sorry micheal I'm tired of this relaxed civil disobedience
Posted September 7th, 2008 by sentinel
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I've been posting alot aboutthe US bullshit lies against Russia not doing anything and now I see this, Bush and Cheney need to be locked up or shot very soon before they can cause anymore damage..................
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this is one of the ships over there
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Mount_Whitney_(LCC-20)
sounds pretty top notch, but it only looks like a small boat with barley any firepower.
Wow, there's a good way to
Wow, there's a good way to get the Secret Service looking after you and degrade the quality of the forums! Good job douchebag.
Civil Disobedience
I think they made it up so we would just sit down and take it. You'll notice the leaders of "peaceful" movements that have been successful have no problem using violence when the tables turn.
We need to get the police and military educated on the real deal and start marching on Bilderbergers, CFR, and other strategic targets.
Yes.
In fact, the police is our friend!
The military is our friend!
The secret service is (should be) our friend!
They all serve YOU, the american citizen. (I am not an american citizen) That's their nobel task.
They are for sure human beings.
Let's just make sure
we do'nt go off half cocked. We need to plan stages with reactions to different results. We have to be very strategic. We are in the peacefully make you aware stage now. If we do'nt see some light soon we go to civil disobediance. We have seen some positive press:) I've had some of my not so interested friends call me since the R4R and tell me how awesome Ron and all of us are and not only that saying how everyone they talk to just do'nt want to vote and wish Ron Paul was on the ballot. We are making a difference. Be patient just a bit longer. I think our level headedness is showing people we are not just fringe or ranting hippies. They are slowly but surely getting the MESSAGE !!!!!!!!!!
anger management
Before you bust a cap, consider that GERMANY ,A.K.A. the World Bank
has been cutting deals with Russia on the sly, without U.S. knowledge.
The Wo.Bk. is trying another inside move to get the U.S. into more war..
Russia stopped Georgia from keeping So. ODESSA from secession.
So. ODESSA is key to grabbing Georgia back into sov .union to control the flow of oil into Europe. When the wall came down in Germany the Russians cut a deal & now they want to renig. Europe wants U.S. to fight their war, over their oil,after letting the U.S. fight in Iraque on our own.
I told you before they want to sucker us. Spend our money & save their face . What they have on us I don't know yet. ANYONE .
says
good night
I'm fed up !
Yes, shhhhh. Go back to
Yes, shhhhh. Go back to sleep. Don't let all the murder and destruction and greed get to you. Just sleep.....
"You'll feel better in the morning".....
"Observe the masses,and do the opposite."
You will see
Civil disobedience if there is an attempt at war with Russia. There are too many awaken citizens now. We will resist that war. We will resist the draft that will be necessary to carry out that war. Here's to hope anyway.
With all that we put up with already
I'm not sure of that. When action is taken, it seems to successfully be rebuffed, ignored, discredited, shot down by a judge, killed, etc. The time for a major uprising is BEFORE a nuclear war. For pete sake.
Yes I agree
this country is self-destructively apathetic. However, I for one will be in the streets screaming foul play the moment we attempt to declare martial law or war on Russia or Iran. I know the other Ron Paul supporters will do the same. Hopefully by that point a large enough portion of the country will be willing to listen to what I'm yelling.
I don't think we've even
I don't think we've even begun to exercise civil disobedience.... and, I think that's only effective when done on a mass scale involving thousands-millions of people...
remember, that's what helped India reach independence....
I'm ready
I'm sick of it
Right there with ya,
Right there with ya, Sentinel.
Yes, glorious free India.
Yes, glorious free India. What a wonderful government they have now thanks to that civil disobedience.
"What a wonderful Inquisition
...they have now thanks to those teachings of Christ." Come on, man. That's called perversion. The idea of civil disobedience is powerful and affects real social and political change, however slowly it may regress when greed and power gets in the way again (in which history repeats itself and another generation has a new figure to rally behind). These people are examples, and inspire others, which is the good side of the battle against the inevitable tendencies of a central power to oppress those people. When all else fails (which basically means political overhaul and civil disobedience), then it's time to crack the knuckles, lace up the boots, and shoot to kill.
I suppose I'm just taking exception to your sarcasm concerning the merits of civil disobedience. I think it serves its purpose in affecting revolutionary social and political change in a non-violent manner, which I think is to be commended and something always to strive toward.
For liberty!! *gong*
And meanwhile, while we are
And meanwhile, while we are sitting their being disobedient the bad people go right on doing what they do all the time. Not taking notice because it doesn't matter.
Not to "them," no
My point is it matters down the line, and less people die and get their lives ruined for a hastily assembled and poorly-organized "revolution" that does not have the will of the populace behind it, nor the firepower to effectively fight the tyrannical establishment. Yes, LESS people die, despite your justified lamentations for the ridiculous number of murdered civilians around the world and those of us in our country dealing with the same fucking bullshit you're dealing with.
What happens in a violent revolution? Usually you come out of the fog searching for strong leaders who have the Answer to all our ills, and you wind up with a dictator. Unless you're advocating the pure results of a benevolent dictatorship (despite its inherent major flaws), I think the situation needs a bit more thought and grace before launching into full-scale conflict. Again, civil disobedience should come first, and when those options have been exhausted, then its time to fight. Believe me, I'll be right there with you on the front lines when it's time to kick some ass, but I think that time should come when other efforts have failed. Our own Revolution occurred after all attempts at peace had been exhausted, and then they went to war.
Can you explain more fully your line of thought, and how you see positive things arising from such suggestions?
For liberty!! *gong*
do any of you have a clue as to what is boiling right now
this is it people I hate to tell you but cheney is pushing some sick buttons and Bush is right there along for the ride. I've lost enough friends in war and I'm not gonna let them do this with russia. It's gonna end up really bad for "YOU".
LoL I like the new heading!
LoL I like the new heading!
I don't even understand why
You care what Lenny Bush from Michigan and Herbert Cheney from Indiana say about stuff anyway.
huh ?
what ?
I noticed no one had used any first names
and there's no crime against asking that question about regular guys. and to answer the original question. Heck yeah. Profiteering punks selling us all out and soiling our name around the world.
WHY IS IT A CRIME TO TALK EXECUTION ?
when people obviously deserve to be removed from the planet for the betermeant of everyone on the planet? We did the same thing to Hussien ? was he guilty ? Is that waht the media told you ? the guy hanging on the rope should have been cheney.
Justice is an illusion, my
Justice is an illusion, my friend. One of many for an elite group of people with an arsenal of such things; all designed to keep me and you in line
What you describe
is the perversion of "justice".
I think justice helps to keep an order in the society between people, to keep peace, freedom and prosperity. Don't forget, judges who decide are human beings as well.
It's not a "crime"
It's a "violation". Laws don't have to make sense. Reality remains real whether we approve of it or not.
Also, sentinel, I do not forget the millions murdered by the Fascist Occupation (1929 to present), I simply reject "solutions" that aggravate rather than ameliorate the situation. Or, in other words, "Making things worse doesn't make them any better." Free-lance executions sans trial is an endorsement of barbarism.
For all our talk of supporting Dr Paul and being strict Constitutionalists, why don’t we read the Constitution and realize that Dr Paul can be elected President without appearing on a single State ballot?
So when the system designed
So when the system designed to avoid vigilante justice no longer delivers justice, what other option do you propose?
Vigilante Justice
... of course. Everything in proper order is all.
America is at that awkward stage where it is too late to work within the system but too soon to start shooting the bastards.
--- Claire Wolfe
Ms Wolfe was certainly right when she wrote that, and she may still be right, but perhaps not. In retrospect things often seem so clear, but from right here in the thick of history, it's much harder to be so sure. Shoot or don't shoot, each must decide for himself. As for me, as long as civil order works more than it doesn't then I am "more disposed to suffer while evils are sufferable."
Well???
Well???
First things first
I am a fan of calm civil order (because I'm a wuss, probably) so I am disinclined to endorse your notion. Let's keep things in order, shall we? After all, I think we are the group that claims to support the Constitution.
First Impeachment (or expiration of term of office), then trial, and then execution. Personally I'd be in favor of public hangings for their mass murders, but I wouldn't quarrel with the firing squad if that's the decision of the court.
For all our talk of supporting Dr Paul and being strict Constitutionalists, why don’t we read the Constitution and realize that Dr Paul can be elected President without appearing on a single State ballot?
I agree
...though I wonder what happens when our corrupt system lets them go, or dispels any chances of them being indicted? Man, I agree with you so damn wholeheartedly on this, but I think the system is broken/corrupt to the point where considerations of "taking things into our own hands" must be addressed in anticipation of a public's will thwarted...
If they do get the firing squad, though, I hope they offer the nastiest-tasting cigarettes possible; tobacco that has been soaked in the excrement of a men's room toilet in a dive bar in south Detroit, and steadily gassed by frightened skunks, and dried with the wind from my Uncle's butt cheeks after Thanksgiving dinner. Mmm...justice!
For liberty!! *gong*
obviously you are forgetting the millions ?
Yes millions of innocentpeople that have been murdered . This is worse than Hitler now and they are american !
Before i delete this thing
i just want to make it even more evident that I Have absolutely no respect for either of them.
I think that wasting two bullets isn't even worth it. they should both be tied together like the Nazi's did and one bullet run through both.
now good night! They have destroyed the world !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, whadda ya think this
Yeah, whadda ya think this is, a free country or something??? Who do you think you are, Michael Reagan?
Seriously tho. Although I agree with your sentiments, we now live in a Union of States where you and also other people are responsible for your actions. Prolly should change it dude.
Please change your headline.
Michael is responsible for the content on this site and your headline could end up causing him grief.
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Not quite...
I didn't see the original headline and my comment is completely in general and is in regards to you mentioning that Michael is responsible for the content on this site.
You're only partly correct. Michael is responsible for the content on this site that he published, not what members publish.
Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act of 1996 states that:
"no provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider."
That's the law that all online companies use to successfully defend themselves from liability for what other people do on their websites, networks, etc.
I believe that publishers should remove problematic material from their sites and that they have the right to do so, but there is no obligation to do so nor any liability for what others post online. Essentially, as per the law, we are each responsible for our own individual actions.
true enough
but don't you think it's warranted ? they should have done them away when they murdered the first Iraqi civilian ? I will delete this thread but I'm severely pissed.
Right.
JM
You have to remember this site, infowars, and most other political info. sites ping out to D.C., Arlington Va., and the local area in Washington. I think we all know this. I'm for free speech, but I don't think we actually have it now. Well, without the oversight of our Gov.. So, I feel reluctant to state what I truthfully think on this subject. As for this subject, I think we'll be lucky if we see the flash.
You don't have to delete it sentinel.
Just make it less federally offensive.
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I understand your sentiment but getting Michael hauled off to
prison won't do us any good.
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Geez Just Being Here According To HR1955...
puts us all in a "certain category" hell even Bruce Fein and Vincent Bugliosi brought up capital punishment for people in the administration at the hearings.
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Agree
Agree
Umm yea
I have to agree with Lisa.