, you need a "maverick" that has broken with party line. Romney, Thompson, Huckabee or Giuliani represent in some way a continuation of Bush and McCain in the same way, as he voted 90% with Bush, while Paul I think - not sure - only about 65% or more. Thus Paul is the real maverick.
I disagree with his accessment of Perot, yes apart from Jesse Ventura's win later, the Reform Party did not gain anything permanent, but its insistence on fiscal conservatism lead directly to the GOP win in 1994 and restricted Clinton in spending, so Clinton was forced to be fiscal conservative. If you look at the Bush record, they has been the most fiscally liberal and important to call this out.
Also, only Paul address the USD and why the oil price is so high (not due to speculators) and the consequences for pocketbook issues.
How does he know
WHO the people would have voted for IF the media had covered the candidates equally and fairly? Most people didn't vote for Ron Paul because they had never heard of him...or his message...not because he was too conservative.
That's absolutely true.
That's absolutely true.
Part of the problem with this exciting adventure of a campaign was that it was started too late--in presidential politics, you cannot begin too early. A lot of people never heard of Ron Paul and are only beginning to do so.
Most of that was the fault of the mainstream media, but there was an element of surprise in the campaign as far as the general public was concerned.
SUPPORT OUR FOUNDERS' AMERICA
Support the Constitution of the United States
Yeah, the guy knew history.
But you are right to be confused about the Win-Win-Win thing. People just want to feel better about themselves by being on the winning side, no matter how immoral it is anymore. Keep the faith, and thanks for all you are doing.
That's not right about George Washington
He put a tax on liquor and the people rioted and so he had to call martial law.
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"We will never give up. We will never give in." - Dr. Ron Paul
It's funny...
that the history teachers always use the example of the Whiskey Rebellion to show that the government can tax whatever it wants at any rate it wants. However, they never tell you that their actions were overturned a year later. I love selective history.
When I went to public school they didn't even tell us about that
I don't know which is worse!
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"We will never give up. We will never give in." - Dr. Ron Paul
Sounds unsettlingly familiar....
At the Texas convention, I got into a discussion with a woman about the war. She brought up points about the various wars we've been fighting forever. Her arguments sounded striking like the ones you mentioned. The interesting part is that she learned most of this stuff from a presentation she had heard at a special event held for delegates. I forgot exactly what it was called, but I think "eagle" was in the name. It was one of a hand full of special events at the convention. I did not attend because it sounded like bullshit, but now I wish I had. Apparently, there is a whole book that goes with this thing. It sounds like someone is indoctrinating the part regulars with more American Empire bullshit. I guess I'll have to go study all our past wars to be able to argue with these ass holes.
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This IS interesting..a bunch
This IS interesting..a bunch of his comments sounded like some sort of indoctrination, but, as I had never heard it before, I was a bit dumbfounded. It is difficult to argue against points that you know are skewed, but you do not know exactly how. He CONTINUALLY said Dr. Paul was waaay too conservative to win over the majority of Americans, too. That may even be true, despite the media. Anyway, he made me feel like a little kid, and I am older than he is. If only I had at LEAST known about the Whiskey Rebellion
explained somewhat, above..if only I had known its NAME I could have gotten him, much less that the tax was repealed, because he had forgotten the name of that "war". sigh He ain't County Chair for nothin'...
Ron Paul being a
Ron Paul being a conservative is a good thing! dont let him fool you!
more americans will vote for a man with good self value and personal freedoms like ron paul!
thats why ron paul has brought us all here! we all love freedom and self value!
its just that man who told you all that stuff has his head up in the clouds thinking we need to have a mann like mccain to win, when in reality what we really need is just truth! and Ron Paul is the truth that we all need to discover!
The American people will not vote for someone
who looks like a physical weakling, someone with a scrawny neck who looks like he couldn't take a punch. Too many voters are driven by non-ideological considerations that are largely unconscious such as biometric desirability factors. John McCain's neck is nearly as big around as his head. He looks like he could take a punch. Ron Paul's head wobbles around on his scrawny neck when he talks, especially in TV interviews. It is a huge unconscious turnoff for many voters to the point they don't even consider him.
I was aware of these turnoff traits when I gave my $2,300 to Ron Paul and supported independent efforts on his behalf. I had dared to hope they might be surmountable. Indeed they might have been surmountable under extreme circumstances, which the Fed was successful in postponing. But since most Americans are still in beer-and-TV mode, ideas about monetary policy and more freedom than they think they have are not paramount in their selection process.
So using your argument they WILL vote for...
... an ex-Navy Seal and a triathlete who climbed Mt. Everest? Another reason to lobby for a Ventura/Paul (or vice versa) 2012 ticket.
I guess that's why
he got the most donations from the military?
Punch Punch Punch
Your assesment about being able to take or not take a punch is foolish and I think you are a bit punchy!
Paul has endured more than most Americans ever thought of.
Ask for a refund on your $2300 you don't deserve this treatment, then give it to McCain who can take it off your hands.
" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~
I think you missed his point.
McClarinJ said: "Too many voters are driven by non-ideological considerations that are largely unconscious such as biometric desirability factors."
McClarinJ is making a valid point about how the average American makes ignorant (probably subconscious) decisions about who is fit to be the Commander-in-Chief. Dr. Paul is, in fact, a smaller-framed guy, whereas McCain has a "beefier" carriage. I think McClarinJ uses phrases like "physical weakling" and "scrawny neck" to illustrate how the sheeple perceive of leadership.
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Moobi
"In questions of power, then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution." -- Thomas Jefferson
yep.....
and did you know George Washington was not our first president, but rather our first president UNDER the constitution!
From the BeeGees
"How could losers ever win?"
Good Live Copy
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wow, that is the most f'ed
wow, that is the most f'ed up thing ever. War with Africa? Wtf?
Crickett...
I feel your pain. Just contemplate this, though:
The motto of "Young Americans for Liberty" (the new C4L group for 18-39yros) is "Winning on Principle".
Seriously, meditate on that.
I think your time will come, with your county chairman (or else he'll just have to be replaced), once we start doing what that motto says. :-)
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interesting
but I think you should have told him more about Ron Paul and following the constitution, the patriot act, etc.! America has been in and out of wars, so what? If we get Ron Paul elected then the wars will cease for a little while at least. You should have talked back to him. He must be high up though, I remeber you come from the Huckabee/Clinton state of AR.
Tell him WE will win
Just wait until we have taken over the party. We will do it, its already begun. Run for your county committee. Don't let THEM win.
Also ask
Also ask him why the Republicans deserve to win. I'd love to hear an answer to that one.
Oooh..that was a GOOD
Oooh..that was a GOOD one..but since RP is a Republican, and his argument was based on the fact that RP was actually going against Republicans..argh.
Thank you all for your support tho. I picked my butt up off the floor and came here to report and all of your comments helped a LOT, plus I learned something. But he knew he made me feel like an idiot, which sucked.
If you can't beat 'em...
So the Chairman is of the mind that, in order to beat the Dems, the GOP must become like them? Sure, this might help the candidate with the (R) next to his name win the election, but if he/she loses integrity and principle in the process, that is a contemptible loss.
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Moobi
"In questions of power, then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution." -- Thomas Jefferson
Yeah George Washington
Good video on PBS about him 'n the Revolutionary War.
The rebellion about the tax thing was mentioned, the folks were distressed to find out about having to pay taxes. Afterall, wasn't this a motive behind the War. They thought that they were completely free from taxes. Surprise Surprise!
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Cry Some Blues
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Winning is good and all, but
Winning is good and all, but what do we win when we must sacrifice all of our principles and values about what is right in order to do so?
That guy was clearly
That guy was clearly sniffing the paint thinner for too long.
neoconned MOORE
I was watching an interview with MICHAEL MOORE speaking .He basicaly confirmed socialism implimentation by OBAMA. MOORE stated he thinks all corporate or profit seeking must be eliminated from any GOV'T run HEALTHCARE program. HE is against profit which made our HEALTHCARE system improvements beyond anyother in the World. PROFIT haters promote SOCIALISM. EVERYONE works for the least pay ,OF COURSE for the COMMON good. THIER idea of common good & my idea of common good, are NOT the same. PROFIT sparks competition & generates NEW ideas that other wise would not be sought.
America was built on PROFIT. NOW it has become a bad thing
THINK AGAIN,
says
If I'm understanding what
If I'm understanding what you wrote correctly, you stated that "GOV'T run healthcare programs" should not be profit-seeking. What is wrong with that?
The government shouldn't operate things in order to make profits. If we go that route then all of our taxes will eventually go up in order to increase profits. The government should simply do its job at the least possible expense.
If Doctors do not make a
If Doctors do not make a profit, what is the sense of paying for 8 years of medical training and out of their life. Medical schools would be closing right and left from lack of students...
Football season is here and it is indeed a team sport.
politics are not. Be an individual. Good job crickett now you know what their brainwashing people with ;)
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