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Preschoolers’ parents protest required flu shots

As flu season approaches, many New Jersey parents are furious over a first-in-the-nation requirement that children get a flu shot in order to attend preschools and day-care centers. The decision should be the parents’, not the state’s, they contend.

Hundreds of parents and other activists rallied outside the New Jersey Statehouse on Thursday, decrying the policy and voicing support for a bill that would allow parents to opt out of mandatory vaccinations for their children.

“This is not an anti-vaccine rally — it’s a freedom of choice rally,” said one of the organizers, Louise Habakus. “This one-size-fits-all approach is really very anti-American.”

New Jersey’s policy was approved last December by the state’s Public Health Council and is taking effect this fall. Children from 6 months to 5 years old who attend a child-care center or preschool have until Dec. 31 to receive the flu vaccine, along with a pneumococcal vaccine.

The Health Council was acting on the recommendations of the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which has depicted children under 5 as a group particularly in need of flu shots. But no other state has made the shots mandatory for children of any age.

“Vaccines not only protect the child being vaccinated but also the general community and the most vulnerable individuals within the community,” New Jersey’s Health Department said in a statement. It has depicted young children as “particularly efficient” in transmitting the flu to others.
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yeah flu shots. sounds perfectly natural.

perhaps ill start taking them daily with my breakfast.

wake up people (not us here of course, we're all rather 'unplugged'). besides the fact that there may be serious repercussions from them (whether known or not), they effin guess on what strains will be running rampant over the world. and many times, they guess wrong.

maybe we should start making, canning and selling 'flu shot soup'! you dont know which strain youre being vaccinated for in each can!

now thats fun for the whole family.

B.C. man paralyzed after flu shot warns of risks

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/...

B.C. man paralyzed after flu shot warns of risks
Wed Oct 22, 1:33 PM

A New Westminster man is raising a warning flag after he contracted a rare
and debilitating condition linked to the flu shot that left him paralyzed
for almost five months.

Every fall, health care workers across Canada distribute 10 million
influenza vaccinations, and for the vast majority of people, the flu shot
causes no major problems.

Within two weeks of getting his annual flu shot in 2007, however, Richard
Ryan, 44, went from being happy and healthy to being in excruciating pain.

At first, Ryan thought he had injured his back, and he checked into the
local hospital emergency room, he told CBC News on Wednesday.

But Ryan was also suffering some numbness, and when a neurologist tested his
reflexes, he found Ryan had none, he said.

"The doctor asked me what was going on in my life. And as soon as I said I
was feeling ill after getting a flu shot, he said, 'Stop right there, I know
what you have,'" Ryan said.

The neurologist diagnosed Ryan with Guillain-Barré syndrome, an autoimmune
disease that attacks the nervous system.

According to the B.C. Centre for Disease Control, the chance of developing
that particular disease from a flu shot is one in a million.

But as Ryan learned the consequences can be severe. By the time the
emergency room exam was over, he was too paralyzed too get up. He spent the
next 10 weeks recovering in hospital, including three weeks in intensive
care, barely able to breath or eat for himself.

"My face was paralyzed. I had no feeling inside my mouth. I couldn't feel my
tongue. My left eye wouldn't close so it had to be taped shut to sleep," he
said.

The illness progressed into a lifelong condition known as Chronic
Inflammatory Demyelinating Polyneuropathy (CIDP), and a year later he
remains heavily medicated, unable to work, and has memory problems.

Although the disease is in remission, he is not expected to make a full
recovery, and the chronic condition could return at any point in the future.

Now Ryan say he is concerned that public health officials are promoting the
flu vaccine while most people are not fully aware of the risks.

However, Dr. Danuta Skowronski, an epidemiologist at the B.C. Centre for
Disease Control, says the benefits of the flu vaccine still outweigh the
risks for the vast majority of people.

"Nothing is completely risk-free," she told CBC News. "It is always a matter
of weighing the benefits and the risks."

Medical information provided with flu shots does mention the
one-in-a-million chance of getting Guillain-Barré syndrome.

But it is especially important for people with heart and lung problems, the
elderly and the chronically ill, to get the influenza vaccine because it
could save their lives, Skowronski said.

"Influenza itself can be life threatening, and it's those groups that we
want to make sure are not put off from receiving influenza vaccine
unnecessarily," said Skowronski.

There are more than 2000 flu-related deaths in Canada every year. Seniors,
people with weak immune systems and some children are at highest risk.

More common possible side-effects of vaccinations can include fever, muscle
pain and weakness.

For his part, Ryan maintains that he's a good example of the fact that the
benefits of the vaccination don't always outweigh the risks.

"I think if people knew how serious the illness is, they would think twice
about the flu shot," he said.

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Does anyone have any reports from the protest in New Jersey?

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Any photos?

Any ignorant comments from the rabid-pharmers?

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Patrick
Polk County, Florida

Total BS!!! F$%# New Jersey's Public Health Council!

Mike
"Fire Team for Freedom" and "Revolutionary Business"
visit www.mikeandjake.com

You know

vaccines are supposed to make you sick...

Dr. True Ott - The Bird Flu Hoax (video)

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This flu WILL be spread through the vaccination - just as the Spanish Flu was spread through a typhus vaccine during WWI which killed millions.

He calls it a 'hoax' because it's being weaponized and will be spread on purpose. It won't be spread by birds.

Part 1

Part 2

Part 3

Part 4

Part 5

Part 6

Part 7

Part 8

Part 9

Part 10

Part 11

Part 12
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Patrick
Polk County, Florida

My daughter was the one that turned me on to this whole thing

About vaccines and flouride , Kids are smarter than you think these days.
You gotta love em !! I never did the vaccines though just because I never got sick.
~Mikael / Peace, love, Light and unity ~

I got the shot

And guess what. I don't care. Its all in your heads people. The big gobment tells you "the flu is gonna get ya". yours friends say "the flu shot made me sick". I hate that one. Its all in your heads. I also get my shots for free so who cares. I have been shot up with so many vaccines that now it doesn't seem like a point to start crying over spilled milk. My kids if I have any will not get vaccines. Over my dead body. The will not get them as infants period. I will kill a mother fu(ker if they come after mine with a needle fresh out the oven.

well then good luck to ya ?

You are letting corrupt people inject things into you without telling you what they are injecting ? So you blindly trust people to put unknown chemicals into your body ?

~Mikael / Peace, love, Light and unity ~

Ah ha ha

Oh your so funny. Now go sit back down at the kiddy table. I am owned by the government. I am government property. They can do what they want to me. Its all the price I pay for working on the inside. Who will they tell to stay on base when the SHTF? You sentinel? I think not. Stay tuned to the DP. You early warning system in the event of SHTF. Like I stated before sent...I have been vaccinated with shit that would make you turn white. I cannot help myself now I am to far gone. Kind of like the police informant who has to smoke crack and witness murders just so he can report back to the chief. Now who's the asshole.

Thanks Sgt, I'm sorry you

Thanks Sgt,
I'm sorry you had to that but I appreciate the sacrifice. You are correct not to worry about what they have injected you with because it will do you more harm than good. One day they will not own you and there will be many things you can do to boost your immune system. Take care of yourself till then : )

U.S. Hoards Bird Flu Vaccines Over Bioweapon Fears

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Look at this headline !!!

U.S. Hoards Bird Flu Vaccines Over Bioweapon Fears

Excerpt:

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WASHINGTON (AP) ¯ When Indonesia's health minister stopped sending bird flu viruses to a research laboratory in the U.S. for fear Washington could use them to make biological weapons, Defense Secretary Robert Gates laughed and called it "the nuttiest thing" he'd ever heard.

Yet deep inside an 86-page supplement to United States export regulations is a single sentence that bars U.S. exports of vaccines for avian bird flu and dozens of other viruses to five countries designated "state sponsors of terrorism."

The reason: Fear that they will be used for biological warfare.

Under this little-known policy, North Korea, Iran, Cuba, Syria and Sudan may not get the vaccines unless they apply for special export licenses, which would be given or refused according to the discretion and timing of the U.S. Three of those nations -- Iran, Cuba and Sudan -- also are subject to a ban on all human pandemic influenza vaccines as part of a general U.S. embargo.
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Yet they are going to stick you and your family with this "biological warfare agent".

By the way, this IS how the bird flu will be spread - THROUGH THE VACCINE !!!
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Patrick
Polk County, Florida

The fact of the matter with

The fact of the matter with the bird flu "vaccines"(ya right) is those given a certain shot(under the guise of vaccination) will be live incubators to help mutate the virus which will cause the out break, or they will harvest the new virus from you(you'll most likely be dead or quarantined and observed to record symptoms) and use it for their biological weapons.

And its about time the other countries realized what a great threat the usurped US government is.

Thank God I never had kids...

This dirty rotten government won't ever get their hands on my offspring.

I wouldn't dare condemn

I wouldn't dare condemn another human(especially when they come so vulnerable) to this inhuman world either. Take Ralph Nader for instants, he knows the score. I'm like him in that respect, I had a good childhood(it was still no bed of roses) with loving parents. Enough education(provided by good people), knowledge and experience to know that the deck is stacked against us so that their minds would be warped by the government schools and corporate media, poisoned by mandatory(NOT) vaccines(NOT), used to do the evil deeds of these God-delusion megalomaniacs in the military-police-or bureaucratic branch thats only purpose is to make our lives difficult.

No, I wouldnt be able to have the life I'd want for my children with all these forces acting against humanity, the family, all so they can feel superior about themselves and live a privileged life by taking away from, making less, other people.

Warning....do NOT get your newborns Social Security Numbers

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If any of you are concerned about the government tracking your kids, especially for health/vaccination reasons, I HIGHLY suggest you refrain from getting them Social Security numbers upon their birth AND into their late teens.

From the following article:

How The Plan To Force Vaccination Gave Birth To The National ID, A Government Health Records Database, and the End of Medical Privacy

by BY BARBARA LOE FISHER of the National vaccine Information Center

Excerpt:

The National (and International) Vaccine Plan Takes Shape

In 1994, the Department of Health and Human Services published The National Vaccine Plan, which is a strategic plan for vaccinating every American child with all existing and future government-recommended vaccines and for positioning the US mass vaccination program within the context of a global mass vaccination program. The Plan emphasizes that the US is a co-sponsor of the Children's Vaccine Initiative (CVI) launched at the World Summit for Children in 1990 in New York City to vaccinate all the world's children with existing and future vaccines developed by drug companies. In addition to the vaccine manufacturers, funding for CVI is provided by the United Nation's Children's Fund (UNICEF), the United Nation's Development Program (UNDP), the Rockefeller Foundation, the World Bank and the World Health Organization (WHO).

Shalala Appropriates Social Security Numbers

On March 9, 1995, Shalala published a notice in the Federal Register of the intent to establish a new routine use of the Social Security number. This permits the Social Security Administration to disclose the Social Security number of a newborn to state health department officials for public health programs including, but not limited to, establishing public immunization registries with the goal of operating a national network of coordinated statewide immunization registries. The new routine use of the Social Security number permits HHS to disclose information about individuals without their consent if it is for the purpose of administering a government public health program or for conducting medical research.

Folks, I HIGHLY suggest reading the entire article.

These government officials - elected and NON-elected - are fast becoming the enemies of the people.
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Patrick
Polk County, Florida

Cool! When I was a kid, I

Cool! When I was a kid, I was required to get shots for the big diseases. Once I started living in Chile, I was told to get shots but never did because I already got them. Now, the closest I've been to a needle is when I give blood at random. And they take quite a bit. But I started doing this because my grandmother needed it. I have some cousins who can't give blood due to genetical problems. However, knowing what could happen, I was able to jump in and offer. I don't mind giving blood but don't try to sell me the whole "you need to get a shot because we say so" idea.

best immunity to the flu

Get the flu. This is why you should breast feed your children. They get their immunity from their mothers. It seems like the president wants our children to get their immunity from the government. Lets line all those senators and house members up and let them breast feed all the children of this country. Then they might see the benefits of letting mothers take care of their own children.

Let me see if I get this right
The governement puts you in jail for putting chemicals into your own body (drugs).
The government wants to punish you for not putting chemicals into your body (vaccines).

Damned if you do damned if you don't. So if your damned either way why not be damned without having chemicals in you.

Great post

Thank you.

The term is: naturally acquired active immunity

versus the vaccine/antigen route..."artificially acquired active immunity".

Beware anything the

Beware anything the government imposes as mandatory. Especially when it involves injecting chemicals into young peoples bodies. I can PROMISE you that flu is not THAT big of a concern to require injection of chemicals.

Annual Flu Deaths: The Big Lie

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Here's a useful article to combat the fear-mongering we continually get assualted with on the TeLIEvision:

Annual Flu Deaths: The Big Lie

By Neil Z. Miller

Every year, just prior to the impending "flu season," the CDC and their acquiescent media pawns terrorize the American public with false claims regarding annual flu deaths. The CDC boldly asserts that 36,000 people die every year from the flu. Such scare tactics are calculated to increase flu vaccine sales. However, according to the CDC's own official records documented in National Vital Statistics Reports, only a few hundred people die from influenza (flu) on an average year. And many of these deaths occur in people with preexisting conditions, weakened immune systems, and the elderly. For example, in 2002, 753 people died from the flu. The year before, in 2001, just 257 people died from the flu. (Fifty-nine percent of these deaths occurred in people 75 years or older; 75 percent occurred in people 55 years or older.) To put these numbers in perspective, 3,454 Americans died from malnutrition in 2001 -- 13 times greater than the number of flu deaths! That same year, there were 4,269 deaths attributed to asthma, a condition some studies have linked to vaccines.

To rationalize this discrepancy between the true number of deaths caused by influenza every year (as documented in the CDC's own National Vital Statistics Reports) and the outrageously exaggerated bogus number of flu deaths promoted by the CDC, officials claim that flu often leads to pneumonia and that many deaths from pneumonia are really deaths caused by flu. Apparently the CDC has a secret formula for estimating how many pneumonia deaths (officially listed in the CDC's own National Vital Statistics Reports as deaths from pneumonia, not flu) are really deaths caused by flu. Adding to the confusion, influenza is caused by a virus; pneumonia is caused by bacteria. The CDC's own website takes great pains to emphasize their differences. More importantly, the CDC has a pneumonia vaccine. So why doesn't the CDC promote their pneumonia vaccine? In 2002, 65,231 people died from pneumonia; in 2001, 61,777 people died from pneumonia. If everyone took a pneumonia vaccine, especially the elderly and others most susceptible to the disease, wouldn't they be protected? Why is the CDC promoting a flu vaccine to protect against pneumonia, especially when one disease is caused by a virus and the other by bacteria? Also, how many people who died from pneumonia received a flu vaccine? How many received a pneumonia vaccine?

There are three main types of flu virus, and each type can mutate, or change, from year to year. Thus, there are literally thousands of possible strains. (Each strain is thoroughly analyzed and given a proper name, often a title associated with the place where it was initially discovered.) Every year health officials produce a new flu vaccine containing three mutated strains of flu virus. To determine which strains to use, officials travel to China at the beginning of the year to assess circulating flu viruses in that region of the world. They try to guess which strains will reach the United States by the end of the year. Production begins, and the new vaccine is usually available by October.

Flu "experts" often guess wrong. For example, in 1994 they predicted that Shangdong, Texas, and Panama strains would be prevalent that year, thus millions of people were vaccinated with a flu shot that contained these viruses. However, when winter arrived, the Johannesburg and Beijing strains of influenza circulated through society. The vaccine was ineffective. This happened again in 1996, and again in 1997. More recently, the vaccine created for the 2003-2004 flu season contained flu strains that did not circulate through society that year. Officials were once again forced to admit that millions of people were vaccinated with an ineffective vaccine. Yet, flu fatalities did not increase during these years. For example, in 1996, 857 people died from the flu; in 1997, 745 people died from the flu -- typical annual numbers.

In 2004, flu vaccine manufacturers were unable to produce enough flu shots to accommodate everyone who wanted a flu vaccine. (Several batches were contaminated and had to be destroyed.) Thus, only half of the population that is normally vaccinated against influenza (approximately 45 million people versus 90 million during an average year) received the vaccine. If influenza is truly a deadly disease, as officials claim, the 2004-2005 flu season should be catastrophic. If, as the CDC claims, 36,000 people die every year from the flu when 90 million people are vaccinated against the disease, how many more will die when only 45 million people are "protected?" I predict that flu fatalities will not increase. In fact, flu (and pneumonia?) fatalities may even decrease during this rare period when the American population is "under-vaccinated" against influenza.

Note: The article above was written in early 2005. On December 10, 2005, the British Medical Journal published a report acknowledging the veracity of this article by substantiating the claim that CDC flu death figures are completely bogus, hyper-inflated to scare the public and sell more flu vaccine.

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Patrick
Polk County, Florida

The protesters need to speak out against ALL vaccines

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I think these concerned citizens are doing a SPECTACULAR job of protesting this mandatory vaccine.

However, they claim they aren't anti-vaccine.

ALL vaccines are bad, and there should be NO requirement for any child to receive these death-serums.

I also think it's lame they have to BEG for an exemption for this HORRID new mandate. They need to overturn the ENTIRE mandate.

We're always in a postion to just REACT to all these crooked laws. They need to be stopped by having mass trials for all the crooks in our government and pharm-industry.

When history is properly written, it will show that this period of vaccination is on-par with the holocaust - IF NOT WORSE.

Patrick
Polk County, Florida

Autism would STILL happen, even if mercury is pulled out

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Autism is only a FRACTION of the problems caused by vaccines. (that's not to say vaccines are the ONLY cause of the following, but a huge contributor)

Here are some others:

Cancer

Diabetes

Arthritis

Athsma

Allergies

SIDS

Leukemia

And many many more.

Autism and mercury are FAR from the only issues.

For further reading on this subject, I HIGHLY recommend the following (and I pray you and your family PLEASE believe - - I am on YOUR side):

INOCULATIONS: THE TRUE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION

Here's the accompanying audio interview to the above paper by Dr. Carley:

(look for the audio link about halfway down called: INOCULATIONS: THE TRUE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION

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Patrick
Polk County, Florida

Comparison of vaccine schedules - 1983 vs 2008

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Comparison of CDC Mandatory Vaccine Schedule
Children birth to six years (recommended month)

USA 1983

DTP (2)
OPV (2)
DTP (4)
OPV (4)
DTP (6)
MMR (15)
DTP (18)
OPV (18)
DTP (48)
OPV (48)

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USA 2008

Influenza
(prenatal)
Hep B (birth)
Hep B (1)
DTaP (2)
Hib (2)
IPV (2)
PCV (2)
Rotavrus (2)
Hep B (4)
DTaP (4)
Hib (4)
IPV (4)
PCV (4)
Rotavirus (4)
Hep B (6)
DTaP (6)
Hib (6)
IPV (6)
PCV (6)
Influenza (6)
Rotavirus (6)
Hib (12)
MMR (12)
Varicella (12)
PCV (12)
Hep A (12)
DTaP (15)
Hep A (18)
Influenza (18)
Influenza (30)
Influenza (42)
MMR (48)
DTaP (48)
IPV (48)
Influenza (54)
Influenza (66)

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Is it any wonder that childhood diseases, including allergies, diabetes, cancer, autism, asthma, etc, have skyrocketed in the past 20 years?

They keep fear-mongering us that polio, measles, smallpox, etc, will all make comebacks if we quit vaccinating, but vaccination never stopped any of those diseases anyhow. They were all in 80%-90% decline before the vaccines were ver introduced, due to sanitation, hygiene and availability of food.

What do they have to say about all the other epidemics that vaccines are causing?

They say NOTHING.......only deny, deny, deny, deny any linkage.
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Patrick
Polk County, Florida

CONFLICTS OF INTEREST and MORE GET SICK FROM VACCINE

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This from USA Today:

Most health workers skip flu shot

Excerpts:

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By Melanie Welte, Associated Press
DES MOINES —

Operating room nurse Pauline Taylor knows her refusal to get a flu shot is based on faulty logic.

But ever since she got sick after getting a shot a few years ago, she's sworn off the vaccine.

Such stories frustrate Dr. William Schaffner.

As chairman of the Department of Preventive Medicine at Vanderbilt University, he hears that kind of talk frequently and knows it's in part to blame for a surprising statistic — nearly 60% of health care workers fail to get a flu shot.

Schaffner argues that getting vaccinated for the flu should be standard for doctors and nurses, just like washing their hands. That's because the flu virus can be spread so easily.

"Being in close proximity to patients, having conversations with them, bending over their bed, seeing them in the clinic while you're doing procedures, you would be breathing out viruses and spreading influenza into your patients," said Schaffner, who is also president-elect of the National Foundation for Infectious Diseases.

The nonprofit group educates the public and health care industry about the causes, treatment and prevention of infectious diseases. It gets about 75% of its budget from major vaccine makers, but executive director Len Novick said the money comes with no strings attached.

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*****LAUGHING MY REAR OFF ***************

Come on, people !!!

SNL or Jon Stewart couldn't write better stuff than this.

When I saw that last sentence, my mouth dropped open to the floor in amazement that the article actually admitted that 75% of the funding to that organization who wants ALL health care workers vaccinated IS FROM THE VACCINE MAKERS !!!

Are we still living in 1955 and Rod Serling is standing next to me with a cigarette?

COME ON !!!

THIS ALONE SHOULD WAKE ALL OF YOU OUT OF YOUR SLUMBER !!

QUIT BELIEVING THESE CROOKS !!!

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Patrick
Polk County, Florida

One of my biggest concerns

is that all of our children are "required" to get these shots, yet health care workers have "an option"? What is wrong here? I can't seem to follow the logic. If my child can transfer an illness to all he/she comes in contact with, can't a health worker do the same? and most probably infect a much larger population? Someone please help point out my error in thinking on this one.

Dr. True Ott Warns Bird Flu Pandemic spread Thru Vaccine

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Dr. True Ott was on Dr. Carley's show 2 different times recently speaking of the bird flu pandemic.

Here are those two appearances:

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Bird Flu Vaccine and Population Reduction - SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 27, 2008

Hour 1

Hour 2

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Plagues, unless we stop mass vaccinations. WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 15, 2008

Hour 1

Hour 2

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Patrick
Polk County, Florida

One Flu over the Cuckoo's Nest

This year's flu vaccine promises to be the catalyst for the promised pandemic. From a very reputable Doctor the word is out that the vaccine contains a LIVE virus mixed with what is supposed to be the Brisbane variant pathogen. There are three different viruses in the vaccine. Here's the link to the news story of them making the flu shot mandatory: http://news.yahoo.com/s/a...... :if you can get this out to your linked contacts and whatever, please do. Here's a link to a very good movie on chemtrails and what they've discovered... http://video.google.com/v...... ...

http://ca.youtube.com/wat...

National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC)

k2kampmom
Great site for vaccine info
"If the State can tag, track down and force citizens
against their will be injected with biologicals
of unknown toxicity today,
there will be no limit on what individual freedoms
the State can take away
in the name of the greater good tomorrow."
— Barbara Loe Fisher, Co-Founder NVIC

http://www.nvic.org/

don't show love ,reward or hugg

THEY should be protesting the NON emotional teaching that is mandated ...weee

HMMMM...

“Vaccines not only protect the child being vaccinated but also the general community and the most vulnerable individuals within the community,”

Doesn't make sense. Protects the general community and the most vulnerable???? But if they have been vaccinated, I thought they were protected!!

All lies, doublespeak

These kinds of things

have been happening very insidiously all over the country for a few years now. Especially with regard to our children in schools.

I completely agree that anything pertaining to one's child is the sole responsibility/decision of the parent/guardian.

With regard to these flu shots, many of them contain trace MERCURY which is deadly to humans (and, imho, is the leading cause of AUTISM).

We've had a situation @ my child's school where the teachers tell the parents that "only healthy snacks and water in an open cup provided either from home or school" are allowed at snack time. When I asked what constitutes "healthy" and who determines that distinction, I was met with a blank stare.

When I asked why my child could not have milk/jiuce in his $15 Thermos (spill-proof w/straw) cup I was told that "the children work through snacktime and if something spills it will make a mess"

When I pressed the issue, I was told with a searing smile, "That's our rule"

I was left w/the dilemma of "following the rule" or making a stink with the possibility that my child be ostrasized.....

Things are completely OUT OF CONTROL!!

Just one more step in the TOTALITARIAN direction.......

Wait a minute this makes no

Wait a minute this makes no sense they insist on open cups because things can spill?

Also whenever someone tells me that's our rule or policy I tell them when it comes to my kids this is my rule or policy and since I am the parent my rule overrules anyone else's.

Don't compromise your kids to shelter your child from conflict. Stand up to these central planners and cookie cutter authoritarians. And usually if you press the issue there are provisions for exceptions they conveniently forgot to tell you about.

When my kids were younger they tried to force them to wear uniforms and I informed them my kids would not be complying because we believe in individualism and this goes against our beliefs. When they threatened to expel them I threatened to sue them for discrimination and they backed off and eventually changed the rule to just no known gang insignia because once other parents saw us stand up others did too.

Eventually we got tired of dealing with these idiots and pulled them out and home schooled them. Best decision we ever made.
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Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. H. L. Mencken

Get Prepared!

Hey, if you insist on submitting your children...

...to gov't indoctrination gulags, you can't bitch and moan about playing by their rules. If "your" children are in the system (with SS #'s, etc.), the gov't already owns them - NOT you. Maybe this little episode will open up a few more minds to that reality. One can only hope...

http://groups.yahoo.com/g...

Oh my goodness, all those

Oh my goodness, all those poor future autistic children... this is abhorrent.

we need to monitor our lawmakers

Does anyone know about this? I feel this can be very dangerous to all of us, as well as forced vaccines. This Bill will destroy liberty, NOT protect kids. I'm all for protecting our children...but, that's what parents are for.

Bill Protecting Children From Online Predators Now Law
Wasserman Schultz/Biden Protect Our Children Act will build the largest law enforcement army ever created for the protection of children.

The PROTECT Our Children Act (S. 1738)
What is this once great country coming to?

In truth,
ZigiMe.com

Bravo to these parents!

I'm sure this is coming down the pike in other states as well, along with HPV, etc. They'll mandate at will unless there's massive public outcry. An ER nurse friend of mine says she would NEVER get the flu vaccine after all of the complications she's witnessed. A healthy immume system is the proper antagonist to the flu, imo.

Yeah I wonder what

Yeah I wonder what politicians are in the pockets of the vaccine manufacturer to mandate the sale of their poison... Sigh!

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Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. H. L. Mencken

Get Prepared!

They just want the most draft animals in harness.

I wonder what politicians are in the pockets of the vaccine manufacturer to mandate the sale of their poison.

They just want the most draft animals possible in harness pulling the plow. By promoting vaccinations they reduce the amount of downtime for the taxpaying workers.

Personally I think the vaccines usually do more good than harm. But I also believe that's MY choice, not the government's. (And in the kids' cases, the parent or guardian's choice.)

On the other hand the Flu shots are typically protective against LAST YEAR's flu. The agencies have to guess what variants are likely to occur in time to make the stuff up and they often guess wrong. (Not to mention that the immunization choice changes the playing field for the viruses.) I'm rooting for the new designer vaccines, directed against the invariant parts of the viral proteins and giving immunity for decades to life for a whole class of 'em. There's a lab that already has one for all type-As and is working on one for Bs (if I don't have 'em swapped) before they go for approval for a twofer vaccine.

MOST encouraging....

to see this kind of public resistance.... maybe the lights are starting to come on! And I think it is BRILLIANT on the part of these parents to call this a "CHOICE ISSUE".... Starting to see more and more signs of public awakening! Viva la Revolucion!
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The very first recommended

The very first recommended vacine for your child (rubabelum?) has a greater chance of killing your child than the disease itself!! Don't believe? Go to your local Dept. of Heath and read the odds stated on the phamplet.

Influenza Vaccine

It is not possible to get the flu from the Influenza vaccine. What many people call the flu is actually rhino virus (a cold). Specific symptoms of influenza will include muscle aches, especially in the legs.

If you can get out of bed without your legs hurting in the process, you probably don't have the flu. The anecdotal evidence of the flu vaccine causing influenza probable comes from the fact that the vaccine is given in October and November, precisely the same months that we see an increase in other respiratory illnesses.

Now... I encourage my patients to get the influenza vaccine because
1) True influenza is a deadly disease. Especially is high risk populations such as children <5, Elderly >65, pregnant women, and other immunocompromised individuals
2) The more people who are immunized, the better the "Herd Immunity" and the better the protection for those who do not get immunized
3) The vaccine is very low risk and inexpensive.

Why not to get the vaccination
1) Allergy to eggs or other components of the vaccine
2) You don't want it.

All that being said. If you can't get the vaccine you should. There should be no government requirement to get the vaccine. However, if a specific daycare/school requires it, then we fall back to the private property/free market rules and you can get the vaccine to send your children there, or send them elsewhere.

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I knew you were an injectionist from your 1st sentence

to Aphelion27,
Since you have "patients" I presume you took that oath "do no harm".
I know you are super busy and so you "have to" rely on the info streams from your continuing education to have state of the art positions in order to protect the "herd". Since I have not been indoctrinated at a doctor school like you have, unfortunately I cannot ask you to listen to me because I am not on your level, so I respectfully beg you to buy this video.
Vaccines: What CDC Documents and Science Reveal by DO Sherri J. Tenpenny.

This video only presents CDC Documents etc. It is not chocked full of that 1 in a million adverse reaction stuff. As a fellow RP supporter, I presume you seek the truth and desire to really do no harm to your patients. If that be the case about you, then I warn you, it will not be pretty, this video and subsequent unbiased research will painfully immunize you against the bill of goods you have been sold all these years. It is time to sherlock holmes what is really in these vaccines for yourself and stop listening to 'the system' on this one. I leave you with this quote.........

It is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth — and listen to the song of that siren, till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those, who having eyes, see not, and having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it might cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.

Patrick Henry, speech in the Virginia Convention, March 23, 1775

Archives of Internal Medicine, Feb. 14, 2005).

Although policy makers pay homage to the concept of evidence-based medicine, the scientific basis for influenza immunization is not that impressive. Two years ago, for example, the flu shot protected nearly half the healthy adults who got it. But only 38 percent of those at high risk because of chronic illness were protected by the immunization. This was due in part to the fact that the vaccine that year was not a close match for the dominant strain of influenza.

But even in years when the vaccine matches the various types of flu virus circulating in the community, immunization for the elderly may not be as effective as most people think. A study of mortality records for the past three decades shows that death rates from the flu among older people has not changed much during that time. Over the same period, there was a dramatic increase in the rate of flu vaccination, from 15 percent to 65 percent. The investigators concluded that flu shots do not protect this vulnerable population particularly well (Archives of Internal Medicine, Feb. 14, 2005).

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I've never had the flu shot.

I've never had the flu shot. I've never had the flu.

If public schools start to require this as they do with other vaccines, then the free market theory goes out the door. If I pay taxes, I have the right the use the public school, even if I deny the state's usurped authority to control the health of my child. My child seems to be less and less my own property.

Schools need to teach English, math, science, history, etc. They have no right to tell my children to eat 10-12 servings of grains a day (which would make you fat), how to have sex or anything at all about it, that the global warming fallicy is true, etc. Yes, I could home school or go to a private school (which they do). My tax dollars should be transfered to the school or home school of my choice But now the catholic schools are caving into state mandated nonsense.

I realize the good of some vaccines, but the flu shot among others is a matter of personal choice. It's called freedom.

Did you get paid to tell us this crap????

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Complete bullshit!

Complete bullshit! There is no evidence the flu vaccine prevents flu and the evidence suggest it is a major cause of flu or at least a weakening of the immune system making one more susceptible to disease. Do some research instead of just repeating media mantra propaganda. Most people can distinguish the flu from a cold (rhino virus etc) .

This isn't a private property rights issue of businesses requiring it. This is a government mandated program requiring private business to mandate it.

Honestly some folks don't seem to understand true freedom.

http://chetday.com/noflus...

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Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. H. L. Mencken

Get Prepared!

I have never had a flu shot, I'm 53

Since their degrading our health with bad food, bad eatin' habits, fluoride, chemicals, smokin', drinkin', genetic screwed up foods etc. etc. Some of that falls upon the person of course but their not helpin' any, some might say. A person's resistance could easily be lowerd cause of these bad habits.

It's the force and intimidation thing and the insult that they insinuate that they are smarter and that we know nothing.

Did I ever get a flu? Don't think so, had an ugly bug "once", ooh that was bad but I don't think it was a flu. Got it from someone else, grrr.