Like a Dumpling: Full of Pork. SENATE PASSES BAILOUT BILL 74 - 25. Roll Call Vote Here.
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Here is the Senate roll call vote. The official name of this bill is: H.R. 1424 The Paul Wellstone Mental Health and Addiction Equity Act of 2007. WTF? At least that is what the Senate site says!
Like a dumpling, this bill is filled with pork, including: $150 billion in tax breaks for individuals and businesses, an increase in the amount of bank deposits covered by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, to $250,000 from $100,000 (wish I needed that!), AND the entire package was attached to legislation requiring insurers to treat mental health conditions more like general health problems. WTF? The initial Treasury Department proposal was three pages; the latest version passed is over 450. Exponential growth, just like Government - debt, power and abuse.
McBama both voted for the pork. House will vote Friday morning. All of this will be paid for by your kids and grandkids. At this point, I think the best way I can protect my children is by not having them.
They keep telling us not to call it a bailout bill. Ha. It is a bailout bill.
What we need is:
1) The roll call vote so we know who to vote out of office, and we need to start concerted, local efforts to really do so.
2) We need to stay on the House members, and make sure this thing doesn't pass.
Finally, they said we needed this "for the markets." As if we are here to serve the market, and not the other way around. Well, check for yourself - overnight futures are down!
Heroes & Fools --> See below
Heroes (for the day) - All 25 Nays, from the US Senate site:
Allard (R-CO), Nay
Barrasso (R-WY), Nay
Brownback (R-KS), Nay
Bunning (R-KY), Nay
Cantwell (D-WA), Nay
Cochran (R-MS), Nay
Crapo (R-ID), Nay
DeMint (R-SC), Nay
Dole (R-NC), Nay
Dorgan (D-ND), Nay
Enzi (R-WY), Nay
Feingold (D-WI), Nay
Inhofe (R-OK), Nay
Johnson (D-SD), Nay
Kennedy (D-MA), Not Voting
Landrieu (D-LA), Nay
Nelson (D-FL), Nay
Roberts (R-KS), Nay
Sanders (I-VT), Nay
Sessions (R-AL), Nay
Shelby (R-AL), Nay
Stabenow (D-MI), Nay
Tester (D-MT), Nay
Vitter (R-LA), Nay
Wicker (R-MS), Nay
Wyden (D-OR), Nay
And the Fools - 74 Yeas, from the US Senate site:
Akaka (D-HI), Yea
Alexander (R-TN), Yea
Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Bayh (D-IN), Yea
Bennett (R-UT), Yea
Biden (D-DE), Yea
Bingaman (D-NM), Yea
Bond (R-MO), Yea
Boxer (D-CA), Yea
Brown (D-OH), Yea
Burr (R-NC), Yea
Byrd (D-WV), Yea
Cardin (D-MD), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Casey (D-PA), Yea
Chambliss (R-GA), Yea
Clinton (D-NY), Yea
Coburn (R-OK), Yea
Coleman (R-MN), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Yea
Conrad (D-ND), Yea
Corker (R-TN), Yea
Cornyn (R-TX), Yea
Craig (R-ID), Yea
Dodd (D-CT), Yea
Domenici (R-NM), Yea
Durbin (D-IL), Yea
Ensign (R-NV), Yea
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Graham (R-SC), Yea
Grassley (R-IA), Yea
Gregg (R-NH), Yea
Hagel (R-NE), Yea
Harkin (D-IA), Yea
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Inouye (D-HI), Yea
Isakson (R-GA), Yea
Kerry (D-MA), Yea
Klobuchar (D-MN), Yea
Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Kyl (R-AZ), Yea
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea
Leahy (D-VT), Yea
Levin (D-MI), Yea
Lieberman (ID-CT), Yea
Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
Lugar (R-IN), Yea
Martinez (R-FL), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Yea
McCaskill (D-MO), Yea
McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Menendez (D-NJ), Yea
Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Yea
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Obama (D-IL), Yea
Pryor (D-AR), Yea
Reed (D-RI), Yea
Reid (D-NV), Yea
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Salazar (D-CO), Yea
Schumer (D-NY), Yea
Smith (R-OR), Yea
Snowe (R-ME), Yea
Specter (R-PA), Yea
Stevens (R-AK), Yea
Sununu (R-NH), Yea
Thune (R-SD), Yea
Voinovich (R-OH), Yea
Warner (R-VA), Yea
Webb (D-VA), Yea
Whitehouse (D-RI), Yea
An Eye for an Aye! IF IN DOUBT, VOTE THEM OUT!
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Heroes (for the day)
Heroes (for the day) – so true, so true
…and yet, what are the others? Fools to be sure, but not just for-the-day.
The original bill said, “give us the money, or the market gets it” to paraphrase Jim Willie. I wonder if the final bill gives the Secretary of Treasury czar like powers. By the way, how much power does the US Constitution give to a Czar anyway?
I just saw a cartoon with Bush in a Che t-shirt. The caption;
I was against socialism… before I was for it.
both Harkin and Grassely
voted yes in iowa, i'm deeply disappointed, and i aim to write them and tell them "they are done". i wont be voting for them ever. and i will tell everyone i know how i feel about them too.
All the Senators in:
Ms, La and Ala. voted Nay. Thank You Deep South!!
McBama both voted for the pork
sic!
You're right about protecting your children...
The best way to protect your children now is...
To not have any.
I accuse!
I accuse all Senators who voted for the EESA guilty of accepting BRIBES!
Sweeteners? Pork? Special interests? Earmarks? What the hell?!
Those are BRIBES!
These Senators had to be given bribes in order to vote for this 451-page trashheap, which in turn helps them in their reelection campaigns.
Therefore, they are guilty of accepting bribes for their vote.
PROSECUTE! PROSECUTE! PROSECUTE!
Call, make them prosecute.
Call, make them prosecute. There must be one god dammed patriotic cop somewhere in America that will put his ass on the line to arrest one of these bastards. Find him.
Article 1, Section 7 of the
Article 1, Section 7 of the Constitution requires that bills for raising revenue pass the house first.
If you guy voted for this than contact your state attorney general and have them press charges of treason on the members that voted for this.
My Letter to John Cornyn
http://lonallen.com/2008/...
Yvonne Schick for Senate 2008!
http://yvonneforsenate.co...
turncoat!
my email to maryland senator mikulski:
sent under 'crime' category:
"congratulations for being an accomplice to a record-breaking nationwide fleecing of 300 million americans...
funny how you just lost all your political integrity in the 'twinkling of an eye' - which is about how long it took to cast that 3 letter vote.
mm mm mm."
DOW going down 200+ on Senate Bailout
The markets just opened less than an hour ago... The immediate reaction is:
The NYSE & DOW are both DOWN over 200 points.
Guess the "markets" actually don't like the Big Bucks Bailout any more than we do.
The House of "Representatives" better take notice.
Puerto Rican Rum & Race Car Tracks
Does anyone know which senators inserted earmarks into the bailout bill for these 2 items?
The Cuba Libre Sipping Nascar Fans?
I don't know which ones they are though :)
From my Rep. that voted NO
Thank you . . .
. . for contacting me about the financial crisis package recently considered in Congress. I share your anger and frustration about this situation. Although I think we need to act to fix our American economy, I do not feel this bill is the right way to do it, and I voted against this package when it came before me in the Senate.
What is most outrageous to me is that this is not an accident. We are in this crisis because of a failed philosophy and a failed set of priorities that have rewarded greed. We have seen policies of massive deregulation and willful neglect of what is going on in these markets.
We know there is a crisis on Wall Street, but there's a much bigger crisis in Michigan and across America. Hard-working families, who play by the rules, are the ones in crisis every single day, and this bill does little for them. People are losing their health care, their pensions, their jobs, and their homes.
This legislation is fundamentally the wrong approach to fixing our economy. We need to start from the root of the problem and help families stay in their homes and keep their jobs.
Just last week, the Senate was unable to get bipartisan support for a jobs bill that would have helped families in Michigan who are suffering the worst in this economy. Our bill would have created desperately needed jobs in Michigan. That bill represented the right priorities!
Although I'm glad the final bill included some alternative energy tax provisions that I have championed in the Senate, the underlying legislation did not do enough to address the real problems of jobs, health care, energy independence, and home foreclosures.
In the coming months, I will continue fighting to stop the policies that got us to this crisis and hold the people accountable who failed to protect our country. Most importantly, I will continue to focus on creating new jobs in Michigan.
Thank you again for contacting me. Please continue to keep me informed about issues of concern to you and your family.
Sincerely,
Debbie Stabenow
United States Senator
Lets "thank-her" shall we? senator@stabenow.senate.gov
We have to use this to our advantage.
It should be to our advantage that people will be more upset with a 450 page bailout than a 3 page bailout. Call your reps and ask them if they read it all yet. Ask Ron Paul if we should ask that the whole 450 page bill be read outloud and debated again.
What if the government was unable to sell more Treasury bills? What if China and Japan began to sell? Wouldn't the Treasury be forced to mint money?
Seems to me that if we want to take power away from the elite who benefit from the Federal government, then people need to stop holding and investing in T-bills and put wealth in their own bank. An investment in T-bills empowers the elitists controlling the Federal government. Remember T-bills are just paper, just like FRNs. Withdrawling our investment is their biggest fear. Holding onto T-bills locks up dollars as they say. I suggest investing in something other than T-bills such as your local economy, food, supplies, silver and gold. These items stimulate our economy and the individual is empowered. But, what the hell do I know?
grant
remember paul wellstone?
http://en.wikipedia.org/w...
he was on those 'socialists' some of you love to hate. he made Bernie Sanders look conservative.
died in a plane crash in 2002, right after his vote AGAINST the invasion of Iraq, and right before his re-election (Coleman won his seat).
who knows how he would have voted if he had lived, but i'm willing to bet a silver dollar that there is no way in hell he would have supported this bill.
talk about rolling over in one's grave....
sick bastards.
we got to get them OUT
Mental
It is called HR 1424, The Paul Wellstone Mental Health and Addiction Equity Act of 2007 because spending bills have to originate in the House.
This atrocious psychiatric parity bill has been on the shelf due to widespread and continuing opposition to the crazy idea that insurance companies and insurance customers should be forced to insure psychiatric care at the same level as medical care ("parity").
Now they have added the derivative bailout to this moldy holdover so they can say that the spending proposal was originated in the House.
It's insane.
liberty yields harmony; tyrany yields chaos
It's insane because they are insane....
they will be needing that Mental Health insurance.
it's real socialism
what's so ironic about the bill itself is pure socialism
and they attached this fascist component on top.
absolutely insane.
even more insane is the title
good thing for Pelosi though:
now she can get the bailout passed
and get her Xanax paid for by us.
bump
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They may have done us a favor.
Had the Senate attached this bailout to a simple bill without pork, it may have passed with all the scare tactics they are feeding people. But with all this garbage attached to it the house will be under more pressure, or should be under more pressure not to pass it. We have to use this to our advantage.
What if the government was unable to sell more Treasury bills? Wouldn't they be forced to mint money?
Seems to me that if we want to take power away from the elite who benefit from the Federal government, then people need to stop holding and investing in T-bills and put wealth in their own bank. An investment in T-bills empowers the elitists controlling the Federal government. Remember T-bills are just paper, just like FRNs. Withdrawling our investment is their biggest fear. Holding onto T-bills locks up dollars as they say. I suggest investing in something other than T-bills such as your local economy, food, supplies, silver and gold. These items stimulate our economy and the individual is empowered. But, what the hell do I know?
grant
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Well looks like we have our work cut out for us.
74 votes, looks like we got the devil in the works. 74 X 9 = 666
What if the government was unable to sell more Treasury bills? Wouldn't they be forced to mint money?
Seems to me that if we want to take power away from the elite who benefit from the Federal government, then people need to stop holding and investing in T-bills and put wealth in their own bank. An investment in T-bills empowers the elitists controlling the Federal government. Remember T-bills are just paper, just like FRNs. Withdrawling our investment is their biggest fear. Holding onto T-bills locks up dollars as they say. I suggest investing in something other than T-bills such as your local economy, food, supplies, silver and gold. These items stimulate our economy and the individual is empowered. But, what the hell do I know?
grant
Feingold (WI) !
Sometimes the guy (one of my states' Senators) is *really* irritating, then he goes and does something GOOD again like this -- voting NO! against this piece of excrement. (For those who don't remember, he voted ALONE against the PATRIOT Act).
By the way, the little section "requiring insurers to treat mental health conditions more like general health problems." will probably be MORE expensive in the long run than the rest of the bill combined (just like Medicare Part D will end up costing more than the rest of the gov't socialist health prog.)
Exactly!
I thought the same thing! I still want him on the vote out list though.
I actually DO admire the guy.
I disagree with his ideas and often his votes, but he IS an honest man (and that is so rare as to be VERY praiseworthy).
Plus, he has BALLS made of brass, and a SPINE made of steel, and is not and probably never will be anyone's little whipping boy (they don't seem to be able to buy him, or to undermine him -- I think he even manages to keep his pants on, which is an amazing sign of character in D.C.)
If we had just a couple of dozen more like him in the Senate & Congress, with even a single dozen or so like Ron Paul in Congress, then the RP's would be able to educate the RF's, and we could ACTUALLY have a Republic again.
When I contrast that to my RINO Congressman, Paul Ryan -- who voted for the Bailout Bill -- even though he claims it is both unpopular AND against his principles... I mean what is there to do with THAT... I can understand voting for something you disagree with because you believe your constituents WANT it, and I can understand voting your principles versus the mob's wishes... but to vote against BOTH? Means someone is pulling his strings... and
Oh, Lookie here:
http://www.opensecrets.or...
And here:
http://www.opensecrets.or...
And suddenly, the reason Paul "RINO" Ryan is voting FOR the Bailout Bill becomes rather obvious, doesn't it!
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Well John Sununu just lost
Well John Sununu just lost my vote.
I bet he lost a lot of votes.
You may see a new democrat in the senate from NH next January because John Sununu voted for this bill.
I'm going Libertarian on that election, the deciding factor of the election up here I'm sure.
Man, I register Republican to help save the party and what happens? All the republicans on the ticket are embarassing.
Rich in NH
Well John Sununu just lost
Well John Sununu just lost my vote.
I bet he lost a lot of votes.
You may see a new democrat in the senate from NH next January because John Sununu voted for this bill.
I'm going Libertarian on that election, the deciding factor of the election up here I'm sure.
Man, I register Republican to help save the party and what happens? All the republicans on the ticket are embarassing.
Rich in NH
Just a quick question. Does
Just a quick question. Does anybody know if this bill constitutes revenue? I assume it does since it's dealing with money. If so, then the bill itself is against the law since all bills of revenue need to originate in the House. Anyone know better?
It did originate in the house
the senate ammended it and sent it back. remember it's the same words different bill.
But
the House has to pass it before it goes to the Senate
Right, exactly. And I don't
Right, exactly. And I don't even think it is possible the bill could formally be the same because of that very fact.
Here's what happened...the house passed the mental services
bill, it went to the senate. They ammended that bill with basically the same text as the bill the conress voted on on monday. Now the bill goes back to the house for up or down approval as ammended by the senate. It's a normal routine.
tonights bill was a mental health appropriations bill. The one the other day in the house was to help volunteer firefighters.
Okay, looking into more
Okay, looking into more myself I see what you're saying. So technically speaking this bill is the same bill but formally speaking it is not the same. Either way, knowing these two facts about these two bills only adds another level of absolute absurdity to the whole thing. Why are two bills, one about health and another about firefighters being tossed around in this. That is just hilarious.
Time is precious, and, we have a choice!
If we contacted our Ron Paul campaign leaders in each state,
and all those we are inter-connected with throughout our precincts, conventions etc. and direct them to help plan this here on the Daily Paul Forum, we might have a pretty good chance of creating a citizens revolt with the idea of making our voices heard. I have no experience with this but for what its worth we may demand the following, while certainly allowing for other suggestions:
1) Overwhelming vote of no confidence in our leaders
2) We the people demand 'sound' money, not inflated fiat money
3) We demand our leaders uphold and obey our Constitution or they should be forcibly removed from office!
4) We will not take out 'infinite' loans in our great grandchildrens' names for the sake of criminal extortionists in our government!
5) We overwhelmingly nominate Dr. Ron Paul and all those elected leaders who support and understand Austrian Economics be immediately appointed to positions of Secretary of the Treasury as his advisers
People, we have to reach all those who have legal expertise on this so we can truly pull this off and learn a thing or two or three in the process!
This is what I sent out to my connections:
Let's put our heads together people and create a plan. Somebody on Daily Paul suggested the following if the Bailout passes the House on Friday. Go here:
http://www.dailypaul.com/...
We need people who have some good knowledge of our bicameral system procedures for a citizens revolt! The ball is going to be in ALL our courts, 3.3million citizens across this country, less all those who wanted this mayhem.
If you have suggestions, guidance, ideas please bring this to the Daily Paul. Sign on as a member of the forum. We need a central place to plan.
Perhaps, those campaign leaders for Ron Paul in each State (they have the email addresses of all of us) can help with the dissemination of the best plan.
It's all up to us now. I say we need to maintain our moral, legal ground here and not lose our cool.
(Damn, I wish I studied law instead of Art! LOL)
Damn, the 'new comments' or reply
does not let me share a Daily Paul link to you. Oh this is frustrating. Here I will try again:
http://www.dailypaul.com/...
Nope, it does not work. Keeps going to home page
Oh well, I tried.
The link is there...
It just looks "wrong". The forum software displays an abbreviated version of the URL that links to the long version. Try clicking on it.
McCain Promised
In his acceptance speech he promised to veto pork but he just voted for more. Here is the quote from his acceptance speech.
MCCAIN: I've fought the big spenders...
(APPLAUSE)
I've fought the big spenders in both parties, who waste your money on
things you neither need nor want, and the first big-spending
pork-barrel earmark bill that comes across my desk, I will veto it. I
will make them famous, and you will know their names. You will know
their names.
I would love to see the
I would love to see the presidential contenders facing empty seats at every meeting, every speech to an empty room..the 'debates' ignored. They'd get the message, do you think?
referance?
Do you have referance for this, We need to share this with McCain supporters
McCain promised to Veto Pork
I agree, McCain promised to Veto Pork projects. Then he votes for a whole lot of it in this bill. How can we trust him to veto pork projects, if he can't even keep his promise through the election.
Shirt/Sign Idea: "John
Shirt/Sign Idea:
"John McPork" showing McCain's smug grin and him wearing lipstick.
A morphed face of a pig and John McCain with lipstick on
In Christ,
Dave
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It wasn't promise. He's an
It wasn't a promise. He's an insulting asshole who doesn't care about anybody except himself and those who can help him gain power. He will say whatever he needs to.
UPSIDE DOWN!
The flag should never be dipped to any person or thing. It is flown upside down only as a distress signal.
http://www.usa-flag-site....
Be cautious about who you heap HERO
status upon. For many votes like this, where the serfs are paying attention and sentiment of the serfs is strongly opposed the "handlers" allow those in re-election trouble to vote NAY when they do not need their votes anyway. They almost always know before any voting if it will be close or not, so when they are assured of certain passage it is no sweat to let some of our Lords and Ladies in the Senate fake a Nay with which to make re-election hay with the mouth breathers back home. I have no doubt that is the case with Dole on this vote. Had they needed her vote too bad for her close election this cycle. In fact, everyone should check the Nay list against who is up for re-election this cycle.
You're right.
I'm changing it to 'hero for the day.'
Thanks.
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