Ron Paul Delegates Voted for McCain

WTF??????????????? are they brain dead?? they do not deserve to be delegates....REAGAN WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN ELECTED..IF PEOPLE THOUGHT LIKE THAT !! can you imagine...the ford delegation saying "please vote for Ford..we want to show unity..."

I will say it ...any delegate that caved is a coward!!!!

..again Lincoln would never have gotten elected..had the delegates thought like you guys...What is unity??? we dont need unity we need the truth...

if I have the time and money..I would sue each of you ..who turned your back on all of us ..and Ron Paul....

I am just sick about this...

"give a little to get a lot"

What exactly did they get???

“The Massachusetts GOP really wanted to show unanimous support.”

Unanimous support simply for the sake of unanimous support? What exactly did they accomplish by doing so?

Considering we are a representative republic, all those who voted for Paul and his delegates have been disenfranchised.

pure and simple. I don't care what the argument on their behlf may be. NOTHING was sufficient enough of an argument for them to turn their backs on us. NOTHING. They were sent there to do something. Screw the Obama/McCain argument..it is simply more of the same party driven manipulation using fear of "the other". It doesn't matter one iota. They had a responsibility to us and their own children and I hope their just desserts are being plated right now.

You could have had the whole convention in my face and I have mentioned no other name that that of Ron Paul. I have to look in the mirror to shave...

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Having not been there the perspective is interesting to read, BUT ... how many times has Ron stood by principle and integrity year after year in the face of incredible pressure and cast a vote of dissention?

''It's not a conspiracy or a plan,'' Mr. Paul said. ''I come to those votes because I look at each one according to my promises.''

Ron Paul keeps his word. Our delegates should have as well.

Hi all,

I was an alternate delegate to the RNC and a RP supporter from MA. Please allow me to offer my personal perspective on this matter:

1) As soon as this went down I told my friends in my group that they embarrassed me and the first thing I was going to do when I got back was to go on the record and distinguish myself from their choice. I stood in stark opposition to those in favor of this deal. I pleaded with those involved not to accept it. I told them we could build bridges on top of character, not compromise. I explained to them that it would ignite a proverbial shit storm of the internet and would break the hearts of many in the revolution if we did this. I wasn't alone in opposing this either. There were quite a few of us, including Michael Nystrom.

2) Were I a delegate (and not an alternate) with a vote I would have abstained instead of voting for McCain.

3) Unlike some of the horror stories that came out of other states, our state GOP handled our participation in the MA delegation with integrity and respect from day one. Case and point: we had some ridiculous challenges levied against us by some embittered republicans in the state who lost to our representatives in the caucuses. The state party had all the rope they needed to hang us based strictly on the fact that we were Ron Paul supporters and they did NOT do that. They played by the rules, even though I'm sure it was uncomfortable for some of them. Even during the negotiations they encouraged us to do whatever was right for us. As far as I'm concerned the MA GOP is alright in my book. In fact I went on record with CNN and Restore the Republic TV a day before any of this happened to give credit where credit was due. I believe its important for the Revolution to know that it is possible to have respectful, open and honest relationships with people in their state party. In fact, I had conversations with members of the WV delegation and they worked well with their RP delegates as well. Not every state had the nightmare scenario NV did.

4) Now, all of that being said, and having gone on the record as having admonished my fellow RP supporters who opted for this deal, I'd like to make a few things clear:

a) NONE of us were every allowed to vote for Ron Paul because he was NOT on the roll call ballot. What you won't hear about Chris Blanc (my friend and delegate from MA who helped put the deal together) is how he spearheaded the on-the-ground initiative to GET Dr. Paul on the roll call ballot at the convention. He's the one that put that together. He's the one that pushed for that AFTER Drew Ivers and the Campaign for Liberty told us to forget about trying. Chris is the one that put his money where his mouth was when it came to defending unbound delegate's right to vote their conscience for Dr. Paul. He, my good friend Frank Capone and the RP supporters from WA were down on the floor with makeshift petitions and clipboards in hand having very difficult conversations with members of other delegations trying to complete a Hail Mary (as my friend Matt put it). (Props to the WA delegates for getting the endorsement of the Virgin Islands).

b) You also won't hear about how Chris paid out of his own pocket to attend the caucus. Or how he missed his kids' first day at school to go to the RNC. Or how he was the mastermind behind the "Ronald Reagan Republicans" slate that had us sweep our district caucus for Ron Paul. Chris is a good guy and even though I was screaming in his face on Wednesday night about all of this, I'm proud to be his friend.

c) Part of what we're fighting for in this revolution is the freedom for states to choose their own destiny. That's because we believe people closest to situations are best suited to make decisions about those situations. So, while I even I don't like what happened, I can't pretend to know what was right for those who decided to back the deal. Likewise, I don't believe anyone who was not there at that moment can pretend to understand - in full - what went down. I saw my friends TORN APART by this decision and I didn't like it one bit.

The next day I apologized to my friends. Not as a concession of my beliefs (I stand by what I would have chosen were I in that position). Rather because I was unkind to them. I was unkind to assume to have the right to choose for them. And while I had an opportunity to petition them to take my opinion to heart, when they didn't, I reacted, accosted them, accused them, judged them and berated them.

You know where that got me? I felt like an asshole. I felt awful because, when I looked in their eyes, I saw how sad they were.

I wish you saw how hard this was on all of us. This is coming from the main decenter in the group. I believe these are good people, patriots and Americans who had a tough choice to make and they made it. They chose. They could have run. They could have hid. But they were men and women about it - adults - and they own their responsibility and choice in the matter. And I respect that.

Life doesn't always throw softballs at you people. American politics at this level is definitely hardball. And while I'd like to think I'd never make another mistake in my life, I understand that's unlikely. There's a reason why Dr. Paul stand alone as Dr. No in congress - it's because this shit is NOT easy and it's not always clear what the right thing to do is... especially when you're young, inexperienced and under pressure.

I hope I don't come off like I'm making excuses for what happened. I told my friends they would have to pay the price for their decision and getting dragged across the coals is part of that. Unlike the liberals, I believe pain is a valuable teacher in life. That being said, I am petitioning you for compassion. Compassion like this:

"Love is patient, love is kind... it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails."

I believe what is done is done and while I don't like what happened, I respect my friend's right to choose their own path. In fact, that's a big reason why I joined this movement - to embrace others' freewill. I believe in time some of them will come to understand why I (and many of you) believe it was so important to stand in defiance.

In liberty,

Todd Michael Fay

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people can be corrupted by the evil doers with the right persuasion.

We, who were not there, probably cannot understand.

To me, there is NO excuse for giving up what we fought for. To "unite" the Republican party is the worst reason!

They prob just offered them money!!! why is that so hard to figure out?

The question that runs through my mind as I read the various justifications of why delegates gave in is: Does the end justify the means? To say "yes" to this question leads one down a very slippery slope, in my opinion. The thing that bothers me even more is that, even after compromising, one can't be assured that they will be granted "the end" that they hope for. In that case, one has gained nothing and lost their integrity in the process.

maybe some of the paul delegates were really neo con infiltrators? and were trying to destroy our morale by these reports of delegates switching over ... true paul supporters would never switch over

but, keep in mind. Even though I never heard Ron Paul say it directly, I believe he "folded", "was tricked", "caved in", whatever you want to call it. I belive he voted for George W Bush.

I'm not condoning or minimizing. I would like to think I would of been able to hold out and stick it to these scoundrels, but I wasn't there. I do know the pressure, threats and frustartion would of made me sick, maybe that's what the constituates saw in me and never elected me as a delegate in the first place.

We should expose these traitors and let everyone know exactly who they are so that they cannot repeat this again.

Let us not be taken over the hump again by these low lifes who explain themselves like used car salesmen.

Liars and Traitors will be there mark till they die!

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

Wow. What a bunch of spineless cowards.

WWRPD?

Granted, on the face of it, it looks like a sell out. But... when these folks get back to Massachusetts, they will be in with the Republican establishment. They will be looked at a little skittishly, but they should be able to participate in the party. As the old party regulars move out due to age or lack of interest, or whatever, these folks will still be there. In the mean time, we can continue to grow and young revolutionaries will have a person who's been there and can show them the ropes. If we go along to get along, we will eventually take the party back. They are shrinking, we are growing. If we fight them inside the party, we will be stonewalled at every turn.

never again. can we go to these people and personally ask for our money back? wow. I'm done donating. who can we trust? I want to know exactly WHO did this?

I cannot imagine the pressures and hostility directed at our delegates who did make it to the national convention. From what I've read here, some were threatened with expulsion, some were robbed, they were shadowed by creepy security guys, mikes were shut off, and some decided that they were making progress incorporating the Constitution into party considerations. From afar, I don't agree with voting for McCain but I am not in their shoes.

"Millionaire heiress Patty Hearst was kidnapped by the Symbionese Liberation Army. After two months in captivity, she actively took part in a robbery they were orchestrating. Her unsuccessful legal defense was that she suffered from Stockholm syndrome and was coerced into aiding the SLA." http://en.wikipedia.org/w...

On the other hand, some of our delegates and Rally speaker Kokesh disrupted McCain's speech and were dragged out.

I thought this Revolution was about principals before party?
I'm feeling sick and betrayed. Excuse me while I go throw up.

After getting "neoconned" last night, I can see why they may have done it. RP had NO WAY to make a dent in the system, nor become the nominee. The Republicans want to beat Obama, and are looking for "team players" to rise up in the party. If they had not done that, all the work they HAD done for infiltrating the GOP would have led to nothing. It seems like a travesty to us, but we were not there. If they were a member of the "team" for their state, and if the state Chair told them to vote Mc and they did NOT, they could kiss their "position" in the party goodbye. It may have been a very good move, under the horrendous circumstances. You got to know they were ALL true RP supporters. It costs thousands of dollars and a lot of effort within the party to become a delegate. Even if we helped raise money, we did not raise enough for all their expenses. Please do not think of these people as traitors. They may have done what they did to win the war, not this battle.

...is too good for these people.

Seriously.

(No actual horses were harmed in the posting of this message.)

These traitors from Massachusetts are not fully to be blamed, you see, we have many, many, nay, MANY very STUPID people who reside here in this state and the facts are that they keep electing the same people over and over and over again. My guess is these traitors were sent by the Kennedy, Kerry, and Stephen Lynch delegation!
All traitors to the people of the USA.
Those who took their oath of office and swore before the people and Almighty God to uphold and defend the constitution of the united states of America and then thumb their noses at everyone.

May God give them their just reward

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

Is it possible that they weren't even real Paul supporters to begin with? Think about it for a moment. All of us have been planning a stealth surprise with Ron Paul delegates. I think it's highly likely that in many cases, once that plan was figured out by the party, they infiltrated the Paul camp and put fake supporters in there, ones who would vote for him in the primary, ones who would act like they really supported him at the conventions, etc.

Did anyone really think they were going to let us just march into town and take over the convention? The delegate process is there so that the people can toss out a bad candidate and nominate someone who is worth it. But it's rigged from the beginning now days. McCain was the chosen one, and they were not going to let opinion be voiced otherwise.

So they do eveything they can to shut down our delegate revolt and any dissenting views. Dissent = treason, didn't you know?

Country First! Service!......... kind of makes me think a draft is possible. And if you don't want to fight in the military for empire, then you don't belong in this country. That's what I get from that message.

It reminds me of the bumper sticker that says something along the lines of "sacrifice for the state" ~ The State

JM
Now we not only have to fight the corrupt political system, we have to fight our own delegates. There must be some kind of mind control system taking hold of our delegates. Man, I find this hard to grasp. I've surely died and gone to hell.................

It sounds like 1984 double speak.We abandoned our principles but showed them they can't take us for granted.They even were able to brainwash the delegates,maybe our delegates should have had psyhic warfare training before they went to the Convention to represent America and the Ron Paul platform.