Zeitgeist: Addendum (A REVIEW) By Mark Dice
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Zeitgeist: Addendum (A REVIEW) By Mark Dice
Mark Dice Interviews Peter Joseph, Producer of Zeitgeist the Movie
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Alex Jones on Zeitgeist
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"98% nutritious. Just like rat poison."
"Its the 2% that gets ya." LMAO.
Alex Jones sums it up pretty well. Zeitgeist Addendum does contain some good info. The "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" stuff was great. Some of the info on money creation (not all) was up to snuff.
But unfortunately, the new age utopian poison in Zeitgeist renders its consumer politically useless.
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Man, people get so uppity
Man, people get so uppity when you point out that religion is untrue and downright silly. :)
So. Peter Joseph... Mark Dice... Alex Jones... everyone of these people have said many things I agree with, and many things I don't. It's all good. I take truth where I find it, and discard the rest.
As long as you maintain independence of thought and reach your own conclusions, and then stay open to new contradictory information from then on, you're doing your job.
Though if you come to a different conclusion than me, I'm still gonna raz you. :)
you folks who deride religion and god,
you miss a much bigger point that we are biologically built to communicate very efficiently through symbols
over 5,000 years many powerful symbols have been co-opted and used for evil works
nonetheless, symbolic communication is far more powerful than english
this has nothing to do with god, or religion - but i challenge YOU to imagine a society without a single LOGO! without a single symbol that doesn't represent a complex thought! now if we understand how important symbolic literacy is, we may not be so quick to condemn EVERY SINGLE logo. we may start to understand the true nature of spirituality, as opposed to its human-made distortions.
but logos and symbols are important. the reason many of you are so distrusting is because you have learned that the meaning of certain symbols was kept from you - but you cannot throw out the idea all together. eventually, banning symbols leads quickjly into banning written language. do not proceed down that slippery slope. the sun is a very powerful figure on our earth and in our spirits. just because some who worship it are evil does not make every solar symbol evil. same goes for the moon, and the dragon, and others.
eh, there is such a steep learning curve for many of you.
It's just one possibility...not the end all
I think the main idea to take away is we are giving up all possibilities if we don't let go of the little box they let them keep us in...
There is such a thing as opportunity costs... If you spent $100 to go out on the town... but you could of spent that $100 to buy a winning raffle ticket.... by going out on the town you lost the chance of winning the raffle...
The same goes on here... that $850 billion for the bailout could have done allot of neat things...especially in the hands of a free people but we lost that opportunity...
In regard to collectivism... Ron Paul suggested we follow a foreign policy called non-interventionism... but the media kept saying he was a isolationists... theres a big difference between one mans vision of freedom vs. anothers... collectivism is everyone working for the group... and the group deciding the individuals role.... what I saw was an idea of each person working for themselves but benefiting everyone by becoming exceptional and whatever it is that one does. It's one man's vision... so don't be afraid of it... it's probably beyond our lifetime even if it does become reality
Mike
"Fire Team for Freedom" and "Revolutionary Business"
visit www.mikeandjake.com
Thank you for
Thank you for differentiating the idea of collectivism with other more evolutionary stances which still deal with group dynamics! I've posted so much on here about powerful group processes that could revolutionize the way communities deal with problems(like economic fallout on the national scene) and then I get called a Collectivist, Communist, Obama Kid, etc
I'm not done watching the Addendum, but I do know that the work of Jacque Fresco is amazing stuff and very free-thinking. He despises regimented society and instead looks to nature(you know, that thing that god made?) and see the amazing diversity there, and yet notices how everything works together. . .
I agree... we should not be here to debate the religious aspects
of any religion...
unless people start getting in the habit of finding the truth... they will be running around in circles forever... and that to me sounds like what the powers that be would be very happy with...
When it comes to philosophy have at it... but don't attack an idea because you can't get past the facts...
There is a difference between facts (truths) and opinions...
I admire the man for having the courage to say things that so many other people fear.
It's like the story of the person that lived in a jail cell for many years... then found out the door wasn't locked... most people choose to stay because they fear the unknown... but there are a few that will step out...
Mike
"Fire Team for Freedom" and "Revolutionary Business"
visit www.mikeandjake.com
What are you talking
What are you talking about?
The guy made up a bunch of bullshit.
He basically said that money is the root of all evil, so we need to drop the CFL, and adopt Krisna so that robots will fix everything.
His previous works about other religions have zero bearing on how stupid this whole philosophy is in itself.
A revelation, for me anyway.
Both David Icke and Peter Joseph are shills. They present very eloquintly an esoteric truth that is threatening to become common knowledge, and combine it with absurdity. This is a sneaky disinformation tactic. I'm sure this is a ploy to discredit the truth in rational and or religious minds.
Exactly what they're doing
It's the only explanation for the end of the movie. Did you see the whole triangle hand with the sun thing? What was that about? I don't see why they would expose the esoteric agenda then use it's symbolism in their new movie. Didn't sit right with me. You think they were paid off by masons or occult? I don't know, I just don't get why they went this collectivist route.
It's hard to believe.....
a sun worshiping comminist lizard that carries a syringe and a box of RFID chips is actually the man behind the curtain.
Henry Kissinger?
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Don't be afraid of ideas...
I suppose you were mad when you found out Santa wasn't real ... but deal with it and move on... the truth ... your truth ... is the key...
There's nothing wrong with being religious... all this guy is saying is don't be fooled... he's trying to do you a favor... to think for yourself... stand on your own two feet...
As for the robots... it's just an idea...one of many... the key is we are giving up all the potential and possibilities of the future if we remain children and don't use our own brains.
Mike
"Fire Team for Freedom" and "Revolutionary Business"
visit www.mikeandjake.com
We are not really here to
We are not really here to debate whether Christ is real or not, we are here to support the CFL, so that we are all free to believe whatever we want.
How is Zeitgeist asking us to all drop the CFL and adopt the "communal cosmic consciousness" any less theocratic then if someone asks us all to drop the CFL and adopt Jesus as our personal lord and savior?
So what if they try to sweeten the deal with nifty robots, they are still just a retarded cool-aid cult.
LOL!
Kool aid isn't even Kool anymore! LOL!
I agree though, we need to understand we need to unify for our cause, our freedom, and our country.
We can't defend or support the whole world let alone the whole galaxy and cosmos!
F*c*en aye!
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"The real terrorist's are in this country and they are not planning to blow us up, but rather, take our money, our freedom, and our country."
Is fear of stupidity...
a bad thing?
Good job Mark Dice!
Zeitgeist was idiotic, anti-individual freedom, and foolishly Utopian!
Why are you people buying the Zeitgeist BS?
Holy Sh*t
Enough with this bullshit venus project. Go join up with Tom Cruise and all the other Wacos who can't seem to grasp reality. The dude who started the Venus Project knows nothing of societies or their needs for individuality and freedom. He is a designer, a futurist and an old guy who probably thought we'd all be cruise'n around in flying cars by now. It's awesome to have people with this kind of vision, no doubt about it, but he isn't my Thomas Jefferson. Those guys Had a vision that includes freedom and includes individuality. That's the vision I'll be fighting for. Thanks, but no thanks Venus Project.
Do your homework dude.
Do your homework dude. Fresco is all about the individual! It's just that, he sees we also need to work together! He doesn't talk about some collectivist utopia, instead he mimics what is found in the natural world where everything is in constant flux as a result of all individual pieces working with each other for better or worse. . .
People like you are so fucking scared of the idea of people working together yet you fail to see that the Ron Paul Revolution has been a show in Collective Intelligence!!!
"Oh no! He said COLLECTIVE!!!! Quick, get your Ayn Rand books out and your Freedom Force cards!"
I mean, really, get your ideas straight, don't be afraid of the idea that people can work together in groups, communities, and society and yet still maintain their individuality!!!
Exactly!
Venus Project = BS!
Okay I'm gonna use my stage name here
Sentinel says that I've liked alot of what Mark Dice and Alex jones have done for the awakening of people but .............stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
they get lost in the religion paradigm every time. Like soldiers to a dying cause they cater to the religious retardation that scares me. I see the boundaries in where they are allowing themselves to go and it really does scare me , You can not allow yourself only a partial insight! You go all the way to the truth or you don't. You cannot accept only partial proven reality when it caters to your needs. GOD DOES NOT EXIST !
When you die you are worm food , get over it and stop being so arrogant.
~Mikael / Peace, love, Light and unity ~
The Christianity issue is
The Christianity issue is beside the point.
I'm not religious, I don't arbitrarily dismiss the solar Christ theory, but that has nothing to do with how retarded Addendum is.
We do not need to drop all money and political involvement, while we find Krisna so that robots will fix everything.
Anyone with any critical thinking skills whatsoever can see how stupid that is.
This is your future you
This is your future you addendum hatters >>>>>>>>>>>>>> check this out....... now tell me if you dont think he would take your job,,, he is faster smarter and nicer then you !!!!! http://www.youtube.com/wa...
He's Hot!
What all can he do?
he can run all night long!
he can run all night long!
http://www.addendummovie....
http://www.youtube.com/us...
http://www.InfoSpill.com
Since were back on this movie...
I'm surprised that DPer's like the idea that everyone should have free food and free healthcare and other free basic necessities. Isn't that socialism? I can't see any incentive to working if I don't have to work to provide food and shelter. If we lived in the world they propose, everyone would become fat, dumb, and lazy.
Become?
...I think they're already there. (fat, dumb, lazy)
If people actually had to fend for themselves a little bit, they might actually get in shape, learn things and not waste time.
I don't like "The Venus Project" but I like the idea of sustainability. I don't like the machines scenario either. I fear we already chose that path and we're batteries already. ;}
Zeitgeist: Addendum is brilliant…
Mark Dice is an ignorant ass-wipe.
"It does not take a majority to prevail... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." Samuel Adams
That guy comes off as SUCH a
That guy comes off as SUCH a moronic deuch-bag in that video. Constantly snickering awkwardly and what's with that long pull off a pretend joint? I guess this is perfect example of how a lot of the second part of Addendum will go straight over the heads of the weak-brained and myopic.
What a sad display of ignorance... he doesn't even get it
Some people say skydiving is crazy and never try it... but those that do relize that it is what living is all about.
You can go your whole life living in the basement or you can get out and put it on the line... take on challenges, find out what makes things work, make mistakes, etc... Mark can stay in the basement...but don't expect me to... I want to live life, not be afraid of it!
Don't be afraid of ideas!
Mike
"Fire Team for Freedom" and "Revolutionary Business"
visit www.mikeandjake.com
Glad someone else can say it so succintly
Don't be afraid of ideas!
Heh, well make sure you send
Heh, well make sure you send me a post card from the mechanical garden of Eden, right after you sacrifice all of your dollars to Krisna!
Weren't they talking about
Weren't they talking about not having a monetary system?
"I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever." - Thomas Jefferson
do you even know who Krisna is?
Lets compare the story of Jesus to the story of Krisna. Go ahead. You do realize what a racist prick you are. I assume you do.
Yeah right, Hare Krisna
Yeah right, Hare Krisna himself would tell you that anything that describes a "collective cosmic consciousness" "is Krisna".
Besides, when did you become Mr. Sensitive about religion?
I thought that anyone who won't drink the Zeitgeist cool-aid is just a "religious moron".
I've caught Propaganda man
IN the FLESH
http://www.solsup.com.au/...
"what a racist prick you
"what a racist prick you are." - How humble of you.
He handle is social engineer
go figure. I think he knows what he's doing. What's the going rate for a social engineer these day?
Dice and his gang of retards will
be the first ones to attack those of us trying to break free from the Fed and government. These great American puppets will do the dirty work for the elite. Silly clowns will be chanting Ron Paul the whole time. How sad.
The jesus savior paradigm is a tough one to break
He might come around when he sees the no money movement come into action. Until then we'll have to pray for his salvation ; ).
Well, I'm not religious, but
Well, I'm not religious, but I'm sure that I can have faith that you sincerely believe in no money, and that you will be giving me all of your cash any moment now...
It's not about faith
It's about knowing. I know money is the root of the problem. I don't have to give anybody anything-and neither does anyone else.
What you fail to grasp, and all of your other friends do as well is that we could have everything we need in this world if we just stopped using money. All the resources are abundantly at our disposal if we didn't have this tracking system for determining how fast people can swindle each other.
Maybe it's too expansive an idea for your mind to grasp. Maybe you haven't looked into alternative energy, or maybe you have no ability to do anything on your own. I don't know, and I don't care because you haven't done anything to benefit anyone so far.
mark dice is right i'm not
mark dice is right
i'm not going to go on about why the abolition of money and private property is not a good thing ..
if you profess to understand anything about austrian economics ... then you need to be smacked upside the head if you think robots will save us and working is evil and that people will just work because its fun!!!!
And that my friend is the
And that my friend is the Zeitgeist cool-aid...
P.S. Don't forget that you have to find Krisna first too!
yeah you get em.
social engineer.. good job. Save us all from peace. Keep us locked to greed and money.
No currency? I'm sorry but
No currency?
I'm sorry but that has to be the worst idea I've heard on these boards. Money is simply a medium of exchange. The complete elimination of money will lead to the complete break down of society. Money facilitates social cooperation and without it there can only be primitive levels of the division of labor.
Think back to a barter system. The only way I can trade for something I need, like food or water, is to have in my possession something of value to the person I am trading with. What if I specialize in making shovels and as such use them in trade. Maybe the traders who trade in food and water do not wish to trade for a shovel because it offers no value to them(they may already have one). What are my options? I must find someone who will trade something the food trader wants for my shovel.
As you can tell, this system is highly inefficient. Money acts as that item the food traders want and not only that. Money acts as the item that everyone in society wants to trade for because people understand it can be used to purchase everything.
As long as a free market can exist, money will naturally arise out of it as people will look for a way to expand trade with others wherever possible. The only way to eliminate money from society is to have a closed society where people aren't allowed to interact freely.
No money = no market = communism
Bad ideas should be weeded out of the Dailypaul. This is supposed to be a place to discuss libertarian philosophies not far out collectivist nonsense. Please read some of the books that Dr. Paul has himself written about capitalism and the markets.
"My theories explain, but cannot slow the decline of a great civilization. I set out to be a reformer, but only became the historian of decline."
- Ludwig Von Mises
you miss the point
but that's okay. you are right to an extent.
but i see this as a battle for the hearts and minds.
the joke of it is, people have to stand up for their own hearts and minds. i can't do it for anyone but myself. that's why the ron paul movement is a reflection, the reaction but not the cause of, internal reform that is recurring due to a different cause all together.
that is why i feel that talking about spiritual principals far outweighs much of the time, political or economic principals. spiritual philosophy is a major part of why i revere austrian economics. however, once i have that piece my consciousness wants to continue to explore the issue of an economy and how humans interact in a "society."
i could spend every last minute of my day trying to abolish the FED. and guess what, it will still be there tomorrow. i could spend every last minute of my day making sure Ron Paul is elected president, but its not going to happen. there is a place for spirit in our lives. there is a place for dreaming.
i am a carpenter. i build things with technology and my brain and my hands. i am a philosopher and a seeker of Truth. i am a medicine man who has good medicine for those who need it from me. there is nothing wrong and everything right about balancing ideals with pragmatism.
Find a clue
What is money now? It's but numbers in a computer. Zeitgeist Addendum points this out. Numbers assigned as value of exchange.
Think about that before you close your mind.
Money is the root of all
Money is the root of all evil, Money is the true mark of the beast! He who has the most money stepped on the most backs
http://www.addendummovie....
http://www.youtube.com/us...
http://www.InfoSpill.com
money has never been paper
money has never been paper or numbers in a computer ... the only real money is established on the free market .. we don't have one ... the numbers and papers are debt
Believe me when I say this;
Believe me when I say this; a fiat and monopoly corrupt monetary system is still preferable to having no currency.
Yes, they may be numbers assigned in a computer. The same can be said for physics then: just numbers and diagrams on a piece of paper.
Isn't a computer just a machine that reads 1s and 0s?
My point is so what? As long as people accept that a currency has value then it will have value regardless of whether that value originates in a computer(which it doesn't - it's based on marginal utility) or from a sought-after commodity.
Now, I should finish by saying that I am completely against our current monetary system. It's just that a terrible monetary system is FAR FAR better than none at all.
(As an exercise to prove this point, spend a day trying to trade for things without using money)
"My theories explain, but cannot slow the decline of a great civilization. I set out to be a reformer, but only became the historian of decline."
- Ludwig Von Mises