RE: Bob Barr From DON RASMUSSEN, Events Coordinator, C4L

You folks need to grow up a little bit and realize that it's not a perfect world. Bob Barr has done nothing to deserve the kind of childish spitefulness that has become a routine on this forum. Maybe the name of this site should be changed to the "Daily Pout".

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"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels

Found this quite by accident on another site. It could be useful, especially for the one-line newbies. I found it useful myself, and am trying to incorporate its rules.

I don't say anything that does not have to be said, and stand by everything unless retracted. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

http://ca.youtube.com/wat...

Please don't post any further criticism until you view the above short and delightful clip. One-liners need not reply.

I just attempted to get on Barr's website so I could let his campaign know my full displeasure with Barr's decision not to stand by Ron Paul. My guess is that several others are trying to do the same since his site is currently DOWN! I bet Barr wishes he could take a mulligan on yesterday! I wish I could take back my temporary support for him.
-MarineForLiberty

“There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.”
-Marine Major General Smedley Butler

YOU SIR, ARE A MORON!!!!

from: Edward Cohen
to: Libertarian Party < info@lp.org >
Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:11 PM
Re: To our supporters and volunteers
mailed-bygmail.com

Robert Kraus
Acting Executive Director

Dear Robert,

I agree with everything in your letter of Sept. 10 and more. I do not disagree with either your logic or account of events. Here's the thing.

In spite of all the shit-heads that allegedly worked and still work for Ron Paul, I am a little younger than Ron; do not look for me to run for president now or ever. I would do it, as Ron did, if some prick stroked me and pleaded endlessly to get me to run again. But, not of my own volition.

We are between a rock and a hard place, as always.

Even I, initially, felt as one of the LP nominees publicly stated immediately following Bob's nomination. Even though Ron and other conservatives spoke glowingly of Bob's public life in the past, I preferred at least 5 other nominees over Bob. I instinctively decided to bolt the LP ticket, unlike in the past, and throw my support to Cynthia McKinney.

Naturally, I feel foolish now, given my unflinching dedication to liberty and devolution. Nevertheless, Ron is still between a rock and a hard place regarding Chuck Baldwin, an outspoken supporter of Ron Paul, as we all have been.

The problem is not so much the division caused by Ron Paul's indifference to LP candidate Bob Barr, but, more so, the ridiculous fissure between CP and LP, which is hardly measurable by any conservative logic. Chuck Baldwin will not always be the charismatic leader of CP, and many in his party have told me, personally, that CP's albatross has been the exclusion of seculars.

I suppose that CP might lose a few people if they drop the abortion plank, but the net increase in cohesive conservative support would more than double in the event of merger with LP.

I have my own beef with Ralph Nader, for whom I consulted this year pro bono. If you think Ron Paul's people are scurvy, you ain't seen nothing yet. Ralph is an old fool who is at the mercy of ambitious punks who market Ralph's books and lectures, and cover their salaries and per diem with matching election funds. For a con, it is a thing of beauty. Ralph willingly sucks in the attention as Ron has done, despite the painfully obvious differences between them.

Point is, we suck it up every moment of our pitiful lives. Nobody benefits by electioneering on the terms of our opponents. This situation is by design, and not by happenstance.

The first order of the day is convergence of LP and CP in states where both have ballot placement.
Nothing can be done with Greens and Nader pukes, at least, for the moment. A merger of conservatives would be undeniably formidable, leaving the liberal pukes wondering what ever happened to progressive electioneering.

We all remember what happened when Harry Browne was the LP candidate. I see 2008 as more of the same, a surge, if you will. Fluctuation is anathema to real politics. It is akin to hero worship.

Don't think of it as building a revolution, as Ronulan newbies and NIMBY's so gleefully propose.
To me, it is just good politics. The Ronulans will soon lose interest, as most already have. I no longer have the time or inclination to court their brief attention, and neither do you. You and I are leaders, as are many if not most LP members. It is not our fault that others cannot think outside the box.

I propose that we continue identifying our fellow conservatives and give them a place to roost. I support Bob Barr because it is politically expedient. LP is (the) beacon of conservatism, and if it were easy, everyone would be doing it.

Once again, thank you for all you do. I remain,

Edward Cohen, edin08
Maine GOP write-in
2008 US Senate primary

www.dobsonforsenate.com

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On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 6:28 PM, Libertarian Party < info@lp.org > wrote:

subject: To our supporters and volunteers
Sept. 10, 2008

Dear Libertarian Supporter,

( body of text deleted for expediency; most of you have already seen it )

In Liberty!

Robert Kraus
Acting Executive Director

I find it odd that Bob Barr would accept an invitation to attend the conference and then back out at the last minute. He has been in politics long enough to know better. I believe that either someone threatened him in some way to keep him from attending or he is a neocon trying to disrupt the C4L movement. In either case he is not worthy of the office he is seeking. I have always felt that he is a neocon lite at a minimum.

Barr is more right than one staying on a sinking GOP ship or propping up socialists..

might be a mole too. and snubbing ron paul was done on purpose so he would really damage any impact the LP could of done. i think he was sent to destroy the LP. and the LP is stuck with it now. and him asking ron paul to run as vp was a last attempt to ruin ron paul as well.

Barr is a trick.

amazing he said that Ron Pauls campaign was over before the good Doctor did and if I recall this all came shortly after the Bilderberger conference where they assigned Tom Foley to tell Ron Paul to quit.

I smell a Neo-Con Chickenhawk !!!!!

Barr seems full of himself. I'm calling "ego" on this one.

his right to do whatever he wants. how about we give him 4 years with plenty of free time and none in an oval office where he has to do soo much stuff. poor guy just wants chillaxing and we ask him to go to press releases like ron paul does...come on, it is too much to ask.

Why would Barr miss such a great opportunity to have Ron Paul push his supporters his way?

There is obvious animosity between Barr and Paul. Barr is more than willing to have Paul as his VP...so Barr doesn't dislike Paul.

It is more likely that Paul wants Barr to be the VP (which to us makes a LOT more sense)...and Barr refused...so Paul snubbed him.

It is really hard to believe that Paul would do such a thing, but Paul hasn't survived in the political world for decades only because of his conservative views.

Another possibility is that Paul believes (as I do) that Barr is a GOP mole...and snubbed him.

BTW: Whatever the reason, I'm glad that Paul and Barr aren't playing together. I don't like Barr's views and I think he's a mole.

to St Paul to sniff around like the starving neo-con plant dog that he is but too arrogant and disrespectful to Ron Paul and doesn't deserve ant attention other than to expose him for the shill he is...

http://www.dailynewscaste...
Bob Barr a NEOCON diversion

September 10th, 2008 | Campaign For Liberty, Neocons, Politics, Ron Paul

By: D. H. Williams @ 1:19 PM - EST

The Libertarian Party is dead, and Bob Barr killed it.

Bob Barr continually tries to steal the support created by Ron Paul and his r3VOLution. Today Bob Barr was invited by Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) to attend a press conference held at the National Press Club in Washington D. C., while initially accepting the gracious invitation he snubbed Dr. Paul and other political candidates who attended. Making Barr’s behavior unforgiving is that he had to be very close by because he had a scheduled press conference 15 minutes after Paul’s in the same building.

Don Rasmussen who maintains the official Campaign For Liberty blog said, “Barr committed to participate, but had his campaign manager call us minutes before it started to tell us that Bob thinks ‘it just isn’t worth it.’ I look forward to hearing him explain how breaking a promise to Congressman Paul constitutes a wise campaign strategy.”

Rasmussen goes on to say, “The idea that he was busy is absurd. I am sitting in the National Press Club right now waiting for his hastily called press conference to begin. This is the same building where Dr. Paul’s presser just ended. Barr committed to participate, but had his campaign manager call us minutes before it started to tell us that Bob thinks “it just isn’t worth it.”

Barr has done his best to insinuate himself and his campaign at every turn showing up at Ron Paul events uninvited and in violation of promises made to Dr. Paul’s staff. His supporters have also attempted to take over blogs and forums dedicated to Ron Paul such as Daily Paul and Ron Paul Forums.

..........Kokesh explaining what had made him so angry. "Leadership is not just about knowing when to lead, but knowing when to follow," Kokesh said. "You failed that test today and I retract my endorsement of you."

The LP cannot reject him now, as much as we'd like to. Rasmussen has no idea how the LP operates.

Trust me, most of the membership did not want him. Still don't either.

However, he is right in that Barr blew it. But that's not surprising, either, since that's been the mantra of his campaign--collasaflop.

Tilting at windmills is futile. Trying to make Barr the enemy is a waste of time and energy.

Barr is not the enemy. Don't let yourselves be distracted from the real enemies of liberty, or let yourselves be used by them.

If you listened to the press conference at all, you heard that a vote for Barr is just as good as a vote for anyone besides the two representatives of the dominant party. If you didn't get that, you've lost sight of the goal.

IMissLiberty