After The Collapse...
Submitted by Republicae on Thu, 09/18/2008 - 11:11
I was not going to post this because it is scary and it will scare people, and I truly hope it never, ever comes to this,but perhaps that is what just might be needed. If you think it is overboard, then so be it, but after studying various collapses, including the Great Depression in this country, I thought it might be necessary to understand just what can happen during such
periods.
Forgive me please if it upsets you, I apologize in advance and ask your forgiveness.
Our society floats, indeed it drifts on certain well-placed and deeply ingrained assumptions about our country, its stability and it future. Long ago it forsook the single stabilizing force it had: Constitutional Common-Sense and Order. I hope the following never happens, but the way things look it would do well that we should prepare for such eventualities.
As we are currently seeing, the economy is taking a particularly pernicious turn, but all that we see now is mild, a pre-cursor to a far more difficult stage to follow. As economic dislocations become more and more frequent, defaults multiply as profits are drained by the massive burden of debt that supports the economy. Massive closures and layoffs with unemployment rapidly increasing to unimaginable levels. The economy begins to seize piece by piece until it shuts down in systematic collapse. Hyperinflation eats through the economy like a cankerworm through a ripe harvest. The tattered government will attempt to create various programs to no avail, monetary policies will prove worthless, and job creation schemes will be overwhelmed by exponential increases in joblessness.
It will be vital that if you live in a city that you have a safe escape route planned and at the very beginning of the collapse you make your way out of the most dangerous place to be during that time and that place is urban areas. It is very important that your plans include a safe-haven, a place to take refuge during the first few months of the decay. Ideally, if we could somehow form a network of safe-zones, a network of like-minded people who have not only prepared for such eventualities, but who can support those who are in urban areas during this most dangerous period. I am not sure just how that could be accomplished, but I have a deep gut feeling that it is very necessary.
During the seize phases, there will be an increase of shortages, shortages in fuel will bring about shortages of just about everything else we can imagine, like food, common everyday consumer items, medicine and then will come outages of utilities, transportations systems breaking down, infrastructures falling apart. The people who are so accustom to getting their milk, bread and butter from the grocery store shelves, pumping their gas from the convenience stores will be dumbfounded to find the shelves empty, the pumps dry.
The vast majority of the population will be stupefied; even most of those in our government and the major corporations, yes and even the elite will stumble about in utter confusion and despair. As hyperinflation takes its final toll, the penniless people will look to an equally penniless government to no avail, there will be no help coming from “on-high”. As profits dry up so do the services, including the profitable health-care business in this country. Yes, there will be Martial Law until the government itself succumbs to the plague of monetary collapse, then it is every man, woman and child for himself. Community will be extremely important, a prepared people, like-minded families of friends that can be counted on in such times. It will be almost tribal in the beginning, and then it will evolve into a medieval society in many respects.
For the few people who do own their property outright, their safety, especially in urban areas, will be questionable. Initially, the massive numbers of homelessness wander, raiding what stored goods are available to them, or stealing goods they suspect of being hidden, eventually the homeless hoards will become squatters, taking any property that will offer a degree of shelter and safety. As the massive confused and bewildered hoards will eventually migrate, like beasts looking from greener pastures, they will trample through the countryside looking for subsistence. In the beginning, there will be a massive migration into the cities, when supplies are exhausted there, when the violence, pestilence and starvation take their deadly tolls, the migration will spread outward to suburban areas and then into the countryside. The selfishness of our society will find its expression during these dark times, people who were cold and selfish during the good times will be even much more cruel during the bad times.
So, what will be important? Obviously, friends and family, but beyond that there are certain things that will be immediately necessary and then there will be things that will be necessary over the long-term. Survival and security will be of the utmost importance, especially during the initial stages of the collapse. As the first few months of chaos turns into the first few years of growing despair, there will be some important elements of survival that needs to be understood. It is extremely important that we stock up on Heirloom Seeds now, they will be worth more than all the gold and silver in the world during the first few years after the collapse.
Some important things to know and remember is to avoid strangers at all costs, never get backed into a corner or in a location without knowing a route of safe escape, never travel alone or be outside a safe place at night, always be armed and always have some sort of trade goods on your person. After the collapse, our money will be no good, gold and silver will also be of little use during those first few years, but trade goods used for barter will be of immense value. It is important that we stock up now on various consumer goods such as razor blades, matches and cigarettes as well as lighters will be highly prized, so too will salt and spices, soap, rope, tools, medical and first aid supplies, fishing tackle, etc., but above everything else knowledge will be of the greatest value. It is important that we know trades, such as pottery making, blacksmithing, gardening, preserving foods, woodworking, etc. Those will be valued trades and those who can provide such abilities will be sought out.
As communities coalesce around trade routes, laws will gradually find their way back into society the question will be what type of law, what type of society? The principles we hold so dear must never die out, no matter how horrible the chaos, no matter how difficult the times. It will be very important that there is a remnant who hold the principles of Liberty and Honor upon which this country was once found in the highest regard, that a people serve as a reservoir for such principles.
For an interesting study, please refer to this website, it was written by a former Soviet citizen comparing the USSR with the US.
My concern for the COLD
winter ahead is heat. I have elec. baseboard, propane fireplace and wood pellet stoves (can't use without elec or with door open). If the power goes out, what to do? I have been looking for a battery (car type) operated fan larger than 10" but not industrial size. Could keep warm with fireplace (whoops, no propane either). Could get cheap wood stoves but need fan to circulate and I have a renter downstairs. So, can a car battery be rigged to convert to small household items?? Or is there a product already on the market?
"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." -- John Quincy Adams
Check these companies
Check these companies out:
Alternate Power Systems, Inc.
115 Mill Street Suite-C
Woodstock GA 30188
(678) 494-2035
Sentinel Reusable Power Supply
2402 Maple Dr.
Slayton MN 56172
(800) 221-1734
EnerG America
(800) 991-7697
Gridpoint, Inc.
2020 K Street NW, Suite 550
Washington DC 20006
(202) 903-2100
Xantrex Technology, Inc.
5916 195th Street, NE
Arlington WA 98223
(800) 670-0707
Hope that helps some, or at least give you a direction to go in...
Rags make Paper; Paper makes Money; Money makes Banks;Banks make Loans; Loans make Beggars; Beggars make Rags
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Thanks Republicae
Have been searching and looks like I need something in the order of an RV power inverter. Will check all your sites.
"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." -- John Quincy Adams
Gangs will rule the big
Gangs will rule the big cities. They already have a group structure and are willing to rob and plunder because they are experienced. As law and societal structure breaks down they will be emboldened.
People preferable need to have a retreat, or if that is not possible a group structure to protect them selves. Still they will be inexperienced and unwilling to take initiative the gangs will be actively pursuing because that is what they do, they will just be doing it more aggressively and openly.
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Republicae suggests undertaking a defensive strategy that
takes into account the basic requirements for one's life and the lives of one's family. The precise measurement that remains elusive here is timing. Whether or not one owns one's house "outright" will, IMHO, be ultimately of little consequence if it is situated in a large or even medium-sized city. Given the appetite of the state for money, they will tax (take) what they want in order to maintain their structure as long as possible. How long that will be possible is something that I do not think can be predicted with any genuine degree of accuracy. In general, the strategy being suggested is sound, regardless of the period of time in which we live, but now even more so when one considers the dangers being engaged by our political "leaders". For sure, the dangers being discussed here are very disturbing, but a prudent individual must give proper consideration to the potential scenario(s) being offered in his post. To do otherwise, to dismiss them, to put one's faith entirely in the concept of the goodness of man would be, at best, a crap shoot. Living in any large city during an economic, social and civil collapse exposes one to danger that is best avoided. Consider the offered advice carefully. Though I agree with Republicae, that we can all hope these scenarios turn out to be unrealized, the prudent man recognizes the signs of danger and seeks refuge while the imprudent continue to march directly into the path of destruction until it is too late. Hope? Certainly, always. Blind faith? Not for me. Best of luck.
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"An economy built on fiat money is a society on its way to ashes."
I love this article
Its about the only thing that keeps me sane. Looking at the big picture with no fear.
http://lightworkers.org/content/46770/now-is-the-time
bump
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not yet
There will be NO collapse NOW ..IF we impliment this TREASONOUS act, then we will be on an eminit collaps mode ..This IS you chance for REAL CHANGE I can believe in.
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Thou shalt not steal, gov't hates the competition
It is, at this point, an
It is, at this point, an impossibility to stop the systemic destruction of THE DEBT STANDARD which we know as the Fiat Monetary System. It will end, it is ending and either we will be prepared for such an eventuality or we will not...the question is what do we do after it happens, how do we Restore the Republic?
It is happening, the next shoe to drop will the the derivatives market, it has already begun to bust, that bubble is massive and will drain every cent of liquidity from the economy. We have been seeing signals for years that the Fiat Monetary System, the DEBT STANDARD, is reaching its terminal point within its life span, now those signals are rapidly becoming more evident. If you choose to ignore such signals then by all means do so, but you do so at your own peril.
Rags make Paper; Paper makes Money; Money makes Banks;Banks make Loans; Loans make Beggars; Beggars make Rags
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“MEN DO NOT WILLINGLY READ UNPALATABLE TRUTHS OF THEMSELVES. THE PEOPLE LIKE THOSE BEST WHO FOOL THEM MOST BY PANDERING TO THEIR VICES AND FLATTERING THEIR FOIBLES”—ADMIRAL RAPHAEL SEMMES.
check Argentina
Thanks Citizen Republicae for that post. I will check out the USSR comparison. A few days ago someone posted a bit by a man from Argentina. It got bad there, but not as bad as you fear. Please check it out. I suspect it will be as bad here as in Argentina. Good luck all.
Reminder Bump! Rags make
Reminder Bump!
Rags make Paper; Paper makes Money; Money makes Banks;Banks make Loans; Loans make Beggars; Beggars make Rags
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“MEN DO NOT WILLINGLY READ UNPALATABLE TRUTHS OF THEMSELVES. THE PEOPLE LIKE THOSE BEST WHO FOOL THEM MOST BY PANDERING TO THEIR VICES AND FLATTERING THEIR FOIBLES”—ADMIRAL RAPHAEL SEMMES.
comes full circle isn't
comes full circle isn't it.
"He who exercises government by means of his virtue may be compared to the north polar star, which keeps its place and all the stars turn towards it." Confucius
"He who exercises government by means of his virtue may be compared to the north polar star, which keeps its place and all the stars turn towards it." Confucius
How about a peace plan?
How about peace on earth? Here's my plan, I call it simply "the peace plan" There's plenty of time now to start this, I just need some help.
On New Years Eve we start peace on earth forever.
Send out postcards to every occupation, group, congregation, army regiment, police department etc. around the world. And here's what the postcards say:
1. We Love you
2. Please join us
3. We do not buy or sell anything with any national currency
4. We trade with our neighbors
5. We will continue to do this until peace is restored to the whole earth
I have a website to disseminate more information and I'll try to set it up soon at www.peacepostcards.com. If there are any graphics or web designers who want to help let me know.
I got the idea from this thread: http://www.dailypaul.com/node/62551
http://killfiat.blogspot.com/
Thanks Republicae... Words
Thanks Republicae... Words of wisdom!
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i live in right next to
i live in right next to manhattan (new york city) so practically i'm screwed ... i should be preparing a bag with a boxes of matches ... and lighters and etc
unfortunately you have to be 21 to own a rifle here in the city ...
so i have a few knives but idk if that will do any good
a few bottles that can be used as canteens for water
i have to get a knife sharpener
and some wool blankets and etc
Is everything going to become black and white
like during the depression?
I think so many people now
do not know very much of history, and that is why a few here can't fathom what you are saying. But Ron Paul is warning about this very thing, in not so many words. In our homeschool we read of all of history, and this does not sound so very far off, but if one knows little of history, and only sees what they have lived here in America with its (borrowed) prosperity, what you say sounds preposterous. All civilizations have crumbled, many countries have endured what you have said, and it looks like we may go thru it too.
And the same families have been doing it us
peasants all along. Sad isn't it? We've never stoood up to them because of our natural Reciprocity instinct. They feed on our desire to "return the favor". They have managed to enslave humanity for a long long time with shiny metal and, more recently, crisp paper. This whole game is so insane. I wish everyone would quit playing it.
THis Russian fellow has it all wrong
We will definitley be far quicker to respond to a collapse of Washington DC. That is all we are witnessing essentially. We do have a very large free market sector that will pick up the ball. We have 50 different state govts that can provide the basics of society i.e. roads and police etc. We have a tradition of market based personal behaviour of which the russians did not and still do not. We are light years ahead of the old USSR in that we still have incredibel tangible wealth that the private sector will pick up and run with. In fact we have only good things to look forward to if the Fed Govt truly does collapse!!
Vive L'America Libre
The only problem with your scenario
is that you forget that if the dollar and bond markets collapse, all levels of government--not just the federal--collapse as well.
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I agree with that, indeed,
I agree with that, indeed, they will try their best to hold on to power...that is the dangerous period.....because they will lash out at the People.
“Men do not willingly read unpalatable truths of themselves. The people like those best who fool them most by pandering to their vices and flattering their foibles”—Admiral Raphael Semmes.
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“MEN DO NOT WILLINGLY READ UNPALATABLE TRUTHS OF THEMSELVES. THE PEOPLE LIKE THOSE BEST WHO FOOL THEM MOST BY PANDERING TO THEIR VICES AND FLATTERING THEIR FOIBLES”—ADMIRAL RAPHAEL SEMMES.
minus threats of martial law and fake terrorist attacks
your scenario sound better than it is now, and your right. One way or another, all we have to look forward to is exactly what we're wanting anyway. Either we will have it through people waking up and standing up, or we will have it through the fed govs implosion. Either way things will be better some day.
those bad times, sound good.
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Man...
your not kidding...maybe this won't be so bad afterall..after a while anyways..after reality sets in and panic subsides. Reading that post made me smile.
I hate to say it but don't
I hate to say it but don't kid yourself there will be lost of pain for a while. This time will be a dangerous time as people try to hag on to power or try and steal power
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These are the shit hits the fan phone numbers
My heart belongs to Ron Paul, but for now my ass belongs to Chuck Baldwin, www.baldwin08.com
These are the shtf phone numbers 1-218-486-7200 punch in code#41554
1-206-202-2932
Saw these numbers on dailypaul awhile ago, don't remember exactly what they are for, but I remember they are for the shtf.
Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine
The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!
The code I wrote down for this, tog, is
#441554....
This is the instructions I wrote down:
at 3 PM Eastern, 12 PM Pacific and again at 9 PM Eastern, 6 PM Pacific....on the FIRST Monday following disruption of the Daily Paul/Internet....call 218-486-7200...Conf. Bridge # is 441554...
Also call 206-202-2932 and leave your name, address, email...
Perhaps we need to get this important info, imo, verified....
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Plan B and C
You're thinking of Jdayh's plan -- here's the DP thread, with up-to-date numbers.
In fact, I think I'll give that thread a bump right now, just to get it flowing through the sidebar again.
forgot about those
basically if daily paul gets taken offline we're supposed to register our numbers or something so we can stay in contact "somewhat". Call me paranoid but I'll have to do some checking before I just give out anything...yeah..I'm probably paranoid. :O)
Thank you Republicae
You are merely providing some advice pertaining to the far end of the spectrum. Some already have posted threads saying that all will be even better than before- the reality will be somewhere in the middle for most of us. For some- they will profit in the worse case scenario- others will be hit especially hard and become desperate. Dont let the caustic responses get to you- you didnt write anything that merits some of the things a few people are saying.
Live Free or Diebold
I introduced my girlfriend to this mess tonight
She's canadian andshe told me that she has a shack in Algonquin park if we need to go hide, that made me smile :)
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Third World USA
How could we expect any less, how can we expect any financial relief when both of the two major parties want to rush into more wars to protect the oil interests? It's a shame that the only reality we know outside of work and home life is through the lies of the media lulling us to sleep. I pray we can wake this nation up from it's intellectual slumber, I pray it is not to late.
Thanks for this article, it's time we became a community,
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Republicae, You say,
"It is not a question of being positive or negative, it is a question of LOOKING AROUND YOU and UNDERSTANDING JUST WHAT IS HAPPENING. "
Well, I look around and I see prosperity. I see huge, five to ten bedroom houses being built with just granny and grandpappy moving in, I see fancy cars, I see fine jewlery, fine clothes, shopping markets full, parking lots of grocery stores, restaurants and malls jam packed. The government has everything under control. Why are you fretting? I just don't see what you are seeing. But I do agree that it is good to prepare for a disaster or emergency. So thumbs on advising people to do that.
Yes, and the VAST MAJORITY
Yes, and the VAST MAJORITY of that "Wealth" is DEBT WEALTH based totally on a fiat monetary system that will collapse, just as every single fiat monetary system in history has done, with, I might add, the very same effects.
Please read: http://www.dailypaul.com/node/60534 and http://www.dailypaul.com/node/57788
“Men do not willingly read unpalatable truths of themselves. The people like those best who fool them most by pandering to their vices and flattering their foibles”—Admiral Raphael Semmes.
http://www.1776solution.blogspot.com
“MEN DO NOT WILLINGLY READ UNPALATABLE TRUTHS OF THEMSELVES. THE PEOPLE LIKE THOSE BEST WHO FOOL THEM MOST BY PANDERING TO THEIR VICES AND FLATTERING THEIR FOIBLES”—ADMIRAL RAPHAEL SEMMES.
Really - you shouldn't drink & post -
Times will be tough - hell they are now - but a total collapse - melt down Ain't gonna happen! Only thing that could bring about that scenario is a Nuke event.
So basically I'm saying you are full of horseshit
Peace
Sonny
Have you ever studied the
Have you ever studied the various civilizations which used fiat money? If so, then you will readily see a very similar pattern in what is happening now and what happened to absolutely every civilization that attempted it before...by the way, the results were not very pretty.
Besides, what do you think would happen if every single currency used in the world today rapidly began to loose its value through hyperinflation? Do you not think that there would be a societal break-down with every economic system in total chaos because the monetary system collapsed.
What do you think happens when everyone awakens to find that they can't buy anything with their money?
“Men do not willingly read unpalatable truths of themselves. The people like those best who fool them most by pandering to their vices and flattering their foibles”—Admiral Raphael Semmes.
http://www.1776solution.blogspot.com
“MEN DO NOT WILLINGLY READ UNPALATABLE TRUTHS OF THEMSELVES. THE PEOPLE LIKE THOSE BEST WHO FOOL THEM MOST BY PANDERING TO THEIR VICES AND FLATTERING THEIR FOIBLES”—ADMIRAL RAPHAEL SEMMES.
I agree...
I think there are several people on the DailyPaul that booze and write threads and leave comments. It's a little obvious that they are high or drunk one.
Well, I have to tell you
Well, I have to tell you that I don't drink and haven't had a drink in over 50 years, but I do read, study and research. It tends to make a big difference....you may want to try it.
( that last snide remark was in the same vein as your attempted slur aimed at my person, I can certain say that if you think people would be much more caring in times of trouble then should it not behoove you to be the first to set such an example?)
“Men do not willingly read unpalatable truths of themselves. The people like those best who fool them most by pandering to their vices and flattering their foibles”—Admiral Raphael Semmes.
http://www.1776solution.blogspot.com
“MEN DO NOT WILLINGLY READ UNPALATABLE TRUTHS OF THEMSELVES. THE PEOPLE LIKE THOSE BEST WHO FOOL THEM MOST BY PANDERING TO THEIR VICES AND FLATTERING THEIR FOIBLES”—ADMIRAL RAPHAEL SEMMES.
Don't worry about it
some people don't understand history, nor do they care about it. Therefore they are destined to repeat it. The people who will take something from your post appreciate your time and thoughts. The others who like to call names...well all I can say is F#$% them.
Alright I'm sorry, Republicae...
It's just that it is hard for me to deal with reality when there is all this gloom and doom stuff on the DailyPaul. How do you cope?
I accept your apology, and I
I accept your apology, and I fully understand how this must bear upon the senses and emotions however, if we are simply to be on this website to "lollygag" around, play "patty-fingers" while ignoring what is happening around us then we are as blind to what has happened to this country as all those who think McCain is a hero and Obama is the Messiah.
I cope because I have faith in the American People, I cope because I see a better future for this country and its People even if we have to go through the most difficult period in our history, I still believe in the People and the Principles upon which this Great Country was Founded! I want us to be a prepared People, one that can survive anything the Statists can throw against us and come out on the other side to rebuild what they have destroyed. I WANT US TO BE VICTORIOUS!
“Men do not willingly read unpalatable truths of themselves. The people like those best who fool them most by pandering to their vices and flattering their foibles”—Admiral Raphael Semmes.
http://www.1776solution.blogspot.com
“MEN DO NOT WILLINGLY READ UNPALATABLE TRUTHS OF THEMSELVES. THE PEOPLE LIKE THOSE BEST WHO FOOL THEM MOST BY PANDERING TO THEIR VICES AND FLATTERING THEIR FOIBLES”—ADMIRAL RAPHAEL SEMMES.
Americans use to reach far
Americans use to reach far for that "brass ring", but that "brass ring" is now tarnishing in front of them. I believe this is our opportunity, but it will take a huge amount of work and cooperation to accomplish our goals of Liberty, Prosperity and Freedom. I am not, contrary to some, negative about the future of the Spirit of Liberty in this country, but I am also not a fool who simply believes that these events could not happen here...because this is America.
“Men do not willingly read unpalatable truths of themselves. The people like those best who fool them most by pandering to their vices and flattering their foibles”—Admiral Raphael Semmes.
http://www.1776solution.blogspot.com
“MEN DO NOT WILLINGLY READ UNPALATABLE TRUTHS OF THEMSELVES. THE PEOPLE LIKE THOSE BEST WHO FOOL THEM MOST BY PANDERING TO THEIR VICES AND FLATTERING THEIR FOIBLES”—ADMIRAL RAPHAEL SEMMES.
They used to tell me I was building a dream,
With peace and glory ahead.
Why should I be standing in line,
Just waiting for bread?
He who puts his trust in government will get exactly what he deserves, good and hard.
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"An economy built on fiat money is a society on its way to ashes."
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"An economy built on fiat money is a society on its way to ashes."
I'm sick of it
I'm sick of people here on the dailypaul being sooooo sooo negative about our economic collapse, I don't know a hell of a lot about economics or stuff like that, but I'll tell you God and being postive will help. BE POSITIVE DAILY PAUL! Thats why Ron Paul didn't win, because your soo negative! BE POSITIVE!!! BE POSITIVE about everything!
I don't think we will go into another "dark age", I think it will be bad but not quite that bad! And what are you talking about, martial law, eventually the military and police families are going to go to our side because they won't be paid enough, the economy affects them too you know. The economy even affects the people wayy high up in the governement.
http://scottishkyle.blogspot.com/
Perhaps we are the only ones who are noticing.
I just finished reading Atlas Shrugged this week. While I was reading it, I couldn't help but notice some similarities between the national collapse in this work of fiction and the economic situation we find ourselves facing right now.
The thing I noticed the most while I was reading was that I could see each criminal decision the government was making. With every governmental directive issued, it was obvious to the reader that it promised collapse down the road. How is it that we as a nation can't see the same mistakes and misguided policies that are happening right before our eyes?
To me we are not being negative. We are acknowledging the facts of this economic free fall. Perhaps we are the only ones who are noticing.
Agree 100%
"To me we are not being negative. We are acknowledging the facts of this economic free fall. Perhaps we are the only ones who are noticing."
Its OK Scottie! Some people like yourself prefer the 'ignorance
is bliss' take on things. And that is perfectly alright for you.
Others, however, who have varying degrees of understanding of economics could never in their right mind just be 'positive' or just be negative! Thinking and understanding, asking questions, imagining scenarios however positive or negative is a 'creative' endeavor, not for everyone, to be sure.
http://articlesoffreedom.us/Coalition.aspx
Its Up To Us - Articles of Freedom - New Website! Thread:
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/123543#comment-1330135
For Deeper Understanding here is what a delegate wrote:
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/123897
Let me ask you, are you sick
Let me ask you, are you sick of Dr. Paul stating that we are heading for a collapse? What do you think it means when he says collapse?
“Men do not willingly read unpalatable truths of themselves. The people like those best who fool them most by pandering to their vices and flattering their foibles”—Admiral Raphael Semmes.
http://www.1776solution.blogspot.com
“MEN DO NOT WILLINGLY READ UNPALATABLE TRUTHS OF THEMSELVES. THE PEOPLE LIKE THOSE BEST WHO FOOL THEM MOST BY PANDERING TO THEIR VICES AND FLATTERING THEIR FOIBLES”—ADMIRAL RAPHAEL SEMMES.
It is not a question of
It is not a question of being positive or negative, it is a question of LOOKING AROUND YOU and UNDERSTANDING JUST WHAT IS HAPPENING. Now, if you prefer not to prepare for such eventualities then by all means sit back and wait, but I can tell you this, when you begin to see $100 dollar spikes in the price of gold on a consistent basis, when you see more and more defaults, when you see some of the most unprecedented events that have ever taken place in the financial history not only of the United States, but of the world, when you see things happening that have never, ever happened before, then even you will take a look and say something is going on that I am just not aware of and perhaps I should prepare myself and my family.
Last week alone, the central banks of the world infused over $180 billion into circulation, that is a massive amount in one week and it will translate into an economic event, especially when it is added on to the massive amounts of money that have been pouring into circulation since last year. The debt of this country, both private and public is now over 350% of GDP, at the height of the Great Depression our debt was 299%. Basically, what has happened this week is that our banking system has essentially gone defunct, they are effectively bankrupt, just as our nation has been, according to David Walker, technically bankrupt for the last few years, now it is moving into the effective bankrupt stage and things will begin to degrade at a much more rapid pace than before.
The FED has been keeping interest rates artificially low for years, that will not last for long and trying to keep a public lid on the situation that they have caused. Even Ben Bernanke has said that they have lost control, now it shouldn't take a rocket scientist to realize that there is something major going on when the head of the FED admits such a thing, if he indeed said it, which I tend not to doubt that he did. He and the FED and the government and the central banks of the world are in a total panic because they can no longer control the monster they have created.
This government continues to pile on massive amounts of debt and this will have a very detrimental effect on the global "credit rating" of our country and for the first time in the history of the Fractional Reserve Banking System, the non-borrowed reserves of our banks have dropped, not to zero, but to a negative 100%, meaning the banks are basically broke, but they will continue the ruse as long as they can.
As these factors filter though the system, as your money is depreciated to the point that it is no longer accepted as a medium of exchange. I agree that Martial Law will only last just as long as there is money to pay the employees of the federal government, when that money is no longer worth anything they will abandon it in a flash. As I have said, Fiat Money is the Life Blood of THE STATE LEVIATHAN, when the money loses its power, so too does the MONSTER, it will die.
So, once again, it is not simply a question of being positive or negative, it is a question of just how prudent we are and if we believe in ourselves enough to make prudent preparations for any eventuality. Our government and the FED are following a very predictable pattern. They will do what every other government has done to try to stabilize a monetary system that will eventually prove it cannot be stabilized. Like all other fiat systems before ours, it is following the same pattern of destruction...read your history on countries that have tried to use the power of fiat money to their advantage, they all fell into a societal degradation.
I care enough about myself, my family and my friends to do just that, because the last thing I want is to be totally unprepared, but positive.
“Men do not willingly read unpalatable truths of themselves. The people like those best who fool them most by pandering to their vices and flattering their foibles”—Admiral Raphael Semmes.
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“MEN DO NOT WILLINGLY READ UNPALATABLE TRUTHS OF THEMSELVES. THE PEOPLE LIKE THOSE BEST WHO FOOL THEM MOST BY PANDERING TO THEIR VICES AND FLATTERING THEIR FOIBLES”—ADMIRAL RAPHAEL SEMMES.