We now have a party to call our own. It's the Constitution Party... duh
Submitted by Jim Brown on Mon, 09/22/2008 - 19:24
Ron Paul and The Constitution Party... I like it a lot!
"Evil flourishes when good men do nothing."
—Edmund Burke
yep
I definitely need a constitutional party girk to chatta me kort!
There needs to be some
There needs to be some definite changes to the Constitutional Party Platform before I agree to join it.
“Men do not willingly read unpalatable truths of themselves. The people like those best who fool them most by pandering to their vices and flattering their foibles”—Admiral Raphael Semmes.
http://www.1776solution.blogspot.com
"People fight the gold standard because they want to substitute national autarky for free trade, war for peace, totalitarian government omnipotence for liberty." von Mises
Ron Paul did NOT say he was
Ron Paul did NOT say he was joining the Constitution Party. He did NOT say he was leaving the Republican Party. He did NOT say he was leaving the Libertarian Party. I'm still a Republican just like Ron Paul.
Good luck. SUPPORT OUR
Good luck.
SUPPORT OUR FOUNDERS' AMERICA
Support the Constitution of the United States
SUPPORT OUR FOUNDERS' AMERICA
Support the Constitution of the United States
Thank you! I'll need it!
Thank you! I'll need it! I've read the CP platform, good luck to you too, you'll need it!
Is there going to be a Money
Is there going to be a Money Bomb for Chuck now?
SUPPORT OUR FOUNDERS' AMERICA
Support the Constitution of the United States
SUPPORT OUR FOUNDERS' AMERICA
Support the Constitution of the United States
Endorsing Chuck Baldwin is not the same as adopting the
Constitution Party.
Free and Brave
or Cradle to Grave
You can't have both
Free and Brave
or Cradle to Grave
You can't have both
I don't agree, but let's say
I don't agree, but let's say I did. Baldwin's campaign platform has troubles of its own. And then there's his past statements, some of which are quite scary from a libertarian perspective.
Of course, theocrats have no problem casting libertarianism aside for the Lord. I mean, it's THE LORD, for Heaven's sake! *rolling eyes*
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Democrats want to be your mommy.
Republicans want to be your daddy.
Libertarians want to treat you like an adult.
I'm a Libertarian...you
I'm a Libertarian...you don't speak for all of us. Baldwin is not a theocrat like huckabooboo you nard! Quit your hate of fellow Americans who believe in Christianity...you are just as bad as christians who hate.
If you truly followed Chuck Baldwin and his past writings and not the Constitution party platform...you would see that he is his own man and that he is legit, solid, and a true constitutionalist. I have watched you bitch and moan all over these forums...get over it dude...our party elected a piece of CRAP...Barr....we deserve to pay the price. Maybe we will learn a thing or two for the future.
Baldwin is by far the best choice...if you cannot see that...well fine...that is your opinion, but stop posting false info based on your biases! Our party missed its opportunity...we failed. The belief in Liberty is not limited to our Libertarian party.
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Federal Reserve to the American People:
"Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam."
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Federal Reserve to the American People:
"Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam."
It's the Jesus Cooties.
It's the Jesus Cooties.
Christian conservatives are "scary" from a "libertarian perspective" to those who put judgment of people based on their religion on the front burners. Baldwin is a southern preacher; he says things one would expect a southern preacher to say. At no point has he ever advocated using federal authority to force his views on others, but maybe there's something about the Tenth Amendment that socially liberal 'libertarians' do not understand.
SUPPORT OUR FOUNDERS' AMERICA
Support the Constitution of the United States
SUPPORT OUR FOUNDERS' AMERICA
Support the Constitution of the United States
The C4L Is A Republican Movement
As defined by Ron Paul, the C4L is a reform movement in the Republican Party.
Thank God we have Chuck Baldwin as a sane surrogate for Ron Paul. We are voting for Chuck. His Party is an option on down the road, maybe but what we would really like to see happen is for Chuck to rejoin the Republican Party and run for Congress, the Senate or for Governor.
Change "we" to "I", as in
Change "we" to "I", as in you are voting for Chuck Baldwin and we're good.
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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore
I agree.
I agree.
What better than the Constitution...
that is what our country is founded on. I am so glad that Ron Paul gave his expressed endorsement for Chuck Baldwin, and the Constitution Party. I was one of the few Ron Paul supporters that was very torn.
I think you need to read this:
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/63447
I am Jack's complete and utter disappointment
I can't support a group that sits on a Christian platform. Why can't we get a party that supports the constitution as its primary goal versus its second?
I dont see faith-based issues to be the party's primary goal
theyd get nothing done- they simply dont have the Constitutional rights to act outside. They may have pet projects- gambling etc- but they acknowledge those should be left up to the state. They are anti-porn- Im not sure if that means we want to have govt regulations on the interwebs. THAT would be bad (gots to have mah pron) A candidate that Ron Paul endorsed, but was hell-bent on controlling the net would be a deal breaker for me. Id vote Nader. The internet is the only reason we even know were in the mess we're in. May as well poke our eyes out.
Live Free or Diebold
I'm afraid Ron's previously
I'm afraid Ron's previously vague positions, which had the effect of making him a cipher that everyone could project their personal beliefs onto, have been eliminated. With his support for Baldwin and the unConstitutional Party out in the open, he is no longer in alignment with my support.
Ventura 2012!
I'll be changing my name to FreeJesseVentura.
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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore
Nahhhh
Folks like you and I compromised on some little things in order to support Paul, and I'm sure he's compromised on somethings that are little to him in order to support Baldwin.
It may be a bridge too far for you and me, but Ron Paul is still the man.
Well said. Oh and I didn't
Well said.
Oh and I didn't know we could change usernames! Too bad I'll be leaving soon...
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Liberty for Dummies
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Democrats want to be your mommy.
Republicans want to be your daddy.
Libertarians want to treat you like an adult.
KOOL
KOOL!
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Federal Reserve to the American People:
"Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam."
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Federal Reserve to the American People:
"Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam."
From a constitutional perspective
I don't think they should even have a position on porn. The fact that they have made a statement means they have an agenda
Lol is this a joke you are
Lol is this a joke you are arguing wether it is right for the Constitution Party to want to stop pornography? I know it is everyones right to porn if they want to. There are much larger things to worry about at the moment than losing your porn!
it opens the door to federal regulation of the internet
Fortune Favors the Bold
which is a very big deal. people have different priorities.
Fortune Favors the Bold
it is THE party that supports the Constitution as intended...
...by the founders...
Patrick Henry-
March 23, 1775
"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"
"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here."
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/founding.html#gw
2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
That may be the most reasonless response possible
1.) Bush has lots of quotes about being a Christian. Should I just cut and paste them here as a response?
2.) If you can't respond with real logic, then you are just propagating dogma. It is a circular to suggest that religion will free us because religion will free us.
3.) Why do the founder's religious beliefs matter? They made a point of saying that they don't matter by creating separate of church and state. I thank the Christian tradition for creating such a wonderful set of people to stand up for individual freedoms, but that doesn't mean the Christian tradition is the only or best answer. I also don't than the Christian tradition for making my life much less fulfilling as a whole
4.) The Christian tradition has changed over time. The current tradition is not the same as the tradition of the time.
5.) You can't know they weren't pandering? At that point in time, being a non-religious public figure wasn't just taboo, it would have gotten you a visit from a local mob with torches and pitchforks.
He's probably right about Henry
But that doesn't mean that good ol' Ben F. and the rest were of the same mind!
"Some books against Deism fell into my hands; they were said to be the substance of sermons preached at Boyle's lectures. [Robert Boyle (1627-1691) was a British physicist who endowed the Boyle Lectures for defense of Christianity.]It happened that they wrought an effect on me quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a thorough deist"
[Benjamin Franklin, "Autobiography,"p.66 as published in *The American Tradition in Literature,* seventh edition (short), McGraw-Hill,p.180]
Takes all kinds.
I like you. Where have you
I like you. Where have you been hiding?
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Liberty for Dummies
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Democrats want to be your mommy.
Republicans want to be your daddy.
Libertarians want to treat you like an adult.
ahhh, yes...it is not "reasonable" to listen to writers of the..
Constitution, you think?...not listening to them is "unreasonable".
2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
You posted a quote
that could have come from the lips of George W. Bush.
The founders created separation of church and state to protect me from people like you.
Maybe its time for a new set of founders
And a new web site to
And a new web site to support.
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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore
no..i posted a quote from PATRICK HENRY a founding father...
you know...one of THE actual men who was there at the time of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the united States of America, and the Bill of Rights in the Constitution.Who actually fought in the Revolutionary War...who said, "...give me liberty or give me death."
George Bush (neither of them) have followed the Constitution of the united States, but have subverted it whenever possible. So, No, George Bush would never think to say such words as were quoted. How you dare even make such a statement is beyond me...
2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
Because people say the darndest things
when they are trying to get other people to do things.
The founding fathers left a great legacy, but they weren't infallible. A lot of them had slaves. Should we bring back slavery?
are you in financial debt?
x
2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
then you are a slave to that debt...
that is the slavery talked about in the Bible, and it is not a lifetime slavery.declared by elitist or dictators. it was meant as the way to pay off debt owed. the Bible also has directions for the Christian slave masters on how they are to treat their slaves. remember every 7 years by God's law these slaves were set free...and their debts paid for by Jubilee. the slavery abdicated in the Bible is not the slavery that was imposed on the Black people from Africa.
2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
uhhh....I said I don't have any debt
so I'm not a slave, right?
do you sin?
x
then your the slave to sin.
2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
Where do you get the nerve
Where do you get the nerve to lecture others about their beliefs? You must be a kid because adults don't behave like that.
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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore
he asked me a question...shall i not answer it?
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/63416#comment-667456
2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
I usually try to be diplomatic
but that's just childish and stupid
are you really free? or a servant?
John 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
John 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
You convinced me
I'm in
another soul brow-beaten into eternal salvation
wtg chris. You can tell how powerful Christianity is by its ability to survive in spite of its so-called friends.
Live Free or Diebold
so you're saying the founders weren't christians?
They didn't follow those policies
You're going to have to draw the connection for me
I don't have any debt. I don't need it.
we have to get through
this pesky upcoming dark age first...maybe in 50 to a hundred years they will make themselves known.
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You are absolutely right!
Most of the colonies were founded because of a search for religious freedom!
And it was freedom from a state church that they sought.
Libera me, let the truth break, what my fears make--Leslie Phillips
We do not need to get good laws to restrain bad people,
we need to get good people to restrain bad laws. --
--G.K. Chesterton
Numerous states had official state churches
The federal Constitution prohibited CONGRESS to establish a national church. But several states had their own official churches, much the way everyone in Sweden (until a few years ago) was automatically born a member of the Church of Sweden, a Lutheran church. Finland, Norway, Denmak, Iceland, ditto.
This was okay under the U.S. Constitution, but phased out in the early 1800's.
Bonus points to anyone who can identify the various states and what their official churches were. (I already know).
I don't care much for any of them, so I would not fit in. But nonetheless, having a state church was a power reserved to the states under the 10th amendment.
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Oooh Oooh!
Quakers and Pennsylvania!
Puritans and Massachusetts!
Though I will dispute the extend of the 'state' religion part... Churches controlled the political process in various townships, and they undoubtedly dominated aspects of early colonial life, but I'm pretty sure at the after the constitution was ratified every state extended suffrage to its entire white male population in order to maximize its representation in congress... though I could be wrong... I had that history class several years back.