Lets Order our OWN Polls !!!

Who is with me? Who wants to help with this?

trey4600 AT Yahoo DOT com

My thought is that no one is buying the polls. It is simply the msm being told what to print by the CFR. All numbers listed in the polls are fiction meant to develope and promote the CFR agenda.

Mike
Ron Paul is my HERO!!!

"Would you support Ron Paul for president if he was the only candidate advocating an end to the Iraq War, a balanced budget, making social security solvent and cutting government bureaucracy?"

Maybe this would be a good question...

I think this is a great idea but I would suggest we just ask one simple question each week through all three major polls the MSM habitually reports.

That one question is :

"Who do you plan on voting for in the general election?

They either have to name a name or they can say undecided.

All the other crap is just doing what all the sleazebags do to get a result they want.

Let's just do it straight up and then we will stay on the high road. EVERY WEEK. It's the Ron Paul way to do it. Clean and simple.

I think hiring the major MSM reported pollsters is an EXCELLENT idea.

We can certainly afford it and it will be very powerful ammunition bullseye where it needs to be. Legal and organizational efforts need to begin. A website and an organization which can do it legally and above reproach according to all the campaign rules and regs etc. We can do this !

I just wanted to throw my 2-cents in.

We were taught not to convert anyone... only use these polling questions to filter for possible Paul supporters. Then let them know what they can do. As far as getting into the CFR and such... to much convincing at that point. Not worth it, move on to the next call.

I do like the first part of the script and will look at another one that I have here to maybe blend somewhat.

not exactly polling but could go along way for name recognition too.

http://www.mslteleservice...

very cheap 50,000 phone calls for $1,750 with option of having them connect to a live operator ( that would have to be us grassroots volunteers)

http://www.fakoassociates...

Who is a technical, literary, or classical writer that wants to try creating a poll?

It would be ironical if we hired someone like Frank to organize the question for us. Not Frank tho as we all have a few choice words for him *cough *cough.... I like this idea, however, it needs and requires its very own website and forum as these things are expensive to have done and requires a firm amount of independent talk and discussion to get arranged and funded. I'd be willing to set-up a forum for that purpose if need be.

FOLKS FOLKS FOLKS

PUHLEEASE, GALLUP IS A VERY BIASED POLLING ORG

YOU NEED TO TRY TO FIND AN INDEPENDENT COMPANY

YEAH WE SHOULD AVOID THE TIN FOIL HATE JARGON

DONT GET ME WRONG, I HAVE MY MISGIVINGS ABOUT 911

BUT I THINK IT MAY SCARE FOLKS OFF

LET THEM JOIN US , LET THEM SETTLE IN AND THEN

WAMMY >> 911, BOHEMIAN GROVE, WTC#7 , CHEMTRAILS , ETC ETC

LOL

JUS JOKING

PAX

How much would it cost if we hired a gallup, or pew research company to do polling?

My blog is mostly chicks doing yoga, Ron Paul, and puppies

Interesting - they have a "campaign manager" package for 300 bucks.

http://www.zogby.com/news...

A nationally-recognized poll would be GREAT.

However, our local groups can also do some FREE LOCAL polling of our own. All it takes is a phone, a phone book (optionally cross-checked with a voter's list from the county clerk), and a few volunteers working from home or whereever.

I'm attaching a sample script that I'm working on for our local Meetup group to use... It still needs a little polishing and "fleshing out." But since this topic came up right now, I thought I'd share what I have so far...

SCRIPT:

"Hello, I'm [firstname], and I'm calling from [your city (or county)
name here]. I'm working with a local group to poll local voters about their choice in the upcoming Presidential Primary election on Feb. 5th, 2008. May I ask you a couple of quick questions, so your vote can be counted? It won't take much more than a minute of your time.

IF "NO" - "OK... Thanks anyway neighbor, sorry to have bothered you." (Hang up politely.)

IF "YES" - "Thank you very, very much. First Question:

"Yes or No... Did you vote in the last Presidential Primary election, held in Feb. 2004?" (Record answer below:)

IF "NO" - "OK, Which of the following best fits your reasons why you didn't choose to vote:"
"1 - Simply forgot to vote"
"2 - Dislike all of the candidates on the ballot"
"3 - Dislike voting in general"
"4 - Wasn't able to vote for unavoidable reason"

IF "YES" - "Good for you. Which party's ballot did you vote in? (In alphabetical order:)"
"1 - Constitution Party"
"2 - Democrat Party"
"3 - Libertarian Party"
"4 - Reform Party"
"5 - Republican Party"
"6 - Another Party not listed here"

IF "Democrat" - "Have you heard of Presidential Candidate Ron Paul?
...{continue script with reasons Democrats are supporting Ron Paul...)

IF "Libertarian" - "Have you heard of Presidential Candidate Ron Paul? He ran as the Libertarian candidate for President in 1988, and he is running for president again, but this time under the Republican party, because he learned that the current system is designed to exclude "so-called third party" candidates. ...{continue script with reasons libertarians are supporting Ron Paul...)

...(continue with similar scripts for other "3rd" parties)

IF "Republican" - "I'm going to say the names of all the current Republican presidential candidates, one after another... After each name, please tell me how much you feel you know about each candidate by responding either:
I know A LOT, A LITTLE, or NOT AT ALL about each one.
(In alphabetical order:)"
[Pollster instructions: Record "LOT" "LITTLE" or "NOT" after each name.]

Rudolph Giuliani
Mike Huckabee
Duncan Hunter
Alan Keyes
John McCain
Ron Paul
Mitt Romney
Tom Tancredo
Fred Thompson

Based on what you know about each candidate right now, which candidate (or candidates) are you considering to vote for in this upcoming primary election?

IF "Ron Paul" - "Great choice! Say, did you know that there are
several Ron Paul supporter groups in the area? ...etc...

IF they choose any CFR-member candidates...
Republican CFR Candidates: Romney - Giuliani - McCain - Thompson
(Democrat CFR Candidates: Obama - Clinton - Edwards - Dodd - Richardson)

"Please answer YES or NO to the following: Are you aware that [name any CFR candidates they mentioned] is/are an influential member(s) of the Council on Foreign Relations, a powerful elitist organization that has publicly stated its goals of reducing American independence and to form what's being called "the NAU" or "North American Union" - which is basically an "European Union-style" regional government consisting of Mexico, the United States & Canada? YES or NO?"

IF "YES" - "Knowing this, why do you continue to support this/these candidate(s)?"
[Pollster: record their answer in brief, then continue with:]
"Thank you for your time participating in our poll... Good-bye."

IF "NO" - " U.S. Representative Dr. Ron Paul is the only candidate
that has publicly opposed the formation of the North American Union, as well as all other actions that would erode U.S. sovereignty and our right to govern ourselves. He is known as "The Taxpayers Best Friend" and - "The champion of the Constitution" - since he insists that the Federal government actually follow the laws as written, and reduce the size of the bureaucracy in Washington D.C.
Now that you know all of this, are you prepared to consider Ron Paul as a possible alternative presidential candidate?"

IF "NO" - "What are your reasons for disagreeing with the U.S. Constitution?

IF "YES" or "MAYBE" - (add encouragement here...)

ETC...

(As I said, this is just a suggestion of what you and your group can do. Modify it to suit your own tastes and to better serve your local area... For instance, it's a good idea to mention the actual primary/caucus DATE instead of just saying "upcoming primaries" as the sample shown above.)

In the poll process, remind all volunteers to always BE POLITE no matter what sort of pro-war hawk neo-con or socialist yahoo you happen to call. This is just an information gathering exercise (with the side benefit of softly pushing Ron Paul's name). Don't do or say anything to HURT the Ron Paul campaign. The Big Elitist MainStream Media has that job well in hand already! ;)

As much as we think Mr. Luntz rigs polls, we can use their own tactics to create the poll needed to get a poll that isn't skewed in a certain direction.

I will see if I can find a copy in PDF format that gives some clue on how to ask the questions.

DOES RON PAUL HAVE HIS OWN POLSTER?

I HEARD MOST LEGIT CAMPAIGNS DO...

iffin he dont he needs to get one

can i get an amen?

pax

I agree, it should be a "respected" poll (whatever the hell that means) Zogby, Gallup etc.

I'm soooooo tired of the MSM claiming Ron Paul an illegitimate candidate because of this sh#t.

How much could this really cost, they normally only call like 1000 people anyways.

BUUUUT I have a few questions:

#1: How can we assure we'll reach "likely voters"? If we ask people randomly, the more well known candidate would just win, in fact McCain albeit almost dead as of now, would poll much higher than the doctor. Or by past voters who maybe many have been disillusioned by their party (haven't voted for years), too young to vote (will definitely vote this time around), or people who were fooled into the fear-mongering of Bush but have since turned a leaf. etc etc

#2: How do we reach the powerful (at least for us) younger audience? When so many have no landlines or aren't bored enough to talk with a poller.

#3: How do we convince the media we haven't loaded the poll ourselves?

Bout time we did our own polls.

And don't bother hiding who's behind the poll when you publish the results. That will get out on it's own.

My suggestion is to be transparent and frank about the poll's origin. Try to make the emphasis on your polling methods and data integrity.

These are some questions that we used in a survey our meetup group conducted. It really gave us some insight into how people were thinking locally. We just tested issues not RP when we did the survey.

I am listing these here to start a brainstorming session for possible questions. I didn't want someone to have to totally reinvent the wheel.

From survey:

Next, I will make several statements. As I read each of them, I will ask you to rate them on a scale from 1 to 5, with 5 being Strongly Agree and 1 being Strongly Disagree. (Circle the appropriate number for each response.)

[Q1] The federal income tax system
needs to be changed. (Taxation)

[Q2] It is important that Americans have the
right to own a gun. (Gun Ownership)

[Q3] U.S. borders should be more secure.
(Secure Borders)

[Q4] I do not believe we should be in a war
with Iraq. (Iraq War)

[Q5] The government has too much
access to my personal information.
(Privacy)

[Q6] Public schools should be under local
control. (Control of Public Schools)

[Q7] Laws should be harder on illegal
immigrants. (Illegal Immigration)

[Q8] Roe vs. Wade should be overturned.
(Abortion)

[Q9] Healthcare is not the responsibility of
the government. (Healthcare)

Note to interviewer: Look for the 3 strongest agreements to the above statements (i.e., highest ranking. Use judgment to break ties.) Use the following codes to record statements: Taxation (TA), Gun Ownership (GO), Secure Borders (SB), Iraq War (IW), Privacy (PR), Control of Public Schools (PS), Illegal Immigration (II), Abortion (AB)

[Q9] Please rank the issues of _______________, ________________, and ___________ in
order of importance to you. Please list the most important issue first.

[Q9A] First Issue:

[Q9B] Second Issue:

[Q9C] Third Issue:

IF we hit the 1 million on nov 11th...we should be guaranteed to save and relax until dec 15/16th group needs big money.

This should allow us some time to do this

What do you suggest?