Adam Kokesh & Iraq Vets Arrested at the New York Presidential Debate!

And what will you do?

the arraignment is for the officers who injured people unlawfully and not the heroes.

In this case the horse was being used as a vehicle. Would it be permissible for a police officer to run someone on the street over with their car?

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Pandemonium outside Hofstra debate: Mounted police push back protesters and spectators. At least three trampled and injured. Fifteen arrested

Pandemonium erupted outside Hofstra University tonight around 8pm, just one hour before the third and final US Presidential debate.

Mounted police pushed back veterans, protesters, and spectators. Fifteen people were arrested, and at least three injured.

The incident occurred as members of Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) attempted to enter the debate and ask a question of the presidential candidates.

According to eyewitnesses, after the protesters tried to cross the street to enter the Hofstra campus, mounted police pushed the crowd back onto the sidewalk, causing at least three people to be trampled under police horses.

Exclusive video and interviews (note this article was originally written for and summarized on Huffington Post's OffTheBus):

This is an overview of Hempstead Turnpike from the southwest corner, facing north towards the entrance to Hofstra University.

The camera follows the police on horseback to the opposite (east) side of the street, where peaceful protesters are rallying.

You can hear CodePink4Peace members singing "We are singing for a peaceful world."

This is an interview with CodePink, taken about two hours prior to the incident.

The CodePink group was on the opposite (southeast) corner from where the incident would take place. The sidewalks are not very deep - only about 10 feet wide - and overflowing with people.

(NOTE: CodePink was on the opposite side of the street, and not involved in the incident).

From the interview: "We are the peace platform. We are promoting peace as the main form of change that we are all waiting for."

This video was taken about 8pm, from the southeast corner, facing west. The mounted police were trying to keep the Iraq Veterans Against the War members off the street by pushing them back onto the sidewalk, which was overflowing with observers, students, and civilians.

A higher resolution version of the tape shows that there is a person lying on the ground with their hands covering their head, under and alongside two of about six horses.

A few people started chanting "horseshit" and "bullshit," until CodePink members overwhelmed them with choruses of "Peace, Shalom, Shalom."

I finally got to the west side of the street. This video shows the injured spectator getting into an ambulance, bleeding from her face and head.

I interviewed her before she received medical attention. I suggested that she get medical attention, and directed her towards the ambulances.

I'd post that video, but I never got her approval, and anyway the light was really bad and people were shouting so loudly that you can't really hear her.

Blood on the streets in Hempstead, NY. The crowd chants "Shame! Shame!" at the assembled police line.

Three eyewitnesses from IVAW: Sargent Jason Wayne Lemieux (sp?), USMC; Sargent Liam Madden, USMC and co-chair, IVAW; and Jabar McGruder (sp?), Blackhawk helicopter mechanic, Army National Guard.

According to Jason:

"Six veterans attempted to get into the debate. They tried to move past the police line and were arrested. The riot line started pushing us back across the street. They just kept pushing and pushing. Occasionally one officer would charge their horse forward into the crowd. One of the times that they charged forward...they actually stepped on several of our members including one member who was stepped on the face by a horse. A civilian was also trampled. "

According to Liam:

"We were trying to peacefully enter the debates to ask questions. ... We arranged this with the police beforehand, they knew that we were being non-violent. ... The police continued to charge the horses at the protesters, activists and civilians...resulting in the stepping on an Iraq veteran by a horse..."

According to Jabar (sp?):

"The horses began to essentially push us across the street, and we got pushed back so far there was nowhere to go. And the last charge, is when our member got stepped on."

"I have not seen injuries like that since Iraq. Seeing people laying on the ground like that. I don't need to go through that here in the streets. I don't need to go through that here in America."

"And this is what I got tonight for trying to peacefully bring a message to these candidates. Both of them claim that they support veterans, and this is how we got supported tonight. By being pushed back and trampled and arrested."

Two spectator eyewitnesses:

"They kept pushing us further back until we got to the sidewalk, and they told us to get onto the sidewalk. And they continued to bring the horses up onto the sidewalk. A few IVAW members tried to break through the line and they were trampled, along with another woman."

About 45 minutes after the incident, the only corporate outlet to cover the event was Fox. They interviewed three eyewitnesses, one of whom was apparently injured.

Woman One:

"There was no violence by anybody. They called for non-violence."

Woman Two:

"All of us said that it was non-violent. They sent out press releases that told all the men in charge that it was going to be a non-violent protest."

"I got pushed with horses, I got pushed down by a man with a nightstick. I got pushed down onto the ground by a SWAT team. We kept on saying "non-violent, non-violent," and they continued to push all of us."

Man One:

"They weren't just backing us up slowly, they shoved her to the ground. And that officer did not have a badge, or any kind of identification on his chest, so that we could know who our civil servant is that's supposed to be protecting us. Who shoved her to the ground so carelessly,and putting her life in danger."

"The same officers who led their horses out of control that might have killed an Iraqi veteran here tonight, stomping his head with their horse."

In this clip, I asked a few patrol officers for some information on those arrested. They gave me the number for Police Investigations.

According to police, fifteen people were arrested and charged with disorderly conduct, including IVAW DC chapter members Adam Kokesh, Geoff Milard, and Nick Morgan. Morgan suffered injuries to his head and chest when he was trampled, but was released from the hospital as of this writing.

As of 1am eastern time, fourteen people were released on court appearance tickets scheduled for November 10. One person is still being held for refusing to sign paperwork.

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1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4un9lejuMo
2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWzWhT0pCO0
3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxL6rrRv4xg
4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLRwdHIkr48
5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fU8iFUEjAY
6 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjTzNx7cvTU
7 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZDf_J2UoNM
8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-OMTvCa_Oo
9 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyfRSF_U7mE
10 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9Qy9_IcInY
11 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP3Aygyx1vM
12 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU5AIgq1WGw

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For the plenty of people who still think we're at war in Iraq to "keep us safe and free from the terrorists" and that we need to stay there until it's "won," we need former soldiers like Adam Kokesh *Who*Has*Been*There* to set them straight.

There's a better chance they would have respect for a soldier who has actually been to this war and is a passionate and articulate speaker.

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He in no way thinks that we will ever have a violent revolution. He says things in his speeches to incite the crowd. He realted a story to me were he and a group of the IVAW got in a line and the police were waiting for them. When they started to get close police officers broke down and cried because they could not hurt veterans.

because they were demonstrating.??

the yellow ribbon thing gets me. It has evolved from bring the troops home, to support the troops by voting McCain. You absolutely do not support the troops when you vote McCain. The way to take care of our troops is NOT to keep them in wars and countries all around the world. Also, on an aside, have you thought about what a great birth control this nation building/empire building is. Keep the men in other countries and in war and reduce the population of the US.

It's just a way to feel good about yourself by saying that you do and not being "THAT" guy that people can single out as a jerk that doesn't support the troops.

It's the same reason you're considered a racist if you don't vote for a black candidate or a sexist if you disagree with a woman candidate. And also how many of the "pro-life" people care about what someone else is doing with their pregnancy but don't give an F enough to do anything to help once the child is actually born into poverty; and moreover, they're also pro-war -- which is the most anti-life position you can take.

i wanna rip those things off people's cars every time i see them.

ACLU?

that needs to be called at 516-573-7000. According to her it was NOT Heamstead police.

Just called this number and an officer who gave me his name said they were released four hours ago. He has no knowledge of the one who was trampled in the head.

what's up with that?

for this information, videos, excellent reporting and prompt posting.

For the update and videos

Thanks for the bump, this is not my thread but I think it is top page information!!

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