MESSAGE FROM BOB BARR FIELD DIRECTOR, PLEASE READ
VUCK BOB BARR
This was posted on Bob Barr's website. It is a post from the field director of his campaign. The post is on his personal myspace page as well : UPDATED: This statement has since been taken down and you will see why.
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Earlier today, Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX) held a press conference in Washington, D.C. where he said…well, nothing...
He invited Libertarian Party Presidential nominee Bob Barr and independent Presidential candidate Ralph Nader along with the nominees of two small, minor political parties to stand behind him as he encouraged Americans to vote for anyone other than Sens. Barak Obama and John McCain.
Ron Paul wasted the press corps' time with this press conference. It accomplished nothing and displayed a complete lack of leadership on Paul's part.
Of the four invitees, only Bob Barr had the sense to skip the event. He held his own press conference, also in Washington, D.C., later in the day.
Among the things in Ron Paul's statement was a reference to the "principled non-voter", claiming they are sending a message and should start a "League of Non Voters" to impact the nation and government.
So, in other words, Paul stated that people should not vote for Obama or McCain and should vote for a third party nominee…unless they really don't want to.
Allow me to set the good Doctor straight: "principled non voters" count the same, and have the same impact on America, as lazy, apathetic citizens who simply do not care enough to get involved and vote. There is no difference between the wannabe political philosopher who refuses to cast a vote "out of principle" and the lazy citizen who chooses to remain ignorant of the issues, the candidates and his or her government.
Keep in mind that some of Paul's followers have placed his name on the Presidential ballot in two states (Louisiana and Montana). Paul could have kept his name off the ballot in those states by simply requesting that he not be listed as a candidate in the general election, but in an effort in ego, he chose to allow his name to go on the ballot in direct competition with the other candidates he claims to encourage people to consider voting for.
Ron Paul has, again, blown a tremendous opportunity to lead and advance the agenda of the Constitution, and individual liberty. Since he launched his Presidential Exploratory Committee almost two years ago, Ron Paul has repeatedly said this campaign is not about the man (him) but about the message (liberty and the Constitution).
Really, Dr. Paul? Your actions belie your words.
If he were truly serious about this being "about the message" and not the man, he would be making sure that the message is resonating far and wide through and during the Presidential campaign.
The Libertarian Party begged him to accept its nomination and continue his campaign through Election Day. He declined.
The Libertarian Party then nominated the only credible pro-freedom candidate in the Presidential race, former Congressman Bob Barr, but Paul refused to support him, saying he is working for freedom within the Republican Party.
Backing Barr would have taken courage on Paul's part. Instead, today he took a cop-out course of action by encouraging a nondescript "vote third party" message that would water down the impact of the freedom vote. If Americans are serious about sending a message that demands the restoration of our civil liberties, an end to the war in Iraq, a foreign policy that makes sense and solid, realistic economic policies then there is only one option to vote for on November 4th – Bob Barr.
Ron Paul knows that. Instead, he encouraged watering down the vote while maximizing his marketing base for the Campaign for Liberty, his book sales, etc.
After Rep. Paul collected millions in donations from Libertarians, independents and Republicans during his campaign, he has since:
1) Sold his followers a book
2) Had people travel to (or donate to) a march on Washington D.C. that ultimately proved to be too small to even get noticed, much less have any sort of impact
3) Launched the "Campaign for Liberty" and hit up his followers, again, for donations to this organization that has made no noticeable effort to support liberty-minded candidates
4) Sold thousands of tickets to the "Rally for the Republic" in Minnesota, where he then sold t-shirts, more books, vendor booth space, advertising in the programs and a host of other things.
Ron Paul is now in the Ron Paul business – and business is lucrative.
As painful as it is to state the obvious: this campaign by the man is no longer about the message, it is about the money – lots of it. Other than in his pocket and in the pocket of his paid staff, where is all the money going?
No one seems to know for sure.
In a time of economic recession, Paul has found a way to keep going back to the financial well of his followers, creating yet another challenge for candidates who are still running for office at all levels and are unable to raise the funds needed to effectively spread the message of liberty and the Constitution.
I was among the first to donate to Dr. Paul's Exploratory committee and I also donated to his Presidential campaign. Once he dropped out of the race, though, I did the responsible thing and got behind the only remaining credible candidate, Bob Barr, who is capable of injecting the message Ron Paul claims to want to spread through Election Day and beyond.
America still needs to hear that message and only Bob Barr is capable of taking the message further down the field. Unfortunately, it is obvious that Ron Paul is more interested in making money off the message than helping spread it through someone else. Maybe he is worried that Bob Barr will publish a book and compete for customers.
Thousands of Americans rushed to join Ron Paul's campaign, myself included. For us, it has always been about the message. We were thrilled to have someone serve as spokesman for the cause of liberty and back a candidate who could leverage his position as a major-party candidate to spread our message to millions through the campaign.
That is why we donated millions of dollars collectively.
Since ending his Presidential campaign, though, Ron Paul has gone from being the hope for America to being a major obstacle to the message of freedom and the Constitution.
By contrast, Bob Barr showed that he is not just talking about and rallying for the message of freedom, he is doing something about the need to put liberty and Constitutional issues front and center in the Presidential campaign.
The Barr campaign continues to pick up steam in the national media and in the polls. People are listening and we cannot miss this opportunity to maximize our reach. The message is still getting out – because of Bob Barr.
Dr. Paul, where is the leadership from you? We certainly did not see any today in Washington, D.C.
Do Paul's loyal followers, I ask one simple question: Are you serious about continuing to spread the message of Liberty for America?
If so, prove it. Go to www.bobbarr2008.com and sign up for our email updates. Then, look for a MeetUp group in your area – if there isn't one already, start one. Also, make a donation to the campaign. In any event, get involved in the Barr campaign because this campaign is actually about the message.
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I'm voting Baldwin, as it
I'm voting Baldwin, as it stands now. If the debates open up, I'll look at it again.
OK, now I am sure; I don't like Barr at all.
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For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.
- John F. Kennedy
Don't blame Ron Paul
Don't blame Ron Paul that your turd-sandwich candidate and giant douche running mate can't win over the appeal of Ron Paul's already liberty-minded supporters.
Ron Paul should have
Ron Paul should have accepted the Libertarian invitation and brought his support WITH him to ONE party.
The only place Bob Barr
is popular is in your wet dreams. Peace
actually, on the Ron Paul
actually, on the Ron Paul facebook group (where he has well over 90,000 supporters), nobody over there is considering anyone but Bob Barr.
well... I'm not anymore.... but still....
I guess, 90,000 is more than the 72 users here on DailyPaul.
You're not fooling anybody, avoice...
so if that's the case, why are y'all over here trying to sway we measly 72 users....Please!
I'm not trying to sway
I'm not trying to sway anyone. I hate Bob Barr.
I guess I'm just trying to open up your seemingly small-closed mind to, well, reality.
I may not like Bob Barr, but that's no reason to attack the few people here who have heeded Ron Paul's advice to pick one of the 4 3rd party candidates of their choice to support.
AGAIN...Bob Barr is an establishment toolbox....
Solely propped up to oppose Ron Paul.
This guy's attempt at SPIN is lame
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This was total shit, but it
This was total shit, but it was this guys opinion and not Bob Barr himself that said or wrote this.
It was on Bob Barrs campaign
It was on Bob Barrs campaign website then it was taken down
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I am not defending what was
I am not defending what was said or done though
TYPICAL
I have said this several times before.
WE ARE OUR OWN WORST ENEMIES>>> Us in the freedom/anti-tax/911 truth/ ect LIBERTARIAN and the parties......
DAMMIT IDIOTS DIVIDED WE FALL..... F THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY FOR ONCE AGAIN PROVING ME RIGHT.
WE HAVE A COMMON ENEMY. REPS, DEMS, FED, OPRRESSIVE STATE AND LOCAL GOVT'S AND NOW THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY IS TRYING TO MAKE RON ONE TOO...
YOU GUYS SUCK and your FIRED!!!!!!! That guy who wrote this should have a psycological exam and a public examination for his BALLS.
Freedom may be worth searching for.
Remember, Dont battle the govt with guns(ALONE), Beat them in court, in state legislature, or hire Ron Paul for president.
Blow
me.
excuse me, I don't support
excuse me, I don't support Bob Barr, and I am equally pissed about his/their actions, and their criticism of Ron Paul. However, I think they deserve the chance to explain themselves.... in fact, I demand that they do.
They can't, Dale
Their mouths are already busy with McCain and Cheney's members.
excuse me, I don't support
excuse me, I don't support Bob Barr, and I am equally pissed about his/their actions, and their criticism of Ron Paul. However, I think they deserve the chance to explain themselves.... in fact, I demand that they do.
The author of this forgot to
The author of this forgot to sign it "Undercover Neo-Con"
Let it die folks. Lets get back to spreading the same message of Freedom and Liberty.
excuse me, I don't support
excuse me, I don't support Bob Barr, and I am equally pissed about his/their actions, and their criticism of Ron Paul. However, I think they deserve the chance to explain themselves.... in fact, I demand that they do.
I have a problem with the
I have a problem with the accusations of wrong doing by Ron Paul/his campaign.
I have an even bigger problem with the LP criticizing Ron Paul and saying he has bad judgment by urging people to vote for a 3rd party candidate.
Bob Barr is delusional if he thinks he or any other 3rd party has a chance of winning this election... so it's irrelevant what Ron Paul did.
People like choices... they like to be individuals. Ron Paul has given them that by showing them more options. If anything, Ron Paul's decision/actions will get even more people to vote. His decision was to try and open up the system, NOT win the election with a particular candidate.
so does this mean you are
so does this mean you are finally giving up your support of Bob DoucheFu*kTard@ssHat Barr?
um, I never really supported
um, I never really supported him in the beginning.... but I'm even more unlikely to vote for him now.
This is way too critical of Ron Paul.
There's nothing wrong with making money. And the money is being used to promote liberty. And if he makes money personally from his own book, what's wrong with that? It's not as if he's stealing. He's selling the message of liberty. The book could not have been published and publicized and distribute as widely if it was free.
Also Dr. Paul has to do a balancing act with supporting Barr while holding on to his Republican House seat. Paul has made many favorable comments of Barr in the media.
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steve ?
why are you promoting this on a Ron Paul page ? this is not good for you .
What are you talking about?
What are you talking about?
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lol this is just effin
lol this is just effin asinine. not only that, but completely off base and totally misunderstood the purpose behind the press announcement. he IS wasting the presses time because theyre trying to pin him down to support someone else. he used that time to try to shake and jar people a little bit from this exact veil of blindness and ignorance this writer talks about attributing towards the 'lazy who dont vote' . eff this amateur id like to see him live through 10 terms in congress and a war and 2 presidential candidacies before he makes such bold statements. id slug this asshole if i met him.
Blog Remarks by Mike Ferguson Removed at Barr Campaign Request
http://blog.myspace.com/i...
"Wow...what a day. A blog that typically gets about 25 views per day received over 4,000 in a matter of hours.
The Bob Barr campaign has asked that I remove my blog posting from earlier today, so I have.
That post was written by me and reflected MY views - it was not intended to represent the Barr campaign.
So, feel free to continue to send the email replies, in support or in opposition."
Hey Mark Ferguson
Not only did you take down that post, but you took down all of your posts. You even deleted ones talking about how you had a booth at the Rally for the Republic. You sure didn't have a problem using Ron Paul's events to try to get his supporters to vote Libertarian.
If they were your real views, and I'm sure they are, why don't you stand by them.
You are nothing but a spineless leech.
Barr Is A Clown, And His Campaign May Destroy The LP
I guess his job is to alienate, well, everybody.
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And I think that was Barr's
motive all along.
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Why vote for the lesser of two evils when you can go all in?
vote Satan/Paulson '08
After this stunt he pulled
After this stunt he pulled it is confirmed
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WTF?
Seems to be mixed message http://www.bobbarr2008.co...
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Well, now, ain't this sweet....
I reckon we'll find out PDQ where the Libertarian Party is when they do or do not fire this vicious bullying clown of a fact twister and bigot. No legitimate political party can survive the expanding awareness base of the New Voters by being so shallow and stupid as to have such ignorant people on their staff. It'll be fun watching the LP twist in the winds of whim...
Teh Shadow sez: No to Barr and Mike Ferguson.
end communication. :-p
Lurked for about a year, but now from the shadows I have come.
Note it is NOT Bob Barr that wrote this,
but Mike Ferguson. SO Barr has as such nothing to do with it directly. I find the statement rather very shocking and misfiring and highly critical and totally unjustified. Is Ferguson also asking all the Ron Paul GOP candidates to switch to the LP and run under LP banner? Does he think they will have better chance to win under the Lp than the RP/GOP banner? Gotta be kidding.
Paul has spent him money very wisely and never for himself. The Revolution already has such a positive message and the LP profits from it tremendously. If he want to criticize the lacking fundraising, why does'nt he look in the mirror...
Barr has raised a mere 850 k so far and may have lost ballot access in LA (he should be glad that Trent Hill had the initiative, as the local LA LP indicated they would endorse the Paul-Goldwater ticket). ANd what about the West Virginia and Maine issue with ballot access registration problems, or in MA or DC??? Get real Ferguson. I really did not expect such reaction from you, more from Shane COry, but not you.
Are you having dreams of me?
Why am I in the first line of your post? Who's supposedly obsessed about whom?
I see nothing wrong in that citation. Valid questions are raised about the Golden Calf, and valid points have been made as well. Now, as we should all do, I await answers and/or rebuttals from the Golden Calf or his inept staff.
Hate Divides
Hate divides,
Love unites
It is easy to see who has the moral high-ground. Dr. Paul was betrayed!!
bob barr
whenever i see him on tv i just get the feeling he isnt a smart guy. I dont know he seems a little dumb to me. But there is a good point in here. If Dr. didnt spend all that money and he didnt show any plans to spend it. Why did he let us keep raising it, i could have used that money in this time of struggle but instead its sitting in c4l pockets. I do also think the dr. sorta diminished the movement by telling us to vote for 1 of 4 candidates. I mean we all were going to anyways but now its just going to be dispersed between 4 people and its not going to look like any significant impact. Dr should have left the party after all we were warned that parties are not good. And the doctor voted against both parties a million times and upheld the constituion instead. He should have left the party and ran 3rd to help uphold the constitution. He would have been in the debates for sure no doubt about it. None of the 4 he offered are going to make it in lets be realistic. Over the next 4 years the american people will forget then by next election well fight and struggle to win and then lose again. He missed his chance to jump start this movement. Dont get me wrong though i love the dr. and will continue to support him but he could have made MUCH better moves. As for barr tho nah he isnt going to make an impact. Nader gets more than 2 million votes so maybe he can keep it alive for a little bit. Probable not. im very unhappy with the hand we are dealt
Crazy Spin
That is the craziest spin I have ever heard put on any event. What a miserable effort at rationalization on the part of the Barr campaign!
The hubris of Barr to think he is any more likely to win the election than the three who appeared with Ron Paul today!
Not only hubris, but total disregard for honor and integrity, to have so dissed the Ron Paul press conference by staying away at the last minute after having agreed to come. I wonder how the RNC got to him?
Barr completely missed the point of Ron's press conference, or else he didn't want to acknowledge it. The point of the conference was not that any of the alternative candidates could win, but that the PEOPLE could show the two-headed party duopoly that they are demanding a better choice. Only votes cast will demonstrate the dissatisfaction of the electorate.
Everyone has some alternative candidate who represents more or less his view of how the country should be governed. The left and the right both have a duty to register their objection by voting their conscience, not by staying home and not voting.
If the PEOPLE will only grab hold of this concept of abandoning the exclusively two-party system, the powers that be will be forced to open up the process. It would be like that fateful day when Boris Yeltsin climbed on top of a Soviet tank and defied the establishment of his country. After the system is opened up, then we can have real dialog about the direction in which the country should go. Then the Ron Paul Republicans will finally have a chance to make their case to the nation and be heard.
Guess what Mr. Bob Barr
Guess what Mr. Bob Barr Field Director: If the Libertarian Party was so incredibly supportive of Ron Paul, to the point of BEGGING him to be their nominee ---- the LP should have supported Ron Paul and rallied behind him, REGARDLESS OF PARTY!
But I suppose principles don't matter much to the LP. BEGGING one candidate to represent them, but then taking whatever they can get when they didn't get what they wanted.
It would have been so easy for the LP to throw their support behind Ron Paul, but they failed us as well as everything they believe in.
Regarding Bob Barr, Mr. Field Director, today and probably from now on - I think BOB BARR SUCKS!
Um, primaries are party-only
The LP cannot be involved in a Republican primary campaign. The only time its legal to "cross party lines" is when the nominee is determined, and if by some far fetched chance that Ron actually gave it a shot and won, THEN the LP could've legally thrown their support behind Ron.
So you're saying that it
So you're saying that it would be ILLEGAL for the Libertarian Party to simply have stated to their supporters:
"We have no candidate who can represent our principles better than Ron Paul during this election cycle and despite the fact that he is a Republican, we are urging all Libertarians to put their complete support behind Ron Paul."
???
Is this Steve Parent ass
Is this Steve Parent ass clown really working for the Barr campaign? I remember the bullshit this wannabe foot doctor, yes wannabe, he is not a doctor, was stirring up with the Ron Paul campaign. I'm not happy with Barr's actions, but if Steve Parent is actually a part of his campaign... wow that in and of itself is worse than Barr's actions today.
Yes I do have a doctorate
Yes I do have a doctorate and no I never worked for nor ever will work for the Barr campaign.
I also did not write this and why you think I did is beyond me.
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maybe it's because you did not source the article you quote
above, i too thought you wrote that article - you sure like to put your name on everything.
why did you post that stupid myspace link?
just where does the article come from?
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The link is right at the top
The link is right at the top of the post and also here : http://blog.myspace.com/i...
This was on the Bob Barr campaign website until about 30 minutes ago and on this myspace page
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I think *PART* of it is a valid criticism...
This part (which some call "nasty" ... but hey, if it quacks like a duck!):
That isn't the WHOLE story (I don't think RP is *only* about making money -- his Conference today was SPOT ON about the "corrupt" non-choice of the 2 party system -- but money & paying staffers definitely IS a part of the equation, and the "campaign" and the "movement" was definitely "squandered" and mismanaged by a LACK of any real "leadership").
Oh... and for those who are asking... I *DESPISE* Bob Barr... I just think this criticism has some valid points.
What about the other *PART*?
but money & paying staffers definitely IS a part of the equation
No doubt, but what about the REST of the equation, like >$4M that mysteriously went away to no public entity when the campaign was "suspended"?
If the campaign had no intent on spending the money after Super Tuesday, why did they allow more fund raising and "money bombs"?
I *DESPISE* Bob Barr... I just think this criticism has some valid points.
This isn't Barr, this is a Barr staffer.
The rest of the post is Rubbish...
No doubt, but what about the REST of the equation, like >$4M that mysteriously went away to no public entity when the campaign was "suspended"?
FEC records show the transfer of most of that $3.5 Million to Ron Paul's Congressional Reelection campaign (and NOT the C4L like everyone thinks).
This isn't Barr, this is a Barr staffer.
I know... just didn't want to be accused of being an Bob Barr shill/troll.
Loot and shilling
FEC records show the transfer of most of that $3.5 Million to Ron Paul's Congressional Reelection campaign (and NOT the C4L like everyone thinks).
Many believe the C4L is the recipient because of initial statements around the time of the campaign being "suspended".
Paul generally runs uncontested in his district, there's no need for him to sit on >$4M for half a year when many were counting on him. Nobody can deny his campaign, particularly after Super Tuesday, was an abject train wreck with dismembered bodies randomly strewn about. Why didn't he spend the >$5M he had on hand in February?
I know... just didn't want to be accused of being an Bob Barr shill/troll.
Nothing wrong with being accused of something your not; it shows that those who indulge in such extrapolations are knee-jerk idiots.
I'm sure I come off as a Barr supporter on this thread, but I'm no fan of Barr, but I am willing to agree with a broken clock when it is right twice a day. If anonymous keyboard commandos want to label me as a Barr shill, so be it; I won't lose any sleep over it, and neither should you.