I was in a bar last night....
Submitted by LastAmericanStanding on Sun, 09/28/2008 - 12:43
No, I was working. Trying to fix their backroom floor before the Sunday brunch. Didn't get out till almost midnight.
It's a college bar full of college kids blowing off steam on the weekend.
Anyway, I would poke my head into the bar area every now and then and nearly every time I would say, either in my head or to myself:
"My God, are we in trouble".
Immersed in the RP Revolution as I am, it amazes me the amount of people still wandering the earth in 'condition green', like nothing bad was going on.
Theses kids are all going to be on the hook to the tune of an additional 6 - 10K in taxes when this bill passes, and here they are completely shitfaced on Saturday night.
Maybe this was how it was during VietNam too, I don't know. Maybe it's just a small contingency that actually have the brain capacity to get involved and try to do something. They certainly weren't in attendance last night.
Just wanted to share. I went home and checked the DP before bed to see if the world was still intact, had a beer and hit the sack.
Oh, to be young and clueless again....
you need to listen to doctor
you need to listen to doctor savage on fridays even he will be fed up with politics and start talking about the best wines and music.
Unless you want to be johnny overbearing dull boy then don't sweat it too much. Do you talk religion while making love?
I had a party last night.
Some were mad that I wasn't voting for Obama.
I told them I am going to vote for Chuck Baldwin. They said not to waste my vote.
Reminds me of when I stood up at the Nevada Caucus to speak for Ron Paul in front of 3 precincts. While I was walking up a guy said, why waste your vote.
I saw one kid scratch out Romney and put Ron Paul.
But Obama supporters are so anti-McCain they do not want to risk having him in office. I feel for them I do. But a principled vote is what the Dr. Prescribes.
They are at a bar
They are at a bar to blow off steam not create more of it. When they get back in their dorms and are sucking down youtube videos that's when their brains are active.
College > bar > come on now...
Unless you want to be a complete outcast you don't talk politics at a bar if you are in college. College guys don't talk politics unless it's to someone they absolutely don't want to go home with. lol
I wish you were correct. But you are not.
The typical college student does not "think" for themselves. Everything has to be explained in detail. If they are confused, which is often, they simply get out the cell phone and call a friend or, usually, a parent to get instructions. Very little time is spent thinking about the world around them, or more importantly, their place in it. They spend outrageous amounts of money on high-grade marijuana, $80-90 a quarter ounce, so the idea that they understand finances is absurd. I work at and go to a university. Many of the faculty believe that they are better than anyone else because they have Phd's, so rules cannot apply to Phd's because they are better than everyone else. This is what the students see and hear, so they think that," hey , we are getting degrees, so the rules don't apply to us either", and then the faculty can't figure out why we have a nationwide rate of 75% cheating in universities. This is why our economy is in a shambles, because our society has been teaching for years that there is a class system. Also, only about 25% do any of the assigned reading, they don't "waste" money on books. It is easy to see in class who has, and who has not done the reading. Most don't say anything because they probably did not read, but you get the majority of class time being taken up with questions or comments that were addressed in the readings.
no offense
Did you expect to see everyone in the bar debating politics and wearing ron paul t-shirts? (as nice as that sounds...c'mon).
I was in a bar last night
with a Priest, a Rabi and a monkey. Is this thing On (tap, tap, tap....)? Take my wife. Please! Tip your waitresses and careful driving home.
I am in college and I am in
I am in college and I am in tune.....but I am in the minority sadly.
Everyone just tells me not to worry so much. I really don't worry, I just prepare for the worst. I guess that is the eagle scout in me.
I had a thought about college awhile ago
and I came to me; what if colleges really weren't places that were supposed to teach people a vocation or trade (I mean how many of us really used our college education?). What if their real purpose is to be a place to put young people in debt? Think about all the students who get loans? Sure, they're low interest, but it's still a sure thing racket. That's why I see that quality education isn't the goal of these institutions at all; their goal is just to perpetrate the myth that having a degree = better employment = $. Everyone's money oriented as a goal, & it's easy to dupe young people into thinking a college degree is going to get that for them - wrong. Just something to ruminate......
racket
In a money-based society, rackets are abundant. I used to work as a college educator, and I know for a fact from the inside, that administrators make the real decisions based on money...whatever brings in the most tuition, whether from individuals or from various grants and loans, is the right thing to do in their minds. Education is an after-thought.
War is a racket, right? Everyone knows that. It goes beyond that. It's a military-industrial-educational-medical-credit-banking complex.
Might is right, whatever it takes to make a buck, and survival of the richest are the rules of the racket.
And why do you think....
that the attendee list for groups like the CFR, Bilderberger, Bohemian Grove and Davos are never without the presidents and CEO's of virtually ALL of the upper echelons of academia's places of "higher learning"?
Could there be "conspiracy" to design curriculum's almost completely devoid of critical thinking? No.....of course not...that's crazy and paranoid...isn't it?
I spent 5 years chasing an accounting degree and spent all of six months counting other's beans rather than living my life observing, and creating. Glad I woke up... College was a colossal waste of time and truly has nothing at all to do with financial success...which emanates from internal resonance and intent and nothing else.
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AJ, and how do you propose
AJ, and how do you propose we de-populate? I personally feel that nature will take care of the problem of overpopulation....the earth is revolting already. Civlilization and our society of consumption is the biggest problem.
“Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.” -George Bernard Shaw
follow nature
Good point. If we had the ability to choose and control, perhaps the most humane way to de-populate is to assist the natural processes:
let the starving starve (send morphine, not food) etc
It just seems too slow; if we could eradicate the Indians, Chinese, and South Americans now, before they strip the Earth bare trying to imitate their idiot cousins in the USA, that'd be nice.
I don't really find you very amusing
How bout people just try having two childrn to replace the two parent then population doesn't grow. People who think like you need to for sure stay out of my families life. I would prefer you had no children. I would feel sorry for them that they would have to hear your ideas.
these retards still never heard of our president
They keep asking: Who is this Ron Paul guy?
Retards?
I think you are the one who is clueless...
When did you hear of Ron Paul? Last year? The people that have followed him for 20 years may very well call you a "retard" then.
Completely unnecessary comment you made.
I don't owe you shit retard
Who the fuck are you? You don't know me so fuck off you liberal fag!
I was in a bar
Dinner time, adults 40-to-retired, Philles game on, eating and drinking going on. I have my RON PAUL T-shirt on, they were clueless also.
This is not just the young, but we only need 10% to revolt to get this started.
truth
The truth is totally unacceptable to the psychological state of the modern person.
1) Our economic system depends on infinite growth in a finite system, which is impossible and obviously doomed.
2) We're about to choke ourselves to death by overpopulating the earth and destroying natural resources (like water and air) in our vain attempt to keep growing and developing.
3) The solutions only make sense if you accept that we are the problem, we are the cancer:
a. only a photosynthesis-based energy system is sustainable
b. we have to match our population to our available energy by reducing the population rather than by increasing the available energy
4) People are just animals who are supposed to hunt and gather in small tribes that wander around. Greed feeds the cancer, laziness feeds the cancer, civilization feeds the cancer, industry feeds the cancer.
5) In our attempt to avoid the legitimate suffering of natural processes, we have created a psychological illness of monstrous proportions with awful physical consequences.
Sounds like the elite talking to me
their philosophy is get rid of them...they call us feeders
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master... George Washington
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master... George Washington
People in general aren't as
stupid or asleep as you might think.
If I had some cash on me last night, I was in the mood for some good brew myself.
For all the bartenders out there - you have job security. No matter how bad life gets, people will always drink. In fact, the worse it gets, the more they drink. And if they are unemployed, they will spend all day at your bar, drinking away their savings, or their credit limits. Of course, tips won't get any better, but you will have a job for a long time to come.
If people have food, electricity and a roof over their heads...
...its amazing what they will put up with. The vocal minority is waking up, but we have a long way to go yet.
"As for me and my home. We will read Peter Schiff."
"Being an old farm boy myself, chickens coming home to roost never did make me sad; they've always made me glad." - Malcolm X.
"Armed robber him need gun. Authority man him need pen.
Authority man in charge of money. Him no need gun, him need pen. Pen got power gun no get. If gun steal eighty thousand naira. Pen go steal two billion naira." - Fela Kuti
The college population for
The college population for the most part is just as asleep as the gen. pop.
The ones in college who think they are 'aware' and 'conscious' and whatnot are mainly little commie hipsters, and are just as clueless as the rest, they only think they know.
Power To The People?
Power To The People?
Hey! I used to be a "little commie hipster".
I knew alot about US/EU foreign policy. Not so much about economics!
"As for me and my home. We will read Peter Schiff."
"Being an old farm boy myself, chickens coming home to roost never did make me sad; they've always made me glad." - Malcolm X.
"Armed robber him need gun. Authority man him need pen.
Authority man in charge of money. Him no need gun, him need pen. Pen got power gun no get. If gun steal eighty thousand naira. Pen go steal two billion naira." - Fela Kuti
No, back in the 60's the young people where much more
engaged. With the war, the draft, the assassinations and Watergate, politics was much more on the minds of the young. Plus most of the music was focused on the current events.
Credit is equal to slavery.
I suppose they were probably running up their credit cards and having a gay ole time. I wish I could pull them aside and teach them not to use credit. Don't take student loans and work their way through college. It is a longer path, but it is so much better than becoming a slave.
grant
That's a myth
Slavery=being physically forced to do something contrary to one's own will.
Credit card use is voluntary.
Bro
You can't work your way through college when college is over $30K a year. How many kids do you know with part-time or even full-time jobs that make over $30K a year while still taking full-time classes? I do agree with working in college, but that's for living expenses, NOT for loans. Due to inflation, loans are a necessity along with financial aid. That's just the real world.
didn't have that problem
when we had apprenticeship.
Here's how it can be done
The first two years are all intro classes and are the same no matter where you go; so go to a community college for transfer credits. Don't take any classes that won't transfer to 4 year school and don't waste time getting an AA degree. You can do your first two years of school for under $10,000. Then you can pursue the last two years at a 4 years school. Do well enough in community college and scholoarships become available. My girlfriend just did this method, I paid cash for her education and it was only $22,000 total. Everyone would rather bitch and moan than buck up, get a strategy and carry it out. Now she's finished and it seems like nothing. Personally, as someone with a BA in Cultural Anthropology and an MBA in Marketing who makes graphics, I don't see college as important. I use my education primarily to shut-up snobby people who think because I work in garage that I'm stupid.
FInd a college that doesn't cost $30k a year
Everyone thinks they need to go to the most expensive university, because it is "elite". Guess what? If everyone gets in, it ain't elite!
Some very good schools are quite inexpensive. Here's a list I googled, and it has some pretty good schools on the list: http://www.campusgrotto.com/cheap-colleges.html
The key seems to be going to school in-state, or at smaller private universities.
Disclaimer: I am not a college advisor, LOL.
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Hmmm
After reading the last several comments, it has become clear to me that many are misunderstood about the cost of college these days. Typically, the ones that are misunderstood have been out of college for awhile and have yet to realize how expensive it has become.
Now, I could have went to what you would call an "elite" school, I chose not to for financial reasons.
The University I go to is a great institution. No glitz and glammer and is a commuter school. My first full year was in 2003 when for 12 credits I had paid $2300. Not bad considering this "elite" University I wished to attend cost 3x that.
However, for those same 12 credits, I am now paying almost $4,000...at the SAME University...and guess what...it's like this EVERYWHERE now.
Not to mention, for 4 of your typical classes, math,science, english and a course like philosophy your books will easily cost you $500 or more...for ONE semester. This is just for your first 2 full years! Once you become "junior" status your tuition goes up about 5-8% automatically and textbooks become more expensive ($150-200 each once you start your actual program). Now, I don't know about you...but I don't know of too many jobs one could have when you are 18-22 years old that pay that kind of money.
To the person who made a comment about going to a "community college"...been there done that. The quality of education was substantially lower as are the resources available to maximize your learning. Unless you live near some immaculate well funded community college, which I have yet to find one, then you need to think about that. What may have worked for some of you older members, does not work for our generation. In the last 4 years my tuition rate has gone up on average about 10-12% a year, not to mention the second year I attended the tuition went up a staggering 18%. And it is like this acrosss the entire country.
Not to mention if you are going away to college, forget about it. The job outlook decreases. Room and board is ridiculous and supporting yourself with the basics is difficult because you are on your own. Not everyone has the ability to work and pay for school completely. I agree, you should work and pay some of it off as you go along, that is what I have done. I make decent money for being in college and I work full-time, but that is a rareity. I cannot pay up front for a full semester or year of school...and if you do not pay up front, you get charged penalties and holds are put onto your account.
If everyone tried going to a community college for their first 2 years, the waiting list to get into these community colleges would be hysterically long.
Especially if you are going to college for a specific field, let's say law or medicine...no offense, but your not going to go to a local cheap college when you have the opportunity to go to a well-established University that may have a top notch law or med program. Even for some programs like political science or criminal justice, you want to go to a school that gives you the best opportunities AFTER graduation, and the ones that do typically cost you an arm and a leg, but in the long run it is worth it because they may specialize in your field which gives you more credibility.
I am not saying that it is ok or acceptable to have student loan debt...or any debt for that matter. However, If I have to make the decision of going to school and having debt, or sitting on my ass with no debt, i'll take the first option. Work hard, contribute as much as you can. Most student loan programs will let you pay off your debt without getting charged interest because you are not supposed to get your first bill until 6 months after graduation. But if you so choose, you can make payments toward your loans and pay off the principal while you are in school.
This is just my opinion, based on my own experience. I don't care if it does not follow the so called "ron paul" thought on this...this is what I know and have had to deal with. It is much different than you are all making it appear.