Wow, just read down further to some of the religion related comments. It is basically small potatoes to quibble about this when there are issues to discuss. Don't forget that our President used his faith to get elected and I haven't seen him once use his position to do anything particularly "Christ-like". Hmmm...let's see....pre-emptive wars, Katrina....do I really need to say anything else? Using the Rovian theory and playing the faith card are simple tricks used to mislead and control the public....kind of like how the "Muslim extremists" are using Islam in their spheres of influence. Hearing all of the "this is when I got religion" stories from the candidates make me want to both laugh and cry at the same time. Ridiculous.
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First is that to be considered Muslim, all you have to do is say to yourself "There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is His Prophet" with conviction, and then shower to symbolically "cleanse" yourself of your past....after this you are considered to be Muslim.
Another interesting point is that Shia Islam allows its followers to be deceitful about their beliefs, if necessary to protect themselves. This could be due to the historical bloodshed between Sunni and Shia, and could also not apply since I've not heard if Obama attended a Sunni or Shia madrassa.
Something to think about. I can't figure out what is truth and what is lie with all of this talk about Obama's childhood and past and it annoys me because it is being made deliberately confusing.
The Retrocon
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For the people that "don't care" about his muslim faith you must understand his faith is being used as a weapon against the west. Here's the system:
1) Get one young biracial boy from a mother who's been brainwashed into believing all whites are evil
2) Fund that woman from some Nazi foundation (in Barack's case the Ford Foundation)
3) Raise that boy from a young age in the twisted, fundamentalist muslim faith (the type that advocates murdering infidels)
4) Train him to publicly renounce that faith, but in private still practice
5) Hire a handler (someone to make sure Obama does all the things they want him to do) to lead him through college (in Barack's case Zbigniew Brzenski)
6) Start a christian faith to raise political capital (Barack even testifies that is what he did)
7) Become president and behind the scenes promote the handlers agenda
Barack is one brainwashed puppy dog. His mother specifically chose black men to date so she could be counterculture. Interracial dating isn't wrong, but dating because she thought it would be injurious to her own race is pathological and twisted.
Barack's Muslim faith will be used as an invisible weapon against the american people unless we announce it right now. His Kenyan heritage will also be used to further erode the elections of our president. I'm not saying Vote McCain, just don't let your voices be stifled due to your inability of a real choice.
Its a fake front. Look at #6. He uses his christianity to increase his political capital. He did this after 2000-so he's been "christian" since he lost his political race.
The irony is that Bush claims to be a Christian. Every leader claims to be whatever the popular religion is to the constituents.
It's easy, for example, to post the 10 commandments on the wall. Maybe we should pay more attention to whether or not someone actually follows the commandments and less attention to what they claim to be.
I'd take a good muslim over an evil christian any day, but it makes you wonder why he feels the need to lie.
But of course Obama supporters are just as dumb as McCain supporters. They are a bunch of anti war people supporting a pro war person, even though it is their number one issue. Only someone as smooth talking as Obama could pull that off!
Well, I was convinced that Obama was a smooth talker and a great orator - but maybe he's just good at reading? Check this out to see what happens when the teleprompters go out: http://www.youtube.com/wa...
Obama is known for being different on teleprompter than what he really is. That's not coming from me but is what they said in the Good Morning America segment on this exact topic: http://www.youtube.com/wa...
that you can try to use it against him, but he can say what he said on the article or say he was talking about his early years, before he found Christ when it was convenient for him when running for political office :D
if you are Muslim and deny it, are there dire consequences. He also had a little problem with the number of states in the United States. He also had a problem with his arm when it was time to pledge to our flag.
just another one of Obama's "urkel" moments "did I do that?"
so is he or isn't he? When I watched Stephanie Tubbs funeral it appeared the black caucus was patting themselves on the back about getting Obama the nomination-like it was planned for him for a long time-I say tread carefully on this one
I don't care what religion he practices... I only care about his policies, and his policies suck. Period.
Most Muslims, Christians, and Jews are good people... A few mess it up for the majority.
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Lisa,
what is the penalty for being a prostitute in the koran? what is the penalty in the koran for have an adulterous affair? what did Jesus say to people who were about to stone Mary Magdelin?
Show me where Obama has outlined "Afro-Marxist" policies. He proposes middle of the road Democratic policies that haven't worked for decades. Nothing new to see here.
lol look at all the obomba lovers here... a marxist with well know marxist votes as a senator with a record of socialism and I have to print everything for you dumb morons who are to lazy to read for yourselves?
give me a break! middle of the road democratic policies? you are a fool!
I wonder if we've ever had a christian President who made a christ-like decision?
You know...like turn the other cheek or love thy neighbor as thyself?
We could have probably eliminated the threat of islamofascism by extending a hand of friendship...by forgiveness and love...to Al Queda. But christian Presidents aren't bright enough to overcome darkness by shining a light.
Nevermind what I've written here...according to SIERRAHPBT below, and I agree, I am THE dumbest son of a bitch on dailypaul.
What an ego boost...I'm not just a dumb SOB, I am one of the dumbest! I love the intelligence of the typical christian. Basing one's education on a fairytale doesn't do much for one's mind power.
AJ... this is where you are stupid! just because a guy calls himself a "christian" DOEN NOT MEAN THAT HE IS! WAKE UP! just because your a catholic does not mean you are a christian! just because your a baptist does not mean you are a christian! TAKE OFF YOUR BLINDERS!
was a Christian president who lost all popularity because he refused to go to war with France. Since then, I don't know. But don't confuse real Christians like Ron Paul and John Adams with fake ones like George Bush. The fake ones are the ones to fear because they are the evil ones shoving their agenda down our throats and calling it Christian. Fascism carrying a cross wrapped in a flag.
I guess Ron Paul would have been a lousy president, according to your discourse.
Healthnut4freedom
"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6
Faith in politics
Wow, just read down further to some of the religion related comments. It is basically small potatoes to quibble about this when there are issues to discuss. Don't forget that our President used his faith to get elected and I haven't seen him once use his position to do anything particularly "Christ-like". Hmmm...let's see....pre-emptive wars, Katrina....do I really need to say anything else? Using the Rovian theory and playing the faith card are simple tricks used to mislead and control the public....kind of like how the "Muslim extremists" are using Islam in their spheres of influence. Hearing all of the "this is when I got religion" stories from the candidates make me want to both laugh and cry at the same time. Ridiculous.
The Retrocon
Hope for America, Ron Paul for President in 2008!
Two interesting things about Islam
First is that to be considered Muslim, all you have to do is say to yourself "There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is His Prophet" with conviction, and then shower to symbolically "cleanse" yourself of your past....after this you are considered to be Muslim.
Another interesting point is that Shia Islam allows its followers to be deceitful about their beliefs, if necessary to protect themselves. This could be due to the historical bloodshed between Sunni and Shia, and could also not apply since I've not heard if Obama attended a Sunni or Shia madrassa.
Something to think about. I can't figure out what is truth and what is lie with all of this talk about Obama's childhood and past and it annoys me because it is being made deliberately confusing.
The Retrocon
Hope for America, Ron Paul for President in 2008!
Don't worry AIPAC will keep Obama in line...
we are bought and paid for, that is why we support Ron Paul.
Read "Obama Nation"
For the people that "don't care" about his muslim faith you must understand his faith is being used as a weapon against the west. Here's the system:
1) Get one young biracial boy from a mother who's been brainwashed into believing all whites are evil
2) Fund that woman from some Nazi foundation (in Barack's case the Ford Foundation)
3) Raise that boy from a young age in the twisted, fundamentalist muslim faith (the type that advocates murdering infidels)
4) Train him to publicly renounce that faith, but in private still practice
5) Hire a handler (someone to make sure Obama does all the things they want him to do) to lead him through college (in Barack's case Zbigniew Brzenski)
6) Start a christian faith to raise political capital (Barack even testifies that is what he did)
7) Become president and behind the scenes promote the handlers agenda
Barack is one brainwashed puppy dog. His mother specifically chose black men to date so she could be counterculture. Interracial dating isn't wrong, but dating because she thought it would be injurious to her own race is pathological and twisted.
Barack's Muslim faith will be used as an invisible weapon against the american people unless we announce it right now. His Kenyan heritage will also be used to further erode the elections of our president. I'm not saying Vote McCain, just don't let your voices be stifled due to your inability of a real choice.
#4 - publicly renounce his faith but in private still practice
Let's face it, no muslim can renounce his/her faith and expect to live. Muslims kill people who convert to Christianity.
He never converted
Its a fake front. Look at #6. He uses his christianity to increase his political capital. He did this after 2000-so he's been "christian" since he lost his political race.
Ha Ha
The King James Version..good one, Lisa!
I hope he is muslim
Perhaps he would leave the middle east alone.
The irony is that Bush claims to be a Christian. Every leader claims to be whatever the popular religion is to the constituents.
It's easy, for example, to post the 10 commandments on the wall. Maybe we should pay more attention to whether or not someone actually follows the commandments and less attention to what they claim to be.
I'd take a good muslim over an evil christian any day, but it makes you wonder why he feels the need to lie.
But of course Obama supporters are just as dumb as McCain supporters. They are a bunch of anti war people supporting a pro war person, even though it is their number one issue. Only someone as smooth talking as Obama could pull that off!
lol for a thousand years
lol for a thousand years muslims have been killing muslims.. you think obomba would get out of the middle east??
for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
Well, I was convinced that
Well, I was convinced that Obama was a smooth talker and a great orator - but maybe he's just good at reading? Check this out to see what happens when the teleprompters go out: http://www.youtube.com/wa...
Obama is known for being different on teleprompter than what he really is. That's not coming from me but is what they said in the Good Morning America segment on this exact topic: http://www.youtube.com/wa...
I agree with the last.....
comment, what he said is of little importance, it's beating a dead horse.
I understood what he was meaning to say
and so did Stephanopoulos. This video doesn't proove anything except that Obama misplaced a word.
With all of the faults you can find in Obama, don't make this 'slip-up' a big deal .Focus on the real issues.
and what are the real
and what are the real issues? you think this was just a slip up? why do so many on here defend this leftist commie bastard!
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
it seems.......
that you can try to use it against him, but he can say what he said on the article or say he was talking about his early years, before he found Christ when it was convenient for him when running for political office :D
Hmm
if you are Muslim and deny it, are there dire consequences. He also had a little problem with the number of states in the United States. He also had a problem with his arm when it was time to pledge to our flag.
No offence... but...
pleding to our flag now days is nothing more than mass forced nationalism.
What are you, a member of
What are you, a member of the Spanish Inquisition? Religious nuts drive me crazy.
just another one of Obama's
just another one of Obama's "urkel" moments "did I do that?"
so is he or isn't he? When I watched Stephanie Tubbs funeral it appeared the black caucus was patting themselves on the back about getting Obama the nomination-like it was planned for him for a long time-I say tread carefully on this one
"Ideas have consequences." Ron Paul
It's not what faith he
It's not what faith he belives in, it's that fact he was caught
in a lie. If he can't tell the truth about his faith, what else is he
hiding ?
Good point.
Good point.
I don't care what religion
I don't care what religion he practices... I only care about his policies, and his policies suck. Period.
Most Muslims, Christians, and Jews are good people... A few mess it up for the majority.
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have you ever read the
have you ever read the koran? so those good muslims are of to treat women the way they do?
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
There are a few "korans",
There are a few "korans", which one are you talking about?
who cares?! for me and my
who cares?!
for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
The King James Version.
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Lisa, what is the penalty
Lisa,
what is the penalty for being a prostitute in the koran? what is the penalty in the koran for have an adulterous affair? what did Jesus say to people who were about to stone Mary Magdelin?
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
I've never read the Koran
but some people would say the same thing about the Bible.
You said it!
Libera me, let the truth break, what my fears make--Leslie Phillips
exacly what ron said about romney
well said...
Rather it Be a Muslim that Follows The
Constitution than one of these "Christians" as they define what constitutes Christianity.
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
the problem is, is that the
the problem is, is that the koran is in direct opposition to the constitution.
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
Go to the Constitution
Go to the Constitution Party's web site for more "color" on philosophies in opposition to the Constitution.
that's weak
it seems to me that he was talking about the dumb email attacks on him being a secret Muslim.
sorry but
I will never vote for a muslim...he's not even a decent human being
Interesting
I would be more inclined to vote for Obama if he were a Muslim. Sure would make AIPAC go crazy, wouldn't it?
lol a slip of the
lol a slip of the toungue!
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
Who really gives a bloody
Who really gives a bloody damn what his religion is? What does it have to do with US policies? Nothing.
if you believe that that
if you believe that that afromarxists faith has nothing to do with his policies your crazy!
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
Show me where Obama has
Show me where Obama has outlined "Afro-Marxist" policies. He proposes middle of the road Democratic policies that haven't worked for decades. Nothing new to see here.
another dumb SOB! if you
another dumb SOB! if you do not see any marxist crap out of obomba your blind, dumb and ignorant!
If you can't back your
If you can't back your claims up, you're the dumb SOB.
lol look at all the obomba
lol look at all the obomba lovers here... a marxist with well know marxist votes as a senator with a record of socialism and I have to print everything for you dumb morons who are to lazy to read for yourselves?
give me a break! middle of the road democratic policies? you are a fool!
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
Actually, we're all in love
Actually, we're all in love with you, Sierra. But you keep pushing us away.
christian Presidents?
I wonder if we've ever had a christian President who made a christ-like decision?
You know...like turn the other cheek or love thy neighbor as thyself?
We could have probably eliminated the threat of islamofascism by extending a hand of friendship...by forgiveness and love...to Al Queda. But christian Presidents aren't bright enough to overcome darkness by shining a light.
Nevermind what I've written here...according to SIERRAHPBT below, and I agree, I am THE dumbest son of a bitch on dailypaul.
What an ego boost...I'm not just a dumb SOB, I am one of the dumbest! I love the intelligence of the typical christian. Basing one's education on a fairytale doesn't do much for one's mind power.
AJ... this is where you are
AJ... this is where you are stupid! just because a guy calls himself a "christian" DOEN NOT MEAN THAT HE IS! WAKE UP! just because your a catholic does not mean you are a christian! just because your a baptist does not mean you are a christian! TAKE OFF YOUR BLINDERS!
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
Christians... what a kooky
Christians... what a kooky bunch. LMAO.
That comment was not called for
and was not conducive to civil discourse.
you just don't get it do
you just don't get it do you??!!!!
for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
John Adams
was a Christian president who lost all popularity because he refused to go to war with France. Since then, I don't know. But don't confuse real Christians like Ron Paul and John Adams with fake ones like George Bush. The fake ones are the ones to fear because they are the evil ones shoving their agenda down our throats and calling it Christian. Fascism carrying a cross wrapped in a flag.
I guess Ron Paul would have been a lousy president, according to your discourse.
Healthnut4freedom
"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6
on the other hand
Fortune Favors the Bold
Adams also signed into law the alien and sedition acts, which were very specifically tailored to suppress the Federalists' political oponents.
Nothing to do with christianity, but something to keep in mind.