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In the hope WRellim will stop bumping this thread and leave the personal attacks to his own home.
I'll shorten this comment so somebody will read it and understand we don't have to agree and peaceful disagreement is always better than personal attacks:

Simultaneously, individuals are taught that being "correct" is what creates their value as human beings. This state of being "correct" is directly related to the prevailing values of society itself. Therefore, those who accept and support the social system's views are considered "normal", while those who disagree are considered "abnormal" or even "subversive". Whether it is the dogma of a unique social tradition, or the alignment with a worldwide establishment religion, the basis is the same: Intellectual Materialism.

I hope some people will learn to grow up and respect others opinions. Until then this movement is lost.

"Zeitgeist" is not a "film" it's a piece of hypnotic propaganda full of BS.

It's a standard propaganda play piece, and you've been suckered into promoting it.

1) Use a few facts that the targeted viewer is likely to (predisposed to) agree with or find revelatory.

2) Add in a bunch of vague universally recognized and commonly desired "goals."

3) Throw out some additional vague promises of a "free lunch" via technology, or "science" or ___________.

4) Since you now have the viewer in an "agreeable" state of mind and willingly suspending their disbelief and discernment -- and you can now safely add in a host of lies, label specific scapegoats as the "bogeymen" that are preventing all of the desired goals.

5) Then, pull in all together in some nice utopian "dream world" (but this time with the magic of "robots" to solve all of our problems... YAAYY!)

6) Get the (now convinced) viewer to proselytize for your cause.

Ba-bing, ba-bang, ba-boom... a new "convert" has been created.

This will always work with those who are young, idealistic, and or easily impressionable (and likewise thoroughly ignorant of history, science, and reality -- and are therefore lacking in discernment and are easy rubes.)

Sickening.

Oops, almost forgot step 7) Charge for copies or solicit donations or sell "auxiliary merchandise" and... PROFIT! (Cha-ching!)

He just wants to foist his opinions on others.
I'll shorten this comment so somebody will read it and understand we don't have to agree and peaceful disagreement is always better than personal attacks:

Simultaneously, individuals are taught that being "correct" is what creates their value as human beings. This state of being "correct" is directly related to the prevailing values of society itself. Therefore, those who accept and support the social system's views are considered "normal", while those who disagree are considered "abnormal" or even "subversive". Whether it is the dogma of a unique social tradition, or the alignment with a worldwide establishment religion, the basis is the same: Intellectual Materialism.

I hope some people will learn to grow up and respect others opinions. Until then this movement is lost.

"Zeitgeist" is not a "film" it's a piece of hypnotic propaganda full of BS.

It's a standard propaganda play piece, and you've been suckered into promoting it.

1) Use a few facts that the targeted viewer is likely to (predisposed to) agree with or find revelatory.

2) Add in a bunch of vague universally recognized and commonly desired "goals."

3) Throw out some additional vague promises of a "free lunch" via technology, or "science" or ___________.

4) Since you now have the viewer in an "agreeable" state of mind and willingly suspending their disbelief and discernment -- and you can now safely add in a host of lies, label specific scapegoats as the "bogeymen" that are preventing all of the desired goals.

5) Then, pull in all together in some nice utopian "dream world" (but this time with the magic of "robots" to solve all of our problems... YAAYY!)

6) Get the (now convinced) viewer to proselytize for your cause.

Ba-bing, ba-bang, ba-boom... a new "convert" has been created.

This will always work with those who are young, idealistic, and or easily impressionable (and likewise thoroughly ignorant of history, science, and reality -- and are therefore lacking in discernment and are easy rubes.)

Sickening.

Oops, almost forgot step 7) Charge for copies or solicit donations or sell "auxiliary merchandise" and... PROFIT! (Cha-ching!)

WRellim- you don't have to be "correct":
Simultaneously, individuals are taught that being "correct" is what creates their value as human beings. This state of being "correct" is directly related to the prevailing values of society itself. Therefore, those who accept and support the social system's views are considered "normal", while those who disagree are considered "abnormal" or even "subversive". Whether it is the dogma of a unique social tradition, or the alignment with a worldwide establishment religion, the basis is the same: Intellectual Materialism.
As we realize that knowledge and hence our institutions are always evolving, we see that any belief system which claims to "know" anything, without allowing for dispute, is a failed perspective. Religion, with its foundation in faith, is the king of this distortion, as it claims to know something definitively about the most complex and elusive origins of human kind, and this simply is not possible in an emergent universe.
That being said, it is then realized that equally as dangerous as the Establishment Power Structures, are the people who have been conditioned to completely accept the static understandings put forth by these systems... therefore becoming: "Self Appointed Guardians of the Status Quo". This applies to every system, especially political, financial and religious systems. Since people's identities become associated with the doctrines of a Country, Religion or Business ethic, it often becomes very difficult for a person to change, for his or her identity has become combined with the ideologies which have been imposed upon them. Therefore, they perpetuate the doctrine of the institution, simply to maintain their personal integrity, as they see it.
We must break this cycle, for it paralyses our growth not only as individuals, but as a society.

http://www.thezeitgeistmo...

"Zeitgeist" is not a "film" it's a piece of hypnotic propaganda full of BS.

It's a standard propaganda play piece, and you've been suckered into promoting it.

1) Use a few facts that the targeted viewer is likely to (predisposed to) agree with or find revelatory.

2) Add in a bunch of vague universally recognized and commonly desired "goals."

3) Throw out some additional vague promises of a "free lunch" via technology, or "science" or ___________.

4) Since you now have the viewer in an "agreeable" state of mind and willingly suspending their disbelief and discernment -- and you can now safely add in a host of lies, label specific scapegoats as the "bogeymen" that are preventing all of the desired goals.

5) Then, pull in all together in some nice utopian "dream world" (but this time with the magic of "robots" to solve all of our problems... YAAYY!)

6) Get the (now convinced) viewer to proselytize for your cause.

Ba-bing, ba-bang, ba-boom... a new "convert" has been created.

This will always work with those who are young, idealistic, and or easily impressionable (and likewise thoroughly ignorant of history, science, and reality -- and are therefore lacking in discernment and are easy rubes.)

Sickening.

Oops, almost forgot step 7) Charge for copies or solicit donations or sell "auxiliary merchandise" and... PROFIT! (Cha-ching!)

Several members are hear discussing the film and it's positive influence. If you dislike the movie please find the other threads and voice your opinion there.

Some more wisdom from an unlikely source:
Simultaneously, individuals are taught that being "correct" is what creates their value as human beings. This state of being "correct" is directly related to the prevailing values of society itself. Therefore, those who accept and support the social system's views are considered "normal", while those who disagree are considered "abnormal" or even "subversive". Whether it is the dogma of a unique social tradition, or the alignment with a worldwide establishment religion, the basis is the same: Intellectual Materialism.
As we realize that knowledge and hence our institutions are always evolving, we see that any belief system which claims to "know" anything, without allowing for dispute, is a failed perspective. Religion, with its foundation in faith, is the king of this distortion, as it claims to know something definitively about the most complex and elusive origins of human kind, and this simply is not possible in an emergent universe.
That being said, it is then realized that equally as dangerous as the Establishment Power Structures, are the people who have been conditioned to completely accept the static understandings put forth by these systems... therefore becoming: "Self Appointed Guardians of the Status Quo". This applies to every system, especially political, financial and religious systems. Since people's identities become associated with the doctrines of a Country, Religion or Business ethic, it often becomes very difficult for a person to change, for his or her identity has become combined with the ideologies which have been imposed upon them. Therefore, they perpetuate the doctrine of the institution, simply to maintain their personal integrity, as they see it.
We must break this cycle, for it paralyses our growth not only as individuals, but as a society.

http://www.thezeitgeistmo...

And FEDOR and JSHOWELL are reposting the same stuff over and over again just to bump the thread... why the heck not do it again, right?

"Zeitgeist" is not a "film" it's a piece of hypnotic propaganda full of BS.

It's a standard propaganda play piece, and you've been suckered into promoting it.

1) Use a few facts that the targeted viewer is likely to (predisposed to) agree with or find revelatory.

2) Add in a bunch of vague universally recognized and commonly desired "goals."

3) Throw out some additional vague promises of a "free lunch" via technology, or "science" or ___________.

4) Since you now have the viewer in an "agreeable" state of mind and willingly suspending their disbelief and discernment -- and you can now safely add in a host of lies, label specific scapegoats as the "bogeymen" that are preventing all of the desired goals.

5) Then, pull in all together in some nice utopian "dream world" (but this time with the magic of "robots" to solve all of our problems... YAAYY!)

6) Get the (now convinced) viewer to proselytize for your cause.

Ba-bing, ba-bang, ba-boom... a new "convert" has been created.

This will always work with those who are young, idealistic, and or easily impressionable (and likewise thoroughly ignorant of history, science, and reality -- and are therefore lacking in discernment and are easy rubes.)

Sickening.

Oops, almost forgot step 7) Charge for copies or solicit donations or sell "auxiliary merchandise" and... PROFIT! (Cha-ching!)

I will never stop posting about this important topic. It was placed on the front page of this website and called genius for a reason. If you dislike that. Leave. Find another website. "We" will NEVER stop exploring this very interesting topic and it will be very visable. So keep the attacks up. We will answer everyone and add some more new info as it arrives.....Keeping this thread right up front allows more members to explore the ideas. Thank you.

Here's a unique perspective:
When we understand that all systems are Emergent and constantly in a state of evolution, along with the reality that we are all Symbiotically connected to nature and each other in the most simple yet profound way, forcing the realization that our personal integrity is only as high as the integrity of the rest of society, we then see how twisted and backwards our social establishments are and how their perpetuation is largely the cause of the social instability in society. For example, the Monetary System has been long deemed a positive force in society due to its claim to produce incentive and progress. In actuality, the monetary system has become a vehicle for division and totalitarian control.
It is the ultimate form of "Divide and Conquer" for at its very core are the assumptions that (1) We must fight each other in order to survive. (2) Humans must have this reward "Incentive" to do anything meaningful.

As far as Number 1 (We must fight each other in order to survive.), this characteristic of 'competition' in the system guarantees corruption in society on every level, for the basis is "us against them". Many argue that the "free market system" is good... but it is corrupt in the modern day due to bad policies, favoritism, bailouts, etc. They assume that if a "pure" free market was allowed to flourish then it would be okay. This is false, for what you are seeing today IS the Freemarket at work, with all its differential advantage and corruption. No laws will ever stop the insider trading, collusion, monopoly, labor abuse, pollution, planned obsolescence or the like... this is what the competition based system produces without fail, for it is based on the premise of taking advantage of others for profit. Period.

We must begin to transition out of these oppressive ideals and move towards a system which is "designed" to support human beings... not force them to fight in order to survive. As far as Number 2, (Humans must have this reward "Incentive" to do anything meaningful.) this is just a sad and an incredibly negative perspective of the human being in general. To assume that a person must be "structurally motivated" or hence "forced" into doing anything, is just absurd. Think back to when you were a child and had no idea what money even was. You played, were curious and did many things... why? Because you wanted to. However, as time goes on in our system, that natural curiosity and self-motivation is striped away from people, as they are force to conform to the specialized, compartmentalized, nearly predefined labor system in order to survive. This, in turn, often creates a natural rebellion within the person due to the forced obligation, and this is how we came up with "leisure" and "work" separations. The laziness assumed to exist by the monetary system proponents (who claim it produces incentive) do not recognize this. In a true society, people would follow there natural inclinations and work to contribute to society not because they are "paid" for it, but because they have a greater awareness which recognizes that contributing to society helps them just as much as everyone else. This is the heightened state of awareness we hope to communicate. Your reward for contributing to society is the well being of that society... which, in turn, furthers your well being.

Now, putting things into perspective, it is important to understand that our world is currently run, undeniably, by a small group of dominant men in high positions of those institutions which are most dominant in society- Business and Finance. The establishment of government is in tandem with the influence and power of corporations and banks. The life blood is money, which is, in fact, an illusion that now has little relevance to society and serves as a tool for manipulation and division along a kind of social organization that guarantees elitism, crime, war and social stratification.

http://www.thezeitgeistmo...

For those who might want to try to tweak their brain cells and think:

The elite power systems are little effected in the long run by traditional protest and political movements. We must move beyond these 'establishment rebellions' and work with a tool much more powerful:
We will stop supporting the system, while constantly advocating knowledge, peace, unity and compassion. We cannot "fight the system". Hate, anger and the 'war' mentality is a failed means for change, for it perpetuates the same tool the corrupt, established power systems use to maintain control to begin with.

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Cause I know all the detractors can debate on an intellectual level:
The bottom line is that in order to change things for the better fundamentally, you must begin to address root causes. The current societies system of "punishment" is outmoded, inhumane, and unproductive. When a serial killer is caught, most people jump up and down and scream for the death of that person. This is backwards. A truly sane society, which understands what we are and how our value systems are created, would take the individual and learn the reasons behind his or her violent actions. This information would then go to a research department which considers how to stop such conditions from occurring through education.

It is time to stop the patchwork. It is time to begin a new social approach which is updated to present day knowledge. Sadly, society today is still largely based on outmoded, superstitious dispositions and resolutions.
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Ponies and Rainbows and Unicorns for everyone!

YAAAYYY!

And no one will have to work... and no one will have any money... everyone will be nice and helpful and willing to give you whatever you want!

YAAAAYY!

Isn't EVERYONE sick & tired of this "Zitguest" propaganda crapola being constantly bumped by Fedor & his sidekick?

Here's some more from thezeitgeistmovment:
The central insights of this awareness is the recognition of the Emergent and Symbiotic elements of natural law and how aligning with these understandings as the bedrock of our personal and social institutions, life on earth can and will flourish into a system which will continuously grow in a positive way, where negative social consequences, such as social stratification, war, biases, elitism and criminal activity will be constantly reduced and, idealistically, eventually become nonexistent within the spectrum of human behavior itself.
This possibility is, of course, very difficult for most humans to consider, for we have been conditioned by society to think that crime, corruption and dishonesty is "the way it is" and that there will always be people who want to abuse, hurt and take advantage of others. Religion is the largest promoter of this propaganda, for the "us and them" or "good and evil" mentality promotes this false assumption.
The reality is that we live in a society that produces Scarcity. The consequence of this scarcity is that human beings must behave in self preserving ways, even if it means they have to cheat and steal in order to get what they want. Our research has concluded that Scarcity is one of the most fundamental causes of aberrant human behavior, while also leading to complex forms of neurosis in other ways. A statistical look at drug addition, crime and incarceration statistics, finds that poverty and unhealthy social conditions comprise the life experience of those who engage in such behavior.
Human beings are not good or bad... they are running, forever changing compositions of the life experience(s) that influence them. The "quality" of a human being ( if there was such a thing ) is directly related to the upbringing and thus belief systems they have been conditioned into.
This simple reality has been grossly overlooked and today people primitively think that competition, greed and corruption are "hardwired" elements of human behavior and, in turn, we must have prisons, police and hence a hierarchy of differential control in order for society to deal with these "tendencies". This is totally illogical and false.
http://www.thezeitgeistmo...

I live about 45 minutes from this place. I'm going to take a trip up there soon :)

This is truly one of, if not the most amusing threads that I have seen here. And, its not listed under humor, go figure.

Carry On...

It is also important to point out that there are no utopias or endings. All evidence points to perpetual change on all levels. In turn, it is our personal actions everyday of our lives that mold and perpetuate the social systems we have in place. Yet, paradoxically, it is also our environmental influences which create our perspectives and hence world views. Therefore, true change will come not only from adjusting your personal understandings and decisions, but equally from changing the social structures that influence these understandings and decisions.
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