HOW THE N.W.O RE-WROTE THE HOLY BIBLE
Posted October 4th, 2008 by ruckmanite
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“Our hearts are moved when statesmen or students speak with glowing hope of the coming union of nations…”. -Westcott translator of new bible versions.
For those that follow the attached links you will see many familiar names such as the rosthschilds, skull and bones, rhodes scholars and society for physical research organizing to subvert Gods word through the writing of "new translations" . They realized that the foundation of the western world was Christianity whose foundation was the A.V. KING JAMES BIBLE. And of course that meant they had to destoy Christianity to accomplish their goal. Not surprising really given the satanic, dehumainzing nature of the n.w.o. This is important info for everyone since Machavelli said
"There is nothing...more dangerous to handle, than to initiate a new order of things".
It will seem like you are unraveling the history of feminist movement (see savethemales.com) ,the counter culture movement, the enviromental movement, etc etc. These are the same criminals commiting a different crime.
If you have noticed society taking on different morals than their parents and have connected the dots followed the money then you probably realize that you have been a victim of one of these revolutions and are here because you are de-programming yourself, or someone else. Open your mind one last time, take the pill one last time and you will see that the reason Americans are moving away from Christianity and the Bible is because the n.w.o. is controlling their minds. If you have turned your back on your American Christian heritage you are playing into the n.w.o's hands. http://watch.pair.com/ano...
THE HISTORY OF ENGLISH BIBLE REVISION
THE "UNAUTHORIZED VERSION"
The Gospel According to Rothschild
By Barbara Aho http://watch.pair.com/rev...
The maker of that site does not agree with Gail Riplinger on everthing she says but she has some good videos on youtube and google video. may find them under "new age Bible versions".
http://www.mogulus.com/st...
Dr Peter S. ruckman
How the n.w.o. did it in brief.
Thier are two lines of greek manuscripts which are used in translating the Bible. One as I remember is the Alexandrian Text written by an occultist named origin. It makes up something like 1% of the Greek texts found . It was used almost exclusively by occultists. It subtely turns Lucifer into Jesus etc etc. The Vatican uses this line of texts for its "bible" as do the Jehovahs witnesses in their 'NEW WORLD Translation'. The new easy to read N.I.V. N.A.S.V. etc Bibles also come from that line of text .The conspiritors on the numerous fronts picked that line to sidetrack Christianity. One of the most influential among them was Westcott. Westcott went on to become the Bishop of Durham (England) and served for a while as chaplain to Queen Victoria. Hort is best remembered as a Professor of Divinity at Cambridge University. While their he became a member of the 'Cambridge Apostles' along with Victor rothschild.
. Our seminaries and colleges were taken over by the n.w.o. about a hundred years ago in much the same way our public schools were (Free Money) and today teach almost exclusively that the King James Version (which is Gods word) is less reliable than the new versions. You will find the information troubling no matter what your religious background happens to be.
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The ‘New international version’ Bible perversion changes the words in Hebrews 9:10 from “ until the time of reformation” to: “until the time of the new order.”- NIV.."The “NIV follows the critical Westcott and horts text.” In the preceding verse the ‘spirit’ of Westcott’s “glowing hope of the coming union of nations” and his call for “the new order” haunts the NIV. WESTCOTT WRITES OF HIS HOPES FOR A ‘NEW ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT’, “Our hearts are (deceitful above all things?no) moved when statesmen or students speak with glowing hope of the coming union of nations…”. Let him speak for himself .” I beg thee have me excused. One of Horts ‘Apostles’ was Arthur Balfour He was also a member of Westcotts ‘Uranus’ society a president of the society for physical research (SPR )a Rhodes scholar,the founder of the League of Nations and the prime minister of England. The prime minister before him, Gladstone , was also a member. New Ager Benjamin crème predicts, “…democracy will disappear.” Historian gary alan writes “The dialectical dream, with its thesis, antithesis, and synthesis seems to be taking form today with the breakdown of pure communism and pure democracy into a common world socialism. Westcott’s dreams, set forth in his book, ‘Christian socialism: What and Why’ are coming true.”-‘Say no to the new world order’. Charles Darwin and Maria Montessori were also visitors to the Society for physical research. Obviously This throws new light on Darwin. Apparently the success of evolution has a lot to do with Darwins “friends” or probably better called conspirators. The great american Revivalist, Spurgeon writes he told Darwin of The error of his ways for going to the SPR. Darwin came from one of the most elite and wealthiest families in Europe.
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Jesus fulfilled 300
Jesus fulfilled 300 prophesies.
The following probabilities are taken from Peter Stoner in Science Speaks (Moody Press, 1963) to show that coincidence is ruled out by the science of probabilityStoner considers 48 prophecies and says, "we find the chance that any one man fulfilled all 48 prophecies to be 1 in 10157, or 1 in
100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.
The estimated number of electrons in the universe is around 1079. It should be quite evident that Jesus did not fulfil the prophecies by accident."
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This information was taken from the book Evidence that Demands a Verdict by Josh McDowell.
the rest is from http://bibleprobe.com/300... 1:26 (4000 B.C.): "And God said, Let us make man in our image.."
Proverbs 30:4 (700 B.C.): "Who hath ascended up into heaven or descended? Who hath gathered the wind in His fists? Who hath bound the waters in a garment? Who hath established all the ends of the Earth? WHAT IS HIS NAME, AND WHAT IS HIS SONS' NAME, if thou canst tell?"
It was the Savior's incarnate entrance into the human family which laid the foundation for the entire redemptive process. According to the Scriptures, He had to be born of a virgin in Bethlehem, live a sinless life, ride into Jerusalem on a foal of a donkey precisely on April 6, 32 A.D., exactly 173,880 days after the command to rebuild Jerusalem by the Babylonian king Artaxerxes.
Daniel also says below that two startling historical things would follow Messiah's appearance. First, Messiah would be cut off. Second, the city of Jerusalem and the temple would be destroyed shortly thereafter.
Daniel 9:26
And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Here Daniel talks of the Messiah being killed. He also says the same thing that Jesus said - that Jerusalem would be shortly destroyed. It happened in 70 A.D. and Josephus and others spoke of the "flood" of Jewish blood in the streets of Jerusalem...
What about the 70th Week Daniel Spoke of? Many Evangelicals and other Christians and Christian book writers are also deluded to think the 70th week of Daniel went on hold for 2000 years. When it fact it happened just like clockwork and ended when Stephen was stoned by the Jews at the end of the 70th week (3.5 yrs after Christ's crucifixion). Immediately the 70th week ended, and the Gospel then went to the Gentiles. You will recall also, that Paul was "recruited" at the end of this 7 years to minister to the Gentiles. His name was changed from the Jewish Saul to the Gentile Paul (Romans 11:13) which signified the new focus. Also, at this time God gave Peter a vision indicating it was now time to preach to the Gentiles (Acts 10:1-28)
This prophesy refers to weeks of years, or 483 biblical years. Beginning with the exact day on which Persian King Artaxerxes gave the decree to rebuild the walls of Jerusalem (March 14, 445), exactly 173,880 days later--Palm Sunday, April 6, 32 A.D. --Christ rode into Jerusalem the week before he was 'cut off' (crucified). This is the precise number of days spanning 483 biblical years, which were then measured as 12 months of 30 days each.
Judas gives up Jesus to Temple authorities after
eating bread with Jesus
Psalm 41:9 written: 1023 BC (Before Christ)
"Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up his heel
against me."
Judas gives up Jesus to Temple authorities for 30
pieces of silver...
Zechariah 11:12 written: 487 BC (Before Christ)
"And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for
my price thirty pieces of silver."
Matthew 26:15 "And asked, 'What are you willing to give me if I hand him over to you?' So they counted out for him thirty pieces of silver."
Judas gives up Jesus to Temple authorities for 30
pieces of silver....
Zechariah 11:13 written: 487 BC (Before Christ)
"And the Lord said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prized at of
them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the
Lord."
Matthew 27:6-7 "The chief priests picked up the coins and said, 'It is against the law to put this into the treasury, since it is blood money.' So they decided to use the money to buy the potter's field as a burial place for foreigners."
The Jewish Messiah also had to suffer and lay down His life for our sins. This is clearly shown in Isaiah 53. He did this for both Jews and Gentiles.
There were over 360 prophecies foretold about the coming Jewish Messiah - hundreds of years before Jesus was born in Bethlehem. Jesus fulfilled all 365 of these prophecies. Of these 360+ prophecies, there are 109 that only Jesus (Yeshua) could have fulfilled. See complete list of 365 Messianic Prophecies here
Read Torah, Isaiah 53 3-6: "He is despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him; He was despised, and we did not esteem Him. Surely He has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed Him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted. But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement for our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned, every one to his own way; and the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all." Written: 712 BC (Before Christ) The jews expected a conquering messiah but somehow they overlooked ' the Lord has laid on him the Iniquiy of us all' which is not very flattering stuff.
In the "Suffering Servant" passage of Isaiah 53:5 written: 712 B.C.) where we read:
"He was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed"
Why stripes because without the shedding of blood thier is no remission of sins. He is the messiah this happend to save our souls. much more important than liberating us from the roman impire.
Zechariah 13:6 written: 487 BC (Before Christ)
"And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends."
Psalm (2,7): "The Lord said to me, ‘You are my son; this day I have begotten you’"
Jeremiah 23:5-6 - "Behold, the days are coming," says the LORD, "That I will raise to David a Branch of righteousness; a King shall reign and prosper, and execute judgment and righteousness in the earth. In His days Judah will be saved, and Israel will dwell safely; now this is His name by which He will be called: THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
New Covenant:
Jeremiah 31:31-33 "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah-- "not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the LORD. "But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
Isaiah 9:6 written: 712 BC (Before Christ) - For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
the virgin birth, and his name...
Isaiah 7:14 written: 758 BC (Before Christ)
Isaiah 7:14 "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel. Word "Immanuel" means: God with us. In the Old Testament it occurs only in Isaiah. 7:14 and 8:8.
his place of birth...
Micah 5:2 written: 710 BC (Before Christ)
"But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out
of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have
been from of old, from everlasting."
Luke 2:4-6 Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David, to be registered with Mary, his betrothed wife, who was with child. So it was, that while they were there, the days were completed for her to be delivered.
Hoseah 11:1 "When Israel was a child, I loved him,
and out of Egypt I called my son."
Matthew 2:14 "So he got up, took the child and his mother during the night and left for Egypt."
Genesis 49:10 written: 1689 BC (Before Christ)
"The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be."
the scepter meant the jews right to execute criminals. The jews lost that right soon after jesus died . If jesus was not the messiah the messiah aint coming its to late the scepter is departed.
Luke 1:34-35 Then Mary said to the angel, "How can this be, since I do not know a man?" And the angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.
Isaiah 9: 6-7: written: 712 BC (Before Christ)
"For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of
the increase of His government and peace There will be no end, Upon the throne of David and over His
kingdom, To order it and establish it with judgment and justice. From that time forward, even forever"
Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
This edict to rebuild Jerusalem was issued in 444 BC by Artaxerxes Longimanus of Persia. Exactly 173,880 days later Jesus rode into Jerusalem on a donkey. This was the first time Jesus allowed Himself to be publicly proclaimed as the Messiah and King.
Daniel 9:25:
Know, therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
being crucified....
Psalm 22:16 written: 1018 BC (Before Christ)
"For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have enclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet."
John 20:27 "Then he said to Thomas, 'Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.'
Isaiah 53:12: Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
Luke 23:34: Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
Messiah will be Rejected in Israel:
Isaiah 8:14 written: 742 BC (Before Christ)
"And he shall be a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both
the houses of Israel, for a gin and a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem."
Isaiah 53:3 written: 712 BC (Before Christ)
"He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
Psalm 22: 14-19, written 1000 BC - I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels. 15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death. 16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. 17 I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me. 18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture. 19 But be not thou far from me, O LORD: O my strength, haste thee to help me.
Psalm 118:22-23 - The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner. This is the LORD'S doing; it is marvellous in our eyes.
Isaiah 28:16 - Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: "Behold, I lay in Zion a stone for a
foundation, a tried stone, a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation; whoever believes will not act hastily.
John 1:11 "He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him."
none of his bones were broken...
Psalm 34:20 written: 1042 BC (Before Christ)
"He keepeth all his bones: not one of them is broken."
John 19:33 "But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs."
the gambling for his garments...
Psalm 22:18 written: 1018 BC (Before Christ)
"They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture."
Mark 15:24 "And they crucified him. Dividing up his clothes, they cast lots to see what each would get."
being forsaken by God...
Psalm 22:1 "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and the words of my roaring?" "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani"
Mathew 27:46 - And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
1 Peter 3: 18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
the yielding of his spirit into the hands of his
Father...
Psalm 31:5 written: 1042 BC (Before Christ)
"Into thine hand I commit my spirit: thou hast redeemed me, O Lord God of truth."
Luke 23:46 - And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
being included with sinners....and prayer for
his enemies...
Isaiah 53:12 written: 712 BC (Before Christ)
"Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the
strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the
transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors."
Matthew 27:38 "Two robbers were crucified with him, one on his right and one on his left."
Darkness reported at Christ's Crucifixion
Amos 8:9 written: 787 BC (Before Christ)
"And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord of God, that I will cause the sun to go
down at noon, and I will darken the earth in the clear day:"
Matthew 27:50-54
50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. 51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom, and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; 52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared to many. 54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.
Luke 23:45-46 And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst. 46 And when Jesus had cried out with a loud voice, he said, Fathey into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
Coincidence? A pagan historian by the name of Thallus, who lived shortly after the resurrection of Christ (about A.D. 52)
wrote concerning a miraculous darkness that covered the earth at the Passover of A.D. 32 and attempted to explain it
as an eclipse of the sun. There was no eclipse of the sun that year.
being proven guiltless...buried in a rich man's
tomb...
Isaiah 53:9 written: 712 BC (Before Christ)
"And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth."
Matthew 27:57-60 "As evening approached, there came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph, who had himself become a disciple of Jesus. Going to Pilate, he asked for Jesus' body, and Pilate ordered that it be given to him. Joseph took the body, wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, and placed it in his own new tomb that he had cut out of the rock. He rolled a big stone in front of the entrance to the tomb and went away."
Isaiah 9:2 written: 740 BC (Before Christ)
"The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined."
Psalm 18.5:
The grave wrapped its ropes around me; death itself stared me in the face.
Psalm 139.8:
If I go up to heaven, you are there; if I go down to the place of the dead, you are there.
The resurrection of Jesus/Yeshua
Psalm 16:10 written: 1018 BC (Before Christ)
"For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption."
Matthew 28:9 "Suddenly Jesus met them. 'Greetings,' he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him."
Thos. Jefferson did it too.
Thomas Jefferson completely rewrote the New Testament, leaving out all the miracles and supernatural stuff. It's called The Jefferson Bible, or the Gospel According to Jefferson. http://tinyurl.com/4dskv5
So someone wrote another version. Big deal. Stay focused on what matters.
Three questions for those who have done serious research
I rarely participate here, but lurk almost every day. Love this website! This particular discussion strung some sore cords in me. I am a tortured Christian, who have been baptized twice and accepted Lord's prayer numerous times. However, I have never achived enlightening and always doubted the fact of Jesus. I do however wholeheartedly belive in GOD.
Following 10 commandments: (posted for reference)
2 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery;
3 Do not have any other gods before me.
4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me,
Would not praying, bowing down to or worshiping Jesus violate the above?
And, something I read on Noahide websites that I cannot disprove (prophesies not fulfilled)
1. Jesus did not build the third temple
2. Jews were not returned back home from four corners of the world
3. The lion did not lay next to the lamb chewing on straw.
According to the Old Testament, these prophesies should have been fulfilled in Jesus's lifetime if he were a prophet.
However, they were not fulfilled, hence the need for a second coming. Second coming is not mentioned in Old Testament.
I would love to accept Jesus and be comfortable and not bothered day and night wondering. But, I can not, by faith alone. I need facts.
Worshipping Jesus is fine
Worshipping Jesus is fine the apostles did it and Jesus is God. You can find priests worshipping either david or Saul in the Old Testament. Dont ask me if thats sin it would appear to be but I dont know everything about the Bible so. apparently the priests were not rubuked.
historically we have records of jesus from several historians of the time. The fact that The birth of Christianity centered around Jesus argues strongly for his existence as well. Christianity spread incredibly fast. In the definitive work on the roman empire 'the rise and fall of rome' christianity was credited as the number one reason for the fall of rome. How likely could all this be if he did not exist.
As far as accepting the lords prayer i may be confused. If it is the sinners prayer your referring to the prayer itseld does not save you. Repenting , that is putting Jesus first saves you. But if you dont believe in Jesus you are wasting your time. I hope you look into these matters as if your soul depends on it because it does.
You are right the 'second coming' is not mentioned ins scripture. But Jesus said 'I will come again'.
true some prophesies were not fulfilled but then again Jesus is alive he will bring in the kingdom on his time clock not ours. I will try to get better information especially old testament prophesies that jesus fulfilled. one that comes to mind is the old testament said when he would come and that happend in the time of his ministry.
Here are some facts.....
Jesus had something to say about those who do not believe the testimony of Moses. In John 5 we read,
46 For if you had believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote of Me. 47 But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?
It is not possible to believe the words of Jesus if one does not also believe the writings of Moses. Everything that Moses wrote was prophetic of Jesus Christ. Even the law itself portrayed the character of Jesus Christ, for He was the Lawgiver. Ex. 15:2 says, literally,
2 Yahweh is my strength and my song, and He has become my Yashua; This is my God; and I will praise Him; My father's God, and I will extol Him.
Yahweh has become my Yashua! This is a prophecy of the incarnation of Christ, where the God of the Old Testament became a Man in the New Testament. This is repeated in Is. 12:2, 3,
2 Behold God is my Yashua, I will trust and not be afraid. For Yah Yahweh is my strength and song, and He has become my Yashua. 3 Therefore you will joyously draw water from the springs of Yashua.
Once again we see the prophet Isaiah quoting Moses, saying that Yahweh-Yashua “is my strength and song.” Jesus Himself referred to this passage in John 7:37, 38, which says,
37 Now on the last day, the great day of the feast [of Tabernacles], Jesus stood and cried out, saying, If any man is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink. 38 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, From his innermost being shall flow rivers of living water.
In other words, if any man is thirsty, they should “draw water from the springs of Yashua.” This is a clear statement showing that even in the Old Testament, Jesus' Hebrew name, Yashua, was hidden in the text in the word “salvation.”
Our conclusion from this is that Jesus is the God of the Old Testament as well as the New. Jesus is the incarnation of Yahweh, who was known earlier as El Shaddai. Jesus was the Word made flesh, the Logos that created all things, according to John 1:1-14,
1 In the beginning was the Logos, and the Logos was with God, and the Logos was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being by Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being... 14 And the Logos became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, ful l of grace and truth.
Jesus was the Creator, and He was the Lawgiver. He was the God of the Old Testament as well as the New.
also god said unto my god.
also god said unto my god.
Yes the OT
Does have prophecies about the 2nd coming.
See here:
http://unityinchrist.com/...
Part I is a general survey of Old Testament 2nd coming prophecies.
I'm going to mark this to come back to when I have more time
That is, if someone else doesn't jump in and help you out. But be ready now, because Faith is what you are required to have, and if you can't or won't let yourself have faith, then you won't find what you seek.
KJV Only
It is true, the KJV is the only true Word of God. When Wescott and Hort came out with their perverted RSV around 1877 and the mainline Churches started using it, this country started falling.
Please see:
http://www.usekjvonly.com
Really?
So where does your information come from that says the KJV and only the KJV is the Word of God? Surely from more than just a website you uncovered..right?
BTW..that website is ridiculous..or at least whoever is "interpreting" God's word is ridiculous. If you judge the KJV on the same platform as you judge all other Bibles, then the KJV fails miserably.
So anyway, according to the sight, if you don't use the KJV your destined for hell. Sorry, but even the KJV tells you what is required by God, and Jesus didn't mention the KJV that I know of.
How about some thoughts of your own on this one rather than just a copy/paste of a website.....
I agree with you ....KJV has alot of error
and unfortunately due to the faulty translation of the KJV it has spread to other translations that have used the KJV as a foundation.
There are so many other translations that are more accurate....including Robert Young's Literal Translation, Wuest, Phillips, ect...
As a beleiver IN CHRIST I use many sources to study the scriptures...I love the Amplified Bible too.
I still read the KJV but I am very aware of certain areas of mistranslation....for example in the Old Testament alone there are 31 times that the KJV mistranslates the word SHEOL to mean Hell....the Hebrew word Sheol means 'grave, death'....and does not mean Hell....in fact NO WHERE in the Old Testament is Hell even mentioned....and the other area where the KJV gets it wrong is on the translation of EVERLASTING....when the truth is that the word in the GREEK is 'AION' which means "unto the AGE'.....
Really
Jesus rose from the dead. I believe it. I can't prove it. Nor will I try. Same with the KJV. You need spiritual discernment. This won't come from me, but only from God. Your response is in error. You need to read the KJV cover to cover, do what It says, and pray for the truth. The website is correct. Most people will disagree, but none the less, the KJV is perfect. If you disagree, not much more I can do. We'll find out on judgement day.
Religion is a lie.
Religion is a lie.
Sad that you feel that way..
besides..I don't know that I am a part of any "religion" as you must see it. But I do notice that Jerks come in pairs, and they love to support each other in their negative attacks towards those that don't believe the way they do.
Please enlighten us all, and let us know why "Religion" is a lie, and what exactly is religion in your eyes? If you can't add some substance to your argument, then why come to discussions like this and speak?
Check that
A "lie" is an untrue statement that is known to be untrue by the speaker. Religion is surely founded on fiction, but if that fiction is believed by its proponents, then they aren't "lying", they're just wrong. In terms of culpability, there is a huge difference.
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The first miracle
Jesus stayed with his loving mother and father until the wedding at Cana. Jesus said "it is not my time" Mary ignored him and told the servers to do as Jesus tells you to do. Not only does he love and obey his mother like we should, he did not want to leave her and start his public life of miracles and preaching. He did not go off and start yogi.
Yes mary did tell them to
Yes mary did tell them to follow Jesus BUT WE SHOULD NOT FOLLOW MARY. That needed to be emphasised. Mary did not command us to do anything besides that. so follow Jesus not mary. The fact she is rarely mentioned in scripture underscores her non-importance. No where in the Bible are we told to follow Mary. Mary is absolutely unimportant in regards to salvation. You see, Jesus had to come because their was nothing we could do to save ourselves. church attendance , good works, sacraments etc. He paid the price the whole price. As he said on the cross "it is finished". The blood price has been paid. the issue was always about blood. So we need to rely on Jesus 100% for our salvation make him our Lord (our boss. put him first). And then when you have done that "it is finished" his blood has been applied to you so to speak.
As far as his resurection it was seen by over 500 eyewitnesses. You bring in 500 witnesses to any court in this world and what they say is considered fact. Under the law of jurisprudence if their testimony can not be refuted within the lifetime of the eyewitness the matter is considered settled.
I am not really understanding where your coming from with your statement . sometimes it seems like you are/were catholic or Jewish. I will try to do some better research for you. I am glad that someone here does not feel like they have all the answers and is searching. I consider myself a student I find it much more rewarding. keeps life fresh.
One speculation that I had
One speculation that I had heard was that Joseph died when Jesus was in his teens. As the eldest son, it was his responsibility to see to the needs of his mother and his family until someone else could assume that responsibility which is why his ministry did not begin until he was 30. It makes sense.
I am really curious where the others are getting the "Jesus went east" idea from. I do not see this in scripture where it clearly states he was taken to Egypt and then returned to Nazareth in his early childhood. From that point, he lived in Galilee until the beginning of his ministry. The only excursion (besides the yearly trip to Jerusalem) I can find is his forty day journey into the wilderness.
And what an important forty days it was
How many of you have lived in the desert for forty days? Alone? Give it a try. It will change everything.
How many people even fast any more?
That is where you can learn some true understanding. When you are hungry you will be filled. And I'm talking about real fasting, not the kind the Bible tells you to stay away from..such as fasting just so you can tell people you did, or trying to look gaunt..you should go on about your life, and appear just as you always would. Fasting is a commitment and a time to open up to God, not a badge to where to church.
Day of fasting
We are in the Scriptural 7th month right now and the tenth day of this month starts tomorrow at sunset. You can fast whenever you want too, but the tenth day of the 7th month is a commanded Sabbath of fasting and is known as the Day of Atonement. It is the fifth high day Sabbath of the year.
F.Y.I.
"The day is coming, burning like an oven, when all the wicked will be stubble"
Funny
The N.W.O. is going to subvert christianity. What a laugh. Christianity has already been subverted. I looked at some of the comments below and I see that the christianity arguments on this site are still being waged by ignorant "Christians" and even more ignorant Humanists. It's time for those of you with eyes, to see and those with ears, to hear. Yahshua didn't teach Yoga and He didn't contradict any teaching of the Old Testament. Main stream christianity is a false religion just as Hinduism or Buddaism is. The King James version is full of mistakes and includes one of the worst lies to be told. Read, if you will, Acts 7:45 and Hebrews 4:8 in the original King James bible. And remember this, "there is ONE Name given whereby men must be saved". Or read Acts 12:4 where the translators introduced the pagan festival of Easter and made it seem as though the early diciples followed such an abomination. There are so many false teachings that are exaserbated by the mistranslations of the King James Bible that to call it "Gods Word" is like calling the U.S.A a Godly nation. This nation prospers because Satan rules this world not because "God" is smiling down on us.
Democracy, Socialism or Communism, it doesn't matter. A kingdom is what I wait for and all other governments will fall when it arrives. So let the N.W.O. come, it only brings the glorious end that much closer.
"The day is coming, burning like an oven, when all the wicked will be stubble"
You mentioned
"a kingdom is what I wait for" Yes. Kingdom, as in "King's Domain".
Easter should have been translated "passover", Christ is our passover lamb and we should be celebrating Passover, not Estar(sp?), Estar is a pagan fertility god. That is why we have "quick like a bunny" as in breed like rabbits, and eggs as in "fertility" ..and to top it off most people eat ham on Easter.
Christ died as our sacrifice and we are celebrating sex and fertility with a bunch of fertility gods? Shameful.
Eating Pork a "scavenger" food? God said it was not to be consumed by man. All scavengers are for cleaning the planet (God's vaccuum cleaners)
Pigs, catfish, shell fish, vultures, etc.
I see the romans honoring
I see the romans honoring easter in acts 12:4.
I have the KJV 1611
Companion Bible...it shows most of the errors in the side notes. Not commentary, just facts. E.W Bullinger was a very talented man.
You might find a book called
You might find a book called 'errors' in the king james bible by dr peter s ruckman. I see these 'errors' that have been refuted over and over again . you may find that book cheap on amazon.
ok
I'll check it out.
So you read the verses?
Then answer these.
Why did the translators feel the need to translate the name Yahshua to Jesus in these two verses?
Why is it that every name in the bible is transliterated, including Satans, except the Name of the Father and the Son which have been falsified or hidden?
"The day is coming, burning like an oven, when all the wicked will be stubble"
C'mon people
Study some church and biblical history rather than trying to highlight obscure differences between related texts from today's English translations, all the while using the AD 1611 (NOT 1st century!) KJV as the standard of God's word!
I am a former minister, have a ministerial degree, and studied biblical languages, and I can tell you that this nitpicking is not only silly but is incredibly divisive. Anytime we focus on these minutae we lose focus on the big picture - living as Jesus lived in the world. The problem is that it's just so much easier to pontificate upon obscurity than to live by the example of Jesus. As an example, consider how few people you know who truly exemplify Jesus' teachings daily, being TRUE disciples, versus how many are content to make conjecture on such nebulous things as "the real meaning" of Revelation. Just like it's easier to sit on this site and complain rather than to educate ourselves and work toward a better future for our nation and our world.
a waste of time and
a waste of time and divisive? sunday football games separate the church much more than this subject. I understand living the Christian life is important. But so is teaching and preaching the Gospel. That is rather hard to do when 'his hellishness' (aka the pope) rothschild balfour westcott and hort have finanaced a continuing revolution to obscure what the Gospel is. The new 'bibles' take out the resurection virgin birth etc etc etc etc. Put it this way some of them take out so many verses in the old and new testaments it is equal to the length of the entire new testament!
Now God has "magnified" his "Word above his own name". We need to find out where his Word is. His Word will do more to transform this world than christians living a Christlike life. How can I teach the Gospel if I dont know where to find it? or preach the Gospel? Can I preach it from the original manuscripts? No? O.k. then his word must be with us today. Where?Where?Where?Where?Where?Where?
Well said. If there has
Well said. If there has been a failing among us modern day Christians, it is that we have, in fact, failed to be Christians, ie. "little Christs".
To the above minister comments.
Maybe if we were taught how to study the Bible in-depth, the knowledge would lead to better discipleship. With all of their so-called "man-made" theology degrees, I am certainly unimpressed by the lack of knowledge and "pastoring" going on in the "church". All I hear in most church's is preacher's taking one verse and telling irrelevant stories for a half hour. College football days, Mommy, Daddy, kids. a poem, a movie, a book, a pet, anything but God's word in depth.
Preacher's aren't teaching us to go out and be disciples. There is the threat that we may start our own little neighborhood church. Just like the government, they want us to "depend" on them and to keep putting money in the collection plate. Indirectly telling us we aren't good enough, or smart enough to be disciples for Christ on our own. Knowledge is a dangerous thing. We are not allowed to "grow -up in the church, they keep us on "milk" instead of meat for a reason. Many preacher's lust after the BIG congregation, BIG church buildings, BIG budgets, all a BIG "monument" to themselves, the PRIDE of the pastor. The Pride before the fall. They do not resemble the humble, "faith filled" 12 disciples I read about in the new Testament.
Revelation means "reveal". Yes, we should know what Revelation is all about...it is written for this generation. If we are ignorant we will follow the false Messiah to the depths of hell.
I'd like to bring attention to this one
The Dead Sea Scrolls confirm that Genesis 4:1 was tampered with. Cain was actually the offspring of Eve and Satan:
http://www.thewatcherfile...
Hence, the origins of our psychopathic elite, which appear to be human, but are lacking that which makes someone human - a soul; a conscience.
This coincides with what was written in the purposely-buried Book of Enoch
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Instead of the truth about
Eve + Satan=Cain. We get a lie about Adam and Eve eating an "apple" in the garden of Eden.
So, if they are in an apple orchard and sinned by "eating" they should have covered their mouths with apple leafs.
But instead they cover their private parts with fig leaves.
Looks like sex in the fig gove to me.
since the dead sea scrolls
since the dead sea scrolls are in the clutches of the catholic church what they tell us about their contents has to be taken with a big grain of salt.
TY ARMOROFCHRIST.....
for posting the "seedline" link. Alot of things make sence to me now.
I just read Escape from Sobibor and this additional info is helpful. I am about to embark on a quest for info on the Bolshevic Revolt as well as the "bund" mentioned in the book. Many have and will fall bc of wickedness of MENS hearts, and what they "believe" the lord is telling them.
The "seedline"
is what opened up the entire Bible to me. The seedline is what pulls everything together from Genesis to Revelation. I am so thankful to have learned about the seedline 7 years ago.
Oh, and
Mc = Son of
so, McCain = Son of Cain
what does THAT tell you?
if they can tamper with that story
what about creating one to keep us divided?
Fedor
According to you, we shouldn't believe ANYTHING in the bible anymore, since we now have the great Zeigeist Addendum to guide us...
In fact, within one day of Zeigeist Addendum coming out, you signed up here, and were urging everyone to immediately drop their current beliefs and replace them with what that movie is telling us we should believe. And I don't want to even go back and list the insults you hurled at everyone who a) didn't care for the movie, and b) didn't immediately alter their world views because of it.
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they don't keep us divided
people who can't let others be themselves without having hatred towards them divides us.
I have no ill feelings towards people who aren't Christian, or aren't from Oklahoma for that matter..what does bother me is people who only want clones of themselves in this world.
I understand
But many Christians believe the concept of ONE is a trick created by the devil, etc. That there will be an anti-christ, etc, etc. This all plays right into the power elite's hands. Could they have started these stories on purpose?
or
it could be God telling His people of things to come. The Good Book tells you how to know Christ has returned..anything other than that is anti christ. In my opinion. But no in my honest opinion I don't think Biblical stories and text were made by the NWO. Now the NWO twisting text to get what they want is much more plausible, how else are they going to deal with a Billion believers? They like lions, will try and split the herd and trick the weak. But it is up to each individual to spend time in study and prayer, and to seek the truth. Listening only to a man standing in a pulpit, isn't doing the job your supposed to be doing as a Christian. As you can tell by reading these posts, even among believers there are those who listen to, and live by what they are told, and then there are those who actually read and go to God in prayer for answers.
Either way, only we the people allow them to divide us.
If I were the Power Elite
I would create a narrative that demonized humanity coming together. Why? Because the party is OVER for them when we come together. Rulers have known this for thousands of years. So, create a story that keeps the slaves divided. Let the story police itself. Sit back and watch them tear each other apart. We never even get close to the power elite. Brilliant.
Jesus! This isn't that hard.
all translations say that jesus pretty much mastered judaism as a child and went east
then all translations pick up when jesus came back preaching something different from judaism...that new stuff (even though it is distorted) changes people lives
most of us have asked, "what happened to jesus after he went east as a child and came back from the east many years later?" what was omitted!
well, some eastern documents show that jesus studied went to the Himalayas in India and he did tapas there for twelve years...meaning he became a Yogi. the other years were spent traveling and perhaps studying some other belief system.
what's a Yogi? To be blunt, an expert in Yoga. Most people in the west think that yoga is a weird stretching. Mildly educated westerners know that these moves come from Hatha Yoga...one of the major branches of Yoga. Yoga is extremely comprehensive belief system consisting of physical, spiritual, medical, economic, philosophical, etc. wisdom.
So jesus came back and said "Hey guys, gather 'round and let me school ya on yoga! It's neato!" But since people aren't very trusting of new stuff, things didn't go that well. Even when jesus used yoga methods to heal people, others proclaimed jesus as god. Jesus just brushed it off. But soon, as it often did in those times, stories grew and outright lies were told, and before you know it, the story was that jesus was performing miracles. So the whole false prophet accusations started coming out. Still, some people were interested in what jesus had to say, maybe jesus could heal what ails me, some wanted to see magic... and so, jesus went on tour, hitting different cities. He already was irritating the pharasies and probably the romans because his new teachings conflicted with their old beliefs...and curing people where no one else could belittled the powers that be. At some point, jesus said or did something substantial about the pharasies' usury practices...and that was the last straw. This guy had to go...and they (pharasie and roman alike) plotted and executed jesus.
Kinda like how Ron Paul said constitutional stuff and thus they killed his campaign.
Anyway, when you study yoga, you gain the proper perspective to really understand what Jesus was teaching. There is no way that those that wrote the bible could have had this knowledge, thus they stuck in their hebrew messiah magical nonsense.
Okay?
Wanna be like jesus? Great...study (real) yoga!
Case closed.
Next.
Though What you Have Written
is not as comprehensive as you might think, I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment though it is speculative, if not just for the fact that we can't go back and see exactly what happened. If you read the yoga sutras of Patanjali you will gain some understanding on how it was possible for Jesus to perform miracles. Jesus was a realized master but he was also of incredibly auspicious birth, he was the master of realized masters.
As for Yoga, it means Union. Union of individual consciousness into god consciousness. The "goal" of practicing yoga is to merge your consciousness with God. God is omnipresent thus God is in you and by removing your karmas and impurities and stilling the mind you can know the light of the soul and the soul is the living power of god. Watch your breath, God is inhaling, God is exhaling.
yoga??? lmao that has
yoga??? lmao that has nothing to do with true Christianity! don't speak of that which you know nothing about!
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
Relax, It's simply language
When will we stop being divided by grunts and groans. Jesus also had great Kung Fu.
The great apostacy in
The great apostacy in Christianity started with the Roman church and the persecution of Jews, and the outlawing of Sabbath Keeping and adoption of the false Sabbath in honour of the day of the SUN -ie: "sunday"
The day the women came to discover an empty tomb is NOT acurately represented in ANY English bible, including the KJV.
Unless you think the Gospel writers knew the difference between cardinal and ordinal numbers in every instance EXCEPT the Resurrection passages:
http://www.freerepublic.c...
and a little history:
(Greek here is wrong, but history worth reading)
http://www.abcog.org/ntsa...
The question is simple, really. Can God count 3 days and 3 nights just as He can count 40 days and 40 nights? Or does one mean something different when you want it to?
My dad has done some
research about the "3 days and 3 nights".
In the KJV, it states "because it was a high holy day". My dad says that a "high holy day" was a special time where they had two Sabbath days back-to-back (on a Friday and Saturday). Therefore, Jesus had to be crucified on Thursday. The math works that way. :) Why doesn't more churchgoers question it - Friday evening to Sunday morning is only 2 nights!