We don't need oil or gasoline! ALCOHOL - The original MOTHER of all alternative fuels
Posted October 5th, 2008 by blakmira
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The real reason for the prohibiltion of alcohol!
We don't need gasoline; we never needed it!
Learn how to run your car on alcohol!
Facts: Scientific and historical about gasoline and alcohol
1. The original automobiles ran on alcohol because when they were invented, gasoline was not available.
2. Rockefeller spent $4 million (that we know of) to promote Prohibition, a ban on alcohol manufacturing in the US that started in 1919 just as the car industry was taking off.
3. When Prohibition was lifted in 1933, gasoline stations were ubiquitous and most engines ran on gasoline only.
4. Alcohol can be manufactured locally and on a community level from renewable plant material for $1 per gallon.
5. The growing of plant material for alcohol would have no effect on the price of food.
6. The growing of plants for fuel would more than neutralize the carbon created by burning alcohol for fuel.
7. In Brazil, over 50% of new cars sold can already run on 100% alcohol.
8. Producing alcohol from plant material is incredibly energy efficient.
9. The oil companies aggressively promote garbage science to deceive the public into believing that alcohol fuels: a) will cause starvation, b) are uneconomical, and c) are net polluters.
10. Gasoline is a high toxic material.
11. It is entirely unneeded to fuel our cars.
12. Oil companies like Chevron have pressured PBS, commercial TV networks and other news media to keep this basic information from the public for decades - and the censorship continues to this day.
Get together with your community to farm beet sugar, etc. to make alcohol! Many cars can run on alcohol with $200 convertor kit!
To learn more, GO to "Alcohol Can Be A Gas!" - David Blume's website
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Can be done and no need for Standard oil.
Sugarcane is squeezed to extract the liquid and pulp, then the stock of the plant is burned as the source of heat for producing the alcohol. The Co2 the burnt plant and the consumed alcohol is released into the air and of course recaptured by next years crop. The same can be done with hemp or other crop with similar characteristics. The technology already exists, has for hundreds of years, we just need to refine it.
grant
Michigan too, yet we have to import petroleum?
Here in Michigan they pay farmers not to produce as well. Not to mention that they pay not to produce milk and have come through many times to buy cows to slaughter. There is no such thing as free market, we live in a socialist country. When are the people going to wake up.
Buy, sell and invest locally.
There is a better way, every body just needs to take all their money out of the bank, stock market and government T-bills. Then go buy food, supplies, silver and gold. Use the silver and gold to start local businesses and trade. Invest in your local communities and don't lend money to anyone unless you know where they live and can look them in the eye. This is how it was done when the Constitution was written...
grant
The not
enough farmland idea is pure bullshit. In Idaho where I live there are farmers who make living fro the FedGov paying them not to farm. Its called CRP! The farm land argument holds no water!!!
Boy if everyone only knew.
you could get 2000 gallons of Methanol form 2 acres of Hemp and that refineries are already set up to run this process people would be irate..
I already know and I'm irate
I'm working on my neighborhood to set up a barter system. Someone makes the DIY alcohol still, gets the free permit for ethanol fuel from the govmt for personal use, someone else installs the converters cheap, and we never have to buy stinking gas at the pump again. I think we'll be using spring grass.
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Should allow competing alcohol production, hemp, potatoes, cane.
Local farming communities could have an alcohol industry, all over the country to provide this alternative. It creates local jobs and is better for the environment.
Buy, sell and invest locally.
There is a better way, every body just needs to take all their money out of the bank, stock market and government T-bills. Then go buy food, supplies, silver and gold. Use the silver and gold to start local businesses and trade. Invest in your local communities and don't lend money to anyone unless you know where they live and can look them in the eye. This is how it was done when the Constitution was written.
grant
Why make your own fuel? Because you can!
Thanks for this new link hawkieye:
http://running_on_alcohol...
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Petroleum cartel Statism...
People knew about this 90 years ago, but the law didn't allow them to use alternative fuels. It's called Statism. We want free markets, not the lie they sell us.
grant
There are even areas in the
There are even areas in the U.S. where sugarcane grows, but there are so many products that could be used if the State didn't protect the petroleum industry.
grant
um, not so much
The land area requirements, and the energy requirements for processing mean that we can't come close to producing enough Alcohol to fuel everything we need. There is just not enough available arable land. (since alot must be used for food. )
Oil is used because it it easily processed, and uses a relatively small land area to produce lots of energy.
Now using Algae maybe, but in the end, energy conservation is the first key, connecting electric cars to Nuke plants would be the best. If you want the political advantages of distributed sources, you need to develop better ways of producing electricity, like a windmill that powers a genorator, that provides energy for your car.
Another myth. We would only
Another myth.
We would only need about 11-13 percent of farmlands to produce enough alcohol. Whats more there are many plants like cattails and mesquite that are high producers of alcohol that don't require farmland.
Brazil only uses about one percent of their farmlands to produce alcohol and they are energy independent They have proven it can be done you can't argue with results.
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A story from "sugar beet country"
Idaho is known as potato country, but they have a big sugar beet processing plant in Nampa. Many local farmers were convinced they would really make it big in beets. What they were not told was very important in this desert climate:
"...the difference between the seasonal gross water requirements of sugar beets and corn is 53%"
http://www.extsoilcrop.co...
And for those of you who don't like chemicals on your property, they are very labor intensive if you don't spray.
The good news is there a
The good news is there a many things that can be grown like fodder beats or Jerusalem artichokes that require less water. Even corn is not as bad as it is made out to be it is in the middle of as far as efficient producers of alcohol. And the by product after distilling is a very highly nutritious animal feed. Mores so then before it is put through the distilling process.
Sugar beats are very high producers of alcohol also.
One of the things David Blume emphasis is is the decentralized smaller regional and local plants to get away from the gasoline model of big corporate centralized processing. When Alcohol is done this way they often throw away the by product because it is to far away from the farms and not cost effective to ship it back to the farm areas
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Where I live they grow sugar beets too....
and I have heard recently that they are GMO. Are they where you live?
Community production and spread the wealth.
One way of making alcohol production practical is to set up refineries in farming communities. Of course farmers can always produce it themselves, but in large scale it would be more efficient if farming communities invested in a local refinery to take their product and have them distill it. This kind of system could be set up all over the country instead of just in Texas as petroleum primarily only this State.
grant
Alcohol is very good and good for farmers too.
In Brazil, with the use of sugarcane for making alcohol, there is no need for an outside source of energy since they use the stock of the plant to burn for processing. The same can be said if hemp were to be used in the States.
As for CO2 production, there is no problem because what is released is reabsorbed by the next years crop. CO2 is converted into O2 for us to breath and C is stored again in the plants.
main thing is energy
my father built a small alcohol plant in '81, for a farmer to be self sufficient
this is his take on the Dave Blumes theory
The main thing is energy in and energy out. To make 1 gallon of alcohol it takes close to 110,000 BTU to cook, kill bacteria, run transfer pumps,
run the still to separate the alcohol from the water.
You get 92,000 BTU,s from 1 gallon alcohol, 190 proof. or 95% alcohol 5% water.
To get 200 proof alcohol it has to be dried in another process, using more energy yet.
Thats just the beginning. When you ferment the starch to sugar, sugar to alcohol you get a shit load of CO2 or carbon dioxide off the fermentors.
A friend damb near past out cleaning out the ferment tanks after they were empty.
We vented the CO2 out the roof vents. I can't find anywhere How much CO2 comes off a 1000 gal fermentor, I am almost positive it is a lot. at least 50% of of what 92,000 BTU's of coal put into the air.
If you use all electricity to make alcohol, you do the math!!!!!!
I would have to look it up but I think a gallon of coal is about 180,000 to 200,000 BTU's.
Just guessing.
You have to have 200 proof alcohol to blend or put into tanks or you will eventually get water in your fuel tanks, injectors, pumps, Big problems. Rust and things.
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Ok so on that Revenor site
Ok so on that Revenor site it said you could get a permit to make alcohol...has anyone been through that process? Is it easy or hard?
Definitely...
why Hemp production in America is Illegal. If we used hemp,we wouldn't have to use food. Great info by the way.
I am so depressed about the
I am so depressed about the GEET guy Paul Pantone when reading this thread. He came up when I put it in the search engine. Does anyone know about him?
Disgusting. Utah sounds like a creepy place to be.
I feel compelled to help.
Great post. I have had
Great post. I have had Davids book for several months very enlightening. Almost all the negative crap you have heard about Ethanol is wrong. We could be energy independent is short order. This is something patriots can do to become self sufficient.
Here are some plans that many folks use to today for a proven design from Robert Warren who worked with David Blume in the past.
http://running_on_alcohol...
I have these plans but have not built the still yet.
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Ready made
Ready made stills.
http://www.revenoor.com/G...
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Wait, I just heard that I
Wait, I just heard that I can't put alcohol in my kind of car a newer Honda Accord. That they were not designed to put Alcohol in them. I do remember the dealer saying never to put high octane fuel in it..Or the super..
Anyone? Is this true?
Wait, I just heard that I
Wait, I just heard that I can't put alcohol in my kind of car a newer Honda Accord. That they were not designed to put Alcohol in them. I do remember the dealer saying never to put high octane fuel in it..Or the super..
Anyone? Is this true?
Not true you can run up to
Not true you can run up to 50% ethanol without any modifications
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There are also ways to make biodiesel out of soybean.
Alcohol cars are great.
New technology in Brazil makes flex vehicle much more practical. In the off season for production of sugarcane the price of gasoline may be a little cheaper and so the car uses gasoline, but even so gasoline in Brazil is mixed with 20% alcohol.
So there is a choice to use pure alcohol or gasoline with 20% alcohol.
And this in a country that is self sufficient in petroleum. New offshore discoveries should make Brazil a major exporter in the future.
grant
Here's a good link.
http://hemp-ethanol.blogs...
Yes hemp is the fuel of the future
But right now it's illegal to grow it so we'll have to make do with other grass like switchgrass, I think it's growing all over my front yard.
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alcohol is a good fuel.
However, you will need to make alot, because it only has about 2/3 the energy content as gasoline. So you need to run a richer mixture, and therefore you get less miles per gallon.
But, if you make it yourself, and can make enough that you don't run out, then it doesn't matter if it has lower miles per gallon. Except it won't go as far on a tank of fuel.
It also has very high octane rating, so you can run high compression without fear of detonation from low octane fuel. And it runs pretty cool temps, compared to gasoline. Higher compression and lower temps can mean better efficiency of the engine.
So, it's viable, but you'll need alot of it to service the US. It would be a major industry for sure.
That is only true if you run
That is only true if you run alcohol in an engine tuned for gasoline. Alcohol does not have less energy content then gasoline. It has less BTU's which is a heat measurement but that is not the proper way to measure energy output for an internal combustion engine. It is worked performed that matters.
You can run up to 50% alcohol in most cars with no modification. You will get less mileage then gasoline because the cars is tuned for gasoline. Some of the newer cars a flex fuel cars and designed for both gasoline and alcohol and you should not see a drop in mileage.
Alcohol can get better mileage then gasoline in a properly tuned engine.
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Yep, that's the ticket
Build a still, fill your tank, that way when you break down, you can just pop the tailgate and suck on the fuel line.
Switchgrass looks real good to turn into alcohol
and it's legal to grow!
http://www.sciam.com/arti...
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How much does it cost for a gallon of alcohol?
WAHOR!!
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I believe the article said $1 a gallon
More or less depending on what you're using as the base, like for example if you grew your own wheatgrass & had your own still, it would be free!
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Better yet
learn about "geet"
google it, and imagine the possibilities using alcohol in this system.
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
Oruval, 6 years ago we had
Oruval,
6 years ago we had Pantone and his wife Molly come to do a presentation with his GEET here in our small town. With our own eyes we watched a Briggs and Stratton lawn mower engine run on mountain Dew water crude oil and some sugar. It ran for 20 minutes in a closed room and the only thing you could smell was a bit of crude oil but there was no smoke and the muffler was cold. Unfortunately Paul is a paranoid alcoholic that embellishes badly so there were a half a dozen people that bought into getting this type of system in their car and it did not happen. My freind went to Salt Lake City to work with him to put it in his Miata. What he was able to find out was Paul could not use this technology in a vehicle with variable speed changes. He was so paranoid that he never let his electrical guy talk with his mechanic. All the people that invested in his product were ripped off. Too bad the technology was real and viable. Since then I have never doubted the existence of zero point energy.
Variable speed changes.
Humm I wondered that myself. as I was reading about it and watched a few videos. The whole point of the geet system from why I took was the plasma created from the water and the fuel running along the exhaust inside vaporized the fuel before it entered the combustion chamber. Seems like a continuous loop that when you break it, (engine speed change) it looses it's ability to power the engine.
I've learned enough about how inefficient hydrocarbon burn in a engine is that PICC or the geet system makes absolute sense. The potential at hand is remarkable I just haven't figured it all out for myself first hand.
The HHO I've experimented with on a few vehicles is doing a great job.
Heck HHO alone with ethanol from hemp and the world could become energy independent in no time.
okay, seems to be basically replacing the carburetor but
looks like its primary goal is for "better gas mileage"
If you're using your own free home-made alcohol, you wouldn't need to worry about that.
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Nothing is for free ...
How much seed does it take to produce a gallon?
How many btu s does it take to distill it?
How much land is required?
I can go on ...
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well if you grow it.
you have what are called seeds as a by product of plants, if you have two acres and can grow hemp on little to no water and no fertilizer all you need is the sun. My guess is overall if you can distill enough for yourself and utilize such things as a geet or hho system the the cost per gallon drops immensely.
Gosh I'm glad you are here trying to use that fear of telling others you think you are smarter than us, and we aren't going to profit from this or it's not economically viable.
For real Rhino.. You say you have kids, Go spend some time with them. You seem to be here an awful lot spewing your knowledge. It must be killing your home life.
Right, rhino is thinking globally -- as in mass production but
we need to think communally.
Like I listed above, switchgrass is legal and grows all by itself -- how much does the grass already growing in your yard cost you??? Nothing! After you make the still for under $100 and install the approx. $200 convertor kit in your car,
YOU ARE HOME FREE!!!!
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You still need to answer those questions ...
You're not going to like the answers.
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rhino there is a cost to
rhino
there is a cost to making ethanol but if you watch David Blume's DVD you will be able to understand how to make this at a very affordable price and do other good things for a community as well. Go do your home work. I spent $75 for his book and DVD which was well worth it. You's do much more for your kids looking for answers than refuting everything.
I have done my homework ...
depending on the cost of land in your area it will cost you anywhere from $4 - $8 per gallon assuming a small scale operation and depreciating assets over time.
Not to mention you can land yourself in jail if you burn this on a federal highway and maybe even a state road.
Just letting people know the full story.
Oh yeah, I forgot ...
If you convert then you can only use alcohol and you need about 4 acres to keep you running year around. (1 average car 50 miles per day).
WAHOR!!
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I never did homework in high school.
graduated 3.0, scored well over 25 on my act.. not once did I take home school work. Learned more when I got out of the public school system.
I don't see you being very good at this.. 4-8 dollars a gallon my ass. oh and btw.. you can use ethanol in your car.. hell most of the gasoline in the US is cut with it. Depreciating assets over time... HOW? a steel dosen't fall apart like your amazing steel skyscrapers that can crumble at free fall speed from merely kerosene and aluminum.
But nice try tho to scare people away from this. I would give you a C- on your effort.
Erm
I won't comment on the 4-8 dollars per gallon, but depreciating assets over time is a very real deal.
As a business owner who uses quite a bit of steel, brass, and plastic, not to mention numerous motors: Yes, assets depreciate over time, especially when motors are involved. It's a real cost of doing business.
A 1995 Ford Taurus is a depreciating asset. Any motor depreciates over time. Wear and tear are real things.
Please don't brag about your 25+ ACT score on a forum where I'll bet 90% of members scored above 30, even the ones I don't agree with. It's a bit insulting.
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You schmuck.
A distiller self made can't really depreciate. I was talking about that. This dicussion was about creating ethanol. Only thing that will depreciate is the tiller you'll have to use to plant and that will last longer than you or I can live if maintained.. I wasn't talking about cars. cars depreciate that's a given.
I wasn't bragging. I was letting him know it's not rocket science I speak of here. Yes 90% may have scored above 30 but I guarantee they didn't play 4 sports without home work.. or are able to break a engine down and rebuild it, plant their own crops, or make their own gun powder, or are able dislocate your shoulder in a ring. That was bragging. Who's insulted?
If they are smarter than me on a high school assment test to judge how you accepted the public school education system then they should feel this is easy to understand.
Now if you scored higher on your ACT than I did and you don't understand then yeah I would see why you're insulted. Most schmucks who think they know everything do get offended. Then rest who are intelligent see it ponder over the idea if they have something to add to the conversation they do, if not they simply do not interject, for most don't want to be seen as a dick head such as yourself...................................................................................
Again
Where are you buying the materials for your distiller? I don't care who makes it, it is a DEPRECIATING asset. When you say, "if properly maintained" that means again, it is a depreciating asset.
I think we can all agree that no one here had your exact life and raising. Although, that is extremely close to the usual definition of a smart, active person from a rural area. Again, why does bringing it up matter? "I scored well over 25 on my ACT." Saying you scored well over, leaving the number vaguely high, is a way of making yourself sound like a smart person. Yacking about not doing homework ever and how you scored your 3.0 anyways while playing 17 sports, that's more self validation, but it still doesn't disprove that "yes, assets depreciate."
I stayed out of the rest of this debate because I don't know a damned thing about gas engines or ethanol engines or the rest, but as a business owner I know damned for sure that even if I buy my own parts to build equipment that over time I need to replace them.
While I admire your theory of forum posting there at the bottom of the post, I'm noticing that the only decision you've left open for "intelligent" people is that they add to the conversation. The problem you're leaving here is that many people have information which may or may not detract from the statement you're making. An intelligent person would then most likely view the information they're bringing to the table and attempt to poke holes in it.
If you're going to state for the "class" here that assets like motors and distillers do not have maintenance costs or decrease in value over time, I think you need to go back to the drawing board. <---- Notice the one period necessary to end a sentence.
Eric Hoffer