We Agree - Paul, Baldwin, McKinney, Nader Statement
The Republican/Democrat duopoly has, for far too long, ignored the most important issues facing our nation. However, alternate candidates Chuck Baldwin, Cynthia McKinney, and Ralph Nader agree with Ron Paul on four key principles central to the health of our nation. These principles should be key in the considerations of every voter this November and in every election.
We Agree
Foreign Policy: The Iraq War must end as quickly as possible with removal of all our soldiers from the region. We must initiate the return of our soldiers from around the world, including Korea, Japan, Europe and the entire Middle East. We must cease the war propaganda, threats of a blockade and plans for attacks on Iran, nor should we re-ignite the cold war with Russia over Georgia. We must be willing to talk to all countries and offer friendship and trade and travel to all who are willing. We must take off the table the threat of a nuclear first strike against all nations.
Privacy: We must protect the privacy and civil liberties of all persons under US jurisdiction. We must repeal or radically change the Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, and the FISA legislation. We must reject the notion and practice of torture, eliminations of habeas corpus, secret tribunals, and secret prisons. We must deny immunity for corporations that spy willingly on the people for the benefit of the government. We must reject the unitary presidency, the illegal use of signing statements and excessive use of executive orders.
The National Debt: We believe that there should be no increase in the national debt. The burden of debt placed on the next generation is unjust and already threatening our economy and the value of our dollar. We must pay our bills as we go along and not unfairly place this burden on a future generation.
The Federal Reserve: We seek a thorough investigation, evaluation and audit of the Federal Reserve System and its cozy relationships with the banking, corporate, and other financial institutions. The arbitrary power to create money and credit out of thin air behind closed doors for the benefit of commercial interests must be ended. There should be no taxpayer bailouts of corporations and no corporate subsidies. Corporations should be aggressively prosecuted for their crimes and frauds.
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Link doesn't direct to statement.
It says the usual "address not found".
pretty pathetic that C4L
pretty pathetic that C4L would de-link such a momentous document.
found this....
http://www.campaignforlib...
In a search. It may have gotten lost in a restructure, but I agree, this should have been kept in a prominent place as a big deal. A litmus test for potential candidates, supporters and pundits.
This statement brought 4 disparate platforms together. If it can do that, it can be used in bringing many into the fold...
Thanks for the posting
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, then you win!"
GANDHI
bump for bare minimum to be
bump for bare minimum to be called one of us. bump for litmus test, written beautifully and clearly.
And the reason...
Barr was shunned by his own(not really) party... Thanks for the flashback, and any politician that agrees to this statement should be considered superior to any incumbent (except RP of course), regardless of their ticket.
That Paul/Palin article and
That Paul/Palin article and the Beck controversy here reminded me of it. I posted an explanation of why Palin was nothing like Paul according to these 4 points on the article, but it hasnt been accepted yet. Kind of wierd, considering rigth before it I made a post comparing a Romneybot to Hitler Youth, so who knows :)
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We can still win
Ron Paul's joint press conference stopped short of a winning strategy. If the Constitution Party, Libertarian party, and Ron Paul Republicans continue to each work alone, the pro-liberty forces will definitely lose the election.
However, if they immediately come together and form a single Liberty Party, while we might not win the presidency this time, we can certainly become a major force in American politics. These three organizations agree on 90% of the issues.
Imagine this. By merging the Constitution and Libertarian parties both immediately double in size. Add in Ron Paul's tens of thousands of activists and million+ supporters, and you instantly have a force to be reckoned with.
In most states the parties are allowed to substitute Ron Paul's name if their previously chosen candidate withdraws. We put up Paul/Baldwin or Paul/Barr slate, and most Americans will have a real choice.
Further, this will get major headlines. This story is too huge to ignore. People will finally know there is an alternative worth voting for.
See www.libertyparty.org for details.
We Agree
I have been emailing this statement to all of the candidates running here in KS and asking for a response to each issue listed in order to help me make an informed decision the election. I haven't heard back yet but will report back.
Everybody should do the same.
If it's meant to be it's up to WE!
Et tu Barrus???
Pawnstorm
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he is answering our questions
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No more Bob Barr
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Michael, this is crap and must be removed
Ron Paul would not do this to any candidate.
I will continue my support and vote for the LP nominee.
I support the 4 principles of agreement among third party candidates.
Bob Barr has done nothing to cantradict the agreement.
Of course it would have been nice to have him join the press conference, but he did nothing to disrupt the content and intent of the candidates and Ron Paul.
Bob Barr is my choice by political expediency.
He has done nothing to harm pong32 or any other party or candidate.
This petition is more damaging and mean spirited than even McCain and Obama.
Michael, you must stop this now. These newbies are trying my patience, and you know that I was one of the first to join Daily Paul, as well as being one of the earliest supporters of Ron Paul.
pong32, or whatever his real name is, has contaminated this forum with knee-jerk vitreol.
From this point on, I consider anyone, who beleagers this ridiculous rant against my candidate, as a cop or mole. There is no whining in politics.
Get your heads out of your asses.
Don't Worry!
Don't worry, Edward, petitions against Bob Barr in the political underworld are like petitions against unicorns. No one knows who he is, and no one cares.
I don't like Bob Barr, but I won't sign a petition for him to "go away" - he was never here. Barr will get his 100 thousand voters, which is .03 percent of the American public, and his name will never pop up again.
The Libertarian Party will still be purists in 2012. By then the Revolution will have expanded, the two party system will be in shambles, and 3 or 4 liberty candidates will be on the ballot. The Libertarian party will run another moustached freak, and get 100 thousand votes. So don't worry!
I agree, Ron Paul would
never do this to another candidate. Chuck Baldwin is my candidate. :)
I really hope...
...that these four will see what's going on here - and what's at stake - and unify behind one banner. They can bring a lot of supporters with them and we can add a whole lot more over the coming months.
Yes - votes will be taken away from McBama as things stand, but unless they're funnelled towards one candidate (my personal vote would be for Chuck Baldwin and the Constitution Party) then we'll still end up with either douchebag number 1 or douchebag number 2 in the Oval office.
Yes - this will all be great for 2012 as we'll be able to make headway towards levelling the playing field in the interim years - but I seriously worry how much country will be left to salvage once the next election rolls around.
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Live Free or Die - Amen to that
you miss the point entirely
It is almost a guarantee that a giant douche or a turd sandwich (South Park reference anyone?) will be the next president. The point that RP was trying to make is that all of the voters out there who are not passionate in their support for McBama should vote for a 3rd party candidate. EVEN IF THIS VOTE IS SPREAD AMONGST ALL THE CANDIDATES AND IT IS DILUTED, the total number of votes going to someone who is not a Republicrat or Demoblican is the only thing that will cause the establishment to wake up to the fact that we have figured out the charade. They will be forced to change the rules of the game for future elections for fear of losing all their power. This election cycle is going to be all about educating the "average clueless voter" as to how this country really works and about sending a message to the scum who run things behind the scene. By forcing the voters out there to recognize that these two parties/candidates are both the same (and hence it doesn't matter which one wins) then they will feel free to vote for a candidate outside the establishment. For the first time ever they will not be wasting their vote. even though a third party candidate (probably) won't win, all the votes for these various candidates will be a very powerful message.
$$$$$$$
This will take money, but I believe this could be done.
Be the Miracle!
BoBarr's Motivation Should Be Questioned
RP's announcement signals that he doesn't EVER believe that the Republican party can be positively changed from the inside. I don't think BoBarr is there with RP on this. BoBarr doesn't really understand what RP is trying to accomplish. This agreement on four principles is very important and signifies a fundamental shift toward unity. If BoBarr doesn't want to be a part of that movement, then it is fair to question his motivations for running for President in the first place.
The closer the Republicans and the Democrats are on policy, the easier it would be to simply form an "opposition" party; if for nothing else, to inject REAL issues into the debate for the Presidency. That is what is going on here. BoBarr either just doesn't get it, or he has furtive intentions.
So this statement was a bit
So this statement was a bit disappointing, and didn't really accomplish much. Will anybody even remember or notice that this event even took place?
The ball is in our court, so what do we do now?
Actually
I thought it was quite powerful. All of the candidates were remarkably well spoken. The entire thing was replayed on C-Span last night, and several of the candidates were interviewed on major networks subsequently. Yesterday and this a.m. we saw a number of MSM articles to boot. It's bringing the bedrock issues a little more to the fore and holding the media's feet to the fire for its various shortcomings. A success, in my view!
someone clarify.... did Bob
someone clarify.... did Bob Barr not agree to this by not attending the press conference? Or is his name just not included because of his dickish actions today.....
because if that's the case, even though he was kind of an ass, that's no reason to exclude him if his beliefs are still the same.
Bob Barr does agree
Bob Barr does agree with the four points, he said so almost dismissively at his press conference. I believe he did not attend Paul's conference because he was pissed that Paul would not endorse him.
I might be a newbie here, but I have been a member of the LP since 1980. I have supported Paul for over 20 years.
Barr made a bad mistake. It's up to him and maybe Paul to rectify it.
If they want to.
it doesn't matter which third party candidate you vote for...
just so long as you vote against the duopoly of the dems and gop...so there it is...everybody votes third party and let the chips fall where they may...oruval, i yield the floor to you
O Captain, My Captain, rise up and hear the bells!
I'm so excited
This is exactly what I was hoping Ron Paul was going to announce.
These four points are the most important issues we must focus on.
We have the Greens, Constitutionists, Ron Paul supporters, and
the Independents together.
I believe Barr is on the wrong side of the Libertarian Party. The
Koch brothers Energy Corp./Cato Institute/Neocon faction.
Michael, was Dennis Kucinich asked to join on these four points?
Thanks Ron Paul and staff for bringing us all together.
THESE POINTS
And the agreement of the THIRD party candidates to them, AS OPPOSED to the TWO party candidates, is what was important about today. The point is that the MAJOR party candidates do NOT agree to these crucial points! And THESE are things that MOST Americans agree on. So the populace is not being given a true choice! Maybe Dr. Paul opened a few eyes today to what our elections SHOULD be about!
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"Not armies, not nations, have advanced the race;
but here and there, in the course of ages,
an individual has stood up
and cast his shadow over the world."
I agree
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Four points made for millions to absorb
I like the shortness very much.
Even people not reading much can absorb it, like these dissatified Millions of people who are part of the 37 Mio. (only 1 Mio less than the people watching Obama's DNC-speech) watching VP-candidate Palin's RNC speech.
all the reasons why I
all the reasons why I support Dr Paul ......plus abolish the IRS
I clicked thru all the news channels & C-SPAN
starting at 7am. I saw NOTHING about this news conference for the 2 hrs that I surfed. All I saw was: Hurricane Ike, the two people rescued at sea, Obama talking about his "Lipstick on a pig" statement (& the full of pig shit ad that McInsane immediately put out about it) & Palin at a rally. There was zip about Ron Paul. When I saw Palin speaking, McInsane was standing slightly behind her, with his wife Cindy behind him. To me, he looked like a pimp with his ho's. All he needed was a diamond in his tooth. He's so proud of Palin; she's bringing the votes/money home to her daddy. I'm thinking Hillary is in her mansion wishing she had only taken up arms against Bill when he two-timed her with a hussy. "Why didn't I just get out there on the White House lawn with a 30.06 & show the world how good I look with a gun in my hand!"
Um, give a little get a little?
Can't some of them just step down so all of us from all third parties and independents can throw support toward one candidate? This is our only chance...and by being so fractured we will lose it. I would be willing to vote green, or any of these 3 if the other 2 stepped down. We need to make a big push, and not be relegated to the trash bin of history.
Support CM
My support for CM (now) is just cynical...plus I have some respect for her courage and the green ideals.
Cynicism: she has everything that matters most this election. She's black like Obama, and she's female like McCain.
What could be better than a black female with independent courage?
Is that it??
Where are the words that are so simple to put into place. Re-instate the Constitutional Republic, abolish the FED ( they already know what it is about, why inspect it) , abolish the IRS ( same scenerio), stop NAFTA, repeal Patriot Act ( not alter, since it is unconstitutional, period), US Treasury to create metal based currency. There is a whole lot missing in this agreement to get any support from me. Ron Pauls platform is sorely missing in this if this is all there is. If the fundamentas listed here are not part of it we will be right back to square one. Do they need us to take 10 minutes and write it up?
Take 10 minutes and write it up, please !
Deerefly sez, Victory has a good idea here!
And his " wish list" looks great to me ! Basics !
He, and anyone else who agrees, could goto ( www dot fusionassembly dot org ) and post your "wish list" there after looking around some.
or just email it to ( info at fusionassembly dot org ) . Also, copy in DailyPaul, Campaign For Liberty, CP, GP, IP, and LP.
Remember, we are not all likely to agree on everything on every one else's wish list, but we are already agreed that Obamination and McSame are NOT getting our votes. So, let's work up from there.
Also, expect the trolls to attempt to infiltrate and dismember us.
Michael could moderate them off, but this way we leave them free to be the a--holes they are and identify themselves too - maybe for later actions. Isn' t that what their handlers plan for some of us? So, what's good for the goose will also fit around the neck of the gander ( Read about Queen Esther and how Mordecai escaped the gallows and Haman got his neck stretched instead. What goes around, comes around ! )
Not a wish list
A demand list
A Grassroots Revolution Manifesto to be agreeded to by written signature to any candidate that wants our support. Asking too much? Not at all because this is what was the foundation that our country had originally and was subverted, the platform that Ron Paul ran on, and the principals that the grassroot movements fire spread from. Anything less at this point would not make the necessary changes in time.
1. A full return to the Constitutional Republic and all that implies ( maybe
a disolvement of all parties and a simple voting system of a person, not
a party).
2. A complete dismantlement of the present electronic voting system to
be replaced by a secure paper ballot system).
3. Bring all of our troops home immediately
4. No further foreign intervention
5. War by declaration and voted by Congress only
6. Abolish the FED
7. Abolish the IRS
8. Treasury of the US to print currency backed by precious metals
9. Repeal the Patriot Act, FISA, Homeland Security, FEMA, NAFTA and
any act, legistlature, group that is unconstitutional.
10. Secure our borders
11. Hold investigations of any suspected criminal activity that has taken
place within our governement at any level and hold those people
completely accountable within our existing law.
12.Dismantle the existing CORPORATE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
and all departments and offices under it.
This didn't even take 10 minutes to write actually.
I think I understand the Independent party candidates agreed upon points
was intended for the sleeping masses who thought they only had the 2 parties, but for us that know the whole picture we must know that those
agreed upon points are far from what our Revolution wants changed.
Let anyone and everyone, all parties, all candidates drop all of the labels and ego posturing and pull together and merge if they are sincere about really turning our country around in time.
To those that think this won't, can't , no way, no how happen and it is totally fantasy to even ask for. Maybe it is but how do we know unless we go for it. I was under the impression that all of the above was what the Ron Paul Revolution was about not settling for a vote that will never get counted. Any candidate that wants support from a Ron Paul supporter should have no trouble agreeing on the platform that he ran on, right?
Note about McKinney and Federal Reserve
She does want to abolish it. Rather, she wants to fully "nationalize" it.
The complete wrong way to go about it...
At least now it is partly private...
We do want to "nationalize"
We do want to "nationalize" it. That what is says in the Constitution. The Congress will have the power to coin money.
Unless, she has some other plan rather than reverting to the Constitution.
Umm, that is not Ron Paul's position
he is for free-market money and free-banking.
Re: "the power to coin money", I'm sure Ron favors a constitutional amendment on that.
atrickpay, you're fulla crap
There's nothing wrong with Congress COINing money.
COIN.
Did you misread the word COIN? We've been hypnotized for decades into seeing something other than COIN in that section of the Constitution, but COIN is what is actually written there.
:-)
(BTW, I'm capitalizing it purely to draw the eye to it. I'm not an agent of the Queen of England or the Rothschilds, nor am I trying to sucker anyone into an invisible adhesion contract or a non-allodial title of nobility.)
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Haha, let me guess...
you don't have a problem with the government delivering the mail either?
ps. where are the bureaucrats going to get the funds to coin money? Don' tell me stealing (ie. taxation)...
exactly why should the control of the nations money supply
be private, or in the hands of essentially one unelected, but appointed by another single man (the president), person? Lets take it out of the political process and give it to one man? A thoroughly undemocratic, unconstitutional idea for such an important role.
I think we need to remember that being "private" does not necessarily mean subject to the free market...in this case, its incredible power in fewer unaccountable hands. The current financial disaster is a direct result of noone sensibly regulating the financial markets and giving Wall Street a blank check...on your account.
The Fed is unaccountable as currently setup, but abolishing it simply isnt gonna happen in one fell swoop. So, an ally is an ally. Perhaps its now the Evolution!
Yes, "private" does not necessarily mean
subject to the free-market. That's why I said "partly private."
But is it?
the ownership of the fed is a mystery, but we know that the US govt does not have an interest. It is private and secret...and operated for the benefit of the major financial institutions which may very well own it, for all we know.
Whatever...
The problem is that that Cynthia McKinney is for socialized money and banking.
so youd rather have the economy regulated by and for
a small group of secret actors (in the name of public welfare without any "market" accountability for their actions), as it is today. Its a defendable (though hardly impervious) position, without just calling a name and sayin' whatever.
She's for far more than that -- I read her platform and vomited.
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if "socialized" finance can be thought of
as "regulated" finance, I think we come closer to more effective thinking, less dogmatic thinking. Unregulated finance that is too big to fail has been a disaster.
What are you talking about?
When have we ever had "unregulated finance"? So, if it hasn't existed, how can it justly be called a "failure"?
ps. I agree that "regulated" is probably the better adjective for banking (I don't think she supports socialized banks). However afaik, Cynthia is a supporter of socialized money.
the investment banks
were purposefully put outside the Fed ring and their activities and those of other large financial entities have been afforded much less oversight than banks.